Tim Duncan's 5 rings 3 FMVPs 2 MVPs > Wilt, Shaq, Bird, Kobe, Olajuwon, Oscar

[k0kakw0rld]

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Only MJ & Bron & Kareem got a better resume than him overall.

He is TOP 5 DEAD OR ALIVE.

He beat Shaq & Kobe
He beat LeBron Wade & Bosh
He beat KD, Westbrook & James in 2014

No one can say he did not beat anybody.
One of the greatest careers I have ever witnessed.

If you go by FMVPs (Bill Russell does not count)

MJ = 6
Bron = 4
Duncan, Magic, Shaq, = 3
Kareem, Wilt, Kobe, bird = 2

He can therefore not be ranked below guys like Shaq, Kobe, Bird, Hakeem, Oscar.
He was also a defensive genius. Stop playing with my GUY.

1. MJ
2. Bron
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3. Kareem (6 rings but only 2 FMVPs = Carried 4 times?) This man got 6 MVPs man wtf? (All time NBA leading scorer)
4. Duncan (longevity + 5 rings, 3 FMVPs, 2 regular season MVPs (back-2-back MVPs)
5. Magic (He is got 5 like Duncan and 3 FMVPs. However Duncan with his all star appearances and all time great defense gets the edge for me over both Magic and Bird.
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6. Bird (3 MVPs, 3 rings, 2 FMVPs)
7. Wilt (I had to find a way to put this monster somewhere. But he did not win enough)
7. Shaq (1 mvp, 4 rings, 3 fmvps)
8. Kobe (1 mvp, 5 rings, 2 fmvps)
9. Hakeem (1 mvp, 2 rings, 2 fmvps, 2x dpoy)
10. Russell (We get it he won a lot. But they weren't counting his awards back then, FYI!)

[Carbine]

Your ranking is based almost exclusively by MVP, Rings and FMVP. Which is fine by the way. If that's how yoy evaluate it.

Yet Bill is #10, even though without even factoring in FMVP he has 5 MVP awards and 11 Rings.

Thus your rankings are inconsistent by your own formula and overall pretty dumb.

[k0kakw0rld]

I clearly said (we get it) when it comes to Russell. They did not count anything in his era. So we can't put him there.

You came here to point one thing in order to discredit my post. Don't bring me points because different players, different teams etc...
However he got more accolades than at least 6 or 7 players in the official top 10 list. We get it, he was not flashy, he was not doing 360 dunks. He was just all about business and winning.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Yes he’s ahead of all the players you listed, I’d rank Duncan at #6 behind the top 5 players of all time: MJ, Kareem, Magic, Lebron and Russell.

[Carbine]

They counted 5 MVP and 11 Rings.

I'm not sure what your point is about they didn't count things back then. So that's a reason against him being a top five player ever? What kind of argument in that.

[red1]

shaq and kobe SLIGHT edge over duncan IMO. agreed thats its debatable.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

2005 was Manu's finals MVP. So he basically went the last 12 years of his career without a finals MVP.

[r0drig0lac]

Top5 atg

[Kiddlovesnets]

shaq and kobe SLIGHT edge over duncan IMO. agreed thats its debatable.

There’s absolutely no way Kobe is ahead of Duncan, Duncan is at least a tier above Kobe.

[Sulico]

It's amazing that someone values FMVP as much, or even more, than MVP.

In peoples minds being best player in the world for a whole 82 games season is not as good as being best player on your team for 5 games.

[Horatio33]

It's amazing that someone values FMVP as much, or even more, than MVP.

In peoples minds being best player in the world for a whole 82 games season is not as good as being best player on your team for 5 games.

To win FMVP means you are the elite of the elite, being the best player that wins the championship. Westbrook won MVP and got knocked out in the first round, like Dirk in 2007, Kobe 2006. Does that make what they achieved better than what a FMVP has achieved? To win an MVP you play 20 and 30 win teams multiple times. Does that mean you played better competition than a FMVP who plays 50 and 60 win teams to win the ultimate prize?

[TheCorporation]

My GOAT formula had TD ranked 4th all time.

He has done it all and for a long while too.

[TheCorporation]

It's amazing that someone values FMVP as much, or even more, than MVP.

In peoples minds being best player in the world for a whole 82 games season is not as good as being best player on your team for 5 games.

+1

I would easily say MVP is harder and more prestigious.

Cedric Maxwell would never win an MVP.

MVP = Best player among 30 teams for 82 games
FMVP = Best player among 2 teams for 4-7 games

[Gray GOAT]

Kawhi Leonard lost to Blake Griffin and a hobbled Chris Paul with a 38 y/o Duncan averaging 18/11/3 against 1st team all defense DeAndre Jordan. Kawhi Leonard scored 13 points (on 39% shooting) in a game 7 lost by 2 points. He also scored 12 points on 20% shooting in a close out game 6.

[KirbyPls]

I think Duncan is clearly top-5 and greater than Kobe, Shaq, Magic, Bird, etc.

Only MJ, Bron, KAJ have clear cases over him.

Wilt and Russell, as always, are difficult to rank.

[1987_Lakers]

To win FMVP means you are the elite of the elite, being the best player that wins the championship. Westbrook won MVP and got knocked out in the first round, like Dirk in 2007, Kobe 2006. Does that make what they achieved better than what a FMVP has achieved? To win an MVP you play 20 and 30 win teams multiple times. Does that mean you played better competition than a FMVP who plays 50 and 60 win teams to win the ultimate prize?

Andre Iguodala, Tony Parker, Paul Pierce, Chauncey Billups, Joe Dumars, James Worthy, Cedric Maxwell, & Jo Jo White. These are players who won FMVP, far from the elite of the elite, not even the best player on their own team, they just statistically had a better 4-7 game stretch than everyone on their team, an incredibly small sample size. I always thought FMVP should be swtiched to playoff MVP, that gives you a better idea of who was mostly responsible for the championship victory. The MVP is a much more valuable award than FMVP in my book, that is truly the elite of the elite.

[Horatio33]

Andre Iguodala, Tony Parker, Paul Pierce, Chauncey Billups, Joe Dumars, James Worthy, Cedric Maxwell, & Jo Jo White. These are players who won FMVP, far from the elite of the elite, not even the best player on their own team, they just statistically had a better 4-7 game stretch than everyone on their team, an incredibly small sample size. I always thought FMVP should be swtiched to playoff MVP, that gives you a better idea of who was mostly responsible for the championship victory. The MVP is a much more valuable award than FMVP in my book, that is truly the elite of the elite.

I agree with you on playoff MVP, that's a great idea. A more complete appraisal of a player who wins the award. He dominated four rounds.

[TheCorporation]

I think Duncan is clearly top-5 and greater than Kobe, Shaq, Magic, Bird, etc.

Only MJ, Bron, KAJ have clear cases over him.

Wilt and Russell, as always, are difficult to rank.

My GOAT rank formula agrees:

1. LBJ
2. MJ
3. KAJ
4. TD
5. Magic

[Axe]

Andre Iguodala, Tony Parker, Paul Pierce, Chauncey Billups, Joe Dumars, James Worthy, Cedric Maxwell, & Jo Jo White. These are players who won FMVP, far from the elite of the elite, not even the best player on their own team, they just statistically had a better 4-7 game stretch than everyone on their team, an incredibly small sample size. I always thought FMVP should be swtiched to playoff MVP, that gives you a better idea of who was mostly responsible for the championship victory. The MVP is a much more valuable award than FMVP in my book, that is truly the elite of the elite.
If the league made that the case, can they still nominate any player from losing teams tho? For example, an outstanding player who performed admirably from a team that lost in the conference finals? Or will it still be limited to players from teams that made the finals, regardless of the winner/loser? It's kinda confusing when one would think of it.

[mr4speed]

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Only MJ & Bron & Kareem got a better resume than him overall.

He is TOP 5 DEAD OR ALIVE.

He beat Shaq & Kobe
He beat LeBron Wade & Bosh
He beat KD, Westbrook & James in 2014

No one can say he did not beat anybody.
One of the greatest careers I have ever witnessed.

If you go by FMVPs (Bill Russell does not count)

MJ = 6
Bron = 4
Duncan, Magic, Shaq, = 3
Kareem, Wilt, Kobe, bird = 2

He can therefore not be ranked below guys like Shaq, Kobe, Bird, Hakeem, Oscar.
He was also a defensive genius. Stop playing with my GUY.

1. MJ
2. Bron
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3. Kareem (6 rings but only 2 FMVPs = Carried 4 times?) This man got 6 MVPs man wtf? (All time NBA leading scorer)
4. Duncan (longevity + 5 rings, 3 FMVPs, 2 regular season MVPs (back-2-back MVPs)
5. Magic (He is got 5 like Duncan and 3 FMVPs. However Duncan with his all star appearances and all time great defense gets the edge for me over both Magic and Bird.
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6. Bird (3 MVPs, 3 rings, 2 FMVPs)
7. Wilt (I had to find a way to put this monster somewhere. But he did not win enough)
7. Shaq (1 mvp, 4 rings, 3 fmvps)
8. Kobe (1 mvp, 5 rings, 2 fmvps)
9. Hakeem (1 mvp, 2 rings, 2 fmvps, 2x dpoy)
10. Russell (We get it he won a lot. But they weren't counting his awards back then, FYI!)

How can you say Kareem was carried 4 times? Maybe 3 times = 82, 87 and 88, but in 1980 Kareem was voted the FMVP after Magic's great game 6 but the voters were asked to change their votes so Magic would win the award because Kareem was not present. His stat line for the 5 games he played was 33.4 pts, 13.6 reb 3.2 assists and 4.6 blocks per game. Kareem is the reason LA won the other 3 games! Kareem should have 3 FMVP and Magic should have 2.