Don't we need to take PED's into account when judging Lebron?

[Walk on Water]

It's my opinion that Lebron is on something and most other players are not. Think about it. He hasn't had very many injuries outside of his groin strain and cramp. And the obvious thing to look at is he's only gotten bigger and stronger. I would think that weight training is only part of Lebron's regimen. He does a lot of other things, so I think he's getting a lot of help. Plus, his face and jaw looks unnatural. And he wears a beard now, so he could be trying to hide.

Think about it. How does Lebron score most of his points? Moves? Shooting? Mostly driving to the rim and bulldozing. No other player does that. And no player would be allowed to do that with the rules.

Let's say Lebron is on some regimen. Why wouldn't he be? Didn't he admit to spending millions of dollars on his body? Why wouldn't he be doing something quasi legal? Wouldn't that bring his rating down? His main asset is his body and overpowering others.

[AirBonner]

Whatever helps you sleep at night little homie

[bison]

That’s why I don’t have Roid in my top 10. As talented and as many awards and chips he has, I have to dock major points for using PEDs in addition to the stacked teammates and favorable treatment from the refs and commissioner. I would have truly like to seen how good LeBron could be without all that help.

[Gus Hemmingway]

That’s why I don’t have Roid in my top 10. As talented and as many awards and chips he has, I have to dock major points for using PEDs in addition to the stacked teammates and favorable treatment from the refs and commissioner. I would have truly like to seen how good LeBron could be without all that help.


Where do you rank Giannis

[Baller789]

James should have been done years ago without PED's.
Remember when people noticed him declining and thought he was done?

Now he's suddenly regained some form.

His PEDs usage is so obvious.

Not the GOAT.

[Sulico]

It's my opinion that Lebron is on something and most other players are not. Think about it. He hasn't had very many injuries outside of his groin strain and cramp. And the obvious thing to look at is he's only gotten bigger and stronger. I would think that weight training is only part of Lebron's regimen. He does a lot of other things, so I think he's getting a lot of help. Plus, his face and jaw looks unnatural. And he wears a beard now, so he could be trying to hide.

Think about it. How does Lebron score most of his points? Moves? Shooting? Mostly driving to the rim and bulldozing. No other player does that. And no player would be allowed to do that with the rules.

Let's say Lebron is on some regimen. Why wouldn't he be? Didn't he admit to spending millions of dollars on his body? Why wouldn't he be doing something quasi legal? Wouldn't that bring his rating down? His main asset is his body and overpowering others.

Jordan was the same ironman as Lebron. And since we mostly compare Lebron to Jordan, we shouldn't take all that into account.

[TheGoatest]

Hater PED allegations against LeBron are the biggest compliments imaginable. They're basically admitting that he's the GOAT and because they don't like it, they invent stories as an explanation for why he is so good. They're admitting he is so good that it defies logic so he must be cheating.

[eliteballer]

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[eliteballer]

That’s why I don’t have Roid in my top 10. As talented and as many awards and chips he has, I have to dock major points for using PEDs in addition to the stacked teammates and favorable treatment from the refs and commissioner. I would have truly like to seen how good LeBron could be without all that help.

:eek:

[And1AllDay]

whatever helps you sleep at night little homie

[Axe]

That’s why I don’t have Roid in my top 10. As talented and as many awards and chips he has, I have to dock major points for using PEDs in addition to the stacked teammates and favorable treatment from the refs and commissioner. I would have truly like to seen how good LeBron could be without all that help.
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[coin24]

LeTiny has never won anything without colluding..

And on top of that 4/10:lol


Not in my top10

[JohnMax]

Why is Lebron on PED but not other players known for playing bully ball like Giannis, Shaq?

[TheGoatest]

Why is Lebron on PED but not other players known for playing bully ball like Giannis, Shaq?

Because unlike with LeBron, they didn't have to hear someone point out that Shaq or Giannis is greater than their favorite player all-time and leave them butt-hurt for life when it comes to Shaq and Giannis.

[Ben Simmons]

Why is Lebron on PED but not other players known for playing bully ball like Giannis, Shaq?

The players busted for PEDs already dont tend to be huge guys. The idea that only muscular people use is dumb and naive

[Kblaze8855]

The players busted for PEDs already dont tend to be huge guys. The idea that only muscular people use is dumb and naive

Got these idiots posting pictures of people who look like half my football team did in high school like it proves PED use when the people to actually get caught are Nick Calathes, Hedo, and Rashard Lewis. Who was it recently? Ayton and dude on the Hawks. Ayton is probably the only actual muscular player to ever test positive.

[Walk on Water]

Saying Lebron is on PEDs does not mean I'm saying he's the best. I'm saying in certain aspects, he's doing things that can't be done for HIM.

[Baller789]

Without PEDS, Just chalk out 8 less ppg, 3 less rpg, and 3 less apg from his numbers

Lebron stains afraid of the truth.

[Kings2024Champs]

PEDs aint the magic pills people on this board think they are. Strength gains are made easier but the negatives would outweigh the benefits in a sport like bball. This isnt football or powerlifting..

[Sulico]

Saying Lebron is on PEDs does not mean I'm saying he's the best. I'm saying in certain aspects, he's doing things that can't be done for HIM.

That's weird. How do you even know what can and can't be done for him with or without PEDs.

[FKAri]

PEDs aint the magic pills people on this board think they are. Strength gains are made easier but the negatives would outweigh the benefits in a sport like bball. This isnt football or powerlifting..

Much better cardio and recovery don't hurt either.

[MaxPlayer]

If the Kang is taking PEDs, then I guess more players should take PEDs so they won't look so pathetic in comparison.

[8Ball]

Everyone is on PEDs.

[eliteballer]

Got these idiots posting pictures of people who look like half my football team did in high school like it proves PED use when the people to actually get caught are Nick Calathes, Hedo, and Rashard Lewis. Who was it recently? Ayton and dude on the Hawks. Ayton is probably the only actual muscular player to ever test positive.

Look at your boys Jordan and Jokic or whoever else you want to name then look at LeRoid and ask yourself why he also takes random trips to Miami during the season, has jaw growths and has unnatural longevity.

[Goldrush25]

If he were on PEDs then his training team is the best ever. PED users have higher than average injury rates and he's only suffered one major injury in his entire career.

[Bronbron23]

It's my opinion that Lebron is on something and most other players are not. Think about it. He hasn't had very many injuries outside of his groin strain and cramp. And the obvious thing to look at is he's only gotten bigger and stronger. I would think that weight training is only part of Lebron's regimen. He does a lot of other things, so I think he's getting a lot of help. Plus, his face and jaw looks unnatural. And he wears a beard now, so he could be trying to hide.

Think about it. How does Lebron score most of his points? Moves? Shooting? Mostly driving to the rim and bulldozing. No other player does that. And no player would be allowed to do that with the rules.

Let's say Lebron is on some regimen. Why wouldn't he be? Didn't he admit to spending millions of dollars on his body? Why wouldn't he be doing something quasi legal? Wouldn't that bring his rating down? His main asset is his body and overpowering others.

Nah man he always been a freak size wize and athletically. It's nothing for someone with his genetics, trainers and income to get way he is. Plus that's not how gear works. You can literally have someone like zion who's not on it and someone like lance Armstrong who is.

[eliteballer]

Nah man he always been a freak size wize and athletically. It's nothing for someone with his genetics, trainers and income to get way he is. Plus that's not how gear works. You can literally have someone like zion who's not on it and someone like lance Armstrong who is.
Only LeBron knows how to lift, no one else knows how to lift..

[Bronbron23]

Only LeBron knows how to lift, no one else knows how to lift..

What are you talking about? First off bron isnt even all that jacked. Second he's one of the greatest athletes ever. His genetics are insane. Look at zion. Look at bo jackson. They're the the same. Were they taking roids at 15 because they were jacked even as early teenagers. They're just naturally big strong athletic dudes.

[Goldrush25]

Usually you can see where those that have used PEDs stalled in their level of performance and then made some sort of unexplainable jump in performance. I don't see that anywhere when I look at his career statistics. It's all been incremental progression and no seasons stick out as absurdly better than the seasons before or after.

[eliteballer]

Usually you can see where those that have used PEDs stalled in their level of performance and then made some sort of unexplainable jump in performance. I don't see that anywhere when I look at his career statistics. It's all been incremental progression and no seasons stick out as absurdly better than the seasons before or after.
No player in nba history has been able to maintain production like their peak into their early and mid 30s, let alone someone with more mileage than anyone...

[Bronbron23]

No player in nba history has been able to maintain production like their peak into their early and mid 30s, let alone someone with more mileage than anyone...

Well mj won a scoring title, mvp, fmvp and first defense in his mid thirties so mot sure about that.

And athlete's now have better knowledge and resources than they did 30 years ago. Brons diet and training regime is much more advanced. When bird and magic played guys were smoking and drinking after games. The league was also way more physical so even though bron plays alot if minutes he's not taking the punishment guys took in the past.

[Goldrush25]

No player in nba history has been able to maintain production like their peak into their early and mid 30s, let alone someone with more mileage than anyone...

He's been physically superior his entire career. You take Lebron at 15 and compare him to other 15-year-olds, he was superior. You take him at 20, same thing. 25, same thing. That tells me he's just physically superior.

This isn't someone like Bonds who was a decent athlete but then became something completely different in the second half of his career.

[Hey Yo]

If he were on PEDs then his training team is the best ever. PED users have higher than average injury rates and he's only suffered one major injury in his entire career.

Its definitely not a coincidence that Kobe's body started to breakdown after multiple trips to Germany to receive illegal doping.

[Goldrush25]

Its definitely not a coincidence that Kobe's body started to breakdown after multiple trips to Germany to receive illegal doping.

Or did the injuries come before the German treatment? In any event, injuries and PED use are usually well correlated. These guys aren't ironmen that never get hurt. They use PEDs and then get hurt or use PEDs because they're already hurt.

I'm not unwilling to believe that Lebron uses PEDs. I just don't know what statistical evidence supports it. Also, one reason that those on PEDs get injured more easily is that the artificially grown muscles grow disproportionately to the ligaments and tendons (that don't grow) that keep them together. They're putting more stress than those tissues were designed to withstand, so they sprain and tear more easily. For him to be on PEDs and not really have had a tendon or ligament injury would be a testament to his trainers and his discipline.

[Kblaze8855]

Look at your boys Jordan and Jokic or whoever else you want to name then look at LeRoid and ask yourself why he also takes random trips to Miami during the season, has jaw growths and has unnatural longevity.

I don’t need to do much research to figure out how a weight training power forward has muscles. And not especially large ones if you’re used to being around gyms. Swear some of you must have never stepped foot into a weight room to be gawking at Lebron the way you do.

Lebron at the combine was 20 pounds bigger and a half inch shorter than Charles Oakley despite being years younger. Karl Malones prime playing weight was 18 pounds smaller than that reporter claimed to see Lebron weigh in on the Cavs. He’s a fairly large power forward size wise who ****s with your perception because he handles the ball.

You stay staring at arms like a high school girl chasing boys on the football team. Lebron is not all that muscular by weight lifter standards. Muscle bound people anywhere near his height are way over 255 or whatever he is. He’s built powerfully for a lanky athlete not for a normal person who lifts weights all the time and takes it serious.

He’s about the size of an nfl tight end. One of the converted basketball players. Jimmy Graham size. He’s nothing crazy for an athlete who sets out to put on muscle. Have him walk through the Browns locker room. He’s just another guy. Myles Garrett with his shirt off looks like someone ripped him off a comic book cover.

[tontoz]

Such a tired argument. Lebron is a naturally big guy that has lifted weights since he was a teenager. Nothing to see here.

[SATAN]

Scrawny dweebs of ish exposing themselves itt

[plowking]

Bron is most certainly on something, just like all the top athletes are.

That is the biggest crack up about it. Knobs like eliteballer think his hero wasn't on it, while only LeBron is.

You really think Kobe and Jordan weren't on something? lol...

[Bronbron23]

Bron is most certainly on something, just like all the top athletes are.

That is the biggest crack up about it. Knobs like eliteballer think his hero wasn't on it, while only LeBron is.

You really think Kobe and Jordan weren't on something? lol...

Why do yall f*cktards think these guys are on shit? I know dudes who have worse genetics and diets and who have mediocre training regimes who are as big or bigger than the players mentioned above. It's nothing for nigs with good genetics tbh. I swear this forum is full of white dudes with shit genetics:facepalm

[eliteballer]

The delusion is unreal....this man does NOT.


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Look ANYTHING like these men.

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[eliteballer]

Like what planet are you people living on?

[light]

No, but we probably need to take PED's into account when judging players from the 70s, 80s and 90s because there was no PED testing in those eras.

With LeBron at least we know he's randomly tested several times every year for performance enhancers that the sport didn't even care to look for in the 70s, 80s and 90s, but which were widely available and in use in every other sport.

PED use is not about size. In fact, I think the big guys are less likely to be on it. It's the skinny guys with insane endurance that you have to look out for.

[Mr. Woke]

If LeBron took PEDs according to you OP, MJ definitely took them as well.

[eliteballer]

I don’t need to do much research to figure out how a weight training power forward has muscles. And not especially large ones if you’re used to being around gyms. Swear some of you must have never stepped foot into a weight room to be gawking at Lebron the way you do.

Lebron at the combine was 20 pounds bigger and a half inch shorter than Charles Oakley despite being years younger. Karl Malones prime playing weight was 18 pounds smaller than that reporter claimed to see Lebron weigh in on the Cavs. He’s a fairly large power forward size wise who ****s with your perception because he handles the ball.

You stay staring at arms like a high school girl chasing boys on the football team. Lebron is not all that muscular by weight lifter standards. Muscle bound people anywhere near his height are way over 255 or whatever he is. He’s built powerfully for a lanky athlete not for a normal person who lifts weights all the time and takes it serious.

He’s about the size of an nfl tight end. One of the converted basketball players. Jimmy Graham size. He’s nothing crazy for an athlete who sets out to put on muscle. Have him walk through the Browns locker room. He’s just another guy. Myles Garrett with his shirt off looks like someone ripped him off a comic book cover.

First off, you're comparing a 6-8 guy doing mountains of cardio to football players. Different physiologies and different sports.

Second, and more importantly the fact that you don't think a lot of guys in the NFL and ESPECIALLY guys like a Myles Garrett or a DK Metcalf are getting help to look and perform they way they do is almost comical.

[Bronbron23]

No, but we probably need to take PED's into account when judging players from the 70s, 80s and 90s because there was no PED testing in those eras.

With LeBron at least we know he's randomly tested several times every year for performance enhancers that the sport didn't even care to look for in the 70s, 80s and 90s, but which were widely available and in use in every other sport.

PED use is not about size. In fact, I think the big guys are less likely to be on it. It's the skinny guys with insane endurance that you have to look out for.

Pretty much this and I don't usually agree with dude. Unless we're talking body builder muscle mass, size has nothing to do with who's most likely on roids. You can have someone like bo jackson who's natural and someone like lance Armstrong who's not.

[eliteballer]

According to Kblaze these guys are all natural :roll:

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[Bronbron23]

First off, you're comparing a 6-8 guy doing mountains of cardio to football players. Different physiologies and different sports.

Second, and more importantly the fact that you don't think a lot of guys in the NFL and ESPECIALLY guys like a Myles Garrett or a DK Metcalf are getting help to look and perform they way they do is almost comical.

Your not getting it bruh. Yes 100% there's nba and nfl players on gear. There body types have nothing to do with it though. Zion is obviously natural and he's absolutely yoked. lance armstrong is a skinny white dude who was juiced like crazy.

Plus yall use the most dramatic pictures you can find. If you see bron chillin without a shirt he dosnt even look that big and definitely dosnt look like a juicer. You don't know what your talking about dude.

[Mauzah]

He colludes with the juice

[plowking]

Why do yall f*cktards think these guys are on shit? I know dudes who have worse genetics and diets and who have mediocre training regimes who are as big or bigger than the players mentioned above. It's nothing for nigs with good genetics tbh. I swear this forum is full of white dudes with shit genetics:facepalm


Has nothing to do with genetics/diet/mass/size, or black and white.

They are top athletes, with unreal expectations, and for basketballers, an unreal schedule and expectation of games to be played.

Its like believing Usain Bolt wasn't on anything, when every other 100m sprinter in the top 30 times ever run has been popped for PED's. You're delusional if you think Bolt wasn't on something.


Then again, is it fair? No. Because even if you level the playing field with everyone taking something, everyone's body reacts differently to performance enhancers. You can have a guy who isn't particularly gifted, and one who is the top of the top naturally, and then put them on the same stack, and the guy who was way behind overtakes the naturally gifted one. I've seen it happen in the gym just doing a regular weightlifting routine.

I've been around the gym for 14 plus years now, and seen my fair share of PED's from regular steroids to just about everything under the sun. All with different positives and benefits. I know what I'm talking about on a surface level at the very least.

[plowking]

According to Kblaze these guys are all natural :roll:

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They're quite clearly on gear, but you posting pictures of Bron as if it is some evidence, as opposed to other players is hilarious.

You got the right answer, but your proof of working and concept is all wrong.

[Bronbron23]

Has nothing to do with genetics/diet/mass/size, or black and white.

They are top athletes, with unreal expectations, and for basketballers, an unreal schedule and expectation of games to be played.

Its like believing Usain Bolt wasn't on anything, when every other 100m sprinter in the top 30 times ever run has been popped for PED's. You're delusional if you think Bolt wasn't on something.


Then again, is it fair? No. Because even if you level the playing field with everyone taking something, everyone's body reacts differently to performance enhancers. You can have a guy who isn't particularly gifted, and one who is the top of the top naturally, and then put them on the same stack, and the guy who was way behind overtakes the naturally gifted one. I've seen it happen in the gym just doing a regular weightlifting routine.

I've been around the gym for 14 plus years now, and seen my fair share of PED's from regular steroids to just about everything under the sun. All with different positives and benefits. I know what I'm talking about on a surface level at the very least.

Yeah I've been around the gym and steroids too. Fact is genetics and make up have a whole lot to do with it. This isn't even arguable. There's other factors too. Work ethic and knowledge and discipline play a big role too but genetics are key.

And why is so hard to you to deal with the fact that sometimes people are just better than everyone else. How many people had bo jacksons talent? Was he on juice? What about zion whose been a beast since he was in grade 11. Has he been juicing since 16?

[KennyPowers]

Some scientists say if you intake enough semen that it increases your testosterone. There is no limit, so the more you take the more testosterone it produces. It's by far the strongest when you get it directly from the source. For that reason Lebron has a team that doses him throughout the day. This is actually what led to the falling out with Kyrie. Just like he hates having to do scheduled interviews, he hated having to do daily scheduled beat off sessions in Lebron's mouth on command. He told Lebron enough is enough and that he'll beat off in his mouth when he feels like it and demanded a trade. This wasn't only an issue with Kyrie, it also caused Kevin major depression. And Chris got blood clot because of it. Brian and Dwyane never thought it was a big deal, while Anthony absolutely loves it. Anthony hopes to continue even after Lebron retires.

[plowking]

Yeah I've been around the gym and steroids too. Fact is genetics and make up have a whole lot to do with it. This isn't even arguable. There's other factors too. Work ethic and knowledge and discipline play a big role too but genetics are key.

And why is so hard to you to deal with the fact that sometimes people are just better than everyone else. How many people had bo jacksons talent? Was he on juice? What about zion whose been a beast since he was in grade 11. Has he been juicing since 16?


I doubt you have if you think there is a single athlete out there natural at the top of their sport in a sport full of cheaters. If you legitimately think Usain Bolt as an example is natural when all of the other top 30 times were popped, then you're ignorant.

You've literally listed off a bunch of buzzwords; work ethic, knowledge, discipline, as if it means something in the context of this. We are already talking about the elite 1%, with millions at play, and you think they aren't doing everything to get a competitive advantage. Don't be asinine.

Where did I say it was hard for me to deal with anyone being better than anyone else? No one starts on the same base level. Steroids blurs the lines of who would be the best with or without gear. As I said, two people can take the exact same stack and have completely different results. One can be way ahead naturally than another, but someone respond way better to certain PEDs and overtake the naturally better athlete.

But its a moot point. I am fully aware and not ignorant to the fact that at the top most, if not all are juicing the some degree. They are essentially on a level playing field, so it doesn't matter to me.

[Baller789]

Lebron's talent may have nothing to with PEDs.
But I 'm damn sure it has to do with his unnatural longevity.

It specifically helps his recovery times given his age.

[eliteballer]

You got the right answer, but your proof of working and concept is all wrong.




Did Bill Simmons Hint That LeBron James Took A Steroid Vacation?

Simmons met fan backlash when he floated the idea that LeBron wasn’t the “same player” early in the 2015 season. He responded as such:

“Like it was our fault that LeBron was playing below the rim for the first two months and the Cavs were a complete mess. I’m sorry for pointing that out everybody!”

After NBA beat writer Zach Lowe struggled to politely categorize LeBron’s two-week refresher vacation to Miami in January, Simmons pushed his stance once again:

Bill Simmons: Uh…I have a couple titles for that but I’m not gonna say.

Zach Lowe: I’m not going anywhere near where you’re going.

Bill Simmons: I’m not going anywhere either!

He later elaborated, saying:

“LeBron James…looked like he was entering another phase of his career. He’s got a lot of miles on him. Looked different in how he was playing. Went away for two weeks, came back. He’s been lights out. [He] basically has been at 29 [points] a game, 6 [assists] and 6 [rebounds]. Fifty percent shooting. He looks like LeBron again.”

https://uproxx.com/dimemag/did-bill-s...roid-vacation/
http://bluegrasspreps.com/national-b...ns-298941.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comment...bill_alluding/
https://247sports.com/nba/mavericks/...tion-71485040/



LeBatard: My Guess is LeBron James is ‘Doing Something’

http://slicemiami.com/2016/06/08/le-...ron-james-hgh/



LeBron James was in Miami while the Cavaliers played at home Sunday, with team's permission

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/01/lebron_james_miami.html



Here's the story behind the 2-week break that turned LeBron James' season around

Windhorst says that late in 2014, James had been moody and his body wasn't 100%. After suddenly deciding not to play in a game against the Hawks, the Cavs gave him take two weeks off to rest, from which he returned healthy and in a better mood, seemingly revitalized by some midseason trades.

"[James] had sort of just like waved a bit of a white flag there. He just didn't feel like playing. He had never done that ever before. He had always just played through it. And so it was after that game, [the Cavaliers] said, 'Alright, take your two weeks off,' because he had reached a very low point."

Nobody is quite sure why James' two-week break turned around his season. He does seem healthier and more explosive. If it was just fatigue and simple aches that he was dealing with, then two weeks may have been enough to revitalize him.

https://www.businessinsider.com/lebron-james-2-week-break-turned-his-season-around-2015-4


LeBron James Briefly Went To Miami Before Start Of Finals

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-lebron-james-udonis-haslem-s20180614-story.html



The Only Thing Stephen A Smith and Max Kellerman Can Agree On



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Ie5nmM1Xw&t=2m05s



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gild8BBvrkA&t=11m45s


Simmons: Naive To Think NBA Has No Players On PEDs

During a podcast on Monday, ESPN NBA analyst Bill Simmons suggested that the lessons from baseball's performance enhancing drug problems of the past two decades need to be studied by those involved in basketball.

"The retroactive thing is really funny to me," said Simmons. "It does seem like there is this weird residual guilt, especially with the writers: 'We didn't know. I should have known. How did we not know?'

"Why aren't we asking that now with the other sports? What about basketball? Go on YouTube and watch a basketball game from 1977 and see what the guys look like. You really think there are no PED guys in the NBA right now? You've got to be kidding me.

"It's just funny to me. If we end up repeating this whole cycle with the NBA. Everybody is going to be like, 'How did we not know?' It's the same thing we were going through with baseball in the late nineties."



https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231496/simmons-naive-to-think-nba-has-no-players-on-peds



Daring to Ask the PED Question

http://grantland.com/features/daring-ask-ped-question





Adam Silver: NBA is more concerned about HGH use than marijuana

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2014/11/24/adam-silver-nba-is-more-concerned-about-hgh-use-than-marijuana/?utm_term=.9ee7f921c5fc


NBA, NBPA to add HGH testing into anti-drug program

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/04/16/nba-and-nbpa-to-introduce-hgh-blood-testing


Why there’s never been a PED scandal in the NBA

https://www.complex.com/sports/2018/01/why-theres-never-been-a-ped-scandal-in-the-nba


Tell me the NBA has no Doping

http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/50443/tell-me-the-nba-has-no-doping


Three NBA Doping Myths

http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/54045/three-nba-doping-myths

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ougMITHKVW8



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ItkLiqzPo4



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-4pQZlXBMQ

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaKILPV78DU



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQDEkMYyuII



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCYTrAvrpnI

[eliteballer]

Any questions:pimp:

[Bronbron23]

I doubt you have if you think there is a single athlete out there natural at the top of their sport in a sport full of cheaters. If you legitimately think Usain Bolt as an example is natural when all of the other top 30 times were popped, then you're ignorant.

You've literally listed off a bunch of buzzwords; work ethic, knowledge, discipline, as if it means something in the context of this. We are already talking about the elite 1%, with millions at play, and you think they aren't doing everything to get a competitive advantage. Don't be asinine.

Where did I say it was hard for me to deal with anyone being better than anyone else? No one starts on the same base level. Steroids blurs the lines of who would be the best with or without gear. As I said, two people can take the exact same stack and have completely different results. One can be way ahead naturally than another, but someone respond way better to certain PEDs and overtake the naturally better athlete.

But its a moot point. I am fully aware and not ignorant to the fact that at the top most, if not all are juicing the some degree. They are essentially on a level playing field, so it doesn't matter to me.

Bruh it happens all the time. Serena williams was a beast as a teen. Way better than every other female athlete. Was she juicing at 18? No she was just naturally better. Zion is the same and bron was the same his whole ball career. High-school included.

And this isn't bodybuilding or track dude. Size strength and athleticism only goes so far in skill sports. The game is just as much mental and skill as it is physical. Look at the last however many fmvps. Is kawhi on roids? Is kd, duncan, kg, kobe, dirk, shaq, mj, bird and magic all on roids? What about other sports? Is tiger, brady and Federer all on steroids? They're all better than all of these supposed cheaters you talk about. Steroids aren't a magical drug. They make you faster and stronger. They don't make you more skilled and smarter.

Just stfu already. You don't know what your talking about

[Kblaze8855]

The delusion is unreal....this man does NOT.


https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2020/01/usatsi_13930302_168382939_lowres-e1579456536295.jpg



Look ANYTHING like these men.

https://media.gq.com/photos/5e99bf6fe5102200088e8eb2/3:4/w_1107,h_1476,c_limit/GQ-MichaelJordan-041720.jpg

https://www.ispo.com/sites/default/files/styles/content_width_phone/public/2020-01/imago07809543h.jpg?itok=FpHdSlod

https://cdn.britannica.com/19/200219-050-A33962F1/Hakeem-Olajuwon-1994.jpg

https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2020/04/07144804/GettyImages-168672560-1-1024x683.jpg

Karl Malone didn’t look like them either. But most aren’t stupid enough to compare an intense weight training power forward with 2 guards, a naturally slim African who didn’t lift for years, and a guy who literally had pizza delivered to the bench at one point and has a dozen nicknames about being fat. You long since passed the point of being rational though. You’ve been ignore list awful for years now but unfortunately....being a mod it won’t let me ignore people.

[eliteballer]

Was Malone running and jumping like he was 25 in his mid 30’s?

[eliteballer]

LeBron took a random detour to Miami from Cleveland days before the Finals in Golden State and dropped 50 points in game 1, no one finds that the “least” bit suspicious?:oldlol:

[riggyrich]

It's pretty damn obvious Lebron is on shit lol... Dude never gets injured, still playing like he's 25. Been to the damn finals 10x. There's no way somebody can look me in the eyes and tell me that man is a clean athlete. Most top athletes in the modern age are taking shit anyways so this doesn't remove his goat debate because most ball players in the past were on shit.

Credit to Elite Baller for all those vids. It's actually pretty interesting. I'm a lebron fan before anyone starts attacking me because this forum is pretty aggressive.

[Bronbron23]

It's pretty damn obvious Lebron is on shit lol... Dude never gets injured, still playing like he's 25. Been to the damn finals 10x. There's no way somebody can look me in the eyes and tell me that man is a clean athlete. Most top athletes in the modern age are taking shit anyways so this doesn't remove his goat debate because most ball players in the past were on shit.

Credit to Elite Baller for all those vids. It's actually pretty interesting. I'm a lebron fan before anyone starts attacking me because this forum is pretty aggressive.

You guys are idiots. His body is extremely achievable Naturally. The fact that he's durable and still athletic dosn't prove anything. Lots of athletes nowadays are having longer peaks due to better training and diets. Look at Federer and nadal. Look at serena williams just a few years ago. Look at brady.

Yall idiots find the best pick you can of bron looking swollen abd just run with it. Fact is he not even that jacked and his body is easily achievable Naturally. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P9wMnz0qMpo

[plowking]

Bruh it happens all the time. Serena williams was a beast as a teen. Way better than every other female athlete. Was she juicing at 18? No she was just naturally better. Zion is the same and bron was the same his whole ball career. High-school included.

And this isn't bodybuilding or track dude. Size strength and athleticism only goes so far in skill sports. The game is just as much mental and skill as it is physical. Look at the last however many fmvps. Is kawhi on roids? Is kd, duncan, kg, kobe, dirk, shaq, mj, bird and magic all on roids? What about other sports? Is tiger, brady and Federer all on steroids? They're all better than all of these supposed cheaters you talk about. Steroids aren't a magical drug. They make you faster and stronger. They don't make you more skilled and smarter.

Just stfu already. You don't know what your talking about


Dear god you have no idea what you're talking about.

Certain PED's help with recovery. Skills take time to build on. Being able to recover quicker and keep hammering home what you're working on builds strength, as well as skill.

Serena more than likely was on something from very early. Who knows about Zion. When millions of dollars are at play, people will do things to get ahead.

[riggyrich]

You guys are idiots. His body is extremely achievable Naturally. The fact that he's durable and still athletic dosn't prove anything. Lots of athletes nowadays are having longer peaks due to better training and diets. Look at Federer and nadal. Look at serena williams just a few years ago. Look at brady.

Yall idiots find the best pick you can of bron looking swollen abd just run with it. Fact is he not even that jacked and his body is easily achievable Naturally. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P9wMnz0qMpo

I'm sorry I took a shot at your idol. Giving by the name of your account u prolly *********e to his highlights every night. The NBA has never been known for strict PED testing and for how many years they didn't even test for HGH.

A lot of NBA players are on PEDS. FFS Giannis grew like 50lbs of muscle while keeping his athleticism in one summer. Stop telling me this is all achievable naturally when each of these athletes have access to PEDS and the tests are easily beaten.

MMA fighters are tested the most every year out of any sport and they constantly beat tests. Why is it so hard to believe that NBA players can do the exact same shit like cmon use some damn common sense instead of just ignoring logic and facts because of extreme levels of dick riding.

P.S I'm a lebron fan before every lebron dickrider comes at me.

[SATAN]

I'm sorry I took a shot at your idol. Giving by the name of your account u prolly *********e to his highlights every night.


Absolutely, bro. The guy talks about LeBron in every thread. He's probably the biggest stan here.

[Baller789]

Even if Lebron gets busted by the NBA. They won't allow their golden cash cow to be exposed.

That said, LBJ is probably using some state of the art designer drugs to avoid getting caught. That's the improved modern medicine and training for you folks.

[warriorfan]

Even if Lebron gets busted by the NBA. They won't allow their golden cash cow to be exposed.

That said, LBJ is probably using some state of the art designer drugs to avoid getting caught. That's the improved modern medicine and training for you folks.

That’s how it has always worked. The dopers are always one step ahead of the investigators. The top guys get access to the latest stuff that isn’t able to be tested for.

[eliteballer]

It's pretty damn obvious Lebron is on shit lol... Dude never gets injured, still playing like he's 25. Been to the damn finals 10x. There's no way somebody can look me in the eyes and tell me that man is a clean athlete. Most top athletes in the modern age are taking shit anyways so this doesn't remove his goat debate because most ball players in the past were on shit.

Credit to Elite Baller for all those vids. It's actually pretty interesting. I'm a lebron fan before anyone starts attacking me because this forum is pretty aggressive.

Seriously..mfer's actin like we trying to figure out nuclear physics here.

[Baller789]

Seriously..mfer's actin like we trying to figure out nuclear physics here.

And every Lebron ******ger is avoiding this thread like a plague

:roll:

[TheGoatest]

LeBron is literally the only player in the league who doesn't take PEDs.

[plowking]

Seriously..mfer's actin like we trying to figure out nuclear physics here.


Kobe and Jordan were on them too.

Something you have to live with.

[ZenMaster]

Dear god you have no idea what you're talking about.

Certain PED's help with recovery. Skills take time to build on. Being able to recover quicker and keep hammering home what you're working on builds strength, as well as skill.

Serena more than likely was on something from very early. Who knows about Zion. When millions of dollars are at play, people will do things to get ahead.

Yeah, people think steroids too much when it comes to PED's.

Last team I coached about 5 years ago, I had two guys come to me and ask about it, both hoping to go pro in Europe. They were 16 at the time.

[Baller789]

LeBron is literally the only player in the league who doesn't take PEDs.

:yaohappy::yaohappy:

[ArbitraryWater]

No player in nba history has been able to maintain production like their peak into their early and mid 30s, let alone someone with more mileage than anyone...

This is the new norm now.

Look around the world.

Brady, Federer/Rafa/Djokovic, Ronaldo...

[TheGoatest]

No player in nba history has been able to maintain production like their peak into their early and mid 30s, let alone someone with more mileage than anyone...

https://images2.imagebam.com/b5/c1/26/f3f0c21364071509.gif

[8Ball]

No player in nba history has been able to maintain production like their peak into their early and mid 30s, let alone someone with more mileage than anyone...

GOAT gonna GOAT.

Jordan's body was too small and meek to do what Bron does.

[warriorfan]

Because after he showed the world his short pen1s in 2015, everyone came to the agreement that he needs a break.

[tpols]

This is the new norm now.

Look around the world.

Brady, Federer/Rafa/Djokovic, Ronaldo...

These guys all play finesse positions... Nobody here has taken the physical beating of playing as many NBA minutes as LeBron... Guys like Kobe and MJ were physical shells of themselves at brons current minute total. Virtually every NBA player ever was. He's definitely on some,top notch gear, but I think playing for all these super teams has made it easier on him. That and playing in the east for so long, those are like free minutes.

[Elliott]

That’s why I don’t have Roid in my top 10. As talented and as many awards and chips he has, I have to dock major points for using PEDs in addition to the stacked teammates and favorable treatment from the refs and commissioner. I would have truly like to seen how good LeBron could be without all that help.

[8Ball]

That’s why I don’t have Roid in my top 10. As talented and as many awards and chips he has, I have to dock major points for using PEDs in addition to the stacked teammates and favorable treatment from the refs and commissioner. I would have truly like to seen how good LeBron could be without all that help.

Still better than Jordan. :confusedshrug:

The roiding 80s and 90s gets a pass?

[eliteballer]

Kobe and Jordan were on them too.

Something you have to live with.

Keep pulling that out of your ass to try and equate your hero with them, and maybe one day it’ll come true.

[eliteballer]

That’s why I don’t have Roid in my top 10. As talented and as many awards and chips he has, I have to dock major points for using PEDs in addition to the stacked teammates and favorable treatment from the refs and commissioner. I would have truly like to seen how good LeBron could be without all that help.

:eek:

[8Ball]

Keep pulling that out of your ass to try and equate your hero with them, and maybe one day it’ll come true.

https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2020/04/27/80ffc7b3-e668-4f59-a75f-09ac3c28ca26/thumbnail/1200x675/17bff0aae9fb4bc17a3cca6b9532355f/michael-jordan.jpg

https://www.sportscasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Michael-Jordan-e1431634954201.jpg

Roids

[InnerZen]

As a LeRun fan... absolutely :(

[TheGoatest]

https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2020/04/27/80ffc7b3-e668-4f59-a75f-09ac3c28ca26/thumbnail/1200x675/17bff0aae9fb4bc17a3cca6b9532355f/michael-jordan.jpg

https://www.sportscasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Michael-Jordan-e1431634954201.jpg

Roids

No other explanation.
Jordan extremists avoid discussing these pictures LIKE A PLAGUE.

[eliteballer]

Uh oh attack of the alts.

[8Ball]

How is this not steroids in action??

https://static.highsnobiety.com/thumbor/U-ZaOkzKWpj1lVnVlJS4md37rDY=/960x576/static.highsnobiety.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/15210930/michael-jordan-documentary-netflix-000.jpg

[red1]

Because after he showed the world his short pen1s in 2015, everyone came to the agreement that he needs a break.

be careful if you keep posting like this you might get cashew excited

[eliteballer]

As a LeRun fan... absolutely :(

:eek:

[red1]

more evidence - damn:




https://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Barry+Bonds+Michael+Jordan+Presidents+Cup+SXqw4qmC 5Rtl.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/95/26/43/9526430be7293d0a3136273d13241ec3.jpg

[TheGoatest]

Jordan was taking roids as early as his rookie season:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d9/54/e9/d954e93fb3ed5671c25ebd8c591b1e3a.jpg

https://kronozio.blob.core.windows.net/images/card/3ec2b6754b574de4a945d0b24c714fc6_front.jpg

Basically, all of his career accomplishments should be erased from history. Not that they are better than LeBron's clean, non-roid accomplishments anyway...

[eliteballer]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b6/22/c2/b622c23710df06e9d8fdffa44f475994--cleveland-cavs-king-james.jpg

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/UkLrKr3KVvmKb9pLowD34pgjRlg=/0x0:1000x667/1200x800/filters:focal(0x0:1000x667)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/photo_images/2971465/GYI0065063672.jpg

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/lebron-james-of-the-cleveland-cavaliers-looks-to-pass-against-the-san-picture-id85153038

https://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/LeBron+James+Orlando+Magic+v+Cleveland+Cavaliers+i CV3WkaL3MTl.jpg

https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/711x516/https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/dam/imageserve/a5dd1ed0958f431194970ae7b1dbf5ea/960x0.jpg
..

[red1]

damn


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c3/3b/43/c33b436694a6a819fa6cf5aa52bf2278.jpg
https://theanklebreaker.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/michael-jordan-unc-defense1.jpg
https://www.sportscasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Michael-Jordan-e1431634954201.jpg

[TheGoatest]

damn

https://theanklebreaker.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/michael-jordan-unc-defense1.jpg
https://www.sportscasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Michael-Jordan-e1431634954201.jpg

And Jordan extremists would try to convince you that he got like that through "hard work". :roll:

[8Ball]

Cliffs,

All elite athletes are on PEDs.

[eliteballer]

The desperation of the LeRoid fam:oldlol:

[Baller789]

The desperation of the LeRoid fam:oldlol:

Yep. Jordan even took a break from basketball. There's no irregularity in that.

But Lebron with his longevity, mid career renaissance and questionable detours to Miami?

Highly suspicious.

[eliteballer]

Looking unnaturally massive tonight, pics coming.

[Axe]

Yep. Jordan even took a break from basketball. There's no irregularity in that.
Not a good thing if you gamble too much. It just creates a lot of heat from the league officials.

[And1AllDay]

im noticing how many weak betas that dont go to the gym are at ish

if you cant bench 315 then stfu becos you dont understand basic weight lifting

[Baller789]

Not a good thing if you gamble too much. It just creates a lot of heat from the league officials.
Thats why he had to take a break. Or was forced to.

Lebron not smart enough to realize what he's doing is showing his PED's usage even more.

[eliteballer]

https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2020/10/01/d2793ffd-8f2d-4b8a-af9c-1fee77e8c1ee/thumbnail/640x360/44c2e2b02bbb9a81b0f4b6176a529c6b/lebron-2.jpg

https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2020/01/usatsi_8449792_168382939_lowres-e1579298983440.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1

https://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/010816_wiglbj.jpg

[ZionDunks]

It's my opinion that Lebron is on something and most other players are not. Think about it. He hasn't had very many injuries outside of his groin strain and cramp. And the obvious thing to look at is he's only gotten bigger and stronger. I would think that weight training is only part of Lebron's regimen. He does a lot of other things, so I think he's getting a lot of help. Plus, his face and jaw looks unnatural. And he wears a beard now, so he could be trying to hide.

Think about it. How does Lebron score most of his points? Moves? Shooting? Mostly driving to the rim and bulldozing. No other player does that. And no player would be allowed to do that with the rules.

Let's say Lebron is on some regimen. Why wouldn't he be? Didn't he admit to spending millions of dollars on his body? Why wouldn't he be doing something quasi legal? Wouldn't that bring his rating down? His main asset is his body and overpowering others.

I grew up with people who know Lebron since his Akron days. Have a lot of stories I could share but won’t.

He is and has been on HGH for well over a decade now. You would have to blatantly ignore visuals to think otherwise, but I know people who know people and yes; he has been on HGH to my knowledge and also some other non detectable designer steroids that keep you lean while building fast twitch muscle groups, that would never show in a test because of the masking agent. This is hardly the worst I know of LeBron James, which is the scary part. And if you think I’m just some Lebron hater think again.

If I was I would tell the real evil stories!

[DoctorP]

That’s why I don’t have Roid in my top 10. As talented and as many awards and chips he has, I have to dock major points for using PEDs in addition to the stacked teammates and favorable treatment from the refs and commissioner. I would have truly like to seen how good LeBron could be without all that help.

Let's say he never colluded , stayed in cle and didn't take peds i think hed still be going for #4 this season, although probably as a second option.

[TheGoatest]

Weeks later and still no reply to pictures that unquestionably prove Joran took steroids? Go figure.

[light]

The only PED in LeBron's legacy is that he's the Potentate Exemplar Dominus of NBA history.

[light]

Weeks later and still no reply to pictures that unquestionably prove Joran took steroids? Go figure.

There wouldn't be pictures if he was micro-dosing. There are only accounts of his unusual endurance and energy even after continuous sleepless nights. According to basically everyone on the Bulls he never slept (he stayed up gambling and smoking/drinking). Yet he still somehow had that high motor night in and night out.

[dawsey6]

Who cares even if he was dosing? Let's say we found out every player top-15 all-time used PEDs. Do you really care?

Even if it were able to be proven beyond a doubt in year 18 for LeBron, whatcha gonna do? Give his rings to Adam Silver? Redistribute his awards and accomplishments to other players by committee? Do we send special detection to every player henceforth who's particularly better than the rest of the NBA at basketball? Do we launch investigations into long-dead Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell because they averaged 25rpg and Wilt is still the only player in history to average over 48mpg in a season? Do we investigate Michael Jordan because he was so much better, faster, quicker, better conditioned, more agile, and at some point stronger than the rest of the league for years while almost never getting sleep? If the investigation into these NBA legends actually gained legal and social traction, do we continue to side-eye every really good athlete with big biceps that can play all 48 minutes from now on?

I hope LeBron averages 20ppg at 40, just like MJ did. You know why? Because that **** is amazing to watch. Aside from them taking care of their own overall health, I don't give a damn how they do it. It isn't fair that a buttload of money can buy you access to quicker transport to support tighter schedules, well-planned diets and private chefs, a payroll of your own doctors/trainers/therapists, and shoes designed just for you to wear every year, yet we accept it and respect it as part of the game. On top of that, y'all are so zeroed in on LeBron, when freakishly good athletes been around since 19always.

Seriously. It must really suck to not be able to just enjoy the game.

[Axe]

Who cares even if he was dosing? Let's say we found out every player top-15 all-time used PEDs. Do you really care?

Even if it were able to be proven beyond a doubt in year 18 for LeBron, whatcha gonna do? Give his rings to Adam Silver? Redistribute his awards and accomplishments to other players by committee? Do we send special detection to every player henceforth who's particularly better than the rest of the NBA at basketball? Do we launch investigations into long-dead Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell because they averaged 25rpg and Wilt is still the only player in history to average over 48mpg in a season? Do we investigate Michael Jordan because he was so much better, faster, quicker, better conditioned, more agile, and at some point stronger than the rest of the league for years while almost never getting sleep? If the investigation into these NBA legends actually gained legal and social traction, do we continue to side-eye every really good athlete with big biceps that can play all 48 minutes from now on?

I hope LeBron averages 20ppg at 40, just like MJ did. You know why? Because that **** is amazing to watch. Aside from them taking care of their own overall health, I don't give a damn how they do it. It isn't fair that a buttload of money can buy you access to quicker transport to support tighter schedules, well-planned diets and private chefs, a payroll of your own doctors/trainers/therapists, and shoes designed just for you to wear every year, yet we accept it and respect it as part of the game. On top of that, y'all are so zeroed in on LeBron, when freakishly good athletes been around since 19always.

Seriously. It must really suck to not be able to just enjoy the game.
Op does care whenever he's on his adderalls lol

[eliteballer]

I grew up with people who know Lebron since his Akron days. Have a lot of stories I could share but won’t.

He is and has been on HGH for well over a decade now. You would have to blatantly ignore visuals to think otherwise, but I know people who know people and yes; he has been on HGH to my knowledge and also some other non detectable designer steroids that keep you lean while building fast twitch muscle groups, that would never show in a test because of the masking agent. This is hardly the worst I know of LeBron James, which is the scary part. And if you think I’m just some Lebron hater think again.

If I was I would tell the real evil stories!

:eek:

[Baller789]

I grew up with people who know Lebron since his Akron days. Have a lot of stories I could share but won’t.

He is and has been on HGH for well over a decade now. You would have to blatantly ignore visuals to think otherwise, but I know people who know people and yes; he has been on HGH to my knowledge and also some other non detectable designer steroids that keep you lean while building fast twitch muscle groups, that would never show in a test because of the masking agent. This is hardly the worst I know of LeBron James, which is the scary part. And if you think I’m just some Lebron hater think again.

If I was I would tell the real evil stories!

Thing is, its pretty obvious though.
Bran should have been done years ago, but he has found his fountain of peds, i mean youth.

[jayfan]

If it's ever factually established, either by proof or admission, that

1.) Bron has been using PED's throughout his career,

and

2.) none of the preceding players in the top 10 goat conversation used PED's at all,


Then yes. He'd be lumped into the steroid asterisk group with Bonds and Clemens.

[jmcwilliams]

James should have been done years ago without PED's.
Remember when people noticed him declining and thought he was done?

Now he's suddenly regained some form.

His PEDs usage is so obvious.

Not the GOAT.

Wasn't Jordan getting his ass handed to him until he hit the weight room and "bulked up". Roids were Rife in the 90's. You think he wasnt on them?

[TheGoatest]

Wasn't Jordan getting his ass handed to him until he hit the weight room and "bulked up". Roids were Rife in the 90's. You think he wasnt on them?

This was Jordan in 1986:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9c/38/4b/9c384b6392dc493d936a9998c9b8de6a.jpg

This was Jordan in 1987 or 1988:

https://i.imgur.com/Zbm7ELG.png

Only steroids can cause such a rapid loss of hair.

[eliteballer]

https://instagram.com/p/CJ1kyCfgThj/

[Axe]

This was Jordan in 1986:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9c/38/4b/9c384b6392dc493d936a9998c9b8de6a.jpg

This was Jordan in 1987 or 1988:

https://i.imgur.com/Zbm7ELG.png

Only steroids can cause such a rapid loss of hair.
Lol you act as if many great players weren't bald

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmB6YCUzgMU

[paksat]

Weeks later and still no reply to pictures that unquestionably prove Joran took steroids? Go figure.

I mean people just think jordan was just so fast and athletic cuz he was natural?

It would explain a LOT wouldn't you think?

I don't really care who does what, I just laugh at people that think lebronze is clean. That guy has probably taken over a mile long amount of needles in his life time at this point.

[TheGoatest]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DS_xIzuVoAERSCf.jpg

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/sports-stars-barry-bonds-and-michael-jordan-clown-around-on-the-picture-id91601531?s=612x612

[ZionDunks]

Wasn't Jordan getting his ass handed to him until he hit the weight room and "bulked up". Roids were Rife in the 90's. You think he wasnt on them?

Not a chance. That wouldn’t stay bottled up all these years. A word has never been written that he was. Good genetics and hard work. He never looked like a hulk

[light]

Not a chance. That wouldn’t stay bottled up all these years. A word has never been written that he was. Good genetics and hard work. He never looked like a hulk

Back in Jordan's day megastar "good guy" celebrities were protected by the media. They didn't run negative stories about guys like MJ unless it was unavoidable (which eventually happened with him because of his gambling which led to court appearances). They wouldn't run negative stories even if they had the scoop. It was a different business back then.

We will never know what anyone did in the 70s, 80s and 90s. For MJ, the only people who would know would be Jordan and his trainer - who is now fiercely loyal to him. But we do know is that in general the players were free to do whatever they wanted and that a lot of players were doing other hard drugs in MJ's era. There was a cocaine epidemic in the NBA in the 80s, for example.

It's possible that he used PEDs not to bulk up but for endurance - so that he had more in the tank in the 4th compared to everyone else - basically what Lance Armstrong did.

I would not be at all surprised if a bunch of players did something like that.

[eliteballer]

I don't really care who does what, I just laugh at people that think lebronze is clean. That guy has probably taken over a mile long amount of needles in his life time at this point.

+1

[TheGoatest]

It's possible that he used PEDs not to bulk up but for endurance - so that he had more in the tank in the 4th compared to everyone else - basically what Lance Armstrong did.


:oldlol: @ "possible"

Anyone who doesn't think that Jordan has been taking PEDs his whole career needs to check into some kind of a mental rehabilitation institution.

[eliteballer]

:oldlol: @ "possible"

Anyone who doesn't think that Jordan has been taking PEDs his whole career needs to check into some kind of a mental rehabilitation institution.
LeRoid fans trying so hard:roll:

[TheGoatest]

LeRoid fans trying so hard:roll:

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to ruin your LeBron PED allegation fest backed up by the scientifically verified method of posting pictures and quotes from fellow haters.

https://images2.imagebam.com/48/27/b1/5c22ca1368948932.gif

Anyway, Jordan took roids. Everyone knows this.

[eliteballer]

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to ruin your LeBron PED allegation fest backed up by the scientifically verified method of posting pictures and quotes from fellow haters.




Yeah, a super athletic player at 36 doing as well as the best players in the world while having played a trillion minutes and staying injury free being on PED's is a really farfetched proposition:roll:

[TheGoatest]

Yeah, a super athletic player at 36 doing as well as the best players in the world while having played a trillion minutes and staying injury free being on PED's is a really farfetched proposition:roll:

I didn't even know this was one your "arguments" for LeBron using PEDs. If you really are serious, then you're even dumber than I thought considering the fact that steroids increase the risk of injury.

[eliteballer]

I didn't even know this was one your "arguments" for LeBron using PEDs. If you really are serious, then you're even dumber than I thought considering the fact that steroids increase the risk of injury.

PED's are definitely used to speed/improve recovery and injury prevention.....don't comment if you have no idea what you're talking about.

Steroids aren't the only PED's.

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmB6YCUzgMU


Watch it numbnuts.

[TheGoatest]

PED's are definitely used to speed/improve recovery and injury prevention.....don't comment if you have no idea what you're talking about.

Steroids aren't the only PED's.

Is that why you're constantly calling him "LeRoid"?

Is that why your "argument" for LeBron using PEDs consists of posting pictures of him where his muscles are emphasized?

Those goal posts you move must be heavy. Perhaps you should take some steroids to increase your muscle mass in order to move them easier.

[eliteballer]

Keep up your gibberish, it still wont change the truth.

[TheGoatest]

What 's that? The QAnon motto?

[Hey Yo]

PED's are definitely used to speed/improve recovery and injury prevention.....don't comment if you have no idea what you're talking about.

Steroids aren't the only PED's.
Got the links that specify what PED's to take that allegedly prevents injuries?

[TheGoatest]

If there were PEDs that really prevented injuries, the NBA itself would have a state of the art PED center to give the players all the injury-prevention PEDs they need and then some.
How much money do they lose when a superstar misses a season due to injury? How much money have they lost last season because Durant, Curry and Klay were missing?

[eliteballer]

Lol, pro sports testing is a joke and the illogical desperation of LeRoid fans is pathetic.

[Smoke117]

Lol, pro sports testing is a joke and the illogical desperation of LeRoid fans is pathetic.

Lol a ****ing loser with 12500 post mostly obsessively hating on a basketball player calling others pathetic is hilarious. :oldlol:

[eliteballer]

You have twice as many posts as me in less time :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

Why you duckin?


Still waiting for links that specify which PED's to take that allegedly prevents injuries.

[Smoke117]

You have twice as many posts as me in less time :oldlol:

Yeah...and I actually post about basketball...I don’t just obsessively hate about some basketball player I don’t like ,like you you ****ing retarded mongoloid half wit

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmB6YCUzgMU

Who's duckin?

[eliteballer]

https://instagram.com/p/CK5fl71FiL5/

[eliteballer]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Money23Green/status/1357556310875779072

[Hey Yo]

PED's are definitely used to speed/improve recovery and injury prevention.....don't comment if you have no idea what you're talking about.
Which PED's are specifically used to prevent injuries?

[Spurs m8]

Yep.

On top of colluding, the dude is a literal cheat.

[TheGoatest]

Which PED's are specifically used to prevent injuries?

The ones in his head, created to vent out his frustration at LeBron being this good at the age of 36/18th season.

[eliteballer]

https://sa.kapamilya.com/absnews/abscbnnews/media/2020/news/11/21/montrezl-harrell.jpg


https://images.spot.im/v1/production/wravgecqcunpmz5infiv


https://cdn.shortpixel.ai/client/q_glossy,ret_img/https://nbanewsnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/nbanewsnow.comwww.talkbasket.netEuZis1J-e232c3531f89c948ac955a0c141386a27b5ca249-678x381.jpeg

[72-10]

There are several factors to take into account when judging the LeBron legacy.

[eliteballer]

There are several factors to take into account when judging the LeBron legacy.


:eek:

[TheGoatest]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWk_gx4WkAEsUEQ.jpg

https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/slides/photos/004/391/238/hi-res-6183ab5a53fd5c1bcb279741cd5de7c6_crop_exact.jpg?w= 1200&h=1200&q=75

[TheGoatest]

https://images2.imagebam.com/82/5b/04/03e3b01372794265.png

[SATAN]

Madonna proved shrunken Michael was juiced up.

[eliteballer]

https://image-cdn.essentiallysports.com/wp-content/uploads/20200306212407/lebron-james-best-stories-twojpg.jpg





https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/c_fill,g_auto,f_auto,h_2000,w_3000/https%3A%2F%2Fairalamo.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fgetty-images%2F2018%2F01%2F909447398-cleveland-cavaliers-v-san-antonio-spurs.jpg.jpg

[eliteballer]

https://image-cdn.essentiallysports.com/wp-content/uploads/20200306212407/lebron-james-best-stories-twojpg.jpg




https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/c_fill,g_auto,f_auto,h_2000,w_3000/https%3A%2F%2Fairalamo.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fgetty-images%2F2018%2F01%2F909447398-cleveland-cavaliers-v-san-antonio-spurs.jpg.jpg
:eek:

[Ainosterhaspie]

So much wrong here, not with the idea that LeBron might be using something, but inconsistencies and absurdities used to support that assertion which can be as reasonably directed at any NBA player now and for much of the history of the league as LeBron. Some of the flaws in the attacks on LeBron in this thread...

--
His athleticism and endurance have clearly significantly declined since his peak around 2009. If you think he looks anywhere close to as athletic now as he did then, you really need to watch some of that old footage because you have forgotten the truth.

His game is different now, relying more on old man game and years of experience boosting what already was a high BBIQ. He is an improved shooter, knows how to get things done with less energy, and knows how to pace himself while playing. That started in earnest in 2014.

--
LeBron is an outlier among outliers. He has been since junior high. The fact that he continues to be one is not evidence of something nefarious afoot. It's not evidence he's dirty and the league is clean. His skills are clearly improved compared to 2011 and before, yet he no longer stands out from the rest of the league as much as he did then. He was just so far beyond everyone else physically that when he declined, he became more normal, while still retaining a skill/experience/size combo that continues to give him an edge. Performance enhancers aren't necessary for any of that. (Doesn't mean he's not on them, but being on enhancers isn't the only explanation.)

--

The agenda is obvious and undermines everything the "LeBro. juices" crowd is pushing. Look in this thread. No one is strenuously defending LeBron as clean. That he could be on something seems widely accepted, but not many seem to care. That's because the same things that point to him using point to every other player using. Until the James haters start pushing the PED narrative for the whole league instead of singling out the guy they don't like anyway, it's just a duplicitous agenda not worth listening to. Either it matters accross the board or it does t matter at all.

--
The pictures aren't convincing anyone of anything. He doesn't look unnaturally large. He's a big, guy. He always has been. No one is looking at those pictures thinking he must be on PEDs. He's big, but random dudes with no reason to juice are that big too.

[deathawaitu]

We pity him cause he doesn’t have a dad
Lebron was raised as a beta boy that’s why he needs PED to act like a big boy

[eliteballer]

:mad:

[eliteballer]

It's my opinion that Lebron is on something and most other players are not. Think about it. He hasn't had very many injuries outside of his groin strain and cramp. And the obvious thing to look at is he's only gotten bigger and stronger. I would think that weight training is only part of Lebron's regimen. He does a lot of other things, so I think he's getting a lot of help. Plus, his face and jaw looks unnatural. And he wears a beard now, so he could be trying to hide.

Think about it. How does Lebron score most of his points? Moves? Shooting? Mostly driving to the rim and bulldozing. No other player does that. And no player would be allowed to do that with the rules.

Let's say Lebron is on some regimen. Why wouldn't he be? Didn't he admit to spending millions of dollars on his body? Why wouldn't he be doing something quasi legal? Wouldn't that bring his rating down? His main asset is his body and overpowering others.

Too many red flags.

[DABIGSALSISHA]

Yes, Lebron has been using Steroids for a long time and balless Silver has also been allowing that 100% for a while. He is the blueprint of the league, right?

The attenuated baldness and sudden muscle growth explosion that man had, especially in Miami are the clear signs that he has been shooting up or swallowing PED pills for a while. He put up a ton of muscle in a short period of time and diet along with exercise don't do that especially for a man that burn thousands of calories a day like him.

HGH and PURE TESTOSTERONE ARE THE " KING'S" FAVOURITE DRUGS and of course that's not counting the other ones being used to clear himself up prior to the anti drug tests and shit. Don't worry Lebron fans, your guy is a Steroid Junkie but that's normal in all sports.

[Spurs m8]

Yes, Lebron has been using Steroids for a long time and balless Silver has also been allowing that 100% for a while. He is the blueprint of the league, right?

The attenuated baldness and sudden muscle growth explosion that man had, especially in Miami are the clear signs that he has been shooting up or swallowing PED pills for a while. He put up a ton of muscle in a short period of time and diet along with exercise don't do that especially for a man that burn thousands of calories a day like him.

HGH and PURE TESTOSTERONE ARE THE " KING'S" FAVOURITE DRUGS and of course that's not counting the other ones being used to clear himself up prior to the anti drug tests and shit. Don't worry Lebron fans, your guy is a Steroid Junkie but that's normal in all sports.

This.

And yeah, bald cvnt won't do anything because it will tarnish the league.

[eliteballer]

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2021/03/17/NTBU/0d5298c2-e829-40b3-a617-9cf0ca983aeb-Red_Sox.jpg?width=660&height=372&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

[DABIGSALSISHA]

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2021/03/17/NTBU/0d5298c2-e829-40b3-a617-9cf0ca983aeb-Red_Sox.jpg?width=660&height=372&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

HE went from 220 to 280 almost. Steroids did wonders for him and his performance but will bite him back one day. IT's always like that with steroids.

[DABIGSALSISHA]

https://images2.imagebam.com/82/5b/04/03e3b01372794265.png

Nah, Jordan was too much of an old school guy to take steroids.
The GOAT was 100% natural and that's another reason he is TRUE GOAT to this day! Besides, Jordan put on like 10 lbs which is normal.

Lebron, The Great Steroid Alexander of the league, put on 60 lbs of freaking lean mass from 220-280!! Adam Silver knows but will never do or say a thing to stop it until LeSuitcase of steroids retires.

[8Ball]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWk_gx4WkAEsUEQ.jpg

https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/slides/photos/004/391/238/hi-res-6183ab5a53fd5c1bcb279741cd5de7c6_crop_exact.jpg?w= 1200&h=1200&q=75

Steroids.

[eliteballer]

Steroids.

Uh oh, attack of the alts.

[eliteballer]

https://www.hellomagazine.com/imagenes/homes/2020051990068/the-last-dance-michael-jordan-home-photos/0-431-723/michael-jordan-t.jpg










https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2020/01/usatsi_13930302_168382939_lowres-e1579456536295.jpg


https://sa.kapamilya.com/absnews/abscbnnews/media/2020/news/11/21/montrezl-harrell.jpg

https://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/LeBron+James+Orlando+Magic+v+Cleveland+Cavaliers+i CV3WkaL3MTl.jpg

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/UkLrKr3KVvmKb9pLowD34pgjRlg=/0x0:1000x667/1200x800/filters:focal(0x0:1000x667)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/photo_images/2971465/GYI0065063672.jpg

[eliteballer]

https://www.yardbarker.com/media/b/7/b7a9f6fedb6161fe63067f6e1eff720d262140e2/thumb_16x9/lebron-james-on-lead-lakers-anthony-davis.jpg?v=1

[eliteballer]

https://image-cdn.essentiallysports.com/wp-content/uploads/20200306212407/lebron-james-best-stories-twojpg.jpg





https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/c_fill,g_auto,f_auto,h_2000,w_3000/https%3A%2F%2Fairalamo.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fgetty-images%2F2018%2F01%2F909447398-cleveland-cavaliers-v-san-antonio-spurs.jpg.jpg

Hmmm.

[BallsOut]

Lebron's hair falling apart is definitely suspicious

[eliteballer]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/78/b0/a2/78b0a2c387a32d82725dca185606d6a3.jpg

https://redgol.cl/__export/1595264749917/sites/redgol/img/2020/07/20/lebron_james-kobe_bryant-lakers-cleveland-nba_crop1595264748547.jpg_423682103.jpg

https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/w_2000,h_2000,c_fit/https%3A%2F%2Fsircharlesincharge.com%2Ffiles%2F201 6%2F03%2Flebron-james-kobe-bryant-nba-cleveland-cavaliers-los-angeles-lakers.jpg

https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/o3u/o3ujnm-img08.lakers.0116.per.116e7fkjkl11866809.jpg?w=620

[eliteballer]

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1824/43162743401_575303931e_c.jpg

https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/w_2000,h_2000,c_fit/https%3A%2F%2Fkingjamesgospel.com%2Ffiles%2F2016%2 F03%2Flebron-james-kobe-bryant-nba-cleveland-cavaliers-los-angeles-lakers-2.jpg

[ImKobe]

Yes. He's a fraud.

[Ice Trae]

Careful these accusations will make Shooter cry

[eliteballer]

Yes. He's a fraud.


:eek:

[Spurs m8]

It's pretty bad the nba let record holders literally cheat to get there lol

Maybe they're waiting for him to retire and fvck off and then they'll call it out and delete them all...as they should.

[FKAri]

It's pretty bad the nba let record holders literally cheat to get there lol

Maybe they're waiting for him to retire and fvck off and then they'll call it out and delete them all...as they should.

We'd have to throw out all stats from the last 30 years to do that.

[eliteballer]

We'd have to throw out all stats from the last 30 years to do that.

No we wouldn't LeRoid fan.

[eliteballer]

:mad:

[eliteballer]

:mad:

[eliteballer]

https://image-cdn.essentiallysports.com/wp-content/uploads/20200306212407/lebron-james-best-stories-twojpg.jpg


https://www.yardbarker.com/media/b/7/b7a9f6fedb6161fe63067f6e1eff720d262140e2/thumb_16x9/lebron-james-on-lead-lakers-anthony-davis.jpg?v=1

:eek:

[SaintzFury13]

Imagine still thinking LeBron took PEDs.

[eliteballer]

:mad:

[tontoz]

Lebron weighed 245 at the combine as a teenager.

[eliteballer]

:eek:

[eliteballer]

It's my opinion that Lebron is on something and most other players are not. Think about it. He hasn't had very many injuries outside of his groin strain and cramp. And the obvious thing to look at is he's only gotten bigger and stronger. I would think that weight training is only part of Lebron's regimen. He does a lot of other things, so I think he's getting a lot of help. Plus, his face and jaw looks unnatural. And he wears a beard now, so he could be trying to hide.

Think about it. How does Lebron score most of his points? Moves? Shooting? Mostly driving to the rim and bulldozing. No other player does that. And no player would be allowed to do that with the rules.

Let's say Lebron is on some regimen. Why wouldn't he be? Didn't he admit to spending millions of dollars on his body? Why wouldn't he be doing something quasi legal? Wouldn't that bring his rating down? His main asset is his body and overpowering others.

:eek:

[eliteballer]

https://image-cdn.essentiallysports.com/wp-content/uploads/20200306212407/lebron-james-best-stories-twojpg.jpg


https://www.yardbarker.com/media/b/7/b7a9f6fedb6161fe63067f6e1eff720d262140e2/thumb_16x9/lebron-james-on-lead-lakers-anthony-davis.jpg?v=1

:eek:

*hes LOoked TheE Same sinCE 16*

[eliteballer]

:eek:

[Spurs m8]

It's funny because in most sports the dude would be cancelled and have all his accomplishments erased.

But the nba can't do that to its name and reputation, so they sweep it under the rug

Shameless

[SaintzFury13]

It's funny because in most sports the dude would be cancelled and have all his accomplishments erased.

But the nba can't do that to its name and reputation, so they sweep it under the rug

Shameless

Well first it needs to be proven.

[eliteballer]

https://youtu.be/ougMITHKVW8

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Ie5nmM1Xw



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gild8BBvrkA

[eliteballer]

It's funny because in most sports the dude would be cancelled and have all his accomplishments erased.

But the nba can't do that to its name and reputation, so they sweep it under the rug

Shameless

Wait until he retires..

[Spurs m8]

Wait until he retires..

Honestly hope justice is served

[John8204]

My top three all-time(MJ, Wilt, Lebron) all likely used steroids..doesn't mean I really care...but the lack of proof aside from durr...he big, it's not enough.

[eliteballer]

No, only LeRoid.