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3ball
12-09-2020, 02:28 AM
Wade, AD, Kyrie, Love
and 90' Pippen < 09' Mo... And 92' Reggie Lewis was a better 1st option in the playoffs across the board than 94' Pippen
Wade, AD, Kyrie, and Love are about top 50 and Pippen isn't even top 100 in most of those stats
Pippen is a Bosh/Love-caliber player based on PER/BPM/WS/VORP
scuzzy
12-09-2020, 03:05 AM
no pip no chip
SATAN
12-09-2020, 03:10 AM
The constant edits pretty much indicate what another poster has suggested regarding addict traits. It's kinda sad.
Sulico
12-09-2020, 03:25 AM
Wade, AD, Kyrie, Love
and 90' Pippen < 09' Mo... And 92' Reggie Lewis was a better 1st option in the playoffs across the board than 94' Pippen
Wade, AD, Kyrie, and Love are about top 50 and Pippen isn't even top 100 in most of those stats
Pippen is a Bosh/Love-caliber player based on PER/BPM/WS/VORP
Those are basic counting stats or slightly advanced metrics that only takes basics into account.
If you take more advanced metrics though you get different results.
RAPTOR stat for example puts pippen as 11th best player of the past 40 years. Ahead of Robinson, Barkley, Karl Malone, Olajuwon, Dirk, Shaq, Steph and Payton. Not to mention Wade, AD or scrubs (in comparison) like Kyrie and Love.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lebron-or-mj-raptor-picks-the-best-nba-players-of-the-past-40-years/
TheGoatest
12-09-2020, 04:13 AM
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light
12-09-2020, 05:30 AM
Look up Bill Russell's PER.
Wade, Kyrie, AD and Love didn't run the 90s Bulls offense and defense.
Scottie Pippen did.
You're having a hard time understanding that Jordan has no argument versus LeBron James without Scottie Pippen.
Without Scottie's leadership Jordan was a loser.
The Jordan vs LeBron debate is really a Jordan/Pipoen vs LeBron debate.
Kblaze8855
12-09-2020, 06:27 AM
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GrayGoat
12-09-2020, 11:52 AM
Next op will be saying the water boy was better than Pippen :kobe:
Stanley Kobrick
12-09-2020, 12:00 PM
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Hey Yo
12-09-2020, 12:19 PM
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3ball
12-09-2020, 02:20 PM
RAPTOR puts pippen as 11th best player of the past 40 years. Ahead of Robinson, Barkley, Karl Malone, Olajuwon, Dirk, Shaq, Steph and Payton. Not to mention Wade, AD or scrubs (in comparison) like Kyrie and Love.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lebron-or-mj-raptor-picks-the-best-nba-players-of-the-past-40-years/
Then Raptor is apparently shit and we're back to the OP
GrayGoat
12-09-2020, 02:26 PM
Then Raptor is apparently shit and we're back to the OP
He’s a top 25 player that’s for sure
TheGoatest
12-09-2020, 02:27 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkPBP4qXYAApGvP?format=jpg&name=medium
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cywg7wzfIBs/SGz4LDS8zMI/AAAAAAAAGd4/nagsdJb3_X0/s320/ether.jpg
3ball
12-09-2020, 02:32 PM
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Lebron hasn't been all defense in 7 years, so he isn't a good defender - those defensive stats are based on defensive rebounds and mean nothing
SouBeachTalents
12-09-2020, 02:35 PM
Lebron hasn't been all defense in 7 years, so he isn't a good defender - those defensive stats are based on defensive rebounds and mean nothing
Pippen was All-Defensive First Team 8 years in a row, so he was an ATG defender
Round Mound
12-09-2020, 02:41 PM
Lebron had more offensive help but Jordan had more defensive help.
trada7029
12-09-2020, 02:55 PM
Lebron had more offensive help but Jordan had more defensive help.
False
89' Bulls had the #11 defense
07' and 09' Cavs had #3 and #5 defense
Lebron always had better rim protection, more athletic guards, and more good rebounders
2009 Cavs...... #3 defense... 18 on 38% from Mo.... lost to #4 SRS Magic (2 all-stars)
1989 Bulls.... #11 defense... 15 on 40% from Pip.... beat #1 SRS Cavs (3 all-star + 20/5/5 Harp)
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