Remember when bum JR Smith matched prime Pippen's stats in 15' ECF?... 18/8 on 66% ts

[trada7029]

That's because prime Pippen stats are nothing and most bums match them like 05' Larry Hughes or JR Smith.. heck, Bosh played better in the 11' ECF than pippen ever did.

So anyone can match pippen's 19/6 on bad efficiency whereas it's basically impossible for a sidekick to match the towering playoff performances of AD, Kyrie or Wade..

pippen was worse than Paul George - no one would dream of giving Pippen the max and GM's held out on bum pippen - Jordan carried this bum to 6 rings by scoring 15 ppg more than him with more assists

[Wally450]

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[trada7029]

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The stats say pippen is a borderline top 100 player - PER, WS/48, peak VORP, OBPM, efficiency - they all say he's maybe a top 120 player all-time

So why do we ignore these stats for pippen that we use to rank every other player?... :whatever:

[Ben Simmons]

Which alt is this?

[8Ball]

3ball

[8Ball]

LeBron swept the 60 win hawks with a bum JR smith :applause:

LeBron Ball elevates JR Smith :bowdown:

Jordan never beat a 60 win team with that kind of player.

[Bronbron23]

That's because prime Pippen stats are nothing and most bums match them like 05' Larry Hughes or JR Smith.. heck, Bosh played better in the 11' ECF than pippen ever did.

So anyone can match pippen's 19/6 on bad efficiency whereas it's basically impossible for a sidekick to match the towering playoff performances of AD, Kyrie or Wade..

pippen was worse than Paul George - no one would dream of giving Pippen the max and GM's held out on bum pippen - Jordan carried this bum to 6 rings by scoring 15 ppg more than him with more assists

Pip wasnt amazing offensively. Only mj haters would argue that. It's on the other side of the ball where pip was elite. Combine that with mj defensively and together they were a terror. Both sides kind have twisted. Pip didn't carry mj and mj didn't carry pip. They just complimented each other perfectly.

[jlip]

I remember when Pippen won more playoff games without MJ in one series alone in '94 than MJ won in five seasons without Pippen.

[3ball]

Pip wasnt amazing offensively. Only mj haters would argue that. It's on the other side of the ball where pip was elite. Combine that with mj defensively and together they were a terror. Both sides kind have twisted. Pip didn't carry mj and mj didn't carry pip. They just complimented each other perfectly.

Jordan doubled pippen's playoff scoring average - that's the definition of carrying

Heck, Robert Horry averaged 18/10 on great efficiency in the 94' Finals, aka Pippen-level - Jordan won 6 rings with peak JR Smith and Robert Horry performances - that's the level pippen was on

And Pippen's defense doesn't offset his weak offense - if he was a bill russell-level defender, then the bulls would've had the #1 defense.. but instead, they had the #7 defense during the first three-peat, so every ECF and Finals opponent had a better defense (except 92' Cavs and 93' Suns)

The stats say pippen is a borderline top 100 player - PER, WS/48, peak VORP, OBPM, efficiency - they all say he's maybe a top 120 player all-time

So why do we ignore these stats for pippen that we use to rank every other player?...

[FireDavidKahn]

People are now saying that JR SMith > Pippen?

:roll:

[3ball]

People are now saying that JR SMith > Pippen?

:roll:

Robert Horry averaged 18/10 on great efficiency in the 94' Finals, aka Pippen-level

So Jordan won 6 rings with peak JR Smith and Robert Horry performances - that's the level pippen was on

The stats say pippen is a borderline top 100 player - PER, WS/48, peak VORP, OBPM, efficiency - they all say he's maybe a top 120 player all-time

So why do we ignore these stats for pippen that we use to rank every other player?...

[8Ball]

LeBron swept the 60 win hawks with a bum JR smith :applause:

LeBron Ball elevates JR Smith :bowdown:

Jordan never beat a 60 win team with that kind of player.

Did Jordan ever sweep a 60 win team with JR?

[3ball]

Did Jordan ever sweep a 60 win team with JR?

Jordan beat the #1 SRS with pippen getting 15 on 40%, so he would destroy the #3 Hawks with JR at 18 on 67% ts

JR played better than pippen ever did in that series - 18/8 on 67% ts is better offense than pippen ever achieved




Did Jordan ever sweep a 60 win team with JR?


JR Smith in 15' ECF............. 18/8

Robert Horry in 94' Finals.... 18/10


^^^^ that's Pippen level production

So Jordan would win more with bigger-producing sidekicks than JR Smith or Robert Horry level guys - he'd win more with bigger-producers like AD, Wade or Kyrie that have higher PER, WS/48, VORP, OBPM and efficiency than Pippen

[FKAri]

Impressive elevation job by LeGOAT. It's like a divine aura emanates from LeGod which increases the ability of anyone within His radius. Provided they have faith in Him.

Meanwhile that only thing emanating from that piece of filth MJ is the smell of liquor. Disgusting, degenerate, human being that I would gladly run over with my car.

EDIT - Disclaimer: I would never commit murder, myself.

[3ball]

Impressive elevation job by LeGOAT. It's like a divine aura emanates from LeGod which increases the ability of anyone within His radius. Provided they have faith in Him.

Meanwhile that only thing emanating from that piece of filth MJ is the smell of liquor. Disgusting, degenerate, human being that I would gladly run over with my car. Of course, I'm kidding. I would never commit murder.
JR played better than pippen ever did in that series - 18/8 on 67% ts is better offense than pippen ever achieved

Ultimately, 89' Jordan beat the #1 SRS with pippen getting 15 on 40%, so he would destroy the #3 Hawks with JR at 18 on 67% ts... :confusedshrug:

Carry on

[Gus Hemmingway]

JR played better than pippen ever did in that series - 18/8 on 67% ts is better offense than pippen ever achieved

Ultimately, 89' Jordan beat the #1 SRS with pippen getting 15 on 40%, so he would destroy the #3 Hawks with JR at 18 on 67% ts

So LeBron-ball made JR > Pippen?

LeGOAT :bowdown:

[Hey Yo]

If MJ made Pippen, why did he make him into such a shitty player?

[FKAri]

JR played better than pippen ever did in that series - 18/8 on 67% ts is better offense than pippen ever achieved

Ultimately, 89' Jordan beat the #1 SRS with pippen getting 15 on 40%, so he would destroy the #3 Hawks with JR at 18 on 67% ts... :confusedshrug:

Carry on

Uh..ya LeElevate. Meanwhile Pippen was being held back by MJ. Once MJ Left he had a spectacular season. Of course Stern was no longer rigging games for them so they couldn't win. In fact they were doing a little too well that Stern had to make some phone calls to force Pippen to sit.

[3ball]

Uh..ya LeElevate. Meanwhile Pippen was being held back by MJ. Once MJ Left he had a spectacular season. Of course Stern was no longer rigging games for them so they couldn't win. In fact they were doing a little too well that Stern had to make some phone calls to force Pippen to sit.

Pippen had a 55-win season like Marc Gasol in memphis, Lowry in Toronto - basically everyone - it's nothing.. So Jordan won 6 with a Marc Gasol or Lowry-caliber player (a top 120 all-time player, according to career PER, WS/48, peak VORP, OBPM, and efficiency).. lebron had 3-4 teammates with better PER, BPM, WS/48 and VORP than Pippen (AD, Wade, Kyrie, Love)

[8Ball]

Pippen had a 55-win season like Marc Gasol in memphis, Lowry in Toronto - basically everyone - it's nothing.. So Jordan won 6 with a Marc Gasol or Lowry-caliber player (a top 120 all-time player, according to career PER, WS/48, peak VORP, OBPM, and efficiency).. lebron had 3-4 teammates with better PER, BPM, WS/48 and VORP than Pippen (AD, Wade, Kyrie, Love)

So why couldn't Jordan do it himself without Pippen?

Still zero answer to this question.

Easiest thing in the world to do, win 55 games. Except when Jordan tries to do it. Kyle Lowry did it without Kawhi, Jordan couldn't without Pippen.

No pip, no chip. No pip no 55 wins.

[3ball]

So why couldn't Jordan win 55 without Pippen?



Same reason lebron couldn't win 55 in 04' or 19' - those were 20-win teams the prior year and the worst teams of his career

However, lebron avoided the playoffs with his worst teams (04' and 19'), while Jordan was forced to carry his worst teams against the goat Celtics (86' and 87')

[8Ball]

Then Jordan isn't the GOAT if he can't win 55 games without Pippen. LeBron won 66 games with a early 80s Jordan level cast in 2009 and 62 games in 2010 with a 20 win team without him (2011 Cavs won 15 games).

Even Lowry could do it without Kawhi.

Marc Gasol did it.

Jordan didn't. Never did it in his career.

[3ball]

Then Jordan isn't the GOAT if he can't win 55 games without Pippen.

Even Lowry could do it without Kawhi.

Marc Gasol did it.

Jordan didn't.

Nope. My previous response explains that

[3ball]

LeBron won 66 games with a early 80s Jordan level cast





09/10 Lebron had the best cast in the conference, and many 1-star teams won the 00's East

Whereas Jordan had the worst cast in the 80's East, and a super-team was required to win it

Night and day

And lebron's top-seeded favorites from 09/10 included 2x all-stars Jamison/Zydrunas, all-star Mo Williams, all-defender Varejao, the COY, and a top 5 defense.. Jordan's 80's casts had nothing and compare to lebron's 04' cast

[3ball]

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Thread Cliffs


Prime pippen stats were achievable by anyone, including bums like JR Smith (15' ECF), Robert Horry (94' Finals), or Larry Hughes (05').

That's the caliber that Jordan won 6 rings with, which is why he's goat

[8Ball]

LeBron cast without LeBron won 15 games in 2011.

Jordan cast without Jordan won 55 games in 1994.

Shackled. Chained.

[3ball]

LeBron cast without LeBron won 15 games in 2011.

Jordan cast without Jordan won 55 games in 1994.

Shackled. Chained.

The 11' Cavs lost their entire starting 5, not just lebron

They lost Mo, Zydrunas, Shaq, Delonte and Varejao, which was 52 ppg combined and therefore bigger impact that lebron's 30 ppg

Btw, you missed the thread cliffs above

[SouBeachTalents]

Why do y'all even engage this fakkit :lol It's the online equivalent of arguing with the homeless guy ranting on the subway

[TheCorporation]

Except no other 1990s second option ever matched Scottie's production :lol

Next

[AirBonner]

Except no other 1990s second option ever matched Scottie's production :lol

Nextand we are done here

[3ball]

Except no other 1990s second option ever matched Scottie's production :lol

Next

Pippen was destroyed by X-man in the 92' ECSF - pippen's underperformance is the only reason it went 7 games

Willis and Dominique destroyed Pippen in the 93' 1st Rd

Penny, Kemp, Payton and Schrempf all outplayed Pippen in the 96' ECF and Finals

Pippen averaged 19 on 42% in 6 Finals... 17/7/5 on 41% in the 96-98' Playoffs.

[AirBonner]

Pippen was destroyed by X-man in the 92' ECSF - pippen's underperformance is the only reason it went 7 games

Willis and Dominique destroyed Pippen in the 93' 1st Rd

Penny, Kemp, Payton and Schrempf all outplayed Pippen in the 96' ECF and Finals

Pippen averaged 19 on 42% in 6 Finals... 17/7/5 on 41% in the 96-98' Playoffs.
MJ was shackled to Pippen on the court and off (with Madonna)

[Axe]

Op is actually baldan himself

[red1]

But did JR lead the bulls to 55 wins?

[3ball]

But did JR lead the bulls to 55 wins?

No but KJ did and he beat Magic to make the conference finals, while pippen was destroyed by mj's bitch ewing

lol

[red1]

No but KJ did and he beat Magic to make the conference finals, while pippen was destroyed by mj's bitch ewing

lol

how bad does that hurt you knowing that pippen did what mj couldnt - lead a 50 win team without his main sidekick


in an era where players where smoking cigarettes and drinking beer at half-time no less :roll:

[Axe]

:sleeping

[3ball]

:sleeping
Prime Pippen............ 19/7 on 45%

JR Smith 15' ECF...... 18/8 on 50%

R Horry 94' Finals.... 18/10 on 50%

L Hughes 05' RS...... 22/6 on 45%


^^^ so any bum can match prime pippen's production because pippen's prime production was weak - same as peak JR Smith, Horry or Hughes

[And1AllDay]

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[3ball]

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"But Ingram was barely an all-star!"


20' Ingram..'..... 18.8 PER.. 2.4 BPM.. 0.115 WS/48.. 2.2 VORP
90' Pippen.....'.. 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 0.087 WS/48.. 3.0 VORP

05' L Hughes.... 21.6 PER.. 4.3 BPM.. 0.157 WS/48.. 3.7 VORP
90' Pippen.....'.. 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 0.087 WS/48.. 3.0 VORP

09' Mo Will...'.... 17.2 PER.. 2.3 BPM.. 0.165 WS/48.. 3.1 VORP
90' Pippen.....'.. 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 0.087 WS/48.. 3.0 VORP


And Pippen wasn't an all-star in 91'

Ultimately, Pippen has lower career BPM, PER, and WS/48 than Wade/AD/Kyrie - so lebron had 3 teammates that were bigger producers, but zero #1 offenses (mj had 4)...

and 90' Pippen was lower stats across the board than 20' Ingram, 05' Hughes, or 09' Mo

That's the statistical record (no opinion)

[1987_Lakers]

Seriously, don't you ever get tired of posting the same stuff? You are not convincing anyone, you might as well be talking to a wall, but judging by your obsession with MJ-LeBron, you probably do that daily.

[SouBeachTalents]

Seriously, don't you ever get tired of posting the same stuff? You are not convincing anyone, you might as well be talking to a wall, but judging by your obsession with MJ-LeBron, you probably do that daily.
The worst part is the mods let him spam the board with his shitty threads. It's opening night and this fakkit's bumping months old threads about players who've been irrelevant for 20 years. He's posting simultaneously with an alt for some bizarre reason too :lol

[3ball]

Seriously, don't you ever get tired of posting the same stuff? You are not convincing anyone, you might as well be talking to a wall, but judging by your obsession with MJ-LeBron, you probably do that daily.

I'm not trying to "convince" anyone because they aren't opinions

I'm informing you of the stats and facts that you obviously weren't aware of previously

You're the idiot for thinking pippen was better than Ingram or 05' Hughes - he wasn't and the stats show he was actually worse - mj was just GOAT - deal with it without bitching

[1987_Lakers]

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[Axe]

I'm not trying to "convince" anyone because they aren't opinions

I'm informing you of the stats and facts that you obviously weren't aware of previously

You're the idiot for thinking pippen was better than Ingram or 05' Hughes - he wasn't and the stats show he was actually worse - mj was just GOAT - deal with it without bitching
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQAe_T4wadN6kSSgKVWo0Tnl4Bimmr5h 8IU8Q&usqp=CAU

[3ball]

God help us all


statistical realities for Bron fans regarding pippen


* AD, Wade and Kyrie have higher production rate than Pippen across the board (PER, BPM, WS/48), yet lebron had zero #1 offenses in 17 years, versus 4 for MJ.. That statistically proves that MJ played basketball a better way (employed the superior style)

* Prime Wade, AD, and Kyrie are untouchable by regular players, whereas Pippen was matched by bums like Horry (94' Finals), JR Smith (15' ECF), and Hughes (05')... because pippen's stats are ordinary - Jordan won 6 rings with a guy that got Shawn Marion stats, or a typical paul george series, or peak JR Smith/Robert Horry (see thread title)

[3ball]

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Thread Cliffs


Prime Wade/AD/Kyrie are untouchable by regular players, whereas prime pippen's pedestrian stats were routinely matched by bums like Horry (94' Finals), JR Smith (15' ECF), or Hughes (05')...

That's the caliber of sidekick production that mj won 6 rings with (peak horry or JR) - the stats don't lie

[3ball]

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Thread Cliffs


Prime Wade/AD/Kyrie are untouchable by regular players, whereas pippen's pedestrian stats were routinely matched by bums like Horry (94' Finals), JR Smith (15' ECF), or Hughes (05')...

That's the caliber of sidekick production that mj won 6 rings with (peak horry or JR) - the stats don't lie

https://media4.giphy.com/media/10MGhMGr4WCiVW/giphy.gif

[trada7029]

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Thread Cliffs


Prime Wade/AD/Kyrie are untouchable by regular players, whereas prime pippen's pedestrian stats were routinely matched by bums like Horry (94' Finals), JR Smith (15' ECF), or Hughes (05')...

That's the caliber of sidekick production that mj won 6 rings with (peak horry or JR) - the stats don't lie

Ain't no one fuccing w/ you dawg