People expect PG13 to be 1a/1b with Kawhi but he's just a pippen

[3ball]

So they expect 27/7/5 in the playoffs from PG, but he's only capable of 19/7/5 like Pippen

[FireDavidKahn]

Ok.

Maybe the team leader should speak up.

Oh wait, nvm

[8Ball]

So they expect 27/7/5 in the playoffs from PG, but he's only capable of 19/7/5 like Pippen

Paul George won 56 games in 2014 without Kawhi.

Not even Michael Jordan learned how to do that without Pippen. :roll:

[TheCorporation]

For 3 straight Finals, Pippen:

•Led the Bulls offense (assist leader and team playmaker)
•Averaged 21/9/7/2/1 on 46% as the defensive anchor
•Outscored opposing team's #2 option in 5 of 6 Finals
•Team's entire playoff defensive anchor (MJ never had a better DefRtg for ANY Championship playoff run)

[Smoke117]

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[highwhey]

For 3 straight Finals, Pippen:

•Led the Bulls offense (assist leader and team playmaker)
•Averaged 21/9/7/2/1 on 46% as the defensive anchor
•Outscored opposing team's #2 option in 5 of 6 Finals
•Team's entire playoff defensive anchor (MJ never had a better DefRtg for ANY Championship playoff run)
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[3ball]

Paul George won 56 games in 2014 without Kawhi.

Not even Michael Jordan learned how to do that without Pippen. :roll:

That shows how weak the 55 win argument is since everyone wins 55

[TheCorporation]

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We gottem spinnin now my guy :cheers:

:dancin

[SouBeachTalents]

That shows how weak the 55 win argument is since everyone wins 55
Except Jordan without Pippen :(

[FireDavidKahn]

Except Jordan without Pippen :(

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[highwhey]

Except Jordan without Pippen :(

:roll:

[highwhey]

We gottem spinnin now my guy :cheers:

:dancin

:cheers:

[3ball]

Except Jordan without Pippen :(

Jordan's 3 years without pippen (85-87') had the same lottery casts that lebron had from 04/05/19, except without the East all-star center

[8Ball]

Jordan can't win 55 games without Pippen. Jordan is SHACKLED to Pippen forever.

LeBron wins championships with any franchise he chooses.

[highwhey]

https://alccorting.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/shackles.jpg

[AirBonner]

That’s a wrap!

[Axe]

Op getting embarrassed once again

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi will be pissed this year and LeBron's old body will not be able to handle back 2 back rings. Don't worry, kawhi will take LeBron out. Finals will be clippers vs nets

[light]

So they expect 27/7/5 in the playoffs from PG, but he's only capable of 19/7/5 like Pippen

He is not even a Pippen.

Kawhi and Pippen would be devastating.

Like Jordan, Kawhi also needs someone who can be the vocal leader of his team. Pip can be the coach on the floor that Kawhi (and MJ) needs.

Pippen's value goes far beyond statistics because he was a player coach, so quantifying his impact would be like quantify Phil Jackson's impact + basketball statistics. So for Pip - as with a coach - you can look at the Bulls record as a testament to his leadership impact and then on top of that also consider his stats.

Paul George is obviously not a leader like Pippen.

[TheCorporation]

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Michael Shackledan

[Bronbron23]

So they expect 27/7/5 in the playoffs from PG, but he's only capable of 19/7/5 like Pippen

He don't defend anywhere near as good as pip.

[3ball]

He is not even a Pippen.

Kawhi and Pippen would be devastating.





Kawhi lost as a massive favorite to Jokic with PG13 getting 22/5/5 on 59% TS - that's peak Pippen stats

So how could he win with Pippen getting 15/8/4 on 34% in the 96' Finals? Or 16/7/5 on 40% like Pippen did in 4 ECF and 2 Finals?

[red1]

if pg played with lebron


3ball: "lebron teamed up with 1a alpha type- top-10 player in paul george"

[highwhey]

can someone photoshop the air jordan logo ont he shackled plz?

[8Ball]

Kawhi lost as a massive favorite to Jokic with PG13 getting 22/5/5 on 59% TS - that's peak Pippen stats

So how could he win with Pippen getting 15/8/4 on 34% in the 96' Finals? Or 16/7/5 on 40% like Pippen did in 4 ECF and 2 Finals?

Weak era competition.

2nd option for opposing team was a milkman.

[Smoke117]

if pg played with lebron


3ball: "lebron teamed up with 1a alpha type- top-10 player in paul george"

Pretty much.

[SouBeachTalents]

if pg played with lebron


3ball: "lebron teamed up with 1a alpha type- top-10 player in paul george"
How about if Pippen played with LeBron

3ball: Pippen was an MVP candidate and one of the greatest defenders of all time

[RRR3]

How about if Pippen played with LeBron

3ball: Pippen was an MVP candidate and one of the greatest defenders of all time
He legit has tried to act like Mo Williams and Big Z were stud second options :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

He legit has tried to act like Mo Williams and Big Z were stud second options :roll:
He also claimed Ingraham was one of the 10 best pure scorers of all time

[3ball]

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MJ achieved his first top 5 offense with less help than Lebron did


09' Mo Will... 17.2 PER... 2.3 BPM... 3.1 VORP... 0.165 WS/48
90' Pippen.... 16.3 PER... 1.8 BPM... 3.0 VORP... 0.087 WS/48

09' Mo Will... 17.8.. 3.4.. 4.1.. 59% ts... 115 ortg... 23.4 usage
90' Pippen.... 16.5.. 6.7.. 5.4.. 53% ts... 103 ortg... 21.0 usage


So MJ achieved a top 5 offense with less offensive help

Don't be surprised.. that's how weak pippen was offensively (Mo Williams level)




He legit has tried to act like Mo Williams and Big Z were stud second options :roll:


The fact that lebron's 27/7/7 missed the playoffs with the East all-star center in a weak East was the first sign that bron-ball is suboptimal and underachieves it's talent

btw, 09' Mo added 21 wins to the Cavs by turning their offense from garbage to top 5... he had higher PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, PPG and efficiency than 90' Pippen.

[3ball]

How about if Pippen played with LeBron

3ball: Pippen was an MVP candidate and one of the greatest defenders of all time

^^ not true because George wouldn't play well next to Lebron just like his hoop cousin Ingram or forwards like Jamison, Bosh.

So why don't you look at the stats before commenting?... They say that lebron lowers his teammates' assists (playmaking) and increases their assisted rate (play-finishing).. so he turns teammates into play-finishers, the exact thing PG hates about Doc.. it's the death of any aspiring wing like young pippen or PG13 (both wouldn't get to handle the rock next to lebron and wouldn't develop - see Ingram or Hughes)

So PG would be super-underwhelming next to lebron like every other notable teammate over 6'4" that lebron ever had, aside from AD who isn't a sidekick because he's top producer

[SATAN]

He also claimed Ingraham was one of the 10 best pure scorers of all time

:facepalm

[3ball]

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MJ achieved his first top 5 offense with less help than Lebron did


09' Mo Will... 17.2 PER... 2.3 BPM... 3.1 VORP... 0.165 WS/48
90' Pippen.... 16.3 PER... 1.8 BPM... 3.0 VORP... 0.087 WS/48

09' Mo Will... 17.8.. 3.4.. 4.1.. 59% ts... 115 ortg... 23.4 usage
90' Pippen.... 16.5.. 6.7.. 5.4.. 53% ts... 103 ortg... 21.0 usage


So MJ achieved a top 5 offense with less offensive help

Don't be surprised.. that's how weak pippen was offensively (Mo Williams level)



The fact that lebron's 27/7/7 missed the playoffs with the East all-star center in a weak East was the first sign that bron-ball is suboptimal and underachieves it's talent

btw, 09' Mo added 21 wins to the Cavs by turning their offense from garbage to top 5... he had higher PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, PPG and efficiency than 90' Pippen.




^^^ I always do this to RRR0... :oldlol:.. embarrass him

[GrayGoat]

Op completely bamboozled himself

[red1]

How about if Pippen played with LeBron

3ball: Pippen was an MVP candidate and one of the greatest defenders of all time

:roll:

[red1]

He also claimed Ingraham was one of the 10 best pure scorers of all time

he used to argue with me that the 2009 cavs were better and more talented than the late bulls championship casts :oldlol:


delonte west varejao mo williams and mike brown >> pippen rodman phil jackson kukoc etc :roll:

[red1]

^^^ I always do this to RRR0... :oldlol:.. embarrass him

that was a worthless trash-ass post from you, as per usual...

[3ball]

He used to argue with me that the 2009 cavs were better and more talented than the 89' and 90' bulls casts





Why did the 09' Cavs improve from 45 to 66 wins?


09' Mo Will... 17.2 PER... 2.3 BPM... 3.1 VORP... 0.165 WS/48
90' Pippen.... 16.3 PER... 1.8 BPM... 3.0 VORP... 0.087 WS/48

09' Mo Will... 17.8.. 3.4.. 4.1.. 59% ts... 115 ortg... 23.4 usage
90' Pippen.... 16.5.. 6.7.. 5.4.. 53% ts... 103 ortg... 21.0 usage








delonte west varejao mo williams and mike brown >> pippen rodman phil jackson kukoc etc :roll:




Varejao was all-defense, while 36-year old Rodman averaged 4/8 in the 97' playoffs, or 98' Rodman that wasn't even the playoff starter.

2010 Shaq was 12/7 with 1.5 blocks, so that destroys Longley's 8/5 with no blocks

Mo Williams and Jamison were all-stars that destroy Kukoc... plus 2-time all Zydrunas... stacked... And Delonte/Parker > kerr

[GrayGoat]

No Pip no chip

[3ball]

No Pip no chip

But pip < 2 stars or the playoff scoring champ (1st option of league)

[GrayGoat]

But pip < 2 stars or the playoff scoring champ (1st option of league)

Why did MJ lose in 03 with a better Pippen (stackhouse) ?

[Axe]

But pip < 2 stars or the playoff scoring champ (1st option of league)
Pip outplayed his opponents during their title runs

[red1]

Why did the 09' Cavs improve from 45 to 66 wins?


09' Mo Will... 17.2 PER... 2.3 BPM... 3.1 VORP... 0.165 WS/48
90' Pippen.... 16.3 PER... 1.8 BPM... 3.0 VORP... 0.087 WS/48

09' Mo Will... 17.8.. 3.4.. 4.1.. 59% ts... 115 ortg... 23.4 usage
90' Pippen.... 16.5.. 6.7.. 5.4.. 53% ts... 103 ortg... 21.0 usage







Varejao was all-defense, while 36-year old Rodman averaged 4/8 in the 97' playoffs, or 98' Rodman that wasn't even the playoff starter.

2010 Shaq was 12/7 with 1.5 blocks, so that destroys Longley's 8/5 with no blocks

Mo Williams and Jamison were all-stars that destroy Kukoc... plus 2-time all Zydrunas... stacked... And Delonte/Parker > kerr

Because 2009 lebron had a GOAT-tier regular season. They played great defense too. I watched those games you moron, and they were NOT comparable to the 55-win bulls supporting cast.


Pippen >>> mo williams.

[3ball]

88-90 Pippen < 08-10' Mo williams.



^^ fixed

09' Williams had higher PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, PPG, and efficiency than 90' Pippen and 89' Pippen.

Case closed





Because 2009 lebron had a GOAT-tier regular season. They played great defense too.





2009 Cavs...... #3 defense... Mo averaged 18 on 38%... lost to #4 SRS Magic (1-star team)
1989 Bulls.... #11 defense... Pip averaged 15 on 40%.... beat. #1 SRS Cavs (3 all-stars + 20/5/5 Harp)


Lebron's 28/8/7 won 66 games, while Jordan's 33/8/8 won 47 games in 89'.. lebron win 19 more games despite less personal production because his cast was better, aka the #3 defense and coach of the year, plus 3 players with all-star or all-defense experience.. whereas the 89' Bulls had zero accolades





Because 2009 lebron had a GOAT-tier regular season. They played great defense too.



Mo Williams was the only roster change from 08' to 09' (45 to 66 wins).

his all-star win contribution (0.165 ws/48) replaced Pavlovic (0.006) and Hughes (0.042) - that literally accounted for most of the 21-win increase

So Mo represented a 0.010 improvement in ws/48 at the guard position, which exceeded Lebron's 0.007 improvement in 09' over his 08' level.. So Mo's addition accounts for the win increase more than lebron.





I watched those games you moron, and they were NOT comparable to the 55-win bulls supporting cast.




The 60-win cast from 09' and 10' destroys the 94' cast and It isn't remotely close.. Mo, Jamison and Zydrunas are all better than Grant.. case closed.. 10' Shaq was about equal to Grant