Which players do better than 1-9 given MJs situation from 1985-1987?

[Gus Hemmingway]

MJ had multiple 15-20ppg scorers those years, he basically had a Pippen + a Wade each season, for example:

1985:
Woolridge (23ppg Pippen-level player)
Quintin Dailey (16ppg 2013 Wade level player)


1986:
Woolridge (21 ppg Pippen level player)
Quintin Dailey (16ppg 2013 Wade level player)
George Gervin (16ppg)
Charles Oakley (Steve Adams equivalent)

1987:
Charles Oakley (Averaged 14/13, basically a Drummond)
John Paxson



Who goes better than 1-9 and having a losing record every season with this roster? I can list 25-30 players all-time.

[8Ball]

This is what 3ball thinks of 1-9 by the way:


It's bad that Jordan went 1-9

[SouBeachTalents]

Jason Terry

[Gus Hemmingway]

Bump

[Bronbron23]

MJ had multiple 15-20ppg scorers those years, he basically had a Pippen + a Wade each season, for example:

1985:
Woolridge (23ppg Pippen-level player)
Quintin Dailey (16ppg 2013 Wade level player)


1986:
Woolridge (21 ppg Pippen level player)
Quintin Dailey (16ppg 2013 Wade level player)
George Gervin (16ppg)
Charles Oakley (Steve Adams equivalent)

1987:
Charles Oakley (Averaged 14/13, basically a Drummond)
John Paxson



Who goes better than 1-9 and having a losing record every season with this roster? I can list 25-30 players all-time.

Another troll thread from this guy:facepalm

To bite though the answer is nobody Obviously. His team was mediocre and the east then was absolutely stacked.

[Gus Hemmingway]

Another troll thread from this guy:facepalm

To bite though the answer is nobody Obviously. His team was mediocre and the east then was absolutely stacked.

He had a Pippen/Wade as his 2nd and 3rd options (15-20ppg scorers)

Why wasn’t that enough?

[jalbert009]

Mean while the self proclaimed king missing the playoffs his first 2 seasons in the weak east with an all star center...

[Bronbron23]

He had a Pippen/Wade as his 2nd and 3rd options (15-20ppg scorers)

Why wasn’t that enough?

Bruh your an idiot or a troll. He had nothing close to a wade from 85-87. Pip was a rookie in 87. He didn't even score 10 points a game. Stop trolling

[Manny98]

Another troll thread from this guy:facepalm

To bite though the answer is nobody Obviously. His team was mediocre and the east then was absolutely stacked.
Orlando Woolridge was one of the best scorers of the 80s and Charles Oakley averaged 20/15 Vs the Celtics

How much help does MJ need, Lebron would get torn to shreds if he missed the finals with a elite scorer such as Woolridge by his side

[RRR3]

Mean while the self proclaimed king missing the playoffs his first 2 seasons in the weak east with an all star center...
Not really a gotcha considering LeBron wasn’t that great as a rookie (he was a teenager, MJ was in college at the same age) and in his second year he led the Cavs to a winning record which MJ didn’t achieve until his fourth season. All that means is that in LeBron’s second season even a 42-40 team missed the playoffs. MJ made the playoffs with 38-44, 30-52 (he was hurt most of the year), and 40-42 teams.

[Bronbron23]

Orlando Woolridge was one of the best scorers of the 80s and Charles Oakley averaged 20/15 Vs the Celtics

How much help does MJ need, Lebron would get torn to shreds if he missed the finals with a elite scorer such as Woolridge by his side

So orlando Woolridge and charles oakley are pip/wade now?

I'm done with yall trolls:facepalm

[SATAN]

So orlando Woolridge and charles oakley are pip/wade now?

I'm done with yall trolls:facepalm

No you're not. :lol

[SATAN]

Not really a gotcha considering LeBron wasn’t that great as a rookie (he was a teenager, MJ was in college at the same age) and in his second year he led the Cavs to a winning record which MJ didn’t achieve until his fourth season. All that means is that in LeBron’s second season even a 42-40 team missed the playoffs. MJ made the playoffs with 38-44, 30-52 (he was hurt most of the year), and 40-42 teams.

Interesting.

[Manny98]

So orlando Woolridge and charles oakley are pip/wade now?

I'm done with yall trolls:facepalm
When did I say that?

Jordan had a second option that averaged 23ppg alongside him and a center that was all defense and put up 20/15 against the Celtics so the idea that his supporting cast was trash is questionable because I have seen other players carry worst casts than what Jordan had to championships.

Jordan was simply not as great at raising the floor of bad teams as well as others like Lebron and Kareem who have proven that they can elevate bad teams into championship contenders

[FKAri]

Tough to say. But off the top of my head I'm thinking,









































Wilt Chamberlain
Bill Russell
Shaquille O’Neal
Oscar Robertson
Magic Johnson
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Tim Duncan
Larry Bird
Kobe Bryant
Jerry West
Elgin Baylor
Hakeem Olajuwon
Bob Petit
Moses Malone
Julius Erving
John Havlicek
Karl Malone
Isiah Thomas
Charles Barkley
Rick Barry
John Stockton
Elvin Hayes
Bob Cousy
David Robinson
Kevin McHale
Scottie Pippen
Jason Kidd
George Mikan
Kevin Garnett
LeBron James
Willis Reed
Wes Unseld
Nate Thurmond
Dolph Schayes
Walt Frazier
Patrick Ewing
Jerry Lucas
Gary Payton
Allen Iverson
Billy Cunningham
Clyde Drexler
Dominique Wilkins
Dave Cowens
George Gervin
Bob McAdoo
Earl Monroe
Dennis Rodman
Dwyane Wade
Steve Nash
Walt Bellamy
Tiny Archibald
Dennis Johnson
Reggie Miller
Dirk Nowitzki
Connie Hawkins
Dave Bing
James Worthy
Hal Greer
Pete Maravich
Jack Twyman
Bob Lanier
David Thompson
Joe Fulks
Sam Jones
Gus Johnson
Robert Parish
Tommy Heinsohn
Bernard King
Bill Sharman
Paul Arizin
Lenny Wilkens
Alonzo Mourning
Bill Walton
Neil Johnston
Dave DeBusschere
Paul Pierce
Joe Dumars
Ray Allen
Chris Webber
Ed Macauley
Alex English
Adrian Dantley
Artis Gilmore
Cliff Hagan
Dwight Howard
Tim Hardaway
Chris Mullin
Mitch Richmond
Sidney Moncrief
Bobby Dandridge
Bob Love
Jim Pollard
Spencer Haywood
Dikembe Mutombo
Pau Gasol
Tracy McGrady
Grant Hill
Vince Carter
Buck Williams
Slater Martin
Kevin Johnson
Brad Daugherty
Walter Davis
Carmelo Anthony
Dan Issel
Chris Paul
George McGinnis
Jamaal Wilkes
Chet Walker
George Yardley
Kevin Porter
Rich Guerin
Norm Van Lier
Willie Naulls
Zelmo Beaty
Marques Johnson
Jo Jo White
Jack Sikma
Tom Chambers
Dick McGuire
Maurice Cheeks
Ben Wallace
Chauncey Billups
Bailey Howell
Lou Hudson
Rudy Tomjanovich
Deron Williams
Guy Rodgers
Penny Hardaway
Phil Chenier
Charlie Scott
Bob Davies
Harry Gallatin
Maurice Lucas
Larry Foust
Michael Cooper
Paul Silas
Tony Parker
Ron Artest
Paul Westphal
Phil Smith
Manu Ginobili
Amar’e Stoudemire
Vern Mikkelsen
Rudy LaRusso
Johnny “Red” Kerr
Terry Cummings
Gus Williams
Shawn Kemp
Horace Grant
Shawn Marion
Gene Shue
Yao Ming
Mark Price
Rasheed Wallace
Calvin Murphy
Bobby Wanzer
Bobby Jones
Mark Jackson
Otis Birdsong
Johnny Green
John Drew
Tom Gola
Larry Nance
Randy Smith
Terry Porter
Rolando Blackman
Andy Phillip
Clyde Lovellette
Chris Bosh
Bill Bradley
Larry Johnson
Jermaine O’Neal
Andrew Toney
Reggie Theus
Elton Brand
KC Jones
Jerry Sloan
Jamal Mashburn
Bob Rule
Derrick Coleman
Gilbert Arenas
Joe Johnson
Joe Caldwell
Norm Nixon
Mark Aguirre
Micheal Ray Richardson
Archie Clark
Jimmy Walker
Doug Collins
Kiki Vandeweghe
Larry Kenon
Alvin Robertson
Sam Cassell
World B. Free
Stephon Marbury
Fat Lever
Baron Davis
Bill Bridges
Lamar Odom
Kelly Tripucka
Wayne Embry
Mookie Blaylock
Alvan Adams
Carlos Boozer
Don Ohl
Marcus Camby
Rod Strickland
Carl Braun
Jeff Malone
Danny Manning
Charles Oakley
Sidney Wicks
John Williamson
Arnie Risen
Cedric Maxwell
Darrell Griffith
Ray Scott
Cazzie Russell
Dale Ellis
Reggie Lewis
Rip Hamilton
Michael Redd
Peja Stojakovic
Latrell Sprewell
Derek Harper
Steve Francis
Mickey Johnson
Jason Richardson
Purvis Short
Orlando Woolridge
Austin Carr
Max Zaslofsky
Bill Laimbeer
Antawn Jamison
Clark Kellogg
Antoine Walker
Jim McMillain
Len “Truck” Robinson
Jeff Ruland
AC Green
Walter Dukes
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Quinn Buckner
Glenn Robinson
Bruce Bowen
Detlef Schrempf
Terry Dischinger
Toni Kukoc
Mike Bibby
Ralph Sampson
Frank Ramsey
Anthony Mason
Andre Miller
Happy Hairston
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Doug Christie
Geoff Petrie
Rony Seikaly
David West
Eddie Jones
Dan Majerle
John Lucas
Jeff Hornacek
Dan Roundfield
Caldwell Jones
Brian Winters
Otis Thorpe
Jack Marin
Terrell Brandon
Clifford Robinson [90s Blazers
Zach Randolph
Scott Wedman
“Bullet” Bob Boozer
Rik Smits
Vlade Divac
Sleepy Floyd
Doc Rivers
Larry Costello
Xavier McDaniel
“Fast” Eddie Johnson
Eddie Johnson
Bill Cartwright
Cliff Robinson
Kenny Sears
Michael Finley
Phil Ford
Jeff Mullins
Mel Hutchins
Tom Gugliotta
Nick Van Exel
Lucius Allen
Mike Mitchell
Jerry Stackhouse
Don Chaney
Damon Stoudamire
Glen Rice
Kenyon Martin
Calvin Natt
Swen Nater
Rashard Lewis
Satch Sanders
Sam Lacey
Fred Brown
Elmore Smith
Joe Barry Carroll
Sam Perkins
Dick Barnett
Sean Elliott
Dick Van Arsdale
Tom Van Arsdale
Slick Watts
Tom Meschery
Theo Ratliff
Kenny Anderson
Wayman Tisdale
Ray Williams
Lionel Hollins
Danny Ainge
Kenny Smith
Fred Carter
Gerald Wallace
Caron Butler
Allan Houston
Byron Scott
Ron Harper
Luke Jackson
Lionel Simmons
Greg Ballard
Arvydas Sabonis
Danny Granger
Andre Iguodala
Michael Adams
Billy Knight
Ben Gordon
Jay Vincent
Kevin Willis
Jim Chones
Vinnie Johnson
Roy Tarpley
Vin Baker
Darryl Dawkins
Jim Jackson
Nick Anderson
Jameer Nelson
Al Jefferson
Rodney McCray
Paul Pressey
Muggsy Bogues
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf
Campy Russell
Monta Ellis
Nate “Sweetwater” Clifton
Robert Horry
Steve Smith
Tayshaun Prince
Sherman Douglas
Walt Hazzard
Chuck Person
Armon Gilliam
John Johnson
Jalen Rose
Scott Skiles
Flynn Robinson
Ricky Sobers
Mike Bantom
Ricky Pierce
John Shumate
Derek Fisher
John Starks
Antonio McDyess
Stephen Jackson
Larry Drew
Juwan Howard
Richard Jefferson
Vern Fleming
Steve Stipanovich
Mark Eaton
Jason Terry
Johnny Dawkins
Hersey Hawkins
Mychal Thompson
Mike Newlin
Ray Felix
Kevin Loughery
Dick Garmaker
Lloyd Neal
Lonnie Shelton
Larry “Mr. Mean” Smith
Pooh Richardson
Nate McMillian
Corey Maggette
Junior Bridgeman
M.L. Carr
Woody Sauldsberry
Steve Johnson
Jim Washington
Vernon Maxwell
Michael Cage
Quentin Richardson
Kermit Washington
Derrick McKey
Keith Van Horn
Cedric Ceballos
Michael Brooks
Dale Davis
Antonio Davis
Christian Laettner
Ken Norman
Thurl Bailey
Mike Woodson
Al Harrington
Andrew Bogut
Kenny Carr
Don Kojis
Ron Behagen
Luol Deng
Brian Grant
James Edwards
Tyrone Hill
Jerome Kersey
John “Hot Rod” Williams
Ernie DiGregorio
Johnny Davis
Arlen Bockhorn
Don Nelson
Troy Murphy
Al Attles
Curtis Rowe
Mike Miller
Eddie Miles
Roy Hinson
Herm Gilliam
Adrian Smith
Rex Chapman
Andrei Kirilenko
David Greenwood
B.J. Armstrong
Jamal Crawford
Quintin Dailey
Jim Paxson
Spud Webb
Shane Battier
Albert King
Gerald Wilkins
Sam Bowie
Charles Smith
Josh Howard
Dell Curry
Zaid Abdul-Aziz
Emeka Okafor
Kelvin Ransey
Hedo Turkoglu
Kevin Martin
Eric Money
Jason Williams
David Lee
Kerry Kittles
Kendall Gill
Devin Harris
Wally Szczerbiak
Grant Long
Billy Owens
LaPhonso Ellis
Jay Humphries
Tree Rollins
Don Buse
Wali Jones
Larry Hughes
Marvin Webster
John McGlocklin
Clem Haskins
Gar Heard
Terry Catledge
Phil Hubbard
Bob Kauffman
Loy Vaught
Dana Barros
Mitch Kupchak
Elden Campbell
Robert Reid
Clyde Lee
John Long
Clifford Ray
Manute Bol
Joe Graboski
Avery Johnson
Gene Banks
Sarunas Marciulionis
Reggie Williams
Antoine “Big Dog” Carr
Joe Smith
PJ Brown
Drew Gooden
Kevin Duckworth
Chris Kaman
Cuttino Mobley
David Wesley
Pervis Ellison

I'm going to bed. I'll continue tomorrow.

[RRR3]

Tough to say. But off the top of my head I'm thinking,

Wilt Chamberlain
Bill Russell
Shaquille O’Neal
Oscar Robertson
Magic Johnson
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Tim Duncan
Larry Bird
Kobe Bryant
Jerry West
Elgin Baylor
Hakeem Olajuwon
Bob Petit
Moses Malone
Julius Erving
John Havlicek
Karl Malone
Isiah Thomas
Charles Barkley
Rick Barry
John Stockton
Elvin Hayes
Bob Cousy
David Robinson
Kevin McHale
Scottie Pippen
Jason Kidd
George Mikan
Kevin Garnett
LeBron James
Willis Reed
Wes Unseld
Nate Thurmond
Dolph Schayes
Walt Frazier
Patrick Ewing
Jerry Lucas
Gary Payton
Allen Iverson
Billy Cunningham
Clyde Drexler
Dominique Wilkins
Dave Cowens
George Gervin
Bob McAdoo
Earl Monroe
Dennis Rodman
Dwyane Wade
Steve Nash
Walt Bellamy
Tiny Archibald
Dennis Johnson
Reggie Miller
Dirk Nowitzki
Connie Hawkins
Dave Bing
James Worthy
Hal Greer
Pete Maravich
Jack Twyman
Bob Lanier
David Thompson
Joe Fulks
Sam Jones
Gus Johnson
Robert Parish
Tommy Heinsohn
Bernard King
Bill Sharman
Paul Arizin
Lenny Wilkens
Alonzo Mourning
Bill Walton
Neil Johnston
Dave DeBusschere
Paul Pierce
Joe Dumars
Ray Allen
Chris Webber
Ed Macauley
Alex English
Adrian Dantley
Artis Gilmore
Cliff Hagan
Dwight Howard
Tim Hardaway
Chris Mullin
Mitch Richmond
Sidney Moncrief
Bobby Dandridge
Bob Love
Jim Pollard
Spencer Haywood
Dikembe Mutombo
Pau Gasol
Tracy McGrady
Grant Hill
Vince Carter
Buck Williams
Slater Martin
Kevin Johnson
Brad Daugherty
Walter Davis
Carmelo Anthony
Dan Issel
Chris Paul
George McGinnis
Jamaal Wilkes
Chet Walker
George Yardley
Kevin Porter
Rich Guerin
Norm Van Lier
Willie Naulls
Zelmo Beaty
Marques Johnson
Jo Jo White
Jack Sikma
Tom Chambers
Dick McGuire
Maurice Cheeks
Ben Wallace
Chauncey Billups
Bailey Howell
Lou Hudson
Rudy Tomjanovich
Deron Williams
Guy Rodgers
Penny Hardaway
Phil Chenier
Charlie Scott
Bob Davies
Harry Gallatin
Maurice Lucas
Larry Foust
Michael Cooper
Paul Silas
Tony Parker
Ron Artest
Paul Westphal
Phil Smith
Manu Ginobili
Amar’e Stoudemire
Vern Mikkelsen
Rudy LaRusso
Johnny “Red” Kerr
Terry Cummings
Gus Williams
Shawn Kemp
Horace Grant
Shawn Marion
Gene Shue
Yao Ming
Mark Price
Rasheed Wallace
Calvin Murphy
Bobby Wanzer
Bobby Jones
Mark Jackson
Otis Birdsong
Johnny Green
John Drew
Tom Gola
Larry Nance
Randy Smith
Terry Porter
Rolando Blackman
Andy Phillip
Clyde Lovellette
Chris Bosh
Bill Bradley
Larry Johnson
Jermaine O’Neal
Andrew Toney
Reggie Theus
Elton Brand
KC Jones
Jerry Sloan
Jamal Mashburn
Bob Rule
Derrick Coleman
Gilbert Arenas
Joe Johnson
Joe Caldwell
Norm Nixon
Mark Aguirre
Micheal Ray Richardson
Archie Clark
Jimmy Walker
Doug Collins
Kiki Vandeweghe
Larry Kenon
Alvin Robertson
Sam Cassell
World B. Free
Stephon Marbury
Fat Lever
Baron Davis
Bill Bridges
Lamar Odom
Kelly Tripucka
Wayne Embry
Mookie Blaylock
Alvan Adams
Carlos Boozer
Don Ohl
Marcus Camby
Rod Strickland
Carl Braun
Jeff Malone
Danny Manning
Charles Oakley
Sidney Wicks
John Williamson
Arnie Risen
Cedric Maxwell
Darrell Griffith
Ray Scott
Cazzie Russell
Dale Ellis
Reggie Lewis
Rip Hamilton
Michael Redd
Peja Stojakovic
Latrell Sprewell
Derek Harper
Steve Francis
Mickey Johnson
Jason Richardson
Purvis Short
Orlando Woolridge
Austin Carr
Max Zaslofsky
Bill Laimbeer
Antawn Jamison
Clark Kellogg
Antoine Walker
Jim McMillain
Len “Truck” Robinson
Jeff Ruland
AC Green
Walter Dukes
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Quinn Buckner
Glenn Robinson
Bruce Bowen
Detlef Schrempf
Terry Dischinger
Toni Kukoc
Mike Bibby
Ralph Sampson
Frank Ramsey
Anthony Mason
Andre Miller
Happy Hairston
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Doug Christie
Geoff Petrie
Rony Seikaly
David West
Eddie Jones
Dan Majerle
John Lucas
Jeff Hornacek
Dan Roundfield
Caldwell Jones
Brian Winters
Otis Thorpe
Jack Marin
Terrell Brandon
Clifford Robinson [90s Blazers
Zach Randolph
Scott Wedman
“Bullet” Bob Boozer
Rik Smits
Vlade Divac
Sleepy Floyd
Doc Rivers
Larry Costello
Xavier McDaniel
“Fast” Eddie Johnson
Eddie Johnson
Bill Cartwright
Cliff Robinson
Kenny Sears
Michael Finley
Phil Ford
Jeff Mullins
Mel Hutchins
Tom Gugliotta
Nick Van Exel
Lucius Allen
Mike Mitchell
Jerry Stackhouse
Don Chaney
Damon Stoudamire
Glen Rice
Kenyon Martin
Calvin Natt
Swen Nater
Rashard Lewis
Satch Sanders
Sam Lacey
Fred Brown
Elmore Smith
Joe Barry Carroll
Sam Perkins
Dick Barnett
Sean Elliott
Dick Van Arsdale
Tom Van Arsdale
Slick Watts
Tom Meschery
Theo Ratliff
Kenny Anderson
Wayman Tisdale
Ray Williams
Lionel Hollins
Danny Ainge
Kenny Smith
Fred Carter
Gerald Wallace
Caron Butler
Allan Houston
Byron Scott
Ron Harper
Luke Jackson
Lionel Simmons
Greg Ballard
Arvydas Sabonis
Danny Granger
Andre Iguodala
Michael Adams
Billy Knight
Ben Gordon
Jay Vincent
Kevin Willis
Jim Chones
Vinnie Johnson
Roy Tarpley
Vin Baker
Darryl Dawkins
Jim Jackson
Nick Anderson
Jameer Nelson
Al Jefferson
Rodney McCray
Paul Pressey
Muggsy Bogues
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf
Campy Russell
Monta Ellis
Nate “Sweetwater” Clifton
Robert Horry
Steve Smith
Tayshaun Prince
Sherman Douglas
Walt Hazzard
Chuck Person
Armon Gilliam
John Johnson
Jalen Rose
Scott Skiles
Flynn Robinson
Ricky Sobers
Mike Bantom
Ricky Pierce
John Shumate
Derek Fisher
John Starks
Antonio McDyess
Stephen Jackson
Larry Drew
Juwan Howard
Richard Jefferson
Vern Fleming
Steve Stipanovich
Mark Eaton
Jason Terry
Johnny Dawkins
Hersey Hawkins
Mychal Thompson
Mike Newlin
Ray Felix
Kevin Loughery
Dick Garmaker
Lloyd Neal
Lonnie Shelton
Larry “Mr. Mean” Smith
Pooh Richardson
Nate McMillian
Corey Maggette
Junior Bridgeman
M.L. Carr
Woody Sauldsberry
Steve Johnson
Jim Washington
Vernon Maxwell
Michael Cage
Quentin Richardson
Kermit Washington
Derrick McKey
Keith Van Horn
Cedric Ceballos
Michael Brooks
Dale Davis
Antonio Davis
Christian Laettner
Ken Norman
Thurl Bailey
Mike Woodson
Al Harrington
Andrew Bogut
Kenny Carr
Don Kojis
Ron Behagen
Luol Deng
Brian Grant
James Edwards
Tyrone Hill
Jerome Kersey
John “Hot Rod” Williams
Ernie DiGregorio
Johnny Davis
Arlen Bockhorn
Don Nelson
Troy Murphy
Al Attles
Curtis Rowe
Mike Miller
Eddie Miles
Roy Hinson
Herm Gilliam
Adrian Smith
Rex Chapman
Andrei Kirilenko
David Greenwood
B.J. Armstrong
Jamal Crawford
Quintin Dailey
Jim Paxson
Spud Webb
Shane Battier
Albert King
Gerald Wilkins
Sam Bowie
Charles Smith
Josh Howard
Dell Curry
Zaid Abdul-Aziz
Emeka Okafor
Kelvin Ransey
Hedo Turkoglu
Kevin Martin
Eric Money
Jason Williams
David Lee
Kerry Kittles
Kendall Gill
Devin Harris
Wally Szczerbiak
Grant Long
Billy Owens
LaPhonso Ellis
Jay Humphries
Tree Rollins
Don Buse
Wali Jones
Larry Hughes
Marvin Webster
John McGlocklin
Clem Haskins
Gar Heard
Terry Catledge
Phil Hubbard
Bob Kauffman
Loy Vaught
Dana Barros
Mitch Kupchak
Elden Campbell
Robert Reid
Clyde Lee
John Long
Clifford Ray
Manute Bol
Joe Graboski
Avery Johnson
Gene Banks
Sarunas Marciulionis
Reggie Williams
Antoine “Big Dog” Carr
Joe Smith
PJ Brown
Drew Gooden
Kevin Duckworth
Chris Kaman
Cuttino Mobley
David Wesley
Pervis Ellison
Can’t argue with this.

[Axe]

Tough to say. But off the top of my head I'm thinking,









































Wilt Chamberlain
Bill Russell
Shaquille O’Neal
Oscar Robertson
Magic Johnson
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Tim Duncan
Larry Bird
Kobe Bryant
Jerry West
Elgin Baylor
Hakeem Olajuwon
Bob Petit
Moses Malone
Julius Erving
John Havlicek
Karl Malone
Isiah Thomas
Charles Barkley
Rick Barry
John Stockton
Elvin Hayes
Bob Cousy
David Robinson
Kevin McHale
Scottie Pippen
Jason Kidd
George Mikan
Kevin Garnett
LeBron James
Willis Reed
Wes Unseld
Nate Thurmond
Dolph Schayes
Walt Frazier
Patrick Ewing
Jerry Lucas
Gary Payton
Allen Iverson
Billy Cunningham
Clyde Drexler
Dominique Wilkins
Dave Cowens
George Gervin
Bob McAdoo
Earl Monroe
Dennis Rodman
Dwyane Wade
Steve Nash
Walt Bellamy
Tiny Archibald
Dennis Johnson
Reggie Miller
Dirk Nowitzki
Connie Hawkins
Dave Bing
James Worthy
Hal Greer
Pete Maravich
Jack Twyman
Bob Lanier
David Thompson
Joe Fulks
Sam Jones
Gus Johnson
Robert Parish
Tommy Heinsohn
Bernard King
Bill Sharman
Paul Arizin
Lenny Wilkens
Alonzo Mourning
Bill Walton
Neil Johnston
Dave DeBusschere
Paul Pierce
Joe Dumars
Ray Allen
Chris Webber
Ed Macauley
Alex English
Adrian Dantley
Artis Gilmore
Cliff Hagan
Dwight Howard
Tim Hardaway
Chris Mullin
Mitch Richmond
Sidney Moncrief
Bobby Dandridge
Bob Love
Jim Pollard
Spencer Haywood
Dikembe Mutombo
Pau Gasol
Tracy McGrady
Grant Hill
Vince Carter
Buck Williams
Slater Martin
Kevin Johnson
Brad Daugherty
Walter Davis
Carmelo Anthony
Dan Issel
Chris Paul
George McGinnis
Jamaal Wilkes
Chet Walker
George Yardley
Kevin Porter
Rich Guerin
Norm Van Lier
Willie Naulls
Zelmo Beaty
Marques Johnson
Jo Jo White
Jack Sikma
Tom Chambers
Dick McGuire
Maurice Cheeks
Ben Wallace
Chauncey Billups
Bailey Howell
Lou Hudson
Rudy Tomjanovich
Deron Williams
Guy Rodgers
Penny Hardaway
Phil Chenier
Charlie Scott
Bob Davies
Harry Gallatin
Maurice Lucas
Larry Foust
Michael Cooper
Paul Silas
Tony Parker
Ron Artest
Paul Westphal
Phil Smith
Manu Ginobili
Amar’e Stoudemire
Vern Mikkelsen
Rudy LaRusso
Johnny “Red” Kerr
Terry Cummings
Gus Williams
Shawn Kemp
Horace Grant
Shawn Marion
Gene Shue
Yao Ming
Mark Price
Rasheed Wallace
Calvin Murphy
Bobby Wanzer
Bobby Jones
Mark Jackson
Otis Birdsong
Johnny Green
John Drew
Tom Gola
Larry Nance
Randy Smith
Terry Porter
Rolando Blackman
Andy Phillip
Clyde Lovellette
Chris Bosh
Bill Bradley
Larry Johnson
Jermaine O’Neal
Andrew Toney
Reggie Theus
Elton Brand
KC Jones
Jerry Sloan
Jamal Mashburn
Bob Rule
Derrick Coleman
Gilbert Arenas
Joe Johnson
Joe Caldwell
Norm Nixon
Mark Aguirre
Micheal Ray Richardson
Archie Clark
Jimmy Walker
Doug Collins
Kiki Vandeweghe
Larry Kenon
Alvin Robertson
Sam Cassell
World B. Free
Stephon Marbury
Fat Lever
Baron Davis
Bill Bridges
Lamar Odom
Kelly Tripucka
Wayne Embry
Mookie Blaylock
Alvan Adams
Carlos Boozer
Don Ohl
Marcus Camby
Rod Strickland
Carl Braun
Jeff Malone
Danny Manning
Charles Oakley
Sidney Wicks
John Williamson
Arnie Risen
Cedric Maxwell
Darrell Griffith
Ray Scott
Cazzie Russell
Dale Ellis
Reggie Lewis
Rip Hamilton
Michael Redd
Peja Stojakovic
Latrell Sprewell
Derek Harper
Steve Francis
Mickey Johnson
Jason Richardson
Purvis Short
Orlando Woolridge
Austin Carr
Max Zaslofsky
Bill Laimbeer
Antawn Jamison
Clark Kellogg
Antoine Walker
Jim McMillain
Len “Truck” Robinson
Jeff Ruland
AC Green
Walter Dukes
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Quinn Buckner
Glenn Robinson
Bruce Bowen
Detlef Schrempf
Terry Dischinger
Toni Kukoc
Mike Bibby
Ralph Sampson
Frank Ramsey
Anthony Mason
Andre Miller
Happy Hairston
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Doug Christie
Geoff Petrie
Rony Seikaly
David West
Eddie Jones
Dan Majerle
John Lucas
Jeff Hornacek
Dan Roundfield
Caldwell Jones
Brian Winters
Otis Thorpe
Jack Marin
Terrell Brandon
Clifford Robinson [90s Blazers
Zach Randolph
Scott Wedman
“Bullet” Bob Boozer
Rik Smits
Vlade Divac
Sleepy Floyd
Doc Rivers
Larry Costello
Xavier McDaniel
“Fast” Eddie Johnson
Eddie Johnson
Bill Cartwright
Cliff Robinson
Kenny Sears
Michael Finley
Phil Ford
Jeff Mullins
Mel Hutchins
Tom Gugliotta
Nick Van Exel
Lucius Allen
Mike Mitchell
Jerry Stackhouse
Don Chaney
Damon Stoudamire
Glen Rice
Kenyon Martin
Calvin Natt
Swen Nater
Rashard Lewis
Satch Sanders
Sam Lacey
Fred Brown
Elmore Smith
Joe Barry Carroll
Sam Perkins
Dick Barnett
Sean Elliott
Dick Van Arsdale
Tom Van Arsdale
Slick Watts
Tom Meschery
Theo Ratliff
Kenny Anderson
Wayman Tisdale
Ray Williams
Lionel Hollins
Danny Ainge
Kenny Smith
Fred Carter
Gerald Wallace
Caron Butler
Allan Houston
Byron Scott
Ron Harper
Luke Jackson
Lionel Simmons
Greg Ballard
Arvydas Sabonis
Danny Granger
Andre Iguodala
Michael Adams
Billy Knight
Ben Gordon
Jay Vincent
Kevin Willis
Jim Chones
Vinnie Johnson
Roy Tarpley
Vin Baker
Darryl Dawkins
Jim Jackson
Nick Anderson
Jameer Nelson
Al Jefferson
Rodney McCray
Paul Pressey
Muggsy Bogues
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf
Campy Russell
Monta Ellis
Nate “Sweetwater” Clifton
Robert Horry
Steve Smith
Tayshaun Prince
Sherman Douglas
Walt Hazzard
Chuck Person
Armon Gilliam
John Johnson
Jalen Rose
Scott Skiles
Flynn Robinson
Ricky Sobers
Mike Bantom
Ricky Pierce
John Shumate
Derek Fisher
John Starks
Antonio McDyess
Stephen Jackson
Larry Drew
Juwan Howard
Richard Jefferson
Vern Fleming
Steve Stipanovich
Mark Eaton
Jason Terry
Johnny Dawkins
Hersey Hawkins
Mychal Thompson
Mike Newlin
Ray Felix
Kevin Loughery
Dick Garmaker
Lloyd Neal
Lonnie Shelton
Larry “Mr. Mean” Smith
Pooh Richardson
Nate McMillian
Corey Maggette
Junior Bridgeman
M.L. Carr
Woody Sauldsberry
Steve Johnson
Jim Washington
Vernon Maxwell
Michael Cage
Quentin Richardson
Kermit Washington
Derrick McKey
Keith Van Horn
Cedric Ceballos
Michael Brooks
Dale Davis
Antonio Davis
Christian Laettner
Ken Norman
Thurl Bailey
Mike Woodson
Al Harrington
Andrew Bogut
Kenny Carr
Don Kojis
Ron Behagen
Luol Deng
Brian Grant
James Edwards
Tyrone Hill
Jerome Kersey
John “Hot Rod” Williams
Ernie DiGregorio
Johnny Davis
Arlen Bockhorn
Don Nelson
Troy Murphy
Al Attles
Curtis Rowe
Mike Miller
Eddie Miles
Roy Hinson
Herm Gilliam
Adrian Smith
Rex Chapman
Andrei Kirilenko
David Greenwood
B.J. Armstrong
Jamal Crawford
Quintin Dailey
Jim Paxson
Spud Webb
Shane Battier
Albert King
Gerald Wilkins
Sam Bowie
Charles Smith
Josh Howard
Dell Curry
Zaid Abdul-Aziz
Emeka Okafor
Kelvin Ransey
Hedo Turkoglu
Kevin Martin
Eric Money
Jason Williams
David Lee
Kerry Kittles
Kendall Gill
Devin Harris
Wally Szczerbiak
Grant Long
Billy Owens
LaPhonso Ellis
Jay Humphries
Tree Rollins
Don Buse
Wali Jones
Larry Hughes
Marvin Webster
John McGlocklin
Clem Haskins
Gar Heard
Terry Catledge
Phil Hubbard
Bob Kauffman
Loy Vaught
Dana Barros
Mitch Kupchak
Elden Campbell
Robert Reid
Clyde Lee
John Long
Clifford Ray
Manute Bol
Joe Graboski
Avery Johnson
Gene Banks
Sarunas Marciulionis
Reggie Williams
Antoine “Big Dog” Carr
Joe Smith
PJ Brown
Drew Gooden
Kevin Duckworth
Chris Kaman
Cuttino Mobley
David Wesley
Pervis Ellison

I'm going to bed. I'll continue tomorrow.
:sleeping

[3ball]

How many all-star games for his teammates on the 85-87' playoff casts? (gervin didn't play in 86' playoffs)

And why are we comparing Jordan's low seeds to lebron's top seeds?

Lebron had his own low seeds in 04/05/19 that compare to Jordan's low seeds from 85-87'...

So what would lebron's record be if his 9 seeds from 04/05/19 were 8 seeds instead and faced the champion Warriors or the 04' Pistons in the 1st Round?

[Axe]

And why are we comparing Jordan's low seeds to lebron's top seeds?
You made thousands of threads about bran and pippen in this board yet you couldn't figure out an answer to your question? :confusedshrug:

Wow. God please help us all.

[3ball]

You made thousands of threads about bran and pippen in this board yet you couldn't figure out an answer to your question? :confusedshrug:

Wow. God please help us all.

I know it must've been tough growing up without a father, but grow out of the fearful passive-aggressiveness that you learned from the females in your life and just say what you mean in your posts

[Gus Hemmingway]

How many all-star games for his teammates on the 85-87' playoff casts? (gervin didn't play in 86' playoffs)

And why are we comparing Jordan's low seeds to lebron's top seeds?

Lebron had his own low seeds in 04/05/19 that compare to Jordan's low seeds from 85-87'...

So what would lebron's record be if his 9 seeds from 04/05/19 were 8 seeds instead and faced the champion Warriors or the 04' Pistons in the 1st Round?

But WHY does Jordan get low seeds with a 23 ppg and 16 ppg scorer?

Why did Jordan have a Pippen and Wade on his team in terms of production and still got low seeds?

[8Ball]

I know it must've been tough growing up without a father, but grow out of the fearful passive-aggressiveness that you learned from the females in your life and just say what you mean in your posts

Growing up without a father > Getting your father killed

[Axe]

I know it must've been tough growing up without a father, but grow out of the fearful passive-aggressiveness that you learned from the females in your life and just say what you mean in your posts
Huh?:wtf:

[baudkarma]

Probably quite a few. MJ during the early part of his career didn't trust his teammates. Any time the game was on the line he demanded the ball and he was going to put up the shot himself no matter how well he was being defended. It wasn't until "Michael, who's open?" during the '91 finals that MJ finally realized that he couldn't do it alone.

[kawhileonard2]

No one. He was the only player to never lose a series with HCA and also won 2 gold medals without having won a bronze medals.

[And1AllDay]

Tough to say. But off the top of my head I'm thinking,









































Wilt Chamberlain
Bill Russell
Shaquille O’Neal
Oscar Robertson
Magic Johnson
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Tim Duncan
Larry Bird
Kobe Bryant
Jerry West
Elgin Baylor
Hakeem Olajuwon
Bob Petit
Moses Malone
Julius Erving
John Havlicek
Karl Malone
Isiah Thomas
Charles Barkley
Rick Barry
John Stockton
Elvin Hayes
Bob Cousy
David Robinson
Kevin McHale
Scottie Pippen
Jason Kidd
George Mikan
Kevin Garnett
LeBron James
Willis Reed
Wes Unseld
Nate Thurmond
Dolph Schayes
Walt Frazier
Patrick Ewing
Jerry Lucas
Gary Payton
Allen Iverson
Billy Cunningham
Clyde Drexler
Dominique Wilkins
Dave Cowens
George Gervin
Bob McAdoo
Earl Monroe
Dennis Rodman
Dwyane Wade
Steve Nash
Walt Bellamy
Tiny Archibald
Dennis Johnson
Reggie Miller
Dirk Nowitzki
Connie Hawkins
Dave Bing
James Worthy
Hal Greer
Pete Maravich
Jack Twyman
Bob Lanier
David Thompson
Joe Fulks
Sam Jones
Gus Johnson
Robert Parish
Tommy Heinsohn
Bernard King
Bill Sharman
Paul Arizin
Lenny Wilkens
Alonzo Mourning
Bill Walton
Neil Johnston
Dave DeBusschere
Paul Pierce
Joe Dumars
Ray Allen
Chris Webber
Ed Macauley
Alex English
Adrian Dantley
Artis Gilmore
Cliff Hagan
Dwight Howard
Tim Hardaway
Chris Mullin
Mitch Richmond
Sidney Moncrief
Bobby Dandridge
Bob Love
Jim Pollard
Spencer Haywood
Dikembe Mutombo
Pau Gasol
Tracy McGrady
Grant Hill
Vince Carter
Buck Williams
Slater Martin
Kevin Johnson
Brad Daugherty
Walter Davis
Carmelo Anthony
Dan Issel
Chris Paul
George McGinnis
Jamaal Wilkes
Chet Walker
George Yardley
Kevin Porter
Rich Guerin
Norm Van Lier
Willie Naulls
Zelmo Beaty
Marques Johnson
Jo Jo White
Jack Sikma
Tom Chambers
Dick McGuire
Maurice Cheeks
Ben Wallace
Chauncey Billups
Bailey Howell
Lou Hudson
Rudy Tomjanovich
Deron Williams
Guy Rodgers
Penny Hardaway
Phil Chenier
Charlie Scott
Bob Davies
Harry Gallatin
Maurice Lucas
Larry Foust
Michael Cooper
Paul Silas
Tony Parker
Ron Artest
Paul Westphal
Phil Smith
Manu Ginobili
Amar’e Stoudemire
Vern Mikkelsen
Rudy LaRusso
Johnny “Red” Kerr
Terry Cummings
Gus Williams
Shawn Kemp
Horace Grant
Shawn Marion
Gene Shue
Yao Ming
Mark Price
Rasheed Wallace
Calvin Murphy
Bobby Wanzer
Bobby Jones
Mark Jackson
Otis Birdsong
Johnny Green
John Drew
Tom Gola
Larry Nance
Randy Smith
Terry Porter
Rolando Blackman
Andy Phillip
Clyde Lovellette
Chris Bosh
Bill Bradley
Larry Johnson
Jermaine O’Neal
Andrew Toney
Reggie Theus
Elton Brand
KC Jones
Jerry Sloan
Jamal Mashburn
Bob Rule
Derrick Coleman
Gilbert Arenas
Joe Johnson
Joe Caldwell
Norm Nixon
Mark Aguirre
Micheal Ray Richardson
Archie Clark
Jimmy Walker
Doug Collins
Kiki Vandeweghe
Larry Kenon
Alvin Robertson
Sam Cassell
World B. Free
Stephon Marbury
Fat Lever
Baron Davis
Bill Bridges
Lamar Odom
Kelly Tripucka
Wayne Embry
Mookie Blaylock
Alvan Adams
Carlos Boozer
Don Ohl
Marcus Camby
Rod Strickland
Carl Braun
Jeff Malone
Danny Manning
Charles Oakley
Sidney Wicks
John Williamson
Arnie Risen
Cedric Maxwell
Darrell Griffith
Ray Scott
Cazzie Russell
Dale Ellis
Reggie Lewis
Rip Hamilton
Michael Redd
Peja Stojakovic
Latrell Sprewell
Derek Harper
Steve Francis
Mickey Johnson
Jason Richardson
Purvis Short
Orlando Woolridge
Austin Carr
Max Zaslofsky
Bill Laimbeer
Antawn Jamison
Clark Kellogg
Antoine Walker
Jim McMillain
Len “Truck” Robinson
Jeff Ruland
AC Green
Walter Dukes
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Quinn Buckner
Glenn Robinson
Bruce Bowen
Detlef Schrempf
Terry Dischinger
Toni Kukoc
Mike Bibby
Ralph Sampson
Frank Ramsey
Anthony Mason
Andre Miller
Happy Hairston
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Doug Christie
Geoff Petrie
Rony Seikaly
David West
Eddie Jones
Dan Majerle
John Lucas
Jeff Hornacek
Dan Roundfield
Caldwell Jones
Brian Winters
Otis Thorpe
Jack Marin
Terrell Brandon
Clifford Robinson [90s Blazers
Zach Randolph
Scott Wedman
“Bullet” Bob Boozer
Rik Smits
Vlade Divac
Sleepy Floyd
Doc Rivers
Larry Costello
Xavier McDaniel
“Fast” Eddie Johnson
Eddie Johnson
Bill Cartwright
Cliff Robinson
Kenny Sears
Michael Finley
Phil Ford
Jeff Mullins
Mel Hutchins
Tom Gugliotta
Nick Van Exel
Lucius Allen
Mike Mitchell
Jerry Stackhouse
Don Chaney
Damon Stoudamire
Glen Rice
Kenyon Martin
Calvin Natt
Swen Nater
Rashard Lewis
Satch Sanders
Sam Lacey
Fred Brown
Elmore Smith
Joe Barry Carroll
Sam Perkins
Dick Barnett
Sean Elliott
Dick Van Arsdale
Tom Van Arsdale
Slick Watts
Tom Meschery
Theo Ratliff
Kenny Anderson
Wayman Tisdale
Ray Williams
Lionel Hollins
Danny Ainge
Kenny Smith
Fred Carter
Gerald Wallace
Caron Butler
Allan Houston
Byron Scott
Ron Harper
Luke Jackson
Lionel Simmons
Greg Ballard
Arvydas Sabonis
Danny Granger
Andre Iguodala
Michael Adams
Billy Knight
Ben Gordon
Jay Vincent
Kevin Willis
Jim Chones
Vinnie Johnson
Roy Tarpley
Vin Baker
Darryl Dawkins
Jim Jackson
Nick Anderson
Jameer Nelson
Al Jefferson
Rodney McCray
Paul Pressey
Muggsy Bogues
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf
Campy Russell
Monta Ellis
Nate “Sweetwater” Clifton
Robert Horry
Steve Smith
Tayshaun Prince
Sherman Douglas
Walt Hazzard
Chuck Person
Armon Gilliam
John Johnson
Jalen Rose
Scott Skiles
Flynn Robinson
Ricky Sobers
Mike Bantom
Ricky Pierce
John Shumate
Derek Fisher
John Starks
Antonio McDyess
Stephen Jackson
Larry Drew
Juwan Howard
Richard Jefferson
Vern Fleming
Steve Stipanovich
Mark Eaton
Jason Terry
Johnny Dawkins
Hersey Hawkins
Mychal Thompson
Mike Newlin
Ray Felix
Kevin Loughery
Dick Garmaker
Lloyd Neal
Lonnie Shelton
Larry “Mr. Mean” Smith
Pooh Richardson
Nate McMillian
Corey Maggette
Junior Bridgeman
M.L. Carr
Woody Sauldsberry
Steve Johnson
Jim Washington
Vernon Maxwell
Michael Cage
Quentin Richardson
Kermit Washington
Derrick McKey
Keith Van Horn
Cedric Ceballos
Michael Brooks
Dale Davis
Antonio Davis
Christian Laettner
Ken Norman
Thurl Bailey
Mike Woodson
Al Harrington
Andrew Bogut
Kenny Carr
Don Kojis
Ron Behagen
Luol Deng
Brian Grant
James Edwards
Tyrone Hill
Jerome Kersey
John “Hot Rod” Williams
Ernie DiGregorio
Johnny Davis
Arlen Bockhorn
Don Nelson
Troy Murphy
Al Attles
Curtis Rowe
Mike Miller
Eddie Miles
Roy Hinson
Herm Gilliam
Adrian Smith
Rex Chapman
Andrei Kirilenko
David Greenwood
B.J. Armstrong
Jamal Crawford
Quintin Dailey
Jim Paxson
Spud Webb
Shane Battier
Albert King
Gerald Wilkins
Sam Bowie
Charles Smith
Josh Howard
Dell Curry
Zaid Abdul-Aziz
Emeka Okafor
Kelvin Ransey
Hedo Turkoglu
Kevin Martin
Eric Money
Jason Williams
David Lee
Kerry Kittles
Kendall Gill
Devin Harris
Wally Szczerbiak
Grant Long
Billy Owens
LaPhonso Ellis
Jay Humphries
Tree Rollins
Don Buse
Wali Jones
Larry Hughes
Marvin Webster
John McGlocklin
Clem Haskins
Gar Heard
Terry Catledge
Phil Hubbard
Bob Kauffman
Loy Vaught
Dana Barros
Mitch Kupchak
Elden Campbell
Robert Reid
Clyde Lee
John Long
Clifford Ray
Manute Bol
Joe Graboski
Avery Johnson
Gene Banks
Sarunas Marciulionis
Reggie Williams
Antoine “Big Dog” Carr
Joe Smith
PJ Brown
Drew Gooden
Kevin Duckworth
Chris Kaman
Cuttino Mobley
David Wesley
Pervis Ellison

I'm going to bed. I'll continue tomorrow.

:lebronamazed:

so just the entire league :oldlol:

[Magic Is Magic]

Maybe LeBron or Kareem but that's about it.

[Airupthere]

That chicago organization and team was dysfunctional. Bring in rookie lebron from HS, he’s not making that team better in the first 5 years. He might even be the one to succumb to the team culture at that time. Currebt lebron had the benefit of learning from those before him. If he had to carry the load of changing the unprofessional and drugoriented culture at that time, it would have be a completely different story.

[Magic Is Magic]

That chicago organization and team was dysfunctional. Bring in rookie lebron from HS, he’s not making that team better in the first 5 years. He might even be the one to succumb to the team culture at that time. Currebt lebron had the benefit of learning from those before him. If he had to carry the load of changing the unprofessional and drugoriented culture at that time, it would have be a completely different story.

I bet to differ. 22 year old LeBron would have more to offer than 22 year old Jordan and this has played out during their respective goat careers.

[Baller789]

It's simple.

Lebron raises any teams floor higher.
But Jordan raises the teams ceiling higher.

Simple as that.

[SpaceJam]

Tough to say. But off the top of my head I'm thinking,









































Wilt Chamberlain
Bill Russell
Shaquille O’Neal
Oscar Robertson
Magic Johnson
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Tim Duncan
Larry Bird
Kobe Bryant
Jerry West
Elgin Baylor
Hakeem Olajuwon
Bob Petit
Moses Malone
Julius Erving
John Havlicek
Karl Malone
Isiah Thomas
Charles Barkley
Rick Barry
John Stockton
Elvin Hayes
Bob Cousy
David Robinson
Kevin McHale
Scottie Pippen
Jason Kidd
George Mikan
Kevin Garnett
LeBron James
Willis Reed
Wes Unseld
Nate Thurmond
Dolph Schayes
Walt Frazier
Patrick Ewing
Jerry Lucas
Gary Payton
Allen Iverson
Billy Cunningham
Clyde Drexler
Dominique Wilkins
Dave Cowens
George Gervin
Bob McAdoo
Earl Monroe
Dennis Rodman
Dwyane Wade
Steve Nash
Walt Bellamy
Tiny Archibald
Dennis Johnson
Reggie Miller
Dirk Nowitzki
Connie Hawkins
Dave Bing
James Worthy
Hal Greer
Pete Maravich
Jack Twyman
Bob Lanier
David Thompson
Joe Fulks
Sam Jones
Gus Johnson
Robert Parish
Tommy Heinsohn
Bernard King
Bill Sharman
Paul Arizin
Lenny Wilkens
Alonzo Mourning
Bill Walton
Neil Johnston
Dave DeBusschere
Paul Pierce
Joe Dumars
Ray Allen
Chris Webber
Ed Macauley
Alex English
Adrian Dantley
Artis Gilmore
Cliff Hagan
Dwight Howard
Tim Hardaway
Chris Mullin
Mitch Richmond
Sidney Moncrief
Bobby Dandridge
Bob Love
Jim Pollard
Spencer Haywood
Dikembe Mutombo
Pau Gasol
Tracy McGrady
Grant Hill
Vince Carter
Buck Williams
Slater Martin
Kevin Johnson
Brad Daugherty
Walter Davis
Carmelo Anthony
Dan Issel
Chris Paul
George McGinnis
Jamaal Wilkes
Chet Walker
George Yardley
Kevin Porter
Rich Guerin
Norm Van Lier
Willie Naulls
Zelmo Beaty
Marques Johnson
Jo Jo White
Jack Sikma
Tom Chambers
Dick McGuire
Maurice Cheeks
Ben Wallace
Chauncey Billups
Bailey Howell
Lou Hudson
Rudy Tomjanovich
Deron Williams
Guy Rodgers
Penny Hardaway
Phil Chenier
Charlie Scott
Bob Davies
Harry Gallatin
Maurice Lucas
Larry Foust
Michael Cooper
Paul Silas
Tony Parker
Ron Artest
Paul Westphal
Phil Smith
Manu Ginobili
Amar’e Stoudemire
Vern Mikkelsen
Rudy LaRusso
Johnny “Red” Kerr
Terry Cummings
Gus Williams
Shawn Kemp
Horace Grant
Shawn Marion
Gene Shue
Yao Ming
Mark Price
Rasheed Wallace
Calvin Murphy
Bobby Wanzer
Bobby Jones
Mark Jackson
Otis Birdsong
Johnny Green
John Drew
Tom Gola
Larry Nance
Randy Smith
Terry Porter
Rolando Blackman
Andy Phillip
Clyde Lovellette
Chris Bosh
Bill Bradley
Larry Johnson
Jermaine O’Neal
Andrew Toney
Reggie Theus
Elton Brand
KC Jones
Jerry Sloan
Jamal Mashburn
Bob Rule
Derrick Coleman
Gilbert Arenas
Joe Johnson
Joe Caldwell
Norm Nixon
Mark Aguirre
Micheal Ray Richardson
Archie Clark
Jimmy Walker
Doug Collins
Kiki Vandeweghe
Larry Kenon
Alvin Robertson
Sam Cassell
World B. Free
Stephon Marbury
Fat Lever
Baron Davis
Bill Bridges
Lamar Odom
Kelly Tripucka
Wayne Embry
Mookie Blaylock
Alvan Adams
Carlos Boozer
Don Ohl
Marcus Camby
Rod Strickland
Carl Braun
Jeff Malone
Danny Manning
Charles Oakley
Sidney Wicks
John Williamson
Arnie Risen
Cedric Maxwell
Darrell Griffith
Ray Scott
Cazzie Russell
Dale Ellis
Reggie Lewis
Rip Hamilton
Michael Redd
Peja Stojakovic
Latrell Sprewell
Derek Harper
Steve Francis
Mickey Johnson
Jason Richardson
Purvis Short
Orlando Woolridge
Austin Carr
Max Zaslofsky
Bill Laimbeer
Antawn Jamison
Clark Kellogg
Antoine Walker
Jim McMillain
Len “Truck” Robinson
Jeff Ruland
AC Green
Walter Dukes
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Quinn Buckner
Glenn Robinson
Bruce Bowen
Detlef Schrempf
Terry Dischinger
Toni Kukoc
Mike Bibby
Ralph Sampson
Frank Ramsey
Anthony Mason
Andre Miller
Happy Hairston
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Doug Christie
Geoff Petrie
Rony Seikaly
David West
Eddie Jones
Dan Majerle
John Lucas
Jeff Hornacek
Dan Roundfield
Caldwell Jones
Brian Winters
Otis Thorpe
Jack Marin
Terrell Brandon
Clifford Robinson [90s Blazers
Zach Randolph
Scott Wedman
“Bullet” Bob Boozer
Rik Smits
Vlade Divac
Sleepy Floyd
Doc Rivers
Larry Costello
Xavier McDaniel
“Fast” Eddie Johnson
Eddie Johnson
Bill Cartwright
Cliff Robinson
Kenny Sears
Michael Finley
Phil Ford
Jeff Mullins
Mel Hutchins
Tom Gugliotta
Nick Van Exel
Lucius Allen
Mike Mitchell
Jerry Stackhouse
Don Chaney
Damon Stoudamire
Glen Rice
Kenyon Martin
Calvin Natt
Swen Nater
Rashard Lewis
Satch Sanders
Sam Lacey
Fred Brown
Elmore Smith
Joe Barry Carroll
Sam Perkins
Dick Barnett
Sean Elliott
Dick Van Arsdale
Tom Van Arsdale
Slick Watts
Tom Meschery
Theo Ratliff
Kenny Anderson
Wayman Tisdale
Ray Williams
Lionel Hollins
Danny Ainge
Kenny Smith
Fred Carter
Gerald Wallace
Caron Butler
Allan Houston
Byron Scott
Ron Harper
Luke Jackson
Lionel Simmons
Greg Ballard
Arvydas Sabonis
Danny Granger
Andre Iguodala
Michael Adams
Billy Knight
Ben Gordon
Jay Vincent
Kevin Willis
Jim Chones
Vinnie Johnson
Roy Tarpley
Vin Baker
Darryl Dawkins
Jim Jackson
Nick Anderson
Jameer Nelson
Al Jefferson
Rodney McCray
Paul Pressey
Muggsy Bogues
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf
Campy Russell
Monta Ellis
Nate “Sweetwater” Clifton
Robert Horry
Steve Smith
Tayshaun Prince
Sherman Douglas
Walt Hazzard
Chuck Person
Armon Gilliam
John Johnson
Jalen Rose
Scott Skiles
Flynn Robinson
Ricky Sobers
Mike Bantom
Ricky Pierce
John Shumate
Derek Fisher
John Starks
Antonio McDyess
Stephen Jackson
Larry Drew
Juwan Howard
Richard Jefferson
Vern Fleming
Steve Stipanovich
Mark Eaton
Jason Terry
Johnny Dawkins
Hersey Hawkins
Mychal Thompson
Mike Newlin
Ray Felix
Kevin Loughery
Dick Garmaker
Lloyd Neal
Lonnie Shelton
Larry “Mr. Mean” Smith
Pooh Richardson
Nate McMillian
Corey Maggette
Junior Bridgeman
M.L. Carr
Woody Sauldsberry
Steve Johnson
Jim Washington
Vernon Maxwell
Michael Cage
Quentin Richardson
Kermit Washington
Derrick McKey
Keith Van Horn
Cedric Ceballos
Michael Brooks
Dale Davis
Antonio Davis
Christian Laettner
Ken Norman
Thurl Bailey
Mike Woodson
Al Harrington
Andrew Bogut
Kenny Carr
Don Kojis
Ron Behagen
Luol Deng
Brian Grant
James Edwards
Tyrone Hill
Jerome Kersey
John “Hot Rod” Williams
Ernie DiGregorio
Johnny Davis
Arlen Bockhorn
Don Nelson
Troy Murphy
Al Attles
Curtis Rowe
Mike Miller
Eddie Miles
Roy Hinson
Herm Gilliam
Adrian Smith
Rex Chapman
Andrei Kirilenko
David Greenwood
B.J. Armstrong
Jamal Crawford
Quintin Dailey
Jim Paxson
Spud Webb
Shane Battier
Albert King
Gerald Wilkins
Sam Bowie
Charles Smith
Josh Howard
Dell Curry
Zaid Abdul-Aziz
Emeka Okafor
Kelvin Ransey
Hedo Turkoglu
Kevin Martin
Eric Money
Jason Williams
David Lee
Kerry Kittles
Kendall Gill
Devin Harris
Wally Szczerbiak
Grant Long
Billy Owens
LaPhonso Ellis
Jay Humphries
Tree Rollins
Don Buse
Wali Jones
Larry Hughes
Marvin Webster
John McGlocklin
Clem Haskins
Gar Heard
Terry Catledge
Phil Hubbard
Bob Kauffman
Loy Vaught
Dana Barros
Mitch Kupchak
Elden Campbell
Robert Reid
Clyde Lee
John Long
Clifford Ray
Manute Bol
Joe Graboski
Avery Johnson
Gene Banks
Sarunas Marciulionis
Reggie Williams
Antoine “Big Dog” Carr
Joe Smith
PJ Brown
Drew Gooden
Kevin Duckworth
Chris Kaman
Cuttino Mobley
David Wesley
Pervis Ellison

I'm going to bed. I'll continue tomorrow.

You're kidding yourself with that one bro, otherwise, rest of the list looks solid

[TheGoatest]

Some of the replies in this thread are obviously exaggerated attempts at humor, but we can safely say that all consensus top 10 players would've done better than Jordan in his pre-Pippen seasons.

They wouldn't have beaten the Celtics, but they definitely wouldn't have put themselves in a crap seeding position to face the Celtics in the first round like Jordan did either.
Jordan/Bulls finishing behind the 0 all-star Milwaukee Bucks and Indiana Pacers in 1986-87 (last season without Pippen) to be seeded against the Celtics in the first round is INEXCUSABLE. That season is a testament to how lost without Pippen Jordan truly was.

Also, all consensus top 10 players would've beaten the Milwaukee Bucks in 1985 as well, if they had the 23ppg on 55% shooting Woolridge and 16ppg in 27mpg Dailey. That mediocre Bucks team went on to get swept in the second round by a team that went on to lose in the conference finals to a team that went on to lose in the finals.

[3ball]

30-40 win 8 seeds don't beat super-teams

Lebron's 30-40 win teams from 04' or 19' wouldn't beat the 19' Warriors or 04' Pistons either

No won would win in that scenario and no one ever has

[RRR3]

30-40 win 8 seeds don't beat super-teams

Lebron's 30-40 win teams from 04' or 19' wouldn't beat the 19' Warriors or 04' Pistons either

No won would win in that scenario and no one ever has
LeBron won 66 games with Mo friggin Williams and you think he would win 30-40 games with Orlando Woolridge :oldlol:

[3ball]

LeBron won 66 games with Mo friggin Williams and you think he would win 30-40 games with Orlando Woolridge :oldlol:

Forget Mo - Zydrunas was the East all-star center yet lebron won 40 games and missed Playoffs with him

Btw..... 09 Mo had better BPM, PER, VORP and WS/48 than 90' Pippen

[RRR3]

I can’t stand how much better LeBron is at basketball than Jordan. It’s just not fair man it’s just not fair damn it! :cry:
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[trada7029]

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8 seeds have never beaten champions, so no one could've done better than 1-9

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8 seeds have never beaten champions, so no one could've done better than 1-9
No one else in the top 10 would have been an 8th seed with a stud like Woolridge as their number two so bad argument :oldlol:

[Axe]

Forget Mo - Zydrunas was the East all-star center yet lebron won 40 games and missed Playoffs with him

Btw..... 09 Mo had better BPM, PER, VORP and WS/48 than 90' Pippen
And this, my friends, is the reason why people compare baldan's low-seed teams to bran's high-seed teams. :rolleyes: