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Shogon
12-17-2020, 10:13 AM
I really don't care to get into the left vs right bullshit, so please don't hijack this thread with such garbage. Please, I'm begging you. I know it will fall on some deaf ears, but I ask nonetheless. And please try not to get caught in the weeds of specific media stories. I am trying to discuss the big picture here, not individual instances or individual narratives unless they are used to support your overall stance/thoughts. Here we go...




Surely a generous portion of us should be able to discern by now that the media today is completely off the chain and reporting accuracy and integrity is no where near the forefront of the decision making process to run with a story or not. All it takes is a look at a broadcast from 40 years ago to see how far we've strayed in terms of how the news is reported and the frequency. I mean it's bad enough to the point that you could often make the case that their actions are bordering on treason.

1) I think that we, as a society, need to identify the specifics of what is happening and why this is the case.

2) I think that we, as a society, need to determine what steps we can take to rectify this problem.

And make no mistake about it, it is a major problem. It might actually be the single biggest problem that our country faces today, because if information is controlled in an effective manner, so are people. Most of us are easily influenced and we let our emotions guide our thoughts rather than sitting down, taking a breath, and analyzing situations and information objectively before jumping to a conclusion. Given that as truth, it should be crystal clear as to why this is such an important topic of discussion. Given that this is how we act, the media has the ability to, in a sense, shape our world views lest we remain vigilant. I think it's a tough ask to assume that the entire population is capable of changing their emotional behavior at this present time.

So to point 1... given the premise that the media is purposefully emotionally inflammatory in 2020 is true, why is this the case? From my perspective, there are more media sources to choose from than ever before. While this may seem like a good thing on a surface level, I think all media outlets in today's world face immense pressure to generate ratings in order to be able to stay in business due to such high levels of competition has actually resulted in a net negative. In other words, they almost have to be inflammatory assholes otherwise their doors are going to shut down because we aren't going to consume their product.

This means clickbait headlines, skewing the truth, reporting before verifying, and even narrative painting are commonplace today. Narrative painting is something that I see on the regular. And by that I mean media outlets are often reporting factually true events in such a way that individual truth(s) is(are) used to paint an overall false representation of objective reality. A false bigger picture. It also means that increasing level of conjecture has become prevalent with 'reporting.' Gone are the days of unemotional reporting sticking to factual information. Most outlets nowadays have people inserting their opinions, their political biases and their agendas into stories and reporting them as if they're fact rather than the conjecture that it so obviously is. I think the reason this is the case is because the outlets all know, to tie back into the profit driven above all costs idea, that it's good for business.

As best I can tell, the 24/7 news cycle starting in the 80s/90s was the start of all of this and gasoline was really poured over the fire in huge quantities with the advent of the internet and in particular, smartphones that follow people around in their pockets 24/7/365. The internet really brought about people being able to 'report' whatever they want to report and it has caused a major snowball effect with television and printed media as well towards intentionally inflammatory reporting.

Summary: new technology and increased competition has resulted in fact based reporting falling to the wayside in favor of emotionally inflammatory reporting because that is what we as a species choose to consume and the media outlets that would stray from the modern model would ultimately go out of business due to massive revenue/ratings loss.


That leads me to point 2... what can we do about this? We can pass or rectify current legislation. I personally think this is somewhat dangerous because freedom of the press is an integral part of having any type of free society. If we're not careful and we regulate reporting too much, they essentially become nothing but propaganda puppets for the state. It's a slippery slope and a tough tightrope to walk between free reporting and state controlled narrative bullshit.

Ultimately I think that the burden of responsibility is going to end up on the consumer. The consumer has to become educated about the fact that the media outlets are not working in the favor of the consumer and they are not working for the consumer's overall well being as an individual. The outlets are simply trying to generate revenue to stay in business. And thus the consumer has to stop consuming the products that are clearly emotionally inflammatory bullshit. The problem with this, for now, is that a substantial amount of people don't recognize it, and even the large number of people that do recognize it still mostly choose to consume it and they don't care because they like getting caught up in the emotionally inflammatory bullshit.

So how do we get from point a to b of having an educated consumer base that tunes this bullshit out and forces the market's hand to self correct back towards objective fact based reporting? The truth is I don't know. I am not entirely sure what to do other than to sit by and let the passage of time rectify the situation.

But I personally would like to be able to help lead others to the truth so that our society is better for it. I just don't know how to get through to people and to change minds and hearts. What to do, ISH, what to do.

Nanners
12-17-2020, 10:43 AM
What do you mean "restore" integrity? That implies that the media ever had integrity in the first place.

Americans were calling the fake mainstream media "yellow" all the way back in the late 1800s when hearst and pulitzer were propagandizing the public into supporting the spanish-american war. Distrust in the media has been going on for over a century in the US, and historically speaking it goes all the way back to ancient civilizations like Rome.

Anyway, IMO the only thing that can be done about this is teaching americans how to think critically and identify bullshit. Legislating "honesty" or whatever seems unconstitutional... and even if it was possible to write a law for this the politicians who vote on our legislation are owned by the same wealthy interests that own the media.

Even if there was legislation mandating that the media tells the truth, that alone wouldnt fix their integrity problem. Theres no way to legislate trust, it has to be earned... and it takes real time and effort to earn trust.

diamenz
12-17-2020, 10:45 AM
tldr - no offense. but from a political standpoint, as long as we keep voting in democrats & republicans, the media will continue to treat us like the fools we are... feeding us the same bullshit narratives over and over. they're just telling us what we want to hear, and that's... what people want anyway. their minds are made up that one side good, other side bad. we continue to tune in and nod our heads. it's OUR fault, not theirs.

Jasper
12-17-2020, 11:06 AM
What do you mean "restore" integrity? That implies that the media ever had integrity in the first place.

Americans were calling the fake mainstream media "yellow" all the way back in the late 1800s when hearst and pulitzer were propagandizing the public into supporting the spanish-american war. Distrust in the media has been going on for over a century in the US, and historically speaking it goes all the way back to ancient civilizations like Rome.

Anyway, IMO the only thing that can be done about this is teaching americans how to think critically and identify bullshit. Legislating "honesty" or whatever seems unconstitutional... and even if it was possible to write a law for this the politicians who vote on our legislation are owned by the same wealthy interests that own the media.

Even if there was legislation mandating that the media tells the truth, that alone wouldnt fix their integrity problem. Theres no way to legislate trust, it has to be earned... and it takes real time and effort to earn trust.

hate to say it but until 4 years ago , people started waking up... Attribute it to Trump or not , but as our country continues to fall apart
our society is struggling with reality.
I for one always watch PBS news hour as well as Frontline, which I think are less closed eared and shut eyed.
As OP is asking , a network like ABC would need to not put drama into their news , keep it raw , and run with it until people
trust them 100%..

Nanners
12-17-2020, 11:30 AM
hate to say it but until 4 years ago , people started waking up... Attribute it to Trump or not , but as our country continues to fall apart
our society is struggling with reality.
I for one always watch PBS news hour as well as Frontline, which I think are less closed eared and shut eyed.
As OP is asking , a network like ABC would need to not put drama into their news , keep it raw , and run with it until people
trust them 100%..

A large percentage of the population has been awake for a very long time, all the way back in the late 1800s there were people (today we would call them "conspiracy theorists") who doubted the mainstream narrative on the sinking of the Maine. IMO the only significant thing that changed recently is that social media has made it much harder for the mainstream media to lie with impunity.

PBS is just as biased and shitty as any other mainstream outlet

I doubt its possible for any network like ABC to earn trust of 100% of people, and if it was possible I dont think it would be a good thing. New York times has fairly high rates of trust (especially on the left), yet over the past 100+ years they have published lies in favor of virtually every war this country has ever fought.

warriorfan
12-17-2020, 12:05 PM
I’ve thought about this as well and there is no good solution it seems. It’s a double edged sword where on one end you have completely free press that should be a good thing, but inevitably ends up being abused like we are seeing today. The other is where there are rules regulating the press quite heavily to stomp out purposefully inciting, inflammatory “news stories”. The problem is it’s such a subjective area to regulate, it’s going to end up being being judged by a certain committee which is then vulnerable to bias and outside influence, and with a backdoor of them eventually abusing their power and slowly eroding away at all press, making it more and more government controlled and censored. I suppose you could have a Supreme Court like body of appointed or elected officials that would take hearings and perform audits on news companies, using their own discretion on a case by case basis.

I think you nailed it for the reason of the spike in this sort of news reporting in the past 20 years. It boils down to its big business with a lot of money on the line, and a lot of competition. The internet has made it much more accessible for entrepreneur news companies and organizations to get heard and grow in popularity. The smart phones enhanced this and gave people 24/7 access to this. 30 years ago it would be much more difficult to get a break on the radio then it is to create your own YouTube or podcasting. It’s easier for people to reach their audiences than before so they are able to do it without to going through major channels and being censored and controlled. This allows them freedom to create more original and ultimately more interesting content. Big companies have to compete with this and have to change their style to stay relevant. So now you have more wilder and wilder “news” from the big networks, competing with everyone during this culture shift.

It’s a shitty product but it sells, all the networks have caught on and now they pretty much have to keep going with it or be left in the dust. It is ultimately the people’s fault for this. If everyone simply...stopped watching, listening, reading anything from all of these major networks until they started producing better quality news...who’s main purpose wasn’t to incite and divide, but to inform and educate...this problem would go away.

jstern
12-17-2020, 01:55 PM
There's nothing that can be done because it's simply the natural path for human societies, which will always have a good percentage of people who will rob, murder and rape others anytime they can get away with it. Criminals. The higher IQ wealthy criminals will cheat and lie to get to the top. They invariably will create a power that will infiltrate all media due to massive wealth.

Under normal circumstances profits are important and this power that drives the media won't show their fangs. But in circumstances where someone like Trump made it to the top, ruining a lot of things for this power, you get to see those fangs, as they're willing to completely cheat and lie right in the open in a very coordinated way for everyone to see. Because at the same time the majority of people are somewhat mentally vapid and will just accept the story, narrative that's being painted. So tens of millions of people could see blatant lying, and that’s ok so long as the majority don’t care and will accept what they say.

In the Trump case, really stimulating the disgust emotion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgust), where everything he does will be viewed in a disgusted way. Bite a rotten apple. Yuck, spit it out, disgusted. Disgusting centipede, "Kill it, kill it, burn the house down to kill it." No disgust emotions, "Maybe it has a family."

It’s a bit more complicated, would require many more examples.

https://www.bissell-france.com/media/magpleasure/mpblog/list_thumbnail_file/e/a/cache/5/ece9a24a761836a70934a998c163f8c8/ea296eaea6d29ec3f7c9948952c2fc0f.jpg

FourthTenor
12-17-2020, 02:09 PM
There's nothing that can be done because it's simply the natural path for human societies, which will always have a good percentage of people who will rob, murder and rape others anytime they can get away with it. Criminals. The higher IQ wealthy criminals will cheat and lie to get to the top. They invariably will create a power that will infiltrate all media due to massive wealth.

Under normal circumstances profits are important and this power that drives the media won't show their fangs. But in circumstances where someone like Trump made it to the top, ruining a lot of things for this power, you get to see those fangs, as they're willing to completely cheat and lie right in the open in a very coordinated way for everyone to see. Because at the same time the majority of people are somewhat mentally vapid and will just accept the story, narrative that's being painted. So tens of millions of people could see blatant lying, and that’s ok so long as the majority don’t care and will accept what they say.

In the Trump case, really stimulating the disgust emotion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgust), where everything he does will be viewed in a disgusted way. Bite a rotten apple. Yuck, spit it out, disgusted. Disgusting centipede, "Kill it, kill it, burn the house down to kill it." No disgust emotions, "Maybe it has a family."

It’s a bit more complicated, would require many more examples.

https://www.bissell-france.com/media/magpleasure/mpblog/list_thumbnail_file/e/a/cache/5/ece9a24a761836a70934a998c163f8c8/ea296eaea6d29ec3f7c9948952c2fc0f.jpg


Today I’m proud to call you my alt :applause:

Another way to explain it is when you have a country full of ItsMillerTimes and bladefd’s, you cant expect intelligent social cooperation on important issues, because they lack both the capacity and motivation for it.

We can never have a “logical” and efficient hierarchy based on rules and merit, because there are too many people whose interests that simply doesnt serve. IMT and bladefd will always cling to institutions (media and gov) that promise to elevate them above their worth, despite the obviously empty nature of those promises.

Those promise, though flouted and broken every single time, give them a perpetual HOPE.


HOPE.



HOPE.

Jasper
12-17-2020, 07:10 PM
A large percentage of the population has been awake for a very long time, all the way back in the late 1800s there were people (today we would call them "conspiracy theorists") who doubted the mainstream narrative on the sinking of the Maine. IMO the only significant thing that changed recently is that social media has made it much harder for the mainstream media to lie with impunity.

PBS is just as biased and shitty as any other mainstream outlet

I doubt its possible for any network like ABC to earn trust of 100% of people, and if it was possible I dont think it would be a good thing. New York times has fairly high rates of trust (especially on the left), yet over the past 100+ years they have published lies in favor of virtually every war this country has ever fought.

I agree , but for ABC to take the straight line as does PBS ,, chances would better than least favorable imo

AKA_AAP
12-17-2020, 07:17 PM
Nothing can be done. Half the country has below average intelligence. Just look at people like primetime, jasper, rrr3, theman, itsmillertime.

SATAN
12-17-2020, 07:27 PM
Nothing can be done. Half the country has below average intelligence. Just look at people like primetime, jasper, rrr3, theman, itsmillertime.

You taken time out of your day to made an alt with the purpose of spouting ignorant alt right views at left leaners on a basketball message board. Not sure you're in any position to judge the intelligence of others.

jstern
12-18-2020, 01:35 AM
Today I’m proud to call you my alt :applause:

Another way to explain it is when you have a country full of ItsMillerTimes and bladefd’s, you cant expect intelligent social cooperation on important issues, because they lack both the capacity and motivation for it.

We can never have a “logical” and efficient hierarchy based on rules and merit, because there are too many people whose interests that simply doesnt serve. IMT and bladefd will always cling to institutions (media and gov) that promise to elevate them above their worth, despite the obviously empty nature of those promises.

Those promise, though flouted and broken every single time, give them a perpetual HOPE.


HOPE.



HOPE.

Wait a minute. Who is this?

Is this Akrazotile, aka FultzNationRISE , aka Starface, and many more?

If so, it all makes sense now when MrFonzworth asked me if I had an apt named FourthTenor. It was a misspelling. He wasn't asking me if I had an apartment named FourthTenor, he was asking me if I had an alt name FourthTenor.

https://cdn.healthversed.com/healthversed/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/feature-4.jpg

Cleverness
12-18-2020, 01:43 AM
tldr - no offense. but from a political standpoint, as long as we keep voting in democrats & republicans, the media will continue to treat us like the fools we are... feeding us the same bullshit narratives over and over. they're just telling us what we want to hear, and that's... what people want anyway. their minds are made up that one side good, other side bad. we continue to tune in and nod our heads. it's OUR fault, not theirs.

Democrats = Harlem Globetrotters
Republicans = Washington Generals

It's a goddamn show they're putting on and the Republicans are there to lose over and over again. Democrats pretend they wanna help people and Republicans pretend they're protecting freedom... both full of shit. The Founding Fathers would hang all their asses.

Cleverness
12-18-2020, 01:58 AM
That leads me to point 2... what can we do about this?

We can try fascism.

https://altcensored.com/watch?v=kLNea_3E4PE

SATAN
12-18-2020, 03:44 AM
He realized he's been wrong so many times that now he's pretending to play a character.

diamenz
12-18-2020, 04:47 AM
Democrats = Harlem Globetrotters
Republicans = Washington Generals

It's a goddamn show they're putting on and the Republicans are there to lose over and over again. Democrats pretend they wanna help people and Republicans pretend they're protecting freedom... both full of shit. The Founding Fathers would hang all their asses.

as the world turns, man.