Why won't the states audit?

[ZenMaster]

There's been quite a bit of disinformation in recent weeks about recounts and audits, blending the terms together and claiming one is the other. But is there any good reason as to why politicians, election officials and judges are doing what they can to prevent audits of the elections in the swing states?

In Michigan, a judge ordered a forensic audit of some Dominion machines used in Antrim county late last week, but now the results are being blocked from becoming public. Is there any reasonable explanation for why these results couldn't be allowed public and are instead sealed?

So instead of just getting the truth out there for people to see, they create an environment where potential fake information can conquer narrative on one side, and thus creating division through information. Case in point:

https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1/status/1337595044866510853

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpBA3wDXEAAueKP?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpBA4KPW8AAq9FV?format=jpg&name=large

https://twitter.com/SportzDoc/status/1337640429047619584

[KennyPowers]

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[jstern]

One of the major problems is admitting, showing the US population that major voter fraud occur, and at such and extent. It would be 911 big, it would cause an extreme distrust in the system by ALL. Think about that. And it's something that would be best dealt a different way. Trump will be President, but election fraud must be suppressed. This is the major dilemma.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Why won't you accept the loss?

[Patrick Chewing]

I almost want Biden to be inaugurated, and then a few weeks later he gets the news that he didn't actually win, and him and his entire staff have to walk out of the White House as Trump strolls back in.

[bladefd]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486994-Trump-is-going-to-win&p=14201857&viewfull=1#post14201857

You Trumpeters don't learn, do you?

[LoneyROY7]

How many more cases have to get denied and tossed out before you accept reality?

It's beyond sad at this point.

[Doomsday Dallas]

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Trump is in a serious deep state underground battle with the swap thing.

military might get involved.

Could get interesting this Christmas.

[ZenMaster]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486994-Trump-is-going-to-win&p=14201857&viewfull=1#post14201857

You Trumpeters don't learn, do you?

A month ago you were all saying that you were all about safe and transparent elections. I told you back then that you sound fake as hell but ohnonono that was definitely not the case!
Look at your dumbass now, not able to respond in a thread that points out the opposite happening of what you said you were for.
Thread is not about Trump winning or not winning, Biden is announced the winner and will probably take the seat by end of January.
You might have been "all about fair and transparent elections" a month ago, but when it comes down to it you have no backbone and you're just an empty follower with a hollow soul.

Why would a bureaucrat block forensic results of voting machines, when a judge has ordered the forensic investigations? If there's a legit reason, I'd love to hear it.
I already responded to your posts about Trump asking for donations, there's no need to bring that here again. I know it's tough for you though, there's a block in your brain making it real hard to respond to the subject of this topic, without trying to deflect. You can't help it, it's just there..
You know the logical answer to why someone would be hiding these results, but you keep trying to come to the conclusion that either the audit order or the order to hide the results is somehow fake information - but you don't dare to look it up yourself.

[~primetime~]

Battle with the swamp thing?...the judges throwing these cases out were hand picked by Trump himself...just today the Wisconsin Judge threw out a Trump lawsuit who was picked by Trump himself. If Trump is at war with swamp creatures...it's his own swamp creatures


@Zen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certification_of_voting_machines#United_States

During the certification process, the machines are checked at verified by the 'Election Assistance Commission'. All the machines are checked for accuracy. Aside from that there were two recounts in Georgia and both matched the Dominion machines count.

An audit would check the votes themselves...and a partial one was done in Georgia and found NOTHING.

and LETTUCE B REALITY...it doesn't matter what is done...you've made up your mind that fraud happened and all the audits and recounts in the world can't change your mind.

[bladefd]

and LETTUCE B REALITY...it doesn't matter what is done...you've made up your mind that fraud happened and all the audits and recounts in the world can't change your mind.

Pretty much.

[ZenMaster]

Battle with the swamp thing?...the judges throwing these cases out were hand picked by Trump himself...just today the Wisconsin Judge threw out a Trump lawsuit who was picked by Trump himself. If Trump is at war with swamp creatures...it's his own swamp creatures


@Zen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certification_of_voting_machines#United_States

During the certification process, the machines are checked at verified by the 'Election Assistance Commission'. All the machines are checked for accuracy. Aside from that there were two recounts in Georgia and both matched the Dominion machines count.

An audit would check the votes themselves...and a partial one was done in Georgia and found NOTHING.

and LETTUCE B REALITY...it doesn't matter what is done...you've made up your mind that fraud happened and all the audits and recounts in the world can't change your mind.

There's the disinformation.

That certification has nothing to do with this: https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/1337167625797988355

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/michigan-ag-hides-forensic-audit-dominion-voting-machines-antrim-county-6000-votes-flipped-trump-biden/

A partial audit was done in Georgia, that's exactly the problem. They are doing everything to not do a full audit and signature checks. Why would you only do something partial when you can just do it fully and proper?

Think wider than my mind, about half the country believes election fraud took place and the decision pointed out in the OP is a breeding ground for conspiracy theories - wouldn't it be nice if more people could share your confidence in the election?

It's funny that you make this distinction that no matter what happens I couldn't change my mind about anything and reference "no matter "all the audits", when no full audit of any single state or even county has been made, not a single one.

[~primetime~]

I'd be fine with 100 audits TBH...I'm guessing the issue is one of money because it would require hundreds of counters/checkers...and I'm betting in order for that to be approved and funded there needs to be actual evidence of fraud and not just "there's no way he won something must have happened!!!"

A partial audit would absolutely reveal any MASS sized fraud...it could miss the random small sized stuff that would be found on both sides. But if someone inserted 50,000 fake votes, there is no way a partial audit would miss that.

[Jasper]

Battle with the swamp thing?...the judges throwing these cases out were hand picked by Trump himself...just today the Wisconsin Judge threw out a Trump lawsuit who was picked by Trump himself. If Trump is at war with swamp creatures...it's his own swamp creatures


@Zen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certification_of_voting_machines#United_States

During the certification process, the machines are checked at verified by the 'Election Assistance Commission'. All the machines are checked for accuracy. Aside from that there were two recounts in Georgia and both matched the Dominion machines count.

An audit would check the votes themselves...and a partial one was done in Georgia and found NOTHING.

and LETTUCE B REALITY...it doesn't matter what is done...you've made up your mind that fraud happened and all the audits and recounts in the world can't change your mind.

well said ...
If Trump won by one vote in each state would the Trumpsters come out as they have as well as Trump disclaiming the vote ??
Trumpsters would of said some bull shlt like the Demo's gave it a good run , but we owned them.
Trump would of said , 'I am great' and never would refer to his 4 years of making sure machines were " right " ...
I spell it = pathetic

[ZenMaster]

I'd be fine with 100 audits TBH...I'm guessing the issue is one of money because it would require hundreds of counters/checkers...and I'm betting in order for that to be approved and funded there needs to be actual evidence of fraud and not just "there's no way he won something must have happened!!!"

A partial audit would absolutely reveal any MASS sized fraud...it could miss the random small sized stuff that would be found on both sides. But if someone inserted 50,000 fake votes, there is no way a partial audit would miss that.

Yeah but this is not about "what you'd be fine with", I didn't make the thread to argue against your opinion. The point is that these things are actively being blocked from taking place, and that should make you think.

Whenever you do something partially, you open the door to more cheating.
What if none of the ballots audited were adjudicated in the original process? If you do a full audit and signature check, you avoid these questions. But that's for Georgia, OP is about forensic results of Dominion voting machines in Antrim county being blocked - and that's after they found a 6000 vote switch on another machine.

[diamenz]

this is still a thing?

[ZenMaster]

this is still a thing?

Plenty of other threads for stupid bickering.


https://youtu.be/ZFv55sdvvZQ



Trump is in a serious deep state underground battle with the swap thing.

military might get involved.

Could get interesting this Christmas.

You really think everything will turn dramatically next week? The 2018 EO is coming soon.

https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1607821516109.jpg

[Stanley Kobrick]

https://youtu.be/ZFv55sdvvZQ

https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1607821516109.jpg

hey, that's my favorite channel :cheers:

[bladefd]

I'd be fine with 100 audits TBH...I'm guessing the issue is one of money because it would require hundreds of counters/checkers...and I'm betting in order for that to be approved and funded there needs to be actual evidence of fraud and not just "there's no way he won something must have happened!!!"

A partial audit would absolutely reveal any MASS sized fraud...it could miss the random small sized stuff that would be found on both sides. But if someone inserted 50,000 fake votes, there is no way a partial audit would miss that.

That's what I have been saying for couple weeks now. The partial audit was done in each county across Georgia so it wasn't just 1 single batch from a single county - it was many counties.


"When a risk-limiting audit is performed, the number of ballots examined is based on the margin of the contest: a tight margin requires a significantly larger sample size, while a wider margin means fewer ballots can be examined," explained Ben Adida, the executive director for VotingWorks, a nonpartisan nonprofit that has been working with Georgia's secretary of state over the last year to implement the risk-limiting audit.

In a statement, he continued, "In Georgia's case this year, the required sample size is so large -- more than 1.5M ballots -- that it is less work to sample every cast ballot, simply because attempting to audit a large subset incurs the work of retrieving and replacing specific ballots, while reviewing all ballots does not."

Explaining why this audit is being done for this race and in this way, Raffensperger, who is an engineer, cited the race's "national significance," and said that just taking a sampling of ballots would lead to a sacrifice in accuracy because of the close margin.https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/georgias-top-election-official-announces-full-hand-recount/story?id=74146620

So they audited 1.5 million votes out of possible 5 million (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Georgi a) votes. If there was mass fraud, they would have found a large percentage of those 1.5million votes filled with fraud.

I think zen is so far down the rabbit hole that even if they did a full 100% recount of all 5mill votes, he would just find some other conspiracy. Perhaps he would move onto Pennsylvania or Michigan or Wisconsin.

[ZenMaster]

That's what I have been saying for couple weeks now. The partial audit was done in each county across Georgia so it wasn't just 1 single batch from a single county - it was many counties.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/georgias-top-election-official-announces-full-hand-recount/story?id=74146620

So they audited 1.5 million votes out of possible 5 million (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Georgi a) votes. If there was mass fraud, they would have found a large percentage of those 1.5million votes filled with fraud.

I think zen is so far down the rabbit hole that even if they did a full 100% recount of all 5mill votes, he would just find some other conspiracy. Perhaps he would move onto Pennsylvania or Michigan or Wisconsin.

You conveniently left out the part about them not looking at signatures or return addresses on envelopes, you know, the transactions you'd actually want to audit if you're checking to see if votes are valid. It's also not part of the risk limiting audit to check votes vs dead people, people living out of state, people who aren't old enough to vote, people who are in prison or people who signed up using a PO box as an address.


In a follow-up interview with ABC News' "Start Here" podcast, Raffensperger told host Brad Mielke that officials won't be arguing over ovals or X's while examining all the ballots. What the counters see is a computer printout that clearly says the voter's candidate choice.

Also, it's not good to have the same people do the "audit" as the ones who ran the election in the first place.

This thread is not about Georgia though, it's about why potential evidence which could clear up questions about vote switching in Antrim county MI is being withheld by the secretary of state, as well as how these decisions lead to so called "conspiracy theories".

[Kblaze8855]

Think wider than my mind, about half the country believes election fraud took place and the decision pointed out in the OP is a breeding ground for conspiracy theories - wouldn't it be nice if more people could share your confidence in the election?


The opinion that the election was stolen isnt based on evidence or a rational line of thinking. The opinion was assigned to people stupid enough to believe it by a guy who can tell said people anything(Hes religious.....honest...is the least racist person on earth...knows more about the military than the generals....whatever).

Starting with a premise of "Its impossible Trump lost" it doesnt matter what the evidence is. It was obvious he would do all this months ago. This is me in July:



Hes just laying his ground work in case he loses to say he’s been saying it’s rigged all along.

and


If he loses he will absolutely blow a gasket and set records on Twitter. Whatever the most responded to tweet ever is he’s gonna top it that day(assuming it’s not already him). He will talk about contesting the results, recounts in close states, waiting for absentee and all that. I suspect Pelosi will play it like no big deal and just tweet inauguration details. The secret service doesn’t work for whoever sits on the office. If someone else swears in they work for him. He’s not about to be escorted out of the building by force. I think he would raise hell then leave early skipping the inauguration and hold a competing press conference at worst.


Which reports say hes planning to do.

Every speck of this was clearly planned. Right down to the election night tweets about thinking he had won already when we all know he knew which states still had mail in ballots to count(what...the president doesnt know but twitter trolls do?).

He flat out lies to you people and your head knows it even if your heart doesnt.

There is nothing that could make the Trump followers accept that he lost and has less support even in a world where democrats almost always get more votes(all but once since 1988) in a presidential election.

There are more democrat voters than republican. Trump had less support...and therefore lost. The end. The few times(3 in 250 years) republicans manage to eek out a win with less votes does not make it something to expect. If the minority groups vote....if the young people vote....republicans cant win. Republicans depend on voter apathy and disenfranchisement leading to low turnout. High turnout = democrat victory. A loudmouthed idiot in office for 4 years actively trying to make himself hated by half the country when he won with a minority of votes to begin with just wasnt a good bet to get reelected. He made too many people care. His supporters made too many people hate him and them.

Thats the downside of years of acting like jackasses. Being hated is funny till its time to vote and you need the other side to stay home.

[ZenMaster]

The opinion that the election was stolen isnt based on evidence or a rational line of thinking. The opinion was assigned to people stupid enough to believe it by a guy who can tell said people anything(Hes religious.....honest...is the least racist person on earth...knows more about the military than the generals....whatever).

Starting with a premise of "Its impossible Trump lost" it doesnt matter what the evidence is. It was obvious he would do all this months ago. This is me in July:




and




Which reports say hes planning to do.

Every speck of this was clearly planned. Right down to the election night tweets about thinking he had won already when we all know he knew which states still had mail in ballots to count(what...the president doesnt know but twitter trolls do?).

He flat out lies to you people and your head knows it even if your heart doesnt.

There is nothing that could make the Trump followers accept that he lost and has less support even in a world where democrats almost always get more votes(all but once since 1988) in a presidential election.

There are more democrat voters than republican. Trump had less support...and therefore lost. The end. The few times(3 in 250 years) republicans manage to eek out a win with less votes does not make it something to expect. If the minority groups vote....if the young people vote....republicans cant win. Republicans depend on voter apathy and disenfranchisement leading to low turnout. High turnout = democrat victory. A loudmouthed idiot in office for 4 years actively trying to make himself hated by half the country when he won with a minority of votes to begin with just wasnt a good bet to get reelected. He made too many people care. His supporters made too many people hate him and them.

Thats the downside of years of acting like jackasses. Being hated is funny till its time to vote and you need the other side to stay home.

The notion that I think it was impossible for Trump to lose is flat out ridiculous, if it were true, I would have bet a hell of lot more than I did. Objectively at the time I thought it was close to 50/50.

The report was released today by a judge btw, if you read it you'll quickly find out why they were trying to keep it in the dark.

https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf


We conclude that the Dominion Voting System is intentionally and purposefully
designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election
results. The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot
errors. The electronic ballots are then transferred for adjudication. The intentional
errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and
no audit trail. This leads to voter or election fraud. Based on our study, we
conclude that The Dominion Voting System should not be used in Michigan. We
further conclude that the results of Antrim County should not have been certified.

[Doomsday Dallas]

The notion that I think it was impossible for Trump to lose is flat out ridiculous, if it were true, I would have bet a hell of lot more than I did. Objectively at the time I thought it was close to 50/50.

The report was released today by a judge btw, if you read it you'll quickly find out why they were trying to keep it in the dark.

https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

Does this count as evidence? or no?

[LoneyROY7]

The notion that I think it was impossible for Trump to lose is flat out ridiculous, if it were true, I would have bet a hell of lot more than I did. Objectively at the time I thought it was close to 50/50.

The report was released today by a judge btw, if you read it you'll quickly find out why they were trying to keep it in the dark.

https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

You watching the official electoral college voting today? Will you finally be ready to say it's over when it concludes?

:lol

[~primetime~]

Does this count as evidence? or no?

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/14/michigan-judge-allows-release-report-antrim-county-voting/6537394002/

[~primetime~]

The machines are all checked for accuracy during the certification process...in EVERY COUNTY IN THE US

That means during the certification process, hundreds, if not thousands of people check the machines for accuracy and make sure they count correctly.

Not only that, a full 100% hand RECOUNT in Georgia matched the Dominion machine count in that state.

[rufuspaul]

Dominion wasn't even used in Wisconsin and Trump lost there twice. :lol

[Nanners]

Dominion wasn't even used in Wisconsin and Trump lost there twice. :lol

You sure about that?

https://www.tmj4.com/news/election-2020/audit-of-dominion-voting-machines-in-wisconsin-shows-minor-issues-perfect-count-for-some-municipalities


Part of certifying Wisconsin’s election results includes randomly auditing voting machines across the state. The Wisconsin Elections Commission says 15 percent of the state’s Dominion machines are being checked for accuracy. Several municipalities that used them in southeastern Wisconsin report minor issues if any.

[ZenMaster]

The machines are all checked for accuracy during the certification process...in EVERY COUNTY IN THE US

That means during the certification process, hundreds, if not thousands of people check the machines for accuracy and make sure they count correctly.

Not only that, a full 100% hand RECOUNT in Georgia matched the Dominion machine count in that state.

It's all about them signature checks, which they won't do in Georgia. If you count the same votes, including legit and fraudulent, you'll get the same number every time if you are counting right.

https://media.thedonald.win/post/t7RogA5t.jpeg

It would be awesome if they could just audit the whole thing, but it's not possible..

https://media.thedonald.win/post/x1ziEQpb.jpeg


And now they're trying to get the information out of the way.

https://twitter.com/PhillDKline/status/1338531801917165572?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1338531801917165572%7Ctwgr% 5Eshare_1%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthedonald.win%2Fp%2F11R4XDOH 29%2Fmichigan-coverup-begins-secretar%2Fc%2F


The Michigan Secretary of State has ordered deletion of e-poll books and other evidence, and has taken affirmative steps to seal forensic evidence regarding the flaws in the operation of Dominion machines from the public view and also from legislators.

You are welcome to claim that the people who did this forensic analysis are faking the results to create an illusion of fraud having taken place, like what the guy in the article you refer to says, but they're on the record, are willing to testify in court and have already given testimony at numerous election hearings. Pretty sad that the Michigan court won't hear the case and thus actually judge the case on it's merit.

[~primetime~]

You are welcome to claim that the people who did this forensic analysis are faking the results to create an illusion of fraud having taken place, like what the guy in the article you refer to says, but they're on the record, are willing to testify in court and have already given testimony at numerous election hearings. Pretty sad that the Michigan court won't hear the case and thus actually judge the case on it's merit.
that article also says:


Members of the group involved in the forensic analysis in the county have previously made false statements and shared fake documents about the election, said Jake Rollow, spokesman for Benson.

idk...I don't know much about it all, probably the same as you.

they are just one county out of 3,000 though...the other counties certified their voting machines

[ZenMaster]

that article also says:



idk...I don't know much about it all, probably the same as you.

they are just one county out of 3,000 though...the other counties certified their voting machines

Yes, Jake Rollow wants you to believe it's fake information in the report and that there is absolutely no reason for the state or anyone else to audit anything.

I don't know what you mean by "certified their voting machines" like it's a designation that matters, so did Antrim county. I think that's one of the points of the conclusions in the report, that these results should absolutely not be certified and instead all the machines should be audited fully by independent people.

What I know is that I've actually listened to the testimony of the man who's was in charge of that forensic investigation as well questions by legislators, both dems and repubs answered by him - he should definitely be heard in court.

[ZenMaster]

You watching the official electoral college voting today? Will you finally be ready to say it's over when it concludes?

:lol

I'll call Biden President if the takes the seat on the 21st. There are two realities playing out simultaneously, I'm simply aware that both exists, here's an example:

https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1607980528001.png

[~primetime~]

Certifying the machines absolutely matters...if that doesn't matter to you then really nothing should.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certification_of_voting_machines#United_States


see that in 2007 4 machines were decertified? Machines can get bugs and such, it happens...so during the certification process ALL the machines are checked for accuracy...by lots and lots of different people.

[LoneyROY7]

I'll call Biden President if the takes the seat on the 21st. There are two realities playing out simultaneously, you're aware of one and I'm aware of both.

https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1607980528001.png

"Realities" constructed on 4chan don't constitute an actual reality.

[TheMan]

"Realities" constructed on 4chan don't constitute an actual reality.

:lol

[LoneyROY7]

What's so funny is I have ventured onto 4chan's politically incorrect "forum" (if you can even call it that) a couple times and it is an absolute cesspool.

"N***er" this, "killing jews" that...it's a bunch of angry incels who are insecure with themselves and their standing in society, so they vent and rage anonymously in this "safe space" they've created.

Anyone trying to pass off information using that as a source is an absolute joke to say the least.

[ZenMaster]

"Realities" constructed on 4chan don't constitute an actual reality.

It's not about where it's constructed, and I'd agree with your statement - the screenshot is just a show of how this plays out simultaneously on even the same message board.
What you see in the MSM doesn't constitute an actual reality either, unfortunately.

/pol/ is very much a cesspool, there's good information about it here: http://www0.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/G.Stringhini/papers/4chan-ICWSM2017.pdf

[LoneyROY7]

It's not about where it's constructed, and I'd agree with your statement - the screenshot is just a show of how this plays out simultaneously on even the same message board.
What you see in the MSM doesn't constitute an actual reality either, unfortunately.

/pol/ is very much a cesspool, there's good information about it here: http://www0.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/G.Stringhini/papers/4chan-ICWSM2017.pdf

What the electoral college votes on is not a reality constructed by the MSM. It's an actual reality.

That electoral college voting concludes tonight. Will you accept their result?

[ZenMaster]

Certifying the machines absolutely matters...if that doesn't matter to you then really nothing should.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certification_of_voting_machines#United_States


see that in 2007 4 machines were decertified? Machines can get bugs and such, it happens...so during the certification process ALL the machines are checked for accuracy...by lots and lots of different people.


The VVSG provide a set of specifications and requirements against which voting systems can be tested to determine if the systems provide all of the basic functionality, accessibility and security capabilities required of these systems. In addition, the guidelines establish evaluation criteria for the national certification of voting systems.

It sounds good, but there's nothing about checking for accuracy or actually auditing results or machines post election. Also, that is not a 3rd party, but a government institution. The two links given in the Wiki from 2015 (VVSG 1.1) don't work either.

And here's a fact, you can't audit something if the logs have been erased.

https://media.thedonald.win/post/x1ziEQpb.jpeg

[ZenMaster]

What the electoral college votes on is not a reality constructed by the MSM. It's an actual reality.

That electoral college voting concludes tonight. Will you accept their result?

You are completely right, that would be the absolute reality that the officially elected electors have now cast their vote towards Biden for President. I will accept their result as that being what they did.
It's also an absolute reality that Trump has changed how the Pentagon and CIA works in the last two months and inserted Ezra Cohen-Watnick into a very important position in the middle of it all.


https://youtu.be/DK8B0HiHIpM

Like I said, I'm aware of both realities while you are not. In the reality that you are not aware of, it's about corruption and Chinese money having influenced lawmakers and officials at all levels to make the steal of the election possible. Criminal stuff that will render official results moot and instead widen the scope of looking at who is part of the corruption. In that reality, December 18th is also more significant than today.
In that reality, they want a thorough explanation on how the content of this kind of video can be real: https://rumble.com/vbu6xh-election-night-errors-how-did-that-happen.html
And they see recent events being connected to all of this: https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1338100960942551040

I can't know what will actually play out, so like I've said a million times before, I'll just wait and see. Joe Biden will be inaugurated on the 21st of Jan, right? Easy concept to comprehend..

What's happened, happened.

Also, what's interesting is that the two realities will collide very soon. You and other leftists here like to clamor on about "there's always a new conspiracy theory"(similar to you yourselves went from Russia to Ukraine in the Trump conspiracy), but in this case I don't believe it applies since it's all so much built on momentum through Trump being in a position to affect change of outcome. If Biden takes the seat without anything happening, the whole Q stuff will be over, at least on a sizeable level.

[LoneyROY7]

Okay, so now the date is officially January 20th when you will accept reality.

You did say the 14th of December previously though, just to remind you. But hey if you want one more month to cultivate as many tinfoil conspiracies screenshotted from 4chan as possible, by all means.

[ZenMaster]

Okay, so now the date is officially January 20th when you will accept reality.

You did say the 14th of December previously though, just to remind you. But hey if you want one more month to cultivate as many tinfoil conspiracies screenshotted from 4chan as possible, by all means.

Biden will be President when he's President, it's such an easy concept to comprehend.

And I don't think I've said anything about the 14th whatsoever, in which thread? Never said such thing as "I will accept reality on this date", I always tell you that there are two separate realities playing out in this. If you want to be a brain dead idiot and think one of them is made up on 4chan, then go ahead. You'd have been closer if you said TheDonald, but even that's not true. The separate realities comes from information that spreads from Twitter, from there it goes to 4chan, TheDonald, etc.

[LoneyROY7]

You realize there aren't actually "separate realities" right? There's one reality.

[RRR3]

You realize there aren't actually "separate realities" right? There's one reality.
:roll:

Zen I def remember you saying you’ll leave ISH once the electoral college confirms it. Just admit you don’t wanna leave lmao

[Nanners]

You realize there aren't actually "separate realities" right? There's one reality.

Tell that to the "Berenstein" bears

[ZenMaster]

You realize there aren't actually "separate realities" right? There's one reality.

When it comes to groups of people, perception is reality.

What you describe and think of as a few "half baked conspiracy theories", is actually a full narrative by itself taking root in the same events as the narrative you follow through MSM. Sometimes there is blatant disinformation injected, but that goes for both places.

Here's an example:

George Bush has military personnel go on press conferences to explain and show how certain satellite photo's show WMD compounds. It's presented as the truth.

Some people believed what they were told and thus their opinion became that Saddam had to go right now through military force. The ethical justifications of events that took place on the basis of this belief, was then built on that opinion - that Saddam was dangerous to the world.

Other people didn't believe what they were told. To them, Bush had the military personnel lie in order to have a war there was no real reason to(a conspiracy theory). The ethical justifications of events that took place on the basis of this belief, was then built on that opinion.

In one reality people were applauding the war and thought it was a positive thing, while in the other, Bush was a war criminal using the US military in a capacity where it shouldn't have been deployed. Depending on whoever you asked at the time, one or the other would be true, same as now..


You are right that there is only one absolute reality(the truth), and there it's like I said: official electors have chosen Biden and Trump has rearranged the intelligence community and the Pentagon in a radical way that could be indicative of something big coming.

[ZenMaster]

:roll:

Zen I def remember you saying you’ll leave ISH once the electoral college confirms it. Just admit you don’t wanna leave lmao

I put up a bet with the 4th of December as a date, but people didn't take it. That's the one I remember putting up :(

[bladefd]

"Realities" constructed on 4chan don't constitute an actual reality.

Zenmaster wasn't always like this. Same with nanners, tpols, etc. These guys are going off the walls lately. They are deep down the rabbit hole of conspiracies, and I'm losing hope for them.

[Nanners]

Zenmaster wasn't always like this. Same with nanners, tpols, etc. These guys are going off the walls lately. They are deep down the rabbit hole of conspiracies, and I'm losing hope for them.

Nonsense

I have always been completely retarded... just like you :oldlol:

[bladefd]

I'm reading through first page stuff.. Zen, do you realize how many people would have to be in on it? Especially if it happened in multiple states? Can't just be a single county or even a few counties. It has to be country-wide in multiple states. How have so many people kept it so well hidden?

[LoneyROY7]

You are right that there is only one absolute reality(the truth), and there it's like I said: official electors have chosen Biden and Trump has rearranged the intelligence community and the Pentagon in a radical way that could be indicative of something big coming.

So, official electors having chosen Biden is indeed an absolute reality. Yes.

Trump rearranging his intelligence community "in a radical way that could be indicative of something big coming" is completely your conjecture. That is NOT an absolute reality. Just so we're clear.

[ZenMaster]

I'm reading through first page stuff.. Zen, do you realize how many people would have to be in on it? Especially if it happened in multiple states? Can't just be a single county or even a few counties. It has to be country-wide in multiple states. How have so many people kept it so well hidden?

It's fewer than you think, but it's till quite a few people, which definitely makes it scary. It's not like all these people sit in one grand room and conspire on it all though, that's not how it works.
If you want an explanation of how this happens on a local level in the cities at hand, there's testimony here: https://youtu.be/X0-vyw9qbdw

How many people would have to be in on it, in order to get hundreds of thousands of troops to invade another country through military using information that isn't real? Is it so many that it can't be done?

As for keeping it a secret, there's plenty of affidavits e.g from postal workers who said they were ordered to backdate ballots.
There is testimony from a truck driver, saying that he transported ballots, I believe from Chicago and onto a deserted PA parking lot where he was ordered to leave them.
And there's much more testimony and indications as well, you've just been looking the other way. Case in point that you're in here commenting about how none election fraud took place, and just now is getting around to reading the OP - muppet.

[ZenMaster]

So, official electors having chosen Biden is indeed an absolute reality. Yes.

Trump rearranging his intelligence community "in a radical way that could be indicative of something big coming" is completely your conjecture. That is NOT an absolute reality. Just so we're clear.

It's an absolute reality that he's rearranged the the intelligence community and the Pentagon in a radical way, the rest is conjecture, you're correct. It's not completely my conjecture though, hence the video I posted earlier.
More moves were made today btw, check out who took over for Barr and the guy sliding in below - it's someone from Flynn's old team as well in the DIA.

[LoneyROY7]

It's an absolute reality that he's rearranged the the intelligence community and the Pentagon in a radical way, the rest is conjecture, you're correct. It's not completely my conjecture though, hence the video I posted earlier.

"Radical way" is also conjecture. As it insinuates some kind of endgame to Trump's choices related to the election, to which you have no actual knowledge of. It's conjecture about what you WISH would happen, not an absolute reality.

[ZenMaster]

"Radical way" is also conjecture. As it insinuates some kind of endgame to Trump's choices related to the election, to which you have no actual knowledge of. It's conjecture about what you WISH would happen, not an absolute reality.

I disagree, it's big change, to such an extent that they cut off the CIA director Gina Haspel from intelligence meetings.

I insinuate that it might relation to being an endgame because the people inserted are have been shown to be quite radical in their thinking, check out Anthony Tata's now deleted tweets. I can't objectively know to what extent that it's true that these people are put in place because something will be happening, but I know that the media wouldn't report on it truthfully either.
Maybe Trump only put them there to get troops out of the Middle East and break up as much of the CIA as he can before he leaves, that's also a strong possibility.

I'll just wait and see instead of bowing to your "submit not trumpeter" fantasies - it's going to turn out the same way in any case.

[LoneyROY7]

So, I'll just wait and see instead of bowing to your "submit not trumpeter" fantasies - it's going to turn out the same way in any case.

Bowing to my fantasies? There is no fantasy over here. It's simply accepting what has happened. Our country has now officially elected Joe Biden as president for the next 4 years. A reality that is clearly a painful one for you.

Unfortunately, that reality still exists despite your feelings.

[Stanley Kobrick]

Okay, so now the date is officially January 20th when you will accept reality.

You did say the 14th of December previously though, just to remind you. But hey if you want one more month to cultivate as many tinfoil conspiracies screenshotted from 4chan as possible, by all means.
:cheers:

[Axe]

Zenmaster wasn't always like this. Same with nanners, tpols, etc. These guys are going off the walls lately. They are deep down the rabbit hole of conspiracies, and I'm losing hope for them.
Magatards just getting more desperate af as 2021 nears

[ZenMaster]

Bowing to my fantasies? There is no fantasy over here. It's simply accepting what has happened. Our country has now officially elected Joe Biden as president for the next 4 years. A reality that is clearly a painful one for you.

Unfortunately, that reality still exists despite your feelings.

Thread is about a forensic audit of which the results were blocked, but has now been released. You come in here and ask if I now will accept the results of the electoral college and that Biden is now President. Prime, blade, yourself and others repeatedly has come into threads and instead of talking about the subject, you talk about people not accepting the results. Sometimes you ask about it in a way that appears sensible, other times it's more in the line of bullying, Prime even going as far as saying that I'm a danger to democracy. But that's a point I made a long time ago as well, none of you care about the election actually being safe or fraud done.
If you pay attention, I'm not claiming anywhere that Trump is going to win and it all just a matter of time.

Do I think it's sad and stupid to vote for people who did 15 years of war in the Middle East and lied about it all through media deception, just because of your OMB feelings? Of course, that was the wrong way to go.

https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1607994515193.png

[RRR3]

Thread is about a forensic audit of which the results were blocked, but has now been released. You come in here and ask if I now will accept the results of the electoral college and that Biden is now President. Prime, blade, yourself and others repeatedly has come into threads and instead of talking about the subject, you talk about people not accepting the results. Sometimes you ask about it in a way that appears sensible, other times it's more in the line of bullying, Prime even going as far as saying that I'm a danger to democracy. But that's a point I made a long time ago as well, none of you care about the election actually being safe or fraud done.
If you pay attention, I'm not claiming anywhere that Trump is going to win and it all just a matter of time.

Do I think it's sad and stupid to vote for people who did 15 years of war in the Middle East and lied about it all through media deception, just because of your OMB feelings? Of course, that was the wrong way to go.

https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1607994515193.png
Trump increased drone strikes massively from Obama (which is remarkable given how drone-obsessed Obama was), prevented congress from ending American involvement in Yemen, and started a new conflict in Niger. You acting as if he is anti-war is comical. Sure, Biden will be similar and could well start bombing new countries. They’re all the same.

[LoneyROY7]

Thread is about a forensic audit of which the results were blocked, but has now been released. You come in here and ask if I now will accept the results of the electoral college and that Biden is now President. Prime, blade, yourself and others repeatedly has come into threads and instead of talking about the subject, you talk about people not accepting the results. Sometimes you ask about it in a way that appears sensible, other times it's more in the line of bullying, Prime even going as far as saying that I'm a danger to democracy. But that's a point I made a long time ago as well, none of you care about the election actually being safe or fraud done.
If you pay attention, I'm not claiming anywhere that Trump is going to win and it all just a matter of time.

Do I think it's sad and stupid to vote for people who did 15 years of war in the Middle East and lied about it all through media deception, just because of your OMB feelings? Of course, that was the wrong way to go.

https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1607994515193.png

So, after spending the last month and a half posting daily "evidence" of the election being stolen from Trump and having that "evidence" roundly lambasted by every court in country...your response now is that we're bullying YOU by asking if you will accept the results of the presidential election?

Fascinating.

[ZenMaster]

Trump increased drone strikes massively from Obama (which is remarkable given how drone-obsessed Obama was), prevented congress from ending American involvement in Yemen, and started a new conflict in Niger. You acting as if he is anti-war is comical. Sure, Biden will be similar and could well start bombing new countries. They’re all the same.

We've already had the discussion about the drone strikes, there's no point in you keep bringing it up with me.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria all bombed and wrecked for political gain and money, creating ISIS and inflicting mass refugee immigration on Europe at the same time.

[ZenMaster]

So, after spending the last month and a half posting daily "evidence" of the election being stolen from Trump and having that "evidence" roundly lambasted by every court in country...your response now is that we're bullying YOU by asking if you will accept the results of the presidential election?

Fascinating.

Cases haven't been tossed on merit, the witnesses has not been heard in court.

The bullying would be saying that I'm a threat to democracy, calling me crazy for not accepting the results and repeating that over and over.

Let me ask you this, why do you keep coming into threads and diverting from the subject? I've posted the report of this forensic audit, ordered by a judge, but you have absolutely no comment on that - you just want me to accept the MSM narrative that this was the most secure election ever.
I've written it probably a hundred times by now, but I will just wait and see what happens. You'd have to be retarded not to understand that concept, and I don't think that's the case, so something else must be bugging you guys that makes it impossible to discuss the subject at hand, but instead make the sole focus about "accepting the results".

[RRR3]

We've already had the discussion about the drone strikes, there's no point in you keep bringing it up with me.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria all bombed and wrecked for political gain and money, creating ISIS and inflicting mass refugee immigration on Europe at the same time.
I will keep bringing up Trump being a war criminal as long as you retardedly try to act like he isn’t. Like Loney said, try to live in reality.

[LoneyROY7]

Cases haven't been tossed on merit, the witnesses has not been heard in court.

The bullying would be saying that I'm a threat to democracy, calling me crazy for not accepting the results and repeating that over and over.

Let me ask you this, why do you give flying **** what I think? Why do you keep coming into threads and diverting from the subject? I've posted the report of this forensic audit, ordered by a judge, but you have absolutely no comment on that - you just want me to accept the MSM narrative that this was the most secure election ever.
I've written it probably a hundred times by now, but I will just wait and see what happens. You'd have to be retarded not to understand that concept.

I'm gonna keep it real with you, no bullying whatsoever. But following some of your posts over this last month and half, you come off as quite crazy.

The courts have rejected your "findings" at every turn. The official electoral college votes have been cast. So now your last hail mary is that Trump is staging some kind of coup with his intelligence agency choices. Best of luck man, just remember the world will keep turning no matter what.

[ZenMaster]

I will keep bringing up Trump being a war criminal as long as you retardedly try to act like he isnÂ’t. Like Loney said, try to live in reality.

Like I've told your dumbass before, it' not about Trump, but about the alternative being much worse. Take a trip around Europe and see the effects of the mass refugee immigration, come see it for yourself. While you're at it, take a trip to the old shithole communist countries as well, talk to some people there and make your dumbass wake up.


I'm gonna keep it real with you, no bullying whatsoever. But following some of your posts over this last month and half, you come off as quite crazy.

The courts have rejected your "findings" at every turn. The official electoral college votes have been cast. So now your last hail mary is that Trump is staging some kind of coup with his intelligence agency choices. Best of luck man, just remember the world will keep turning no matter what.

I know, I haven't really posted about anything but the election on here, which makes it come off as it's the only thing I think about. That's far from the case though, I just think there's a lot of information about this subject which deserves to be mentioned and isn't in the MSM, like this report. Also, I don't feel a need to post about things which others already are talking about, instead it's in my nature to post about the information that's not yet presented.

But again you try and put your opinion on me. "Now your last hail mary.." ... I don't have any hail mary, you're talking as if I'm trying to win a case of election fraud on ISH :oldlol:
I am literally just waiting to see what happens, for the 101st time now, while moving some information over here in the process.
I've said from the start that this would go a long while and not be over in the short term - go check the timeline for when Bush won in 2000.
I can tell that it's hard for you to accept anything I say though without twisting it to something else, but it's not something I lose sleep over.

[Kblaze8855]

It’s been over. Absolutely nothing worth talking about had happened since the day or two after Election Day. Literally everything since it came out Biden won has been noise with no result being laughed at by most of the country. The only news is the almost daily reminder of wacky lawsuits failing and people in denial pushing back their dates something was supposed to happen by.

Just a bunch of people talking about fantasy worlds where their weird theories mean anything as the process has worked itself out without a hitch right on schedule. The only thing to talk about has been people being upset to no result and their sometimes worrying efforts to end American democracy when the result isn’t what they wanted.

[ZenMaster]

Also LoneRoy, I work in an environment where I can't express any of this kind of stuff - so talking about it here is a bit of an outlet for me outside of a few friends who share same political views. You could argue "well then go to thedonald where people think like you", but I don't want that. I appreciate that ISH is diverse and I always read when someone writes about a different opinion, like with Kblaze earlier in this thread.
It's just with this MSM stuff, I've been thoroughly redpilled and I know that what they talk about shouldn't necessarily be considered reality.
Some of it is through my work with media and marketing, but my father was also quite well versed on the subject as well and wrote his dissertation in the late 70's on fake news(no joke), he was a historian.

[bladefd]

Sometimes I genuinely wonder if Zen is trolling us & sitting there laughing at everyone he has replying to him or if he truly believes Trump has been screwed over by everyone.. I often cannot tell. He is either a troll wizard or a 4chan nutcase.. :confusedshrug:

I guess we will never know for sure if he is a troll wizard. If he is, then good job, you got us :applause:
If not, then.. I have no words.

Regardless, keep choppin'.

[ZenMaster]

Sometimes I genuinely wonder if Zen is trolling us & sitting there laughing at everyone he has replying to him or if he truly believes Trump has been screwed over by everyone.. I often cannot tell. He is either a troll wizard or a 4chan nutcase.. :confusedshrug:

I guess we will never know for sure if he is a troll wizard. If he is, then good job, you got us :applause:
If not, then.. I have no words.

Regardless, keep choppin'.


https://youtu.be/K4Ksoizbl2s

That's not entirely true though, that dopey loser fantasy of yours with the White House press secretary did catch my attention and I told you why not long ago.
But for the most part, you never bring any original thought and your opinion is always in line with CNN talking heads - I wish I could say it differently, but that's how it always end up when it's about Trump. You hardly ever answer any question where you are obviously pressed on your thought, but that's similar to quite a few other people on here - just glance over it, pretend it's not there, and come back later with a new personal attack. I get it, we're on a basketball board and I don't hold it against you that you talk about politics in the same way as discussing NBA.

I think it's not more than a few days ago you quoted one of my posts(I think it was you anyhow) and said "well conservatives usually think this" or some mindless shit like that which had no place in the conversation, as I don't have conservative values and I don't base my personality around political beliefs.
It's just empty talk really, trying to designate people into a certain set of opinions, which then fits into how you want to argue against those opinions.

I'll tell you what I care about long term:

1) Getting rid of career politicians who sell out to interests that are not for the people and thus create conflict.

2) Getting rid of legalized bribery.

3) Getting rid of the two party system.

My trolling here has been minimal, sometimes I'll put in a pepe or some energetic MAGA rhetoric to rile you up a bit, but that's all - not every post can be text only.

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/6c97c2dc-1f80-4ce0-a600-ad048bbb94ce_1.ffdafc7194b6abbc7bff875187bf2ca0.jp eg

[Cleverness]

Like I've told your dumbass before, it' not about Trump, but about the alternative being much worse. Take a trip around Europe and see the effects of the mass refugee immigration, come see it for yourself. While you're at it, take a trip to the old shithole communist countries as well, talk to some people there and make your dumbass wake up.

I wouldn't bother writing long responses to these guys. Just ask them to form their own opinions. I wouldn't be surprised if RRR3 considers freaking Howie Hawkins' foreign policy plans to fall into the same category as a "war criminal."

For ex, for covid-19, I used to spend hours laying out all the facts to show we should have been open 100% in March/April, but everyone who disagrees just disappears when you ask them for their own better alternative.

[pew]

I wouldn't bother writing long responses to these guys. Just ask them to form their own opinions. I wouldn't be surprised if RRR3 considers freaking Howie Hawkins' foreign policy plans to fall into the same category as a "war criminal."

For ex, for covid-19, I used to spend hours laying out all the facts to show we should have been open 100% in March/April, but everyone who disagrees just disappears when you ask them for their own better alternative.

In what delusional world do you live in to still think your stance on covid is correct? Over the last few months every horse you've backed has failed miserably.
1. Trump and his view that covid is no big deal, just a flu and it will go away - voted out of office and losing every day
2. Scott Atlas and his herd immunity - resigned out of shame with scientific community wailing on him
3. Sweden and herd immunity - failed, and resorting back to the whole world's strategy of wearing mask and distancing.

If America had lock downed in March/April like China did every time they had a small outbreak, America wouldn't be in the cluster**** it is now. They would just have small fires to put out. No one responds to you anymore because you're a broken record player. And contrary to all the evidence and all thats going on around you in the world (everyones wearing masks, everyone cares about old people dying), you still can't see that no one shares your viewpoint because it is wrong

[ZenMaster]

I wouldn't bother writing long responses to these guys. Just ask them to form their own opinions. I wouldn't be surprised if RRR3 considers freaking Howie Hawkins' foreign policy plans to fall into the same category as a "war criminal."

For ex, for covid-19, I used to spend hours laying out all the facts to show we should have been open 100% in March/April, but everyone who disagrees just disappears when you ask them for their own better alternative.

Yeah true, you're right.

[warriorfan]

Bladefd has legitimate brain damage or something.

[RRR3]

I wouldn't bother writing long responses to these guys. Just ask them to form their own opinions. I wouldn't be surprised if RRR3 considers freaking Howie Hawkins' foreign policy plans to fall into the same category as a "war criminal."

For ex, for covid-19, I used to spend hours laying out all the facts to show we should have been open 100% in March/April, but everyone who disagrees just disappears when you ask them for their own better alternative.
Why on earth would I think Howie Hawkins was a war criminal? He’s anti-war. Stop throwing a tantrum because I gave factual evidence of your loverboy’s war crimes, Jesus.

[RRR3]

Like I've told your dumbass before, it' not about Trump, but about the alternative being much worse. Take a trip around Europe and see the effects of the mass refugee immigration, come see it for yourself. While you're at it, take a trip to the old shithole communist countries as well, talk to some people there and make your dumbass wake up.



I know, I haven't really posted about anything but the election on here, which makes it come off as it's the only thing I think about. That's far from the case though, I just think there's a lot of information about this subject which deserves to be mentioned and isn't in the MSM, like this report. Also, I don't feel a need to post about things which others already are talking about, instead it's in my nature to post about the information that's not yet presented.

But again you try and put your opinion on me. "Now your last hail mary.." ... I don't have any hail mary, you're talking as if I'm trying to win a case of election fraud on ISH :oldlol:
I am literally just waiting to see what happens, for the 101st time now, while moving some information over here in the process.
I've said from the start that this would go a long while and not be over in the short term - go check the timeline for when Bush won in 2000.
I can tell that it's hard for you to accept anything I say though without twisting it to something else, but it's not something I lose sleep over.
Again, I keep telling you, your hero Trump massively increased drone strikes so he almost certainly led to far more civilian deaths than Obama. He also started bombing Niger, refused to stop assisting genocide in Yemen, left the Kurds to be slaughtered without warning them, and has probably assassinated two prominent Iranians, massively antagonizing the biggest country in the Middle East. If you want to argue Obama was even worse, sure definitely an argument given how many wars he started. He did pull a lot of troops out though and made the switch to drone warfare, which is what Trump has been doing far more and you seem to consider it ok when he does it. You have no proof Biden will be any worse than Trump foreign policy wise. He might be. I wouldn’t be surprised, Biden is a warmongering ****. But so is Trump and your refusal to admit that because he makes your privates tingle is pathetic.

Not sure what “lol DURRRRR look at dem commie countriez!!!” is supposed to mean when you’re referring to Marxist-Leninist countries. I hate Marxist-Leninists. I’m an anarchocommunist. Learn the difference, retard. And enough jacking off to Trump already. You’re embarrassing yourself.

[bladefd]

https://youtu.be/K4Ksoizbl2s

That's not entirely true though, that dopey loser fantasy of yours with the White House press secretary did catch my attention and I told you why not long ago.
But for the most part, you never bring any original thought and your opinion is always in line with CNN talking heads - I wish I could say it differently, but that's how it always end up when it's about Trump. You hardly ever answer any question where you are obviously pressed on your thought, but that's similar to quite a few other people on here - just glance over it, pretend it's not there, and come back later with a new personal attack. I get it, we're on a basketball board and I don't hold it against you that you talk about politics in the same way as discussing NBA.

I think it's not more than a few days ago you quoted one of my posts(I think it was you anyhow) and said "well conservatives usually think this" or some mindless shit like that which had no place in the conversation, as I don't have conservative values and I don't base my personality around political beliefs.
It's just empty talk really, trying to designate people into a certain set of opinions, which then fits into how you want to argue against those opinions.

I'll tell you what I care about long term:

1) Getting rid of career politicians who sell out to interests that are not for the people and thus create conflict.

2) Getting rid of legalized bribery.

3) Getting rid of the two party system.

My trolling here has been minimal, sometimes I'll put in a pepe or some energetic MAGA rhetoric to rile you up a bit, but that's all - not every post can be text only.

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/6c97c2dc-1f80-4ce0-a600-ad048bbb94ce_1.ffdafc7194b6abbc7bff875187bf2ca0.jp eg

I am with you on all 3 things. The way you go about arguing about all these conspiracies though makes me feel like you are of the exact opposite.

OK, Trump is not a career politician, but lobbying is what he has done his whole life to buy off career politicians to serve his personal interests by throwing around cash/favors & threatening lawsuits if they didn't fall in line. I don't understand how you can support a guy in Trump who has been right at center for decades tricking people with frauds like Trump university/Trump organization/his charity he was using to fill his pockets. His father was also a big-time lobbyist for decades himself bribing and buying off politicians. You are defending con-artists who have openly conned people for more than half a century. I can't understand why you are so taken by Trump, constantly defending him & coming to his defense almost like pattychew has been doing last 4yrs.

As far as Biden is concerned, I don't recall him accused of being in middle of potentially corrupt situations until the Ukraine/hunter stuff in 2015. He has been in the senate for decades - he is certainly establishment and too moderate for my taste - but he has been a respected senator by people on both sides of the aisle, who he has worked with on many bills. He had some questionable decisions like Iraq war vote but those are political blunders rather than corruption. We don't even have to go through Trump's history to know the guy has been corrupt his entire life.

As for the 2-party system, I don't know how you do that exactly. It's a problem that I don't have a solution for

[ZenMaster]

I am with you on all 3 things. The way you go about arguing about all these conspiracies though makes me feel like you are of the exact opposite.

OK, Trump is not a career politician, but lobbying is what he has done his whole life to buy off career politicians to serve his personal interests by throwing around cash/favors & threatening lawsuits if they didn't fall in line. I don't understand how you can support a guy in Trump who has been right at center for decades tricking people with frauds like Trump university/Trump organization/his charity he was using to fill his pockets. His father was also a big-time lobbyist for decades himself bribing and buying off politicians. You are defending con-artists who have openly conned people for more than half a century. I can't understand why you are so taken by Trump, constantly defending him & coming to his defense almost like pattychew has been doing last 4yrs.

As far as Biden is concerned, I don't recall him accused of being in middle of potentially corrupt situations until the Ukraine/hunter stuff in 2015. He has been in the senate for decades - he is certainly establishment and too moderate for my taste - but he has been a respected senator by people on both sides of the aisle, who he has worked with on many bills. He had some questionable decisions like Iraq war vote but those are political blunders rather than corruption. We don't even have to go through Trump's history to know the guy has been corrupt his entire life.

As for the 2-party system, I don't know how you do that exactly. It's a problem that I don't have a solution for

Alright, I think that's the most sincere post I've ever seen you write and I appreciate that, but ****ing hell it's going going to be a long response to explain myself on this.

Let's just start with the conspiracies, but you're going to have to get out of your mind a little and be ready to see things from a more objective level.
I'm confident that whenever you hear the words "conspiracy theory", it equates to "stories and lies", but for the sake of objectivity try and answer these questions, maybe not here, but just for yourself.

1) Is everything that happens reported in the media?
2) Does information never get out about things that happened but weren't reported in the media?

Not everything is a conspiracy, but people do people sometimes conspire to achieve certain objectives? Absolutely. It's not some grand concept and information that's classified exists as well, things that happened which we aren't supposed to know about.
I know you think "I take everything from 4chan as truth", but that's very far from real - what I consider reality is actually quite specific.
I'll have to go over some stuff that you consider crazy conspiracy theories, I'm not going to go and look for any of these documents or screenshots because I don't save that stuff, but I promise everything is something I've read and considered from multiple angles. I use both addition and deduction in my thought process, and I'm considerate that all of these theories might not be true or fully true.

The disdain I have for politicians since the 90's and up until now comes from the media aparatus they've managed to create. It's very impressive how it works and from the bottom of my heart, it's my belief that you're caught up in the information from this aparatus.
I remember your comment about Flynn "not being some outstanding citizen", but my opinion is that you're wrong on that. I know it's easy to distinguish him from just another General, but I promise you that it's very significant that he was head of the DIA.
One of the mans specialties is information warfare, in that context I also think you mentioned that he is "Q", so let's talk about that for a bit.

My personal theory on the Q stuff is this(and I didn't always believe this):

1) It's most likely an operation of people connected to Flynn. It's also very likely that at some point, someone else than the initial operators have posted as Q. I believe Q used to post on 4chan, but then moved to 8kun and it' there I think there's a good chance an administrator has made some post for personal gain and keeping his community growing.
I have considered if it's a psyop NOT to get people to do anything, but if that was the case I don't think the media would be trying to discredit it and I think Trump would have done a lot to talk negative about it himself, if not having it disrupted. Maybe there's an angle to that which is above my intelligence level.

[ZenMaster]

2) The operation of creating information to discredit the Q stuff is coming from the people of the previous administration and the opposing intelligence agencies, through the media and social media.
You've equated Q stuff to flat earth theories, OK, so if it's as laughable as that, then why is the media spreading signals that it's a danger to democracy - that seems off base.
Q is mixed over into the term Qanon through the media, done to create an automatic determination between anything relating to Q, also being about reptilians and child eaters. But those are separate theories from people(anons)(and maybe some from fake people).

The Q stuff is not precise, but if it really is an operation from people connected to Flynn, it is significant. And it's a bit crazy that the people who have been inserted into Pentagon leadership and intelligence recently, have all been specifically mentioned in Q posts over the last 3 years.
Try and think of it holistically and going back to before it was considered a movement - when it was just posts on a message board.
Through information, if you'd want to create a support that transcends traditional Republican support, how would you go about it?

No matter what has come from the Q posts in terms of being precise or not, it has definitely achieved to create that new movement where people don't necessarily support the Republican party as well as Trump.
Yes, the Christian angle has to be part of it, for better or worse. Just try and think of it all in terms of achieving the goal of creating a new movement - an objective in an information war.

Maybe my theory is wrong and Flynn is just a crazy grifter trying to make money through donation to his Defense Fund, but my opinion is that he doesn't seem like it. His language, his history and body language, he seems honest is best I can tell you.
If he wasn't part of this Q stuff, I would pay it no mind at all, but I was aware of Flynn's role in Benghazi long before Q was a thing. So until he’s a proved grifter, I’m putting my confidence in him and will stick to believing that the Q movement serves a greater good, I don’t have to be a part of facebook groups, follow it intensely or even believe the direct information to have that opinion.
If he is proven a grifter, I’ll change my mind on it.

About Trump, I see what you're saying, but it matters a lot to me that most of what you point out is something that Trump has been open about. Not all of it, but most of it.
I don't think Trump is the most amazing person ever, and I believe he did work with the NY mafia for his buildings, probably had to give contracts to certain companies.
The thing about it is, everything he did has led to it being possible for him to become President. If he doesn't bribe those politicians(through the legalized system, which again, he's been open about), he never gets in a position to become the President in the first place. And if it's the biggest deal to you that he paid these bribes(donations), why aren't willing to apply the same standard to the people who took his money?

I think this new movement and Trump is the potential seed to get rid of the two party system.
It might not be achievable in our lifetime, but we can at least take the first steps to make it happen for the next generations.
Think of it in terms of being a process where people's minds have to be opened and they have to get angry about some mechanics that has been created. Simply getting people to open their minds a bit in terms of things not having to be done a certain way.
Trump would be the first step, maybe not the most optimal one, but the one at hand, simply because he's a loud mouth who calls out politicians directly. How are you going to get rid of term limits, if you vote for someone who doesn't talk about it and have been a politician for 50 years?
People need to demand it, but for that to happen, they need to be aware - I believe the guy who openly call other politicians "rhinos" is the right way to go in a larger context.
He also stood on stage and explained why the US political system is "rotten" because of the donations(legalized bribery), why he had to be part of it. Came off as very honest to me and the old Oprah Winfrey interview I find significant as well, same as with Flynn, I sense a sincerity in his voice at the time.

As for Biden. All these politicians have done a good job of legalizing and hiding the corruption. But go check their bank accounts vs official salaries, hundreds of millions.
Their money combined with the power they hold in unity, make them part of the elites, which is also evident in the people they mingle with - and they should be politicians for the people.
There are lots of cases that we know about, but for sure also plenty that we don't. The China stuff is major as well as their operation in Ukraine, but we also know that James Biden got a 1.5 billion contract after the Iraq war.

[pew]

Sure.. Biden has hundreds of millions but said he almost had to sell his house to help his cancer stricken son? I’m not from America but from what I’ve seen of him, Biden seems like a stand up guy. I thought American law was all about innocent until proven guilty? When did America get so nasty and cynical that you assume every politician (or anyone famous in fact) is corrupt and full of conspiracist motives? What happened to the God-loving country that sees all humankind as innately good? From what I see on this board, everyone is so suspicious, of everything.

[ZenMaster]

And blade, even though the electors officially voted for Trump yesterday, I'll still wait and see what happens with a fairly hopeful attitude. I'll tell you why, but it's going to be some hot conspiracy shit in your mind.

Anyways, follow mere here:

A couple of days ago, it was announced that a company program called SolarWind has been hacked, they say bye someone foreign. This is a major company used by the government and most Forbes500 companies. Hack didn't happen yesterday, someone has had access since, I believe, April
The way I understand it, one of the things SolarWind does is provide large scale network monitoring. It's quite a big deal this hack, but it's technical stuff.
I didn't post about it here because I wasn't sure of the implications and it was just people trying to make a big deal out of nothing.

Anyways, one of the companies that SolarWind provided this service for is Dominion and I saw a screenshot of a tweet, referring to a story about Trump sending US Marshalls and FBI to raid SolarWind in Texas.
A while later, a tweet is posted by someone, I believe a blue mark leftist, asking the following:
If US Marshall just raided SolarWind, does that mean Trump just obtained all the data flows of the Dominion machines and to the various servers?

Later, in a thread on 4chan about the hack, someone pops in and says the following over a few posts:
1) He has the data and have been going through it.
2) They have definitive proof of electronic vote switching. There was a system opening used by someone foreign, but they don't know from where.
3) PA is very dirty with vote switching all over, but GA was more clean with it only happening in a few areas.
4) This is way more important than Trump, the software has been used to control elections at all levels for years.
5) They've asked him to do Florida next, but he wants to do Michigan. They are short on time.
6) That he's been writing affidavits on livestream for the last two hours. That doesn't want to give it away, but can probably be found from some of the information he shared about the data file names.

Someone then finds the livestream not long after, and what do you know, he's really sitting there writing new fresh affidavits. You can hear his thought process about it all and how he proves it. I'm a math dummy, but I like he how he goes through it and his confidence is great.

How ****ing interesting is that, huh? There's 80 some hours of video with him completing this process for PA and GA over the last week by the way, what a patriot.


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[ZenMaster]

Again, I keep telling you, your hero Trump massively increased drone strikes so he almost certainly led to far more civilian deaths than Obama. He also started bombing Niger, refused to stop assisting genocide in Yemen, left the Kurds to be slaughtered without warning them, and has probably assassinated two prominent Iranians, massively antagonizing the biggest country in the Middle East. If you want to argue Obama was even worse, sure definitely an argument given how many wars he started. He did pull a lot of troops out though and made the switch to drone warfare, which is what Trump has been doing far more and you seem to consider it ok when he does it. You have no proof Biden will be any worse than Trump foreign policy wise. He might be. I wouldnÂ’t be surprised, Biden is a warmongering ****. But so is Trump and your refusal to admit that because he makes your privates tingle is pathetic.

It's much more intricate than just comparing drone strike numbers:

1) ISIS came to power while Obama was doing his strikes, vs it being fought down in Trumps strike.
Obama and Bush admins did all that war, hunting the Taleban, looking for Bin Laden, fighting for freedom and democracy in the middle east. Only for fking ISIS to rise, seemingly out of nowhere. Throughout this, they leave Iran alone, even though it's the highest threat of the countries there.
Truth is that Obama admin helped create ISIS, giving weapons and training "moderate terrorists", who then would join ISIS. Over and over this happened. ISIS was fighting Assad.. I don't know if they were given money, but they were allowed to sell their oil on the black market without anyone bombing their convoys.
Now, you'll find people in big cities in Europe, who sometimes sport ISIS sweaters..Awesome.
These things are the reason Hillary deleted her emails btw, not giving a shit about which court under told her not to - all that gun running..

2) "Starting a war" is not just some talking point. What is left out of your equation in the drone strikes, is all the strikes of the allies from which the Obama admin was conjuring up support.
France, UK, Italy, Germany, Denmark etc bombed the hell out of Libya and then Syria, F16's and F-18 Superhornets out of Sicicily, day after day until they ran out of bombs and had to tone it down in periods of resupplying.
Those countries don't go to war there unless they feel like they have to, being allies of the US.

3) Technology has evolved even more when it comes to drone capability since Obama admin. Though that's definitely the weakest argument.

No, the situation doesn't offer "proof" that Biden is going to do anything, it's not a court of law.
Trump has been consistent that Iran is a bad country for a long time, references their work towards nuclear, which he's very much against.


Not sure what “lol DURRRRR look at dem commie countriez!!!” is supposed to mean when you’re referring to Marxist-Leninist countries. I hate Marxist-Leninists. I’m an anarchocommunist. Learn the difference, retard. And enough jacking off to Trump already. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Noone cares what kind of communist you are this week. I don't know if some stranger handed you a new pamphlet outside your last meeting showing you the true kind of communism, or if you went to the library and read a book you hadn't seen before. But it doesn't matter, all your knowledge can't be gained through words, you have to get out and experience as well.
Maybe you'll find that communism can't be achieved because it's against a big part of human nature. What role do you have in your utopia, are you someone who matters, or are you designated to refilling public hand sanitizer stations?

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[kabar]

Look at all that trash. Amazing how much garbage one idiot can write. :oldlol:

[Jasper]

Republican house leader Mac- congrad's Biden for winning the electoral college ... now if you can trust what
Trump said a month ago , he said he would concede then ... .
Let's see what the loser does : man up or be less than a tworp

[RRR3]

This dude wants to go to war with Iran and expects me to take him seriously :oldlol:

[bladefd]

Zenmaster-

I don't put any stock into Q/Qanon. To me, it's been nonsense and just the new version of the Tea party back in 07-2012 with crazies like Michele Bachmann/Sarah Palin/etc, I bet a lot of the people are probably the same. I don't take them seriously at present.

Sure, I blame people who took money from Trump to advance his cons and frauds. I blame those people too. I recall Bill Clinton was friends with Trump in 00s - I don't know if he took money from Trump, but if he did then shame on him. Trump was a Democrat before he became a Republican - but technically he is neither. Trump is about Trump. He doesn't give 2 sh!ts about America or anyone other than himself. Maybe he cares about Ivanka and maybe couple more of his kids, but even then it's about him ultimately. Until you realize that fact, you will be stuck in dream world where Trump is a wonderful Christian man who cares about others & is a force for good. He is not actually one of the good guys like conservatives or even Qanon have been led to believe.

Trump is not the seed for anything other than chaos and narcissism. Donald Trump is a fraudulent ill man with a massive ego who is only out for Donald Trump (and I guess his kids as I said).

What corruption was Biden known or accused of before 2015? Technically, Republicans didn't make a fuss about the Ukraine comments Biden had made back in 2016 until like 2018 when rumors began of him potentially running for president. Ukraine/Burisma stuff didn't truly go into high-gear until after March 2019 when Biden joined the race & Trump felt threatened. Why weren't the Republicans/conservatives saying anything before March 2019 if it was such a huge deal corruption? Where was the outcry then?

[bladefd]

As for SolarWind.. Looks like more conspiracy nonsense stuff in line with Hunter Biden's laptop. Giuliani said he would be presenting some very damning things from the laptop a week before the election & you were all excited posting stuff from 4chan/twitter like the Asian guy talking for 15 mins of all of these things they got from the laptop. We are still waiting for it 6 weeks after the election. Where is it, zenmaster?

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[Cleverness]

Why on earth would I think Howie Hawkins was a war criminal? He’s anti-war. Stop throwing a tantrum because I gave factual evidence of your loverboy’s war crimes, Jesus.

I said policies. I don't have any "loverboys" like you, but Ron Paul is/was my fav policitian. And in case you haven't noticed, I think Trump sucks.

[Cleverness]

@RRR3 Sorry, I just read more about Howie Hawkins' foreign policy plans. Much much much better than Biden/Trump. :cheers:

[ZenMaster]

Zenmaster-

I don't put any stock into Q/Qanon. To me, it's been nonsense and just the new version of the Tea party back in 07-2012 with crazies like Michele Bachmann/Sarah Palin/etc, I bet a lot of the people are probably the same. I don't take them seriously at present.

Sure, I blame people who took money from Trump to advance his cons and frauds. I blame those people too. I recall Bill Clinton was friends with Trump in 00s - I don't know if he took money from Trump, but if he did then shame on him. Trump was a Democrat before he became a Republican - but technically he is neither. Trump is about Trump. He doesn't give 2 sh!ts about America or anyone other than himself. Maybe he cares about Ivanka and maybe couple more of his kids, but even then it's about him ultimately. Until you realize that fact, you will be stuck in dream world where Trump is a wonderful Christian man who cares about others & is a force for good. He is not actually one of the good guys like conservatives or even Qanon have been led to believe.

Trump is not the seed for anything other than chaos and narcissism. Donald Trump is a fraudulent ill man with a massive ego who is only out for Donald Trump (and I guess his kids as I said).

What corruption was Biden known or accused of before 2015? Technically, Republicans didn't make a fuss about the Ukraine comments Biden had made back in 2016 until like 2018 when rumors began of him potentially running for president. Ukraine/Burisma stuff didn't truly go into high-gear until after March 2019 when Biden joined the race & Trump felt threatened. Why weren't the Republicans/conservatives saying anything before March 2019 if it was such a huge deal corruption? Where was the outcry then?

Qanon stuff, most of it is nonsense, but it doesn't mean it can't serve a purpose.

The fact that your last point is about Republicans/conservatives, when I've outlined I don't care about those political games, is sad.
No one was known for anything about corruption up until recently, because the establishment is a big club that takes care of each other and bribery has been legalized.


As for SolarWind.. Looks like more conspiracy nonsense stuff in line with Hunter Biden's laptop. Giuliani said he would be presenting some very damning things from the laptop a week before the election & you were all excited posting stuff from 4chan/twitter like the Asian guy talking for 15 mins of all of these things they got from the laptop. We are still waiting for it 6 weeks after the election. Where is it, zenmaster?

You had one good post, but I see it's back to a dumbass normal self quickly.

I've posted content from the Biden laptop, you kept looking the other way and said "nothing proven".

There was audio of him calling a Chinese spy chief his partner.
There were documents of whole company structures, including partnership between the CCP and Biden family.
Proof that all the money towards that partnership company was coming from the CCP.
There were private Chinese loan agreements for Hunter, loans that were never paid back(and weren't supposed to).

SolarWind being hacked definitely happened, that's not some conspiracy theory: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/12/solarwinds-hack-could-affect-18k-customers/
And the guy's definitely writing those affidavits, you can see that for yourself in all his recent videos.

[ZenMaster]

From somewhere else blade, but it pretty much sums up my wait and see status here for the next few days. If nothing happens when this report comes from Rattcliffe, it'll be over.


John Ratcliffe is the Director of National Intelligence. He was put in this seat by Trump in May, 2020.
We need to try to understand what kind of man he is, because his report (deadline in LESS THAN 2 WEEKS) will be groundbreaking, whether it confirms or denies foreign election interference.
If you've been following the election news, you might have noticed him fighting tirelessly against the MSM propaganda, and described as a Trump loyalist.
Does this mean he is 100% a patriot that's going to side with Trump (and this nation)? Who knows - we've been fooled before, and we do not know who is compromised and who isn't. Remember Jeff Sessions? William Barr? John Duram?
Well, lets try to learn more about him.

John served in the field a long time, but one of the most important positions he had - Chairman of CyberSecurity and Infrastructure Subcommittee. This means he knows about cyber warfare.
Remember that in his 2018 Executive Order, Trump designated Election Infrastructure as critical? Now you know why Trump has chosen the guy.
I wont get into all his credentials here, but they are quite impressive - and they do indicate he is, more likely than not, a patriot.

Just a few days ago in the WSJ, the guy published an OpEd titled "China Is National Security Threat #1" - one which sent shock-waves throughout the MSM. Here are some select passages:

"The intelligence is clear - Beijing intends to dominate US and the rest of the planet.
Militarily, economically, and technologically.
Many of China's major public initiatives and prominent companies offer only a thin layer camouflage to the activities of the CCP.
US intelligence shows China has even conducted human testing on the members of the People's Liberation Army in hopes of developing soldiers of biological enhanced capabilities."

Some of the above was considered crazy just a year ago - back then, Mike reported on the "Chinese Super-soldiers" initiative, and was called just that. Ratcliffe ran with it in the WSJ.

"This year, China engaged in a massive influence campaign. It included targeting dozens of people in Congress, and congressional aids.
[..] I brief the House and Senate intelligence committee that China has targeted members of congress with 6 times the frequency of Russia, and 12 times the frequency of Iran."

He also said in another interview that they've been succeeding. Which, looking at Congress, seems to be true.

He also said he has produced thousands of declassified documents for special counsel John Durham to use - to prosecute Obama Era officials who violated the law in spying on Trump officials.

Then, in a 20 minute interview on Fox News (eww) a few days ago (which you really should listen to), he said "if there is a Joe Biden administration".
Why did he say this? BECAUSE HE'S IN THE KNOW. He knows what's going on.
Listen to the interview - he's been talking about ALL the threats related to China (even 5G is in there!).

Given all he knows, does it sound like a guy who's going to turn America over to China?
Now, we don't know him as well as Trump, so we can only judge what he's saying - but, from what he's saying, he sounds like a guy who's gonna defend this country.
His report is coming out as late as Dec 18th.
On a related note, Barr's report about the Obama officials comes out as late as Dec 19th. On the tiny off chance that he's been playing a fool all along, he might release a similar report, which also includes the Obama era traitors. Don't hold your hopes up for this one, though- but it CAN happen.

That being said, Ratcliffe may pull a Sessions, stab Trump in the back, and report something along the lines of "This was actually the most secure election in the US history!".
Well, if that happens, we might lose some public opinion, but at least know that he is a snake, and he would likely be added to the traitor list when the IA is invoked (this scenario would almost certainly lead to that).

So, this is pretty much it.

[Real Men Wear Green]

And blade, even though the electors officially voted for Trump yesterday, I'll still wait and see what happens with a fairly hopeful attitude.

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[ZenMaster]

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Yeah you're 99% for sure right, nothing will happen and the report will be a dud. Government will change in a month and the US go back to selling out to China slowly but surely. Not the outcome I wanted of the election obviously, but it is what it is.

[MMM]

The military should be involved if fraud took place. Another election should take place post virus

[bladefd]

Qanon stuff, most of it is nonsense, but it doesn't mean it can't serve a purpose.

The fact that your last point is about Republicans/conservatives, when I've outlined I don't care about those political games, is sad.
No one was known for anything about corruption up until recently, because the establishment is a big club that takes care of each other and bribery has been legalized.



You had one good post, but I see it's back to a dumbass normal self quickly.

I've posted content from the Biden laptop, you kept looking the other way and said "nothing proven".

There was audio of him calling a Chinese spy chief his partner.
There were documents of whole company structures, including partnership between the CCP and Biden family.
Proof that all the money towards that partnership company was coming from the CCP.
There were private Chinese loan agreements for Hunter, loans that were never paid back(and weren't supposed to).

SolarWind being hacked definitely happened, that's not some conspiracy theory: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/12/solarwinds-hack-could-affect-18k-customers/
And the guy's definitely writing those affidavits, you can see that for yourself in all his recent videos.

Nobody was known for corruption until recently? :facepalm

Yeah, what you posted doesn't prove hunter Biden is a pedo. It also doesn't prove that Joe Biden was involved in the Chinese payoff. I know you will reference the "big guy", but we don't actually know that is Joe Biden. If hunter is involved, investigate and charge him. :confusedshrug:

Giuliani was supposed to leak some more of the laptop stuff for Trump to win the election over Joe Biden. We are still waiting for the damning stuff against grandpa Joe. Joe has also released like a decade's worth of taxes. Still waiting for Trump to release his after claiming for past 5yrs it's under audit.

SolarWind hack I'm sure happened, but will they expose fraudulent votes that will end up in Trump 2nd term?

I'm referring to this part:
"Later, in a thread on 4chan about the hack, someone pops in and says the following over a few posts:
1) He has the data and have been going through it.
2) They have definitive proof of electronic vote switching. There was a system opening used by someone foreign, but they don't know from where.
3) PA is very dirty with vote switching all over, but GA was more clean with it only happening in a few areas.
4) This is way more important than Trump, the software has been used to control elections at all levels for years.
5) They've asked him to do Florida next, but he wants to do Michigan. They are short on time.
6) That he's been writing affidavits on livestream for the last two hours. That doesn't want to give it away, but can probably be found from some of the information he shared about the data file names.

Someone then finds the livestream not long after, and what do you know, he's really sitting there writing new fresh affidavits. You can hear his thought process about it all and how he proves it. I'm a math dummy, but I like he how he goes through it and his confidence is great. "

That sounds like crazy conspiracy to me of something you found on 4chan that will change the tides now. They got Biden now!! Right down the Giuliani street 2 weeks before the election of all these leaks he had supposedly coming out. You were convinced that Joe Biden was finished once Giuliani and Trump lawyers released all the laptop stuff.. Alas, we are still waiting on the great & brilliant Giuliani.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Proof should be involved if fraud took place. Fixed

[ZenMaster]

Nobody was known for corruption until recently? :facepalm

Butchered that sentence..

Your story that Joe told, about him maybe needing to sell his house to pay the bills, that's some hardcore BS from his side. Which one of his houses was he talking about?



Yeah, what you posted doesn't prove hunter Biden is a pedo. It also doesn't prove that Joe Biden was involved in the Chinese payoff. I know you will reference the "big guy", but we don't actually know that is Joe Biden. If hunter is involved, investigate and charge him. :confusedshrug:

I never said it did, though it did prove that Hunter is highly sexual in front of his niece, and that's in his own words.

Your talking point about "the big guy" I think it's just weak. Literally everything logical points to Joe is the guy referenced AND a former business partner of theirs went of TV and said that yes, Joe is indeed "the big guy".


Giuliani was supposed to leak some more of the laptop stuff for Trump to win the election over Joe Biden. We are still waiting for the damning stuff against grandpa Joe. Joe has also released like a decade's worth of taxes. Still waiting for Trump to release his after claiming for past 5yrs it's under audit.

And he did, but there's the thing, in todays world where media is king this is how it works:
1) If something isn't investigated.
2) MSM either isn't talking about or saying that it's not true
3) Various members of government are saying that it's not true.

Then it's automatically a fake conspiracy theory..

All social media blocked out the Hunter story, even blocking people from even sending the link to the NY Post story privately and closing accounts of people who tried to post it publicly.
Government officials went on TV and the talking heads there took their lead and started calling it Russian disinformation.

Back then, I wrote how ****ed up it was that the FBI had sat on this laptop for year without doing any investigation(corruption). Your response and what was in your focus was that the story of the mac repair dude doesn't add up, looks like Russian disinfo.

Here we are today, with you literally trying to talk this off on any technicality you can find, using the fact that no investigation was made to back up your belief that the Biden family isn't corrupt.
Also, now Hunter is being investigated, well not even, apparently it's just a "probe" for the minimum they can find and isolated from any connection to Joe - they can get away with not looking into more, because half the country think it's fake news that they're corrupt and took Chinese money.

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SolarWind hack I'm sure happened, but will they expose fraudulent votes that will end up in Trump 2nd term?

I'm referring to this part:
"Later, in a thread on 4chan about the hack, someone pops in and says the following over a few posts:
1) He has the data and have been going through it.
2) They have definitive proof of electronic vote switching. There was a system opening used by someone foreign, but they don't know from where.
3) PA is very dirty with vote switching all over, but GA was more clean with it only happening in a few areas.
4) This is way more important than Trump, the software has been used to control elections at all levels for years.
5) They've asked him to do Florida next, but he wants to do Michigan. They are short on time.
6) That he's been writing affidavits on livestream for the last two hours. That doesn't want to give it away, but can probably be found from some of the information he shared about the data file names.

Someone then finds the livestream not long after, and what do you know, he's really sitting there writing new fresh affidavits. You can hear his thought process about it all and how he proves it. I'm a math dummy, but I like he how he goes through it and his confidence is great. "

That sounds like crazy conspiracy to me of something you found on 4chan that will change the tides now. They got Biden now!! Right down the Giuliani street 2 weeks before the election of all these leaks he had supposedly coming out. You were convinced that Joe Biden was finished once Giuliani and Trump lawyers released all the laptop stuff.. Alas, we are still waiting on the great & brilliant Giuliani.

Joe Biden should have been finished, and if any of the analysis of the data by the guy is correct, it means that Joe indeed was finished and they cheated for his win.
I'm very skeptical that they'll actually find a way to stop the machine that just wants to move forward and pretend no cheating happened in the election, or that we for whatever reason shouldn't do anything about fixing it until the next election.
The guy is confident in his work though, which I like, he's also not monetizing it and you can't donate to him. I saw someone ask on one of his streams how they could support him, someone else replied that he had written some random book you could buy through Amazon, but the guy himself was quick to say please not promote anything on his behalf, this is about the election.
It's a good thing when there's no money involved.

The guy had had a copy for a while, but the thing about him popping into that thread I saw for myself as it happened. The SolarWind question was separate from that thread though and I'm not sure where he has his copy of the data from.
But again, if no court hears his case, if no investigation is done by any agency, if no congress members question the results officially on the floor and if the media says there was 100% no fraud, then it won't matter.

He's doing Michigan now, seriously, try and take a few minutes and hear him go over some of these batches of absentee ballots counted late at night at the TCF Center in Detroit, many of them have thousands of Biden votes and 20-40ish for Trump. They're from the same time period as when poll observers has testified of being harassed and told to go home(remember the testimony from the Chinese poll observer I posted back then?)

https://youtu.be/EzfMb8nhyjY?t=3417

In your mind blade, what would be proof that Joe Biden has made policy decisions in favor of China for personal gain?
What would be proof that election fraud took place?

[ZenMaster]

https://twitter.com/beyouonlybetter/status/1339292353014755330


This photo was taken moments ago by a poll watcher at the Congress Center in GA for the “signature audit”

This is his vantage point. He cannot see anything and they are being kept corralled behind these barriers.

How is this any different than before?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpYfS1SXMAU5Ukz?format=jpg&name=900x900

[ZenMaster]

https://youtu.be/93KuHgL52B0

[ZenMaster]

https://youtu.be/grs3FcgTAwE

[bladefd]

Trump lawyers or DOJ folks or someone will have to establish in court with evidence that Joe was involved with Hunter in the corruption. Until that point, none of it matters under our system where you are innocent until proven guilty. I don't want to turn it into about Trump, but that's what Trump fans were saying during the Mueller investigation ("innocent until proven guilty").

Easy to blame the mass media when you don't have anything to show up to court with. The judges determine those cases, not the media.



I don't care what you saw or read on 4chan/twitter. Anything that has you referring to 4chan or quoting some user on 4chan is meaningless.

Biden should have been finished.. Shoulda, coulda, woulda.

As for that video, I opened it and saw it's 7hrs long. I watched for 2mins and closed it. I don't have all day to sit here watching through that. If Edward Solomon has something, tell him to present it in court rather than on youtube/4chan/twitter.

"In your mind blade, what would be proof that Joe Biden has made policy decisions in favor of China for personal gain?
What would be proof that election fraud took place?"

He probably has made policy decisions in favor of China. I don't care enough to go searching for it. I don't have the energy. Present it to me or better yet take it to court. I'm powerless - nobody cares if I believe you or not. I'm just a private citizen. Me getting outraged isn't going to change anything. Yes, it's cynical way of looking at things, but it's the truth.

What would be the proof of mass election fraud? You would need probably at least a few hundred thousand votes per 4/5 states or a couple million votes to flip nationwide. Not 2,000 votes in a state but 200k in a state, something massive. Then it has to happen across multiple states, not 1 or 2. It has to be a handful of states. I told you few days after the election - do an audit in those 5 states (Mi, Wi, Pa, Ga, Az). I'm not against that. Ga had partial audit & so did Wisconsin in couple counties, but you don't trust it - okay audit all 5 states. Trump/RNC would have to pay 30-40mill or probably more to audit that 5 full states. It can't be out of tax-money.

[bladefd]

https://youtu.be/93KuHgL52B0

Johnson is raging about his boy Trump getting tossed out of office. Just a bunch of butt-hurt people going crazy because their guy lost. Remember Democrats getting upset in 2016? Well now Republicans have 2020. Enjoy it, Republicans.

[ZenMaster]

Trump lawyers or DOJ folks or someone will have to establish in court with evidence that Joe was involved with Hunter in the corruption. Until that point, none of it matters under our system where you are innocent until proven guilty. I don't want to turn it into about Trump, but that's what Trump fans were saying during the Mueller investigation ("innocent until proven guilty").

Easy to blame the mass media when you don't have anything to show up to court with. The judges determine those cases, not the media.



I don't care what you saw or read on 4chan/twitter. Anything that has you referring to 4chan or quoting some user on 4chan is meaningless.

Biden should have been finished.. Shoulda, coulda, woulda.

As for that video, I opened it and saw it's 7hrs long. I watched for 2mins and closed it. I don't have all day to sit here watching through that. If Edward Solomon has something, tell him to present it in court rather than on youtube/4chan/twitter.

"In your mind blade, what would be proof that Joe Biden has made policy decisions in favor of China for personal gain?
What would be proof that election fraud took place?"

He probably has made policy decisions in favor of China. I don't care enough to go searching for it. I don't have the energy. Present it to me or better yet take it to court. I'm powerless - nobody cares if I believe you or not. I'm just a private citizen. Me getting outraged isn't going to change anything. Yes, it's cynical way of looking at things, but it's the truth.

What would be the proof of mass election fraud? You would need probably at least a few hundred thousand votes per 4/5 states or a couple million votes to flip nationwide. Not 2,000 votes in a state but 200k in a state, something massive. Then it has to happen across multiple states, not 1 or 2. It has to be a handful of states. I told you few days after the election - do an audit in those 5 states (Mi, Wi, Pa, Ga, Az). I'm not against that. Ga had partial audit & so did Wisconsin in couple counties, but you don't trust it - okay audit all 5 states. Trump/RNC would have to pay 30-40mill or probably more to audit that 5 full states. It can't be out of tax-money.

it doesn't matter where I saw it, it's completely meaningless, the point is the guy in the video is doing the research which shows the election was rigged and writing the affidavits for it. It's not my fault if a corrupt justice system won't even listen to the case.
Yes the video is 7 hours long, I told you there's over 80hrs of video from the last week of him doing the complete analysis on PA + GA and getting the affidavits submitted.

Ehh, if everyone were outraged and never voted for Biden, he wouldn't be a politician - that's the power private citizens have, or should have at least because this election is showing otherwise.

What would be evidence that in your mind is meaningful enough, for votes to be flipped?
To me, e.g the video of the votes being counted in Atlanta with no election official and observers tricked into leaving while they were still processing votes, that means those votes should be removed until the whole process there has been thoroughly investigated. But you've dismissed that.

If "evidence" to you can only be that a judge has to take a case and flip votes, I think you live solely by authoritarian standards

I've mentioned this before, but the point is not "what you're OK with". The people you support are actively working against meaningful audits and investigations.

But like you say yourself, you don't have time to look at the evidence, couldn't even give the guy 10 minutes. If you'd say you don't understand data analysis I'd believe that, but if you don't have any time to look at anything, then there's really no point in discussing.


Johnson is raging about his boy Trump getting tossed out of office. Just a bunch of butt-hurt people going crazy because their guy lost. Remember Democrats getting upset in 2016? Well now Republicans have 2020. Enjoy it, Republicans.

Yes, it's not like it actually happened or anything, that these people actually went to the media and claimed it was Russian disinformation and that you immediately spread the same sentiment here, not at all. It's not like there isn't a screenshot of news articles from the same publications comparing to then and now is right here in the thread either, not at all.

No point in going further, you are blind. Take it easy friend.


https://youtu.be/Mb2pVuXHjlg?t=59

[RRR3]

This dude really thinks it’s inconceivable someone as widely hated as Donald Trump could lose an election :biggums:

[Jasper]

This dude really thinks it’s inconceivable someone as widely hated as Donald Trump could lose an election :biggums::applause:

you have to laugh ... this thread is all full of jokers , that think crap they have gotten is true.
just have to laugh :roll::roll:

[TheMan]

This dude really thinks itÂ’s inconceivable someone as widely hated as Donald Trump could lose an election :biggums:
:crazysam:

[Nanners]

This dude really thinks it’s inconceivable someone as widely hated as Donald Trump could lose an election :biggums:

If were gonna be attacking strawmen...

This dude (a supposed bernie supporter) really thinks its inconceivable that the democrats could have cheated in an election :biggums:

[RRR3]

If were gonna be attacking strawmen...

This dude (a supposed bernie supporter) really thinks its inconceivable that the democrats could have cheated in an election :biggums:
The DNC controls the primary they don’t control the election. Some of the states in question are also controlled by republicans. Which isn’t a great argument actually since I’m sure plenty of republican politicians would rather have Biden in office since he’s essentially a Republican. I never said no cheating occurred but this is not analogous to what happened to Bernie and quite frankly Trump and Biden are two sides of the same coin so who cares?

[Nanners]

The DNC controls the primary they don’t control the election. Some of the states in question are also controlled by republicans. Which isn’t a great argument actually since I’m sure plenty of republican politicians would rather have Biden in office since he’s essentially a Republican. I never said no cheating occurred but this is not analogous to what happened to Bernie and quite frankly Trump and Biden are two sides of the same coin so who cares?

No shit... and Zen never said that its inconceivable that Trump lost.

My point was that if you have an issue with what Zen or another poster is saying, try responding to their actual words instead of putting words in their mouth

[FKAri]

I heard some new evidence came to light today or yesterday where some company in Italy had a hand in rigging the election. Anyone know the details?

[Nanners]

I heard some new evidence came to light today or yesterday where some company in Italy had a hand in rigging the election. Anyone know the details?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUZ_1br9I1I

[TheMan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUZ_1br9I1I

I could have you a pinky toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon...with nailpolish, fukking amatuers

[Nanners]

I could have you a pinky toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon...with nailpolish, fukking amatuers

Yeah? well, thats just like your opinion, man...

[Mr. Woke]

Widespread voter fraud was always a myth.

LOL at dumbass MAGAtards!