New stimulus news

[DoctorP]

The establishment is ready to drop a new stimulus but instead of giving money to fund a revolutionary coup, they are going to provide money to small businesses and expand the emergency unemployment funds to freelancers and the gig economy sector.

They are doing it smart. Gotta give it to em.

[diamenz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeOAfPHI_qM&t

https://mobile.twitter.com/byHeatherLong/status/1333997904466485248

[Brujesino]

ps5 vouchers would be better

Im in desperate need of a next gen stimulus bundle.

[Stanley Kobrick]

this is good news for the welfarefan, he can pay off 10 months rent with another $1200. maybe even have some left over to get pegs for his Huffy mountain bike

[DoctorP]

Direct payments may not happen at all.

No gun or play station voucher

Moneys going to the workforce

[DoctorP]

They don't want to fund their own destruction by igniting anarchists

[Cleverness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeOAfPHI_qM&t

https://mobile.twitter.com/byHeatherLong/status/1333997904466485248

:cheers:

like i said, if we spending trillions, might as well give it directly to the people. my proposed bill cost the same as house democrats, but gives $16,746 to every American 18+ years old.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?482239-Better-Stimulus-Package-House-Democrats-or-Cleverness

[Axe]

this is good news for the welfarefan, he can pay off 10 months rent with another $1200. maybe even have some left over to get pegs for his Huffy mountain bike
He'll also use the fund to stack packs of cigarettes inside his shoebox and to sustain his pay-per-view broadband as well so he can start next year very lively. Wow what a lovely present for him in the upcoming holidays.

[KennyPowers]

This is bullshit! I was planning on buying a pair of rare Jordan's with that money. I'm just gonna steal em. I want em. The government is asshole. I expect Biden to fix this. If he doesn't give me my motherf*cking shoe money, I'ma be pissed. Bout to bust the Ronald McDonald House up!

[FourthTenor]

The establishment is ready to drop a new stimulus but instead of giving money to fund a revolutionary coup, they are going to provide money to small businesses and expand the emergency unemployment funds to freelancers and the gig economy sector.

They are doing it smart. Gotta give it to em.


:lol

That'll help I'm sure.

Small business is definitely the future.

[Stanley Kobrick]

He'll also use the fund to stack packs of cigarettes inside his shoebox and to sustain his pay-per-view broadband as well so he can start next year very lively. Wow what a lovely present for him in the upcoming holidays.
:cheers:

[Jasper]

This is bullshit! I was planning on buying a pair of rare Jordan's with that money. I'm just gonna steal em. I want em. The government is asshole. I expect Biden to fix this. If he doesn't give me my motherf*cking shoe money, I'ma be pissed. Bout to bust the Ronald McDonald House up!

nicy

[FourthTenor]

Also I love how Congress is pretending to give a shit about any of this.

Bernie Sanders declaring on the senate floor "We must give the people more!"

Mitch McConnell insisting to the press "It's too much spending!"


Neither could possibly give any less of a shit if the government sends out $3,000 checks to everyone or $0 checks. Sanders doesnt care about the plebs and McConnell doesn't care about the debt. Their attempts to feign any sort of 'principles' are downright comical at this point.

[FKAri]

Ya it all sounds good on paper but the reality is corporations lobby to keep enough loop holes in these things for corporate lawyers to take advantage while the little guy gets screwed. Not to mention the rapidly changing guidelines for safety which are next to impossible for small businesses to keep up with.


:cheers:

like i said, if we spending trillions, might as well give it directly to the people. my proposed bill cost the same as house democrats, but gives $16,746 to every American 18+ years old.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?482239-Better-Stimulus-Package-House-Democrats-or-Cleverness

There's a lot of issues with your "bill" but I'll take it you were being tongue in cheek.

[Cleverness]

Ya it all sounds good on paper but the reality is corporations lobby to keep enough loop holes in these things for corporate lawyers to take advantage while the little guy gets screwed. Not to mention the rapidly changing guidelines for safety which are next to impossible for small businesses to keep up with.

There's a lot of issues with your "bill" but I'll take it you were being tongue in cheek.

Which stimulus would be better: mine or house democrats?

[DoctorP]

:cheers:

like i said, if we spending trillions, might as well give it directly to the people. my proposed bill cost the same as house democrats, but gives $16,746 to every American 18+ years old.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?482239-Better-Stimulus-Package-House-Democrats-or-Cleverness

Heheh at this point giving the money to the people is like giving your alcoholic relative free access to the booze box

I kno the government is a shit show but at least they are making arter moves to protect their asses

[Nanners]

Which stimulus would be better: mine or house democrats?

Your stimulus is stimulating me...

[FKAri]

Which stimulus would be better: mine or house democrats?

The jist of your idea is better. But to put it pedantically, it's a legal disaster. So to fix it you would need to add a hundred stipulations. Enter bureaucracy. Then the debating over every little detail. Then negotiating it until it's an abomination and you've basically turned it into any other govt bill.

[KennyPowers]

This thread makes me feel like I'm owed $16,000. Anybody up for a peaceful protest? I can set up some pallets of bricks around the downtown area in a city workers vest. We demand our 16 thousand dollars or we show the local businesses love by offering them some of our free 'peace bricks'. Seriously, this is complete bullshit that they aren't giving us $16,000. I hate our government, Biden is an asshole.

[DoctorP]

Rejoice!
The plebs will get their 600 ps4 voucher!

Congrats

[DoctorP]

I mean ps5

[scuzzy]

I don't even qualify for the stimulus but holy shit $600 is embarrassing for people in poverty.


Even in Ohio that's barely 1mo rent in a studio


But at least peeps can cop that PS5

[KennyPowers]

600?!?

I was told 16,000!!!


F*** the government! Azzhole motherf***ers!

[diamenz]

I don't even qualify for the stimulus but holy shit $600 is embarrassing for people in poverty.


Even in Ohio that's barely 1mo rent in a studio


But at least peeps can cop that PS5

:lol

meanwhile in other first world countries, governments are paying 70%-100% of people's wages during lockdown.

us gov:

"shut down your business"!

"operate at 25% capacity"!

people:

"okay, i'll need relief money if i can't work."

"ya, me too. i got laid off and haven't recieved my unemployment check yet that i applied for three months ago".

gov: "bye"

we da bess, doe.

[Cleverness]

March/April: $6,000 billion (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/15/coronavirus-economy-6-trillion/)
$269 billion as "$1200" checks to some Americans
(https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2020/09/how-many-coronavirus-stimulus-checks-have-been-sent-out-so-far)


December stimulus: $900 billion
~$150 billion going out directly as "$600 checks" to some Americans (assuming same formula)


https://a9p9n2x2.stackpathcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2018/07/Bitconnect-Carlos-Matos-Thats-a-Scam-7-28-18.gif





The jist of your idea is better. But to put it pedantically, it's a legal disaster. So to fix it you would need to add a hundred stipulations. Enter bureaucracy. Then the debating over every little detail. Then negotiating it until it's an abomination and you've basically turned it into any other govt bill.

"You would need to add a hundred stipulations" nah, if we can be in a natl emergency for 10 months for a virus that hospitalizes at a rate less than flu & median age of death above average life expectancy, then I'm telling mnuchin to start sending something like $2000 checks to Americans... every month.. for 12 months.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Nothing for Chewing.

[scuzzy]

$600 stimulus checks for adults, plus an extra $600 per child.
$300 weekly federal unemployment insurance for 11 weeks.
$284 billion in extra small business aid through the Paycheck Protection Program.
$82 billion in funds for schools and universities.
$25 billion in emergency rental assistance along with an extension of the eviction moratorium.
$13 billion in funds for the Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program.
$10 billion to aid childcare providers and keep their doors open.


500 page PDF (https://www.cassidy.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/BAI20965.pdf)

[brownmamba00]

Wow 600 bucks can you even pay the rent with that

[DoctorP]

The junkies are already calling their dealers with excitement and promises of payback

"I'm good for it, yo"

[diamenz]

u can thank bernie sanders and josh hawley for your $600. they were pushing for $1,200. trump wanted to push for $2,000 but was called off by wh aides in fear of tanking the deal.

we're already being shit on by the rest of the developed world over such measly relief, or rather for some 'survival' checks:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/we-are-the-shame-and-laughingstock-of-the-world-the-600-stimulus-check-isnt-going-over-very-well-11608520868

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpuNm6zVEAAGqVy.jpg

btw, adult dependents aka man-babies still living with their parents also qualify for checks this time, so insidehoops rejoice.

[FourthTenor]

u can thank bernie sanders and josh hawley for your $600. they were pushing for $1,200. trump wanted to push for $2,000 but was called off by wh aides in fear of tanking the deal.

we're already being shit on by the rest of the developed world over such measly relief, or rather for some 'survival' checks:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/we-are-the-shame-and-laughingstock-of-the-world-the-600-stimulus-check-isnt-going-over-very-well-11608520868

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpuNm6zVEAAGqVy.jpg

btw, adult dependents aka man-babies still living with their parents also qualify for checks this time, so insidehoops rejoice.


Lol.

Contrived theater.

If you believe Bernie bullied Pelosi and McConnell and Schumer into giving Americans money... just lol.

Those people answer to bankers and financial insiders behind the scenes. Thats who decided on 600 dollars, and it was going to be the amount all along. Letting Bernie and Hawley make impassioned populist speeches and then acting like it convinced them is part of the show. Part of the illusion to make people think there are reps in Congress who really care about them :roll:

It’s a flimsy disguise of democracy for a government that is now entirely authoritarian.

[diamenz]

Lol.

Contrived theater.

If you believe Bernie bullied Pelosi and McConnell and Schumer into giving Americans money... just lol.

Those people answer to bankers and financial insiders behind the scenes. Thats who decided on 600 dollars, and it was going to be the amount all along. Letting Bernie and Hawley make impassioned populist speeches and then acting like it convinced them is part of the show. Part of the illusion to make people think there are reps in Congress who really care about them :roll:

It’s a flimsy disguise of democracy for a government that is now entirely authoritarian.

ya ur prob right. it's all calculated. word is though that hawley and sanders had some leverage, whatever that was.

anyway, it's all bullshit and it's bad for ya.

[DoctorP]

Theater is right

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpuNm6zVEAAGqVy.jpg

btw, adult dependents aka man-babies still living with their parents also qualify for checks this time, so insidehoops rejoice.


If those countries are really paying their citizens that amount of money their economies will be collapsing soon.

The amount of money we should be paying every citizen in America is $0.00.

There should never have been a Cares Act, nor should there ever have been any kind of round 2.

You live conservatively, spend conservatively, and save your money for a rainy day.

but I'm sure there is plenty more of this socialist crap waiting for us in the future for the people who never saved a dime.

[diamenz]

If those countries are really paying their citizens that amount of money their economies will be collapsing soon.

The amount of money we should be paying every citizen in America is $0.00.

There should never have been a Cares Act, nor should there ever have been any kind of round 2.

You live conservatively, spend conservatively, and save your money for a rainy day.

but I'm sure there is plenty more of this socialist crap waiting for us in the future for the people who never saved a dime.

so you're telling me that the gov can tell us to shut down our businesses without providing us any more relief money (spanning eight months now)? tell us that everything we worked for and did right is over with because of covid lockdowns? you really think restaurants can operate @ 25% capacity for eight months and survive? bars? small businesses that are getting f***ed over because the entire country is shopping at home from amazon? folks five months behind in rent because the unemployment that they applied for three months ago is nowhere yet to be seen? what fine and dandy bubble are you living in?

regardless of how you think things should have been done, the reality is that this is where we are.

us gov:

"shut down your business"!

"operate at 25% capacity"!

people:

"okay, i'll need relief money if i can't work."

"ya, me too. i got laid off and haven't received my unemployment check yet that i applied for three months ago".

gov: "bye"

doomsday dallas' solution: welp, ya shoulda saved some money when you saw the pandemic coming!

half of americans lived paycheck to paycheck BEFORE the pandemic. glad you're doing fine, though and can say f*** the world.

[rawimpact]

It shouldn't take a pandemic to realize the importance of saving.

A lot of my colleagues live paycheck to paycheck because they choose to do so, not because of wage limitation(s). I've been eying a few toys myself, from a camper to a boat but have not been in the right financial position to allow myself to spurge. Whereas others will have no problem because they finance things they cannot afford at rates as high as 8%!

Now I understand that my wife and I do quite well financially because we've both been fortunate in various ways. But when I see these 20 year olds coming in and dont have health insurance but have a brand new 1,000 dollar Iphone I think to myself these are the people who will struggle in such situations.

[Doomsday Dallas]

so you're telling me that the gov can tell us to shut down our businesses without providing us any more relief money (spanning eight months now)? tell us that everything we worked for and did right is over with because of covid lockdowns? you really think restaurants can operate @ 25% capacity for eight months and survive? bars? small businesses that are getting f***ed over because the entire country is shopping at home from amazon? folks five months behind in rent because the unemployment that they applied for three months ago is nowhere yet to be seen? what fine and dandy bubble are you living in?

regardless of how you think things should have been done, the reality is that this is where we are.

us gov:

"shut down your business"!

"operate at 25% capacity"!

people:

"okay, i'll need relief money if i can't work."

"ya, me too. i got laid off and haven't received my unemployment check yet that i applied for three months ago".

gov: "bye"

doomsday dallas' solution: welp, ya shoulda saved some money when you saw the pandemic coming!

half of americans lived paycheck to paycheck BEFORE the pandemic. glad you're doing fine, though and can say f*** the world.



Lockdowns are basically unconstitutional.... was Martial Law ever declared?

There should be no lockdowns, and no stimulus.


can't inflate your way out of every bad situation... and you surely can't let the government decide who gets help and who doesn't.


And people say printing $5 Trillion dollars in a year will help the middle class? Negative. It hurts the middle class and small business more than anything.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

some meaningless numbers to ponder real quick...

the median income in 2000 was close to $31,000, 20 years later it is about $35,000

When our federal government decides it wants to print off trillions upon trillions of dollars, please do not tell me it's helping the middle class.

I could live comfortably off a $31,000 salary 20 years ago.... Today, a $35,000 salary is jack $hit.

When you print trillions... the price on everything else goes up, but your income is pretty much going to stay the same.

But here we are... wanting a quick fix that will only hurt us long term.

at the rate we are going... a $50,000 salary in 2040 won't be enough.

[BigKobeFan]

Thats why Europe is such a shit hole. Their economy will collapse soon and then the migrants are gonna run amuck and rape their women.

[Doomsday Dallas]

So we've spent close to 3 trillion this year in Stimulus bullshit.

We could've just given the bottom 200,000,000 Americans $15k each.

[bladefd]

So we've spent close to 3 trillion this year in Stimulus bullshit.

We could've just given the bottom 200,000,000 Americans $15k each.

Good point. It would have been very much beneficial for more than half the country. Probably could have given to bottom half of the country and use little bit of remainder sum for small businesses to give them time. That doesn't even include the few trillion the feds pumped into buying bonds and pumping money into the economy to ultimately prop up things like the stock market. I don't know how long it can continue.

[FourthTenor]

So we've spent close to 3 trillion this year in Stimulus bullshit.

We could've just given the bottom 200,000,000 Americans $15k each.


Your point that mathematically we could have done this and it would have been more direct and simple than 5,500 page elaborate spending bills is well taken.

As I think you know, logistically, for all the kids with summer jobs stocking shelves at safeway, working the register at walmart, flipping burgers at restaurants, providing concierge at hotels, driving for uber...

15k is more than they make in 4 months.

As soon as you send out those checks, they all quit for the summer and then theres nobody to fill society’s most basic jobs. I agree there was no need to shut down for covid in the first place. But shutting down and then mailing giant lump sum checks would actually throw the economy into complete chaos, rather than the current quasi-chaos. You cant remove the incentive to work for a critical mass of people.

[FourthTenor]

Good point. It would have been very much beneficial for more than half the country. Probably could have given to bottom half of the country and use little bit of remainder sum for small businesses to give them time. That doesn't even include the few trillion the feds pumped into buying bonds and pumping money into the economy to ultimately prop up things like the stock market. I don't know how long it can continue.


bladefd :roll:

[ZenMaster]

u can thank bernie sanders and josh hawley for your $600. they were pushing for $1,200. trump wanted to push for $2,000 but was called off by wh aides in fear of tanking the deal.

we're already being shit on by the rest of the developed world over such measly relief, or rather for some 'survival' checks:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/we-are-the-shame-and-laughingstock-of-the-world-the-600-stimulus-check-isnt-going-over-very-well-11608520868

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpuNm6zVEAAGqVy.jpg

btw, adult dependents aka man-babies still living with their parents also qualify for checks this time, so insidehoops rejoice.

Not going to say the stimulus package isn't bullshit, just like everything else when it comes to government and big money is, but those numbers... Under which conditions are the "up to"?
I have family in Denmark and haven't heard anything about private citizens getting money every month just for covid. I do have a friend in Ireland though who I believe gets about $1100 per month, I can't remember the exact figure.

Where I'm at in Europe, as far as I know, registered citizens have only gotten about $150 this year, and that was in form of vouchers for restaurants.

[LoneyROY7]

Not going to say the stimulus package isn't bullshit, just like everything else when it comes to government and big money is, but those numbers... Under which conditions are the "up to"?
I have family in Denmark and haven't heard anything about private citizens getting money every month just for covid. I do have a friend in Ireland though who I believe gets about $1100 per month, I can't remember the exact figure.

Where I'm at in Europe, as far as I know, registered citizens have only gotten about $150 this year, and that was in form of vouchers for restaurants.

Wait...

You don't live in the US??

:wtf:

[ZenMaster]

Wait...

You don't live in the US??

:wtf:

Nope, been living in south Europe for a while now.

[Cleverness]

March/April: $6,000 billion (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/15/coronavirus-economy-6-trillion/)
$269 billion as "$1200" checks to some Americans
(https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2020/09/how-many-coronavirus-stimulus-checks-have-been-sent-out-so-far)


December stimulus: $900 billion
~$150 billion going out directly as "$600 checks" to some Americans (assuming same formula)


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If I was in charge there'd be a National Emergency for their mind virus

Round up these ****ers & imprison them; call it 15 Days to Slow the Spread (but really forever)

Give $12,000 to every American and open 100%. Anyone who wants to keep the Communist agenda going will be thrown in prison

[LoneyROY7]

Nope, been living in south Europe for a while now.

It's absolutely mind-bending that you could have been so invested in the re-election of an incumbent president and uncovering "election fraud" of a country you don't live in...

[ZenMaster]

It's absolutely mind-bending that you could have been so invested in the re-election of an incumbent president and uncovering "election fraud" of a country you don't live in...

Well I was thinking about coming home, but it's not going to happen under the current conditions.

Also, repercussions of who is elected in the US goes way outside of US borders. Have you been a lot abroad or you're stuck in the state you were born in?


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If I was in charge there'd be a National Emergency for their mind virus

Round up these ****ers & imprison them; call it 15 Days to Slow the Spread (but really forever)

Give $12,000 to every American and open 100%. Anyone who wants to keep the Communist agenda going will be thrown in prison

The foreign aid scam continues..

10 mill for gender programs in Pakistan, I wonder what bullshit NGO's that goes to and who has their fingers in it.

This is disgusting, Trump supporters storming Capitol Hill on Jan 6th wouldn't be inappropriate. Could have Antifa join them and then figure out the rest after, just get the current crop of politicians out and start over.

[bladefd]

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If I was in charge there'd be a National Emergency for their mind virus

Round up these ****ers & imprison them; call it 15 Days to Slow the Spread (but really forever)

Give $12,000 to every American and open 100%. Anyone who wants to keep the Communist agenda going will be thrown in prison

Definitely a scam. I would rather have that money go into the pockets of the average American. People are struggling here.. Many are on the verge of going homeless in next couple months. Why the hell are we sending our stimulus money to other countries? What a disgrace. Help them with the covid vaccines to quickly get the vaccines to them in our Air-Force transport planes, but we don't need to send cash their way. :banghead:

[diamenz]

Lockdowns are basically unconstitutional.... was Martial Law ever declared?

There should be no lockdowns, and no stimulus.


can't inflate your way out of every bad situation... and you surely can't let the government decide who gets help and who doesn't.


And people say printing $5 Trillion dollars in a year will help the middle class? Negative. It hurts the middle class and small business more than anything.

but... that's where we are whether it's constitutional or not. that's the reality... lockdowns are raping americans through no fault of their own and it's the government that imposed those lockdowns without relief for eight months. that's my point. livelihoods lost, businesses lost.

if you're going to enforce ridiculous vlockdowns, there needs to be relief money, period.

[Cleverness]

btw, just for accuracy, there's a 2.3 trillion package + the 0.9 trillion "covid stimulus" rn, so some of the trash is from the former. either way, doesn't change the problem; foreign aid should not be passed while they are denying Americans aid.

this guy has a list of some of the BS: https://twitter.com/IDJoe4Congress/status/1341088839280914435

again, cleverness plan is to give directly to the people (aka no bullshit). if we're doing 900 B then it = $2700 to EVERY american, including children. (not $600 to *some* qualifying adults). 1 page bill. also includes opening 100%.

but not enough ppl will give a shit.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ep0nVnaUwAAeKki?format=jpg&name=small

Great Communist Reset in action. lockdowns have wiped out nearly half of black small business. nobody knows or cares. 22 million protested for george. 0 protested for these small businesses and the same will happen with this bill. the oligarchy probably calculated $600 as the minimum needed to keep the sheeple in line.

[Cleverness]

This is disgusting, Trump supporters storming Capitol Hill on Jan 6th wouldn't be inappropriate. Could have Antifa join them and then figure out the rest after, just get the current crop of politicians out and start over.

Maybe one day the bernie bros and team trump can form a third party to get these assholes out. right now too many think they "won" by voting in biden (lol) and the other team still thinks Trump is on their side (:lol). Odds are Trump will sign this bill just like the 2018 Omnibus and 2020 CARES Act and promote it as "Making America Great Again" :facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

Can someone logically explain to me how a Covid relief bill for Americans has millions of dollars in it that is going to foreign countries?

Please, I'm all ears.


Cause for now, I want Pelosi's head on a spike.

[ZenMaster]

Definitely a scam. I would rather have that money go into the pockets of the average American. People are struggling here.. Many are on the verge of going homeless in next couple months. Why the hell are we sending our stimulus money to other countries? What a disgrace. Help them with the covid vaccines to quickly get the vaccines to them in our Air-Force transport planes, but we don't need to send cash their way. :banghead:

I love the absurdity of outraged blade, like you didn't argue for the last 4 years that it's important that "traditional politicians" are in politics.

With traditional politicians comes traditional decisions, which includes taking your tax dollars and sending them to other countries. No one really knows exactly what happens with all that money after that, but somehow the highest ranking politicians have net worth of hundreds of millions of dollars.

I remember telling you about 2.1 billion that disappeared into a Ukrainian bank owned by an oligarch, who wasn't even allowed into the US until after that money seemingly vanished. You didn't care one bit and went and voted for a guy who's been in politics his whole life, who was also part of said transaction.

But hey, you're the same guy who believes that 2 billion dollars delivered in cash on cargo planes to Iran, which those same traditional politicians tried to keep hidden, was totally on the books and not nefarious at all.

They tell you stories and you eat it up, that's why they keep doing this and line their pockets in the process, because you're nothing but a dumb useless tool who will have forgotten about this by the time a new covid strain is introduced.

"What a disgrace" :oldlol:

[Doomsday Dallas]

Look on the bright side.... Bitcoin is at $23,000

[bladefd]

I love the absurdity of outraged blade, like you didn't argue for the last 4 years that it's important that "traditional politicians" are in politics.

With traditional politicians comes traditional decisions, which includes taking your tax dollars and sending them to other countries. No one really knows exactly what happens with all that money after that, but somehow the highest ranking politicians have net worth of hundreds of millions of dollars.

I remember telling you about 2.1 billion that disappeared into a Ukrainian bank owned by an oligarch, who wasn't even allowed into the US until after that money seemingly vanished. You didn't care one bit and went and voted for a guy who's been in politics his whole life, who was also part of said transaction.

But hey, you're the same guy who believes that 2 billion dollars delivered in cash on cargo planes to Iran, which those same traditional politicians tried to keep hidden, was totally on the books and not nefarious at all.

They tell you stories and you eat it up, that's why they keep doing this and line their pockets in the process, because you're nothing but a dumb useless tool who will have forgotten about this by the time a new covid strain is introduced.

"What a disgrace" :oldlol:

You really want to imply "our traditional politicians are corrupt but Trump is not"? Trump is part of that very swamp that I have wanted out of the way for past 7-8yrs (since I began paying attention to politics). In fact, the guy is more corrupt than even the Bidens of the world, who I actually was opposed to through the entire primary process & for past few years. You really going to sit there defending a con-artist who continues to defraud his supporters daily with his defense fund scam while asking me why I decided to vote him out of office?

[ZenMaster]

You really want to imply "our traditional politicians are corrupt but Trump is not"? Trump is part of that very swamp that I have wanted out of the way for past 7-8yrs (since I began paying attention to politics). In fact, the guy is more corrupt than even the Bidens of the world, who I actually was opposed to through the entire primary process & for past few years. You really going to sit there defending a con-artist who continues to defraud his supporters daily with his defense fund scam while asking me why I decided to vote him out of office?

Trump Trump Trump, it's all you can ever defer to.

One day he's a failed businessman, hiding his failure and debt by not releasing his tax returns. The next day, he's enriching himself and his family through the presidency like a corrupt politician.
One day he's part of the swamp, the next he's a crazy lunatic firing everyone around him.
Whatever suits your argument at the time.

I've already explained it to you about in a very long post not long ago. Trump is far from perfect, but change comes in increments and you need a starter for it.

How is term limits ever going to be introduced, when people fail to get behind anyone who's against those limits?

"But there's no one else to vote for" - You made it like this, by voting and excusing for the people who set up the system to be this way - the establishment.

[FourthTenor]

Trump Trump Trump, it's all you can ever defer to.

One day he's a failed businessman, hiding his failure and debt by not releasing his tax returns. The next day, he's enriching himself and his family through the presidency like a corrupt politician.
One day he's part of the swamp, the next he's a crazy lunatic firing everyone around him.
Whatever suits your argument at the time.

I've already explained it to you about in a very long post not long ago. Trump is far from perfect, but change comes in increments and you need a starter for it.

How is term limits ever going to be introduced, when people fail to get behind anyone who's against those limits?

"But there's no one else to vote for" - You made it like this, by voting and excusing for the people who set up the system to be this way - the establishment.

That's the crux of bladefd.

He wants to be a guy with answers, but he can't intuitively come up with insightful answers.

He just repeats the faux-enlightened drivel the mainstream media provides him, and even though the narrative keeps changing like a roller coaster, he never seems to notice or care. He's too busy just trying to keep up with remembering how his 'side' is supposed to feel.

That's why he loves the OMB stuff. Because that one wont change. It's safe, concrete, and predictable. As long as he OMB's, he knows he's doing something right. He knows for sure a segment of people will approve.

Everything else is too fluid. He's not smart enough to deal in ambiguities. But Trump is for sure the bad guy. Orange Man is Bad. That's one the media won't stray from. That one is safe. It's made for all the bladefds.

[ZenMaster]

That's the crux of bladefd.

He wants to be a guy with answers, but he can't intuitively come up with insightful answers.

He just repeats the faux-enlightened drivel the mainstream media provides him, and even though the narrative keeps changing like a roller coaster, he never seems to notice or care. He's too busy just trying to keep up with remembering how his 'side' is supposed to feel.

That's why he loves the OMB stuff. Because that one wont change. It's safe, concrete, and predictable. As long as he OMB's, he knows he's doing something right. He knows for sure a segment of people will approve.

Everything else is too fluid. He's not smart enough to deal in ambiguities. But Trump is for sure the bad guy. Orange Man is Bad. That's one the media won't stray from. That one is safe. It's made for all the bladefds.

Maybe one day with the help of friends he'll realize what he's into, at least one can hope.


https://youtu.be/2hshkdneE8o

[DoctorP]

Don Trump making sure Biden gets an angry mob of armed citizens ready to blow up the Whitehouse and name trump king

[DoctorP]

Trumps a genius