ESPN posts its top 100 for this coming season. You will experience mild disgust

[Kblaze8855]

100. Joe Harris (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2528794/joe-harris)

99. Marcus Morris Sr (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6462/marcus-morris-sr).

98. Otto Porter Jr (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2594922/otto-porter-jr).

97. Derrick White (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3078576/derrick-white)

96. Marc Gasol (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3206/marc-gasol)

95. LaMarcus Aldridge (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2983/lamarcus-aldridge)

94. Jarrett Allen (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4066328/jarrett-allen)

93. Ricky Rubio (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4011/ricky-rubio)

92. Mitchell Robinson (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4351852/mitchell-robinson)

91. Seth Curry (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2326307/seth-curry)

90. Patrick Beverley (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3964/patrick-beverley)

89. Joe Ingles (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2968436/joe-ingles)

88. Jerami Grant (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2991070/jerami-grant)

87. Buddy Hield (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2990984/buddy-hield)

86. Brook Lopez (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3448/brook-lopez)

85. Danilo Gallinari (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3428/danilo-gallinari)

84. John Collins (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3908845/john-collins)

83. Dejounte Murray (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3907497/dejounte-murray)

82. DeMar DeRozan (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3978/demar-derozan)
81. John Wall (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4237/john-wall)

80. Josh Richardson (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2581190/josh-richardson)

79. Dennis Schroder (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3032979/dennis-schroder)

78. Aaron Gordon (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3064290/aaron-gordon)

77. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2581018/kentavious-caldwell-pope)

76. Montrezl Harrell (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2991055/montrezl-harrell)

75. Duncan Robinson (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3157465/duncan-robinson)

74. Myles Turner (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3133628/myles-turner)

73. Bojan Bogdanovic (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3593/bojan-bogdanovic)

72. P.J. Tucker (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3033/pj-tucker)
71. Mike Conley (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3195/mike-conley)

70. Steven Adams (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2991235/steven-adams)

69. D'Angelo Russell (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3136776/d'angelo-russell)

68. OG Anunoby (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3934719/og-anunoby)

67. Eric Bledsoe (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4238/eric-bledsoe)

66. Serge Ibaka (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3439/serge-ibaka)

65. Blake Griffin (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3989/blake-griffin)

64. Kevin Love (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3449/kevin-love)

63. TJ Warren (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2982334/tj-warren)

62. Bogdan Bogdanovic (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3037789/bogdan-bogdanovic)

61. Davis Bertans (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6426/davis-bertans)

• No. 60: Robert Covington
• No. 59: Tyler Herro
• No. 58: Goran Dragic
• No. 57: Tobias Harris
• No. 56: Zach LaVine
• No. 55: Christian Wood
• No. 54: Lonzo Ball
• No. 53: Jusuf Nurkic
• No. 53: Deandre Ayton
• No. 51: Michael Porter Jr.
50. Domantas Sabonis
49. Spencer Dinwiddie
48. Kemba Walker
47. Victor Oladipo
46. Caris Levert
45. Gordon Hayward
44. Draymond Green
43. Jaren Jackson Jr.
42.Nikola Vucevic
41.Kristaps Porzingis
40. Fred Vanvleet
39.Malcolm Brogdon
38.Shai Gilgeous Alexander
37. Marcus Smart
36. Russell Westbrook
35. Khris Middleton
34. De'Aaron Fox
33.Jrue Holiday
32. Jaylen Brown
31. Ja Morant
30.Kyle Lowry
29. Trae Young
28.Brandon Ingram
27. CJ McCollum
26. Rudy Gobert
25. Kyrie Irving
24. Pascal Siakam
23.Karl-Anthony Towns
22. Bradley Beal
21. Jamal Murray
20. Paul George
19. Zion Williamson
18. Donovan Mitchell
17. Devin Booker
16. Ben Simmons
15. Chris Paul
14. Joel Embiid
13. Bam Adebayo
12. Jimmy Butler
11. Jayson Tatum



1. LeBron James (LAL)
2. Anthony Davis (LAL)
3. Giannis Antetokounmpo (MIL)
4. Luka Doncic (DAL)
5. Kawhi Leonard (LAC)
6. Kevin Durant (BKN)
7. Damian Lillard (POR)
8. Steph Curry (GSW)
9. James Harden (HOU)
10. Nikola Jokic (DEN)

[Kblaze8855]

Having to piece it together because its behind a pay wall and still being released. I'll update it as I get it all.

[ArbitraryWater]

Westbrook, 36?



AHAHAHAH this is insane.


People are retarded

[GrayGoat]

Booker empty scoring behind Tatum jeje wooo

[LAmbruh]

#61 Davis Bertans
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#64 Kevin Love


OUCHHHH :roll::roll:

[Bankaii]

Why are people acting like Westbrook is a scrub all of a sudden?
He just had his best year as a point guard last year in OKC.
The Rockets/Harden were the worst fit imaginable for him, and he still looked solid.

[GrayGoat]

Westbrook could be a god if he came off the bench. But obviously he wouldn’t

[L.Kizzle]

DeMar DeRozan is #82. Just putting that out there.
List is crazy.
But ESPN also ranked Clyde Drexler at #57 behind Vince Carter.

[Stephonit]

I take it ESPN believes all these guys are worth at least Joe Harris's 18.75 million per year.

Who is the best value then? Tyler Herro?

[highwhey]

jaren jackson is better than deandre ayton?

tatum is better than jimmy?

what a joke.

they got booker right though. finally.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Zion hasn't proven anything to already be top 20.

Bam is too close to Butler as I think Butler is the clear cut best player on that team.

Besides that, decent list so far.

[tpols]

Westbrook, 36?



AHAHAHAH this is insane.


People are retarded

Right? He should be lower.

[red1]

DeMar DeRozan is #82. Just putting that out there.
List is crazy.
But ESPN also ranked Clyde Drexler at #57 behind Vince Carter.

derozan at 82 is just crazy :roll:

[Manny98]

Trashcal ahead of Kyrie :roll::roll::roll:

[red1]

Trashcal ahead of Kyrie :roll::roll::roll:

kyrie is a bitch


https://media.tenor.com/images/394e9dba5ea2a1dd7f6056564a459ca8/tenor.gif

[Manny98]

kyrie is a bitch


https://media.tenor.com/images/394e9dba5ea2a1dd7f6056564a459ca8/tenor.gif

Kyrie is a arrogant prick but he's still 50x the player than that choking overpaid trashcan will ever be

[Mask the Embiid]

I love to mock and laugh at DeFrozen as much as the next man but 82....come on thats just laughable :oldlol:

on what planet is KCP better than aldridge,lopez, and defrozan?

Jimmy butler leads his team to the Finals and knocks out tatum.Yet he's ranked higher :oldlol:

Zion better than beal :oldlol:
jaylen brown better than westbrook :oldlol:
OG annonby who sits and hides in the corner all game doing absolutely nothing on offense besides being bird-fed spot up 3's and dunker spot hand off dunks is almost 20 spots higher than john wall who is the 2nd best pure pg in the league....fk up out of here BSPN



whole list was made to get attention with shock

https://media3.giphy.com/media/K0AnEB2t2EM/200.gif

[SATAN]

"Look, we're out of things to talk about again. Slap together another controversial list and debate who's the GOAT again tomorrow." - ESPN

[red1]

Kyrie is a arrogant prick but he's still 50x the player than that choking overpaid trashcan will ever be

No shit.


Kyrie is still a bitch.

[Xiao Yao You]

25 players in the league that carry their team like Gobert including Mitchell! :roll:

[Tobio-Star]

Zion hasn't proven anything to already be top 20.

Bam is too close to Butler as I think Butler is the clear cut best player on that team.

Besides that, decent list so far.

Decent list? They literally put 36 yrs old Gasol over Marcus Morris :lol

[Axe]

Ja morant @31?:wtf:

[Xiao Yao You]

Ja morant @31?:wtf:

unlike Mitchell he's actually carried his team

[highwhey]

Ja morant @31?:wtf:

i have no problem with that, he's pretty good.

[Xiao Yao You]

i have no problem with that, he's pretty good.

Also carried a team unlike Booker ever has

[Smoke117]

Never ceases to amaze how overrated Marcus Smart gets.

[highwhey]

Also carried a team unlike Booker ever has

you ok buddy? Booker is ranked perfectly at 17...where's rudy...oh my nvm

:roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

you ok buddy? Booker is ranked perfectly at 17...where's rudy...oh my nvm

:roll:

horrible list for sure

[Smoke117]

you ok buddy? Booker is ranked perfectly at 17...where's rudy...oh my nvm

:roll:

Well, he's not wrong. Rudy Gobert game in game out is much more impactful than Mitchell or Booker. You can say whatever you want about the playoffs, but you actually have to get there first. You are more likely to do that with Gobert as opposed to the other two.

[Xiao Yao You]

Well, he's not wrong. Rudy Gobert game in game out is much more impactful than Mitchell or Booker. You can say whatever you want about the playoffs, but you actually have to get there. You are more likely to do that with Gobert as opposed to the other two.

only a few guys on the list you can argue over him. Putting up big numbers on bad teams or playing 2nd fiddle shouldn't be over a guy that has carried his team at both ends for 6 years

[DoctorP]

Looking forward to the tmz top 50 next

[FireDavidKahn]

Herro over D'Angelo Russell????

:roll:

[highwhey]

Well, he's not wrong. Rudy Gobert game in game out is much more impactful than Mitchell or Booker. You can say whatever you want about the playoffs, but you actually have to get there first. You are more likely to do that with Gobert as opposed to the other two.

i know about gobert's impact, and yes, he is incorrectly ranked, i'm taking a dig at rudy's #1 fan

[AlternativeAcc.]

You literally cant win with westbrick so 36 seems a bit high, but props to them for not putting him top 30. Espn gained some credibility for that.

[bobopenguin]

wow, porzingis 41.

[Kblaze8855]

only a few guys on the list you can argue over him. Putting up big numbers on bad teams or playing 2nd fiddle shouldn't be over a guy that has carried his team at both ends for 6 years


Im not sure anyone in history has been credit with carrying an offense because he sets so many screens. Sure...its a great thing to have.....but its hard to call it a carry. He gets like 8 shots a game and shoots 70% Deandre Jordan style because he doesnt have the skill to be played through. He has more turnovers than assists so its not like he makes up a lack of scoring ability by making plays for others....again...outside picks. I remember reading he set a few hundred more picks one year than anyone else in the NBA. No doubt useful.....but calling it a carry is tough. Hes obviously never gonna do anything like Mitchell dropping 51 in a 2 point playoff win. Same game Gobert had 17 and shot 88%....like he often does....but its hard to say hes the "carry" side of that relationship on offense. In a normal game its not such a drastic difference obviously but....the idea is the same.

Nobody would credit the Davis boys for carrying Reggie Miller when they set him 45 screens for 30 points. In todays more screen based game its something to consider and value....it just isnt the same thing as being able to score yourself or create a shot. Hes not leading the NBA in dunks every year because of his ability to create them. Someone else has to do it for the most part. Theres something to be said for positioning, finding the openings to roll, getting putbacks and all that. But its not....a carry.

You could say he carries them on defense and is a key cog in the offense. That would be fair. The offense works better with him. But he doesnt have it in him to put the ball in the basket at a rate to call it a carry. A solid pick is great. I appreciate them. But the ball has to go in the basket too. And he simply cant be trusted to put it there often enough to say he carries that side of the ball more than someone who can literally score about half your points in a tight playoff game many of them on plays that dont require much outside assistance.

[Xiao Yao You]

Im not sure anyone in history has been credit with carrying an offense because he sets so many screens. Sure...its a great thing to have.....but its hard to call it a carry. He gets like 8 shots a game and shoots 70% Deandre Jordan style because he doesnt have the skill to be played through. He has more turnovers than assists so its not like he makes up a lack of scoring ability by making plays for others....again...outside picks. I remember reading he set a few hundred more picks one year than anyone else in the NBA. No doubt useful.....but calling it a carry is tough. Hes obviously never gonna do anything like Mitchell dropping 51 in a 2 point playoff win. Same game Gobert had 17 and shot 88%....like he often does....but its hard to say hes the "carry" side of that relationship on offense. In a normal game its not such a drastic difference obviously but....the idea is the same.

Nobody would credit the Davis boys for carrying Reggie Miller when they set him 45 screens for 30 points. In todays more screen based game its something to consider and value....it just isnt the same thing as being able to score yourself or create a shot. Hes not leading the NBA in dunks every year because of his ability to create them. Someone else has to do it for the most part. Theres something to be said for positioning, finding the openings to roll, getting putbacks and all that. But its not....a carry.

You could say he carries them on defense and is a key cog in the offense. That would be fair. The offense works better with him. But he doesnt have it in him to put the ball in the basket at a rate to call it a carry. A solid pick is great. I appreciate them. But the ball has to go in the basket too. And he simply cant be trusted to put it there often enough to say he carries that side of the ball more than someone who can literally score about half your points in a tight playoff game many of them on plays that dont require much outside assistance.

The half court offense revolves around him. Without his screens, vertical spacing and offensive rebounding the rest of it doesn't work and you can certainly argue as to how well it works now with Mitchell's high usage/low efficiency. They have been a horrible team without him. They were tanking when he emerged and the 3 times he missed a month they were horrible. None of that was with Mitchell but nothing about Mitchell's game suggests they'd be good without Rudy

[Kblaze8855]

A team that doesnt accomplish anything accomplishing less without you isnt really worth talking about. The Rockets went like 2-23 without Steve Francis one year when they were otherwise solid. I dont know that being horrible without him means much in an evaluation of him. Just a bad team that needs all its pieces to be respectable....but being halfway respectable is nothing to hang your hat on. None of which considers that even if they are bad without him its as much or more because they miss his defense which is obviously outstanding.

As an offensive player hes just not gonna be credited with any kinda carry when hes taking 7 shots and someone created 6 of them for him....while he also has 2 assists and 3 turnovers. As I said.....when Dale Davis sets Reggie 26 good screens a game does that mean hes the centerpiece of the offense?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIYl2PnvknQ



Reggie got like 7 screen assists that that game on 9 made shots. About 4 of them from Dale Davis who also got him looks on missed shots and for some of those FTs(the full game is availiable but im sure you dont care that much)..

While its fair to acknowledge his contribution to say he carried the Pacers with his 6 points would be a stretch.....which is why nobody ever said it.

You can find Pacer games Dale Davis sets like 30 points worth of picks. Doesnt make him more important than the guy who has to make the shots.

A team plays together....they are all responsible to some degree for the points they score. But the guy standing there while a guard uses him like a cone isnt gonna get the same credit as the one making the resulting pullup.

An awful lot of people without much talent wish it werent the case but really....Rick Mahorn will never get the credit no matter how solid his picks might have been.

The sole exception in history is probably Wes Unseld and unlike Gobert...his teams accomplished things.

If Rudy makes like 4 finals and wins a ring and finals MVP setting screens we might have a different discussion. Losing first round series doesnt tend to help your case for having monumental both ends impact on games. Not like its a KG or Tmac situation where its a one man army without help. When it comes down to it...he often is the help. Hes is not capable of the kinda performances Mitchell put on recently. And thats fine. Its not his job. But theres a reason its not his job to carry games that way. Hes not good enough on that end to do it.

He plays his role and does it well. But it is what it is. Hes not the guy youre looking to for 57 points in a playoff game or 50 in another one....and like 48 in another. He cant do that for you. He can contribute...but he cant carry. Doesnt mean he cant be important. His job on the other end can be just as important.

[Rosewood]

The top 10 is up. Do you have a
It? Great job

[Kblaze8855]

1. LeBron James (LAL)
2. Anthony Davis (LAL)
3. Giannis Antetokounmpo (MIL)
4. Luka Doncic (DAL)
5. Kawhi Leonard (LAC)
6. Kevin Durant (BKN)
7. Damian Lillard (POR)
8. Steph Curry (GSW)
9. James Harden (HOU)
10. Nikola Jokic (DEN)

[Rosewood]

Thank you

[Kblaze8855]

I’m guessing Harden and Steph fans feeling disrespected.

[bluechox2]

looks like some people in lakers org gave major head

[Stephonit]

I’m guessing Harden and Steph fans feeling disrespected.

It's ESPN. Pretty much the same people who vote for the FMVP. It's expected they make a mockery of themselves.

The Warriors at their peak were never suggested as having the two best players in basketball as this list claims the Lakers do although that is a far more credible assertion than the one made on this list. It should be mind blowing to anyone who takes their takes seriously but I guess this is confirmation even ESPN knows no one does.


Going by this list the Lakers have the #1, 2, 76, 77, 79, and 96 best players in the league. They better win and win decisively. No excuses if they don't.

[FireDavidKahn]

looks like some people in lakers org gave major head

Why?>

LeBron lead a team whose 3rd best player was KCP to an absolutely dominating run through the play offs. No team was in the same league as the Lakers and I should remind you that KCP was the 3rd best player:roll:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Top 10 is absolute dog shit. No way Anthony Davis is above Kawhi, Curry, Durant.

Also why is Luka that damn high when he plays no defense and was just outplayed and eliminated by Kawhi.

[bluechox2]

can wait when lebron leave and the massive dick sucking stops

[FireDavidKahn]

When LeBron retires the league will enter the dark ages.

[Xiao Yao You]

Top 10 is absolute dog shit. No way Anthony Davis is above Kawhi, Curry, Durant.

Also why is Luka that damn high when he plays no defense and was just outplayed and eliminated by Kawhi.

defense and winning obviously has little to do with this list

[Smoke117]

defense and winning obviously has little to do with this list

Luka Doncic has a massive offensive impact. He led the league in OPIPM this season. This isn't Mitchell and to a lesser extent Booker (he's 13th in OPIPM) we're talking about here. He's also less of a liability than them both of defensively.

[Xiao Yao You]

Luka Doncic has a massive offensive impact. He led the league in OPIPM this season. This isn't Mitchell and to a lesser extent Booker (he's 13th in OPIPM) we're talking about here. He's also less of a liability than them both of defensively.

obviously he's a better offensive player than two guys who are nothing but high usage/low efficiency throwbacks

[RankineRecords]

https://youtu.be/v8yfSzwYCrM

[imdaman99]

Can you imagine if a 36th ranked player teams up with a 22nd ranked player and gets that team to the playoffs? :lebronamazed:

[Smoke117]

obviously he's a better offensive player than two guys who are nothing but high usage/low efficiency throwbacks

Uh...Booker had the highest ts% of all three at 62, so he’s anything but inefficient. Really shouldn't be grouping Booker and Mitchell together. Booker is clearly better. The difference is he hasn't had the luxury of playing with Rudy Gobert.

[bizil]

List is a JOKE! Westbrook at 36 is among the worst rankings I've EVER SEEN! Should easily be in the top 10-15 somewhere. Style of play and RESULTS are two different things. I get many aren't a fan of his style of play. Only three players in the league are walking triple double type guys on the perimeter who can ALSO get you over 20 PPG. That's Bron, Russ, and Luka. With Russ having done it THREE TIMES for a season!!! Plus he's a former league MVP still in the prime of his career. Unless he wins a ring, he's gonna end up one of the most underrated legends of all time!

[Axe]

Top 10 is absolute dog shit. No way Anthony Davis is above Kawhi, Curry, Durant.

Also why is Luka that damn high when he plays no defense and was just outplayed and eliminated by Kawhi.
Insecurity is reeking from you atm

[ArbitraryWater]

Dame better than Steph and Harden? Lolol

AD 2nd best in the world?

Lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Russ at 36 might be the most disrespectful and worst ranking ive ever seen of a major sporting outlet

[Smoke117]

Dame better than Steph and Harden? Lolol

AD 2nd best in the world?

Lol

I don't see any problem with putting Dame over Steph going into this season when Curry was basically out the entire last season.

[bizil]

Russ at 36 might be the most disrespectful and worst ranking ive ever seen of a major sporting outlet

ABSOLUTELY! And that's saying A LOT because ESPN has had some piss poor rankings. On a peak-prime level, he's a top 5 caliber PG of all time. GOAT status wise,I think he's done enough to be in the top 10 GOAT PG's. And he's still STRONG in the prime of his career. And he's the most athletic PG of all time, one of the rare PG's to win an MVP, and is THE KING of the triple double in terms of ACTUAL SEASONS getting a triple double. He's anywhere from 21-26 spots TOO LOW!

[dankok8]

ABSOLUTELY! And that's saying A LOT because ESPN has had some piss poor rankings. On a peak-prime level, he's a top 5 caliber PG of all time. GOAT status wise,I think he's done enough to be in the top 10 GOAT PG's. And he's still STRONG in the prime of his career. And he's the most athletic PG of all time, one of the rare PG's to win an MVP, and is THE KING of the triple double in terms of ACTUAL SEASONS getting a triple double. He's anywhere from 21-26 spots TOO LOW!

I don't like Russ at all. I respect his drive and determination but there is more than 10 PG's all time I'd rather have on a good team than Westbrook. He doesn't help teams win titles. His decision making is suspect and that's a fatal flaw for a PG. The talent is there but the intangibles really aren't.

[Xiao Yao You]

I don't like Russ at all. I respect his drive and determination but there is more than 10 PG's all time I'd rather have on a good team than Westbrook. He doesn't help teams win titles. His decision making is suspect and that's a fatal flaw for a PG. The talent is there but the intangibles really aren't.

yep you can have him

[imdaman99]

Russ at 36 might be the most disrespectful and worst ranking ive ever seen of a major sporting outlet

I don't even get bothered by it any more. Half of NBA fans like him, half them hate him and everything about his style of play. It is what it is. But don't worry, I'm sure ESPN will broadcast plenty of Wizards games for some reason. Must be because they want Beal to get noticed :lol

[k0kakw0rld]

Lonzo Ball can't be better than Zach LaVine. ESPN you are out of your damn mind.

[tanibanana]

Awful... extremely awful. It seems they intended it, so people will discuss how awful the list is. Names are thrown randomly.