How would lebron's 9 seeds from 04/05/19 have done vs 19' GSW or 04' DET in 1st Rd?

[3ball]

These 9 seeds were 20-win casts from the prior year and far worse than the high seeds and 50 win teams that lebron always had in the playoffs from 06-20'..

but unfortunately, we never got to see lebron in the playoffs with 20-win casts from 04/05/19 like Jordan did from 85-87'.

Ultimately, lebron only had developed, high seeds and 50+ win teams in a conference that 1-star teams routinely won, while Jordan had to carry 8 seeds in conference that required a super-team to win it.

[Gray GOAT]

1-9

[kawhileonard2]

He was 0-8 his first two years with a bronze medal.

[SouBeachTalents]

He was 0-8 his first two years with a bronze medal.
Sounds like Kawhi in the 2nd half of Game 7

[RRR3]

Sounds like Kawhi in the 2nd half of Game 7
:roll:

[kawhileonard2]

Sounds like Kawhi in the 2nd half of Game 7

Or Lebron in the Olympics or vs Jason Terry.

[And1AllDay]

1-9

[GrayGoat]

LeBron doesn’t allow his teams to be 8th seeds. He’s too good

[kawhileonard2]

LeBron doesn’t allow his teams to be 8th seeds. He’s too good

He just misses the playoffs in his prime and wins bronze medals for America.

[GrayGoat]

He just misses the playoffs in his prime and wins bronze medals for America.

According to MJ stans it’s better to miss out than lose

[kawhileonard2]

According to MJ stans it’s better to miss out than lose

Lebron did both, he embarrassed America twice in the Olympics and FIBA. He lost to Dwight Howard a career loser as well with HCA.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page6

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?471453-How-did-Lebron-James-lose-to-a-Career-Loser-in-Dwight-Howard-with-HCA-while-having-a/page14

[Kblaze8855]

Id love to know how Jordans teams would have done in a league that wasnt decimated by drug use, partying, and expansion.


Expansion added 6 teams from 87 to 95 as Jordan suddenly became a winner in the more watered down league that let teams with one or two standouts start to win. You take the Timberwolves, Magic, Raptors, Hornets, Heat, and Grizzlies out of the late 90s nba and youre adding a dozen plus potential stars to a pool of remaining teams that would have been much stronger. Obviously the Bulls themselves get stronger as the rising tide lifts all boats but the bottom of the league gets a LOT harder to beat up on and the top teams put up more of a fight. Throw Shaq, Penny, Larry Johnson, Zo, Glen Rice, Damon and so on back into the pool onto already established teams....you add a few superteams to contend with in the 90s with young stars on their benches making some squads crazy deep like the 80s. No doubt that watering down contributed heavily to the Bulls insane records these years and the less talented teams that formed to stop them. But worse than that?

You could make entire all star lineups out of the players lost to irresponsibility while Jordan rose to prominence. Its not his fault of course but fact is....he was playing coked out idiots like 80% of the time. And thats the ones who werent caught and banned, too physically destroyed, or in jail. In the 80s and 90s the NBA lost scores of actual and potential all stars to drugs and general poor conduct.

Even ignoring the lottery picks who never got off the ground due to drugs and alcohol like Len Bias(RIP) and Chris Washburn(third pick in the draft the same year as Bias) who was in rehab for cocaine by his second season and banned for life by his 3rd(which is why the potential Run TMC superteam never had a center) you had case after case of careers showing promise that got derailed.

Super teams that never came together is another issue. Bernard King and Adrian Dantley should have been a GOAT tier scoring tandem but a cocaine and sodomy charge(yes....coke AND sodomy) got Dantley shipped out of Utah just as their other promising guard died in a car accident and was found in the blood test to have been driving high. Chris Washburn wasnt the only Warrior ****ed up either. Chris Mullin was a raging alcoholic. Nique was left alone in the mid 80s when his all star mentor John Drew was arrested selling coke to a fed before being banned from the NBA. That was one of TWO all star guards Nique lost to cocaine. Eddie Johnson was an all star on the Hawks as Nique came in and was eventually banned too. Nique having help sure changes the 80s east.

The Mavs who were supposed to be the team of the late 80s/early 90s in the West(according to Magic at least) lost their bigman Roy Tarpley(who some old Mavs fans here had as the teams most talented player ever ahead of Dirk). Tarpley had coke suspensions over and over till he was banned for life. Last 4 full games? 16/15, 25/13/6, 29/10, and 26/11. He was banned at 25 and Dallas had to rebuild. They were a 14 win team before long. This was a while after David Thompson finished his drug related spiral out of the league. He got into a drunken/high altercation in Studio 54 and tore up his knee. Hakeem was left with little perimeter help when Lewis Lloyd(17ppg up and coming wing) and Andrew Wiggins dad Mitchell Wiggins were both banned for cocaine use in the late 80s. Michael Ray Richardsons drug and alcohol abuse had already taken one of the leagues best defenders and all around players out by then. He and 4 other Knicks were caught up by an FBI informant drug dealer. By the mid 80s it was so bad the FBI was investigating claims the Knicks were betting against themselves and throwing games to make coke money.

Marques Johnson was an all nba first teamer who should be in the hall of fame. Cocaine there too. Magic was in parties ****ing 40% of southern California while Worthy had his own issues and random arrests in FBI stings(once just before a game...he arrived late and got a standing ovation). Meanwhile they lost spencer haywood to coke who took it so poorly he was plotting to murder a coach. And it lasted into the 90s taking out some of Jordans best potential competition. The Suns may have had a few more finals runs in them if not for Richard Dumas getting banned for life too. The sonics had Kemp who it turned out was on drugs and traded him for an alcoholic in Vin Baker. It really goes on and on.

And im not even saying it didnt hurt Jordans teams too. My first favorite player Quinten Dailey was on cocaine and ruined his career before he could be of use to young Jordan. And all star Walter Davis who Jordan was pushing the Bulls to trade for was on coke too. Ive heard those rumors are one reason they didnt do the trade(obviously we cant know for sure).

Shit was really out of hand:



"There is not a team in the league you can confidently say does not have a drug problem," said Frank Layden, general manager of the Utah Jazz. "Every team could benefit from a rehabilitation program. I had two (drug) cases out of 11 players last year. We need a place to send these people (for help)."






Michael Gearon, president of the Hawks, said he believes that as many as half the players in the league may use cocaine and as many as 10 percent may use free base. Atlanta General Manager Stan Kasten put player use at 75 percent. "I believe we are on the verge of an epidemic of free base," Gearon said. "It is time we identified the problem. Free base is as dangerous as heroin, and it's a serious problem."



"Coke is rampant in the league, man," said a player who left the game a year ago. "I mean, 75 percent use it. It's like drinking water. You 'hit the blow' (sniff cocaine) to be sociable.



A player who asked not to be identified said of cocaine use: "It's really scary. Some of the best players in the league, players who don't even drink, are into free base, and they are spending some very big sums of money.


Whole drafts were lost to drugs to clear a path for MJs rise. I already mentioned bias and washburn from 86 but in total 4 of the top 10 players in the 86 draft were lost to cocaine use. Star after star was removed from the NBA as expansion weakened it as well.


I think its fair to ask the question......

Would Jordan have been such a standout if he werent one of the only clean players in a league full of junkie baseheads who could barely function and in many cases doomed other potential super teams from being true rivals?

Would Lebron have ever even been a 9 seed in a league with 200 of this guy trying to guard him:




https://youtu.be/lkoUbr8_tZk



?




I....suspect not. Hed probably be a 4th seed with homecourt in his worst seasons.


Jordans vices being gambling, mocking the poor, and cheating on his wife with fake tit having Asian strippers instead of drugs gave him a serious advantage.


Its certainty not his fault....but fact is....the league being 70% game throwing, random woman sodomizing, car accident having, coach stalking, FBI sting caught up in, mafia owing, "I'll suck yo dick!" baseheads gave the clean players an advantage they wouldnt have today with weed as the drug of choice and even the players doing that being in much much better shape. Jordan might not even have the playoff scoring record if the Knicks werent throwing games in 86 to allow his 30 win team to make the playoffs to begin with.


Guard Lebron with a 178 pound junkie who has been up for 4 days getting high with an assistant coach and has 5,000 dollars bet on Lebrons team to get out of debt to the mob....while in a league that takes 10 years to recover from a rapid expansion. See if it improves those accolades a bit. He might be a 9 time MVP by now chasing Bill Russell for the ring record.

[TheGoatest]

Not everyone plays in an era where you can make the playoffs with literally 30 wins, like Jordan did.

[3ball]

LeBron doesn’t allow his teams to be 8th seeds. He’s too good

Lebron had 9 seeds in 04', 05', and 19' dumbass.. go back and finish your GED

[3ball]

Not everyone plays in an era where you can make the playoffs with literally 30 wins, like Jordan did.

Nearly everyone made the playoffs in the 80's, so Jordan's 30-40 win teams were forced into the 8 vs 1 matchup against champions, while lebron's 30-40 win teams avoided the 8 vs 1 matchup in 04/05/19

[red1]

Id love to know how Jordans teams would have done in a league that wasnt decimated by drug use, partying, and expansion.


Expansion added 6 teams from 87 to 95 as Jordan suddenly became a winner in the more watered down league that let teams with one or two standouts start to win. You take the Timberwolves, Magic, Raptors, Hornets, Heat, and Grizzlies out of the late 90s nba and youre adding a dozen plus potential stars to a pool of remaining teams that would have been much stronger. Obviously the Bulls themselves get stronger as the rising tide lifts all boats but the bottom of the league gets a LOT harder to beat up on and the top teams put up more of a fight. Throw Shaq, Penny, Larry Johnson, Zo, Glen Rice, Damon and so on back into the pool onto already established teams....you add a few superteams to contend with in the 90s with young stars on their benches making some squads crazy deep like the 80s. No doubt that watering down contributed heavily to the Bulls insane records these years and the less talented teams that formed to stop them. But worse than that?

You could make entire all star lineups out of the players lost to irresponsibility while Jordan rose to prominence. Its not his fault of course but fact is....he was playing coked out idiots like 80% of the time. And thats the ones who werent caught and banned, too physically destroyed, or in jail. In the 80s and 90s the NBA lost scores of actual and potential all stars to drugs and general poor conduct.

Even ignoring the lottery picks who never got off the ground due to drugs and alcohol like Len Bias(RIP) and Chris Washburn(third pick in the draft the same year as Bias) who was in rehab for cocaine by his second season and banned for life by his 3rd(which is why the potential Run TMC superteam never had a center) you had case after case of careers showing promise that got derailed.

Super teams that never came together is another issue. Bernard King and Adrian Dantley should have been a GOAT tier scoring tandem but a cocaine and sodomy charge(yes....coke AND sodomy) got Dantley shipped out of Utah just as their other promising guard died in a car accident and was found in the blood test to have been driving high. Chris Washburn wasnt the only Warrior ****ed up either. Chris Mullin was a raging alcoholic. Nique was left alone in the mid 80s when his all star mentor John Drew was arrested selling coke to a fed before being banned from the NBA. That was one of TWO all star guards Nique lost to cocaine. Eddie Johnson was an all star on the Hawks as Nique came in and was eventually banned too. Nique having help sure changes the 80s east.

The Mavs who were supposed to be the team of the late 80s/early 90s in the West(according to Magic at least) lost their bigman Roy Tarpley(who some old Mavs fans here had as the teams most talented player ever ahead of Dirk). Tarpley had coke suspensions over and over till he was banned for life. Last 4 full games? 16/15, 25/13/6, 29/10, and 26/11. He was banned at 25 and Dallas had to rebuild. They were a 14 win team before long. This was a while after David Thompson finished his drug related spiral out of the league. He got into a drunken/high altercation in Studio 54 and tore up his knee. Hakeem was left with little perimeter help when Lewis Lloyd(17ppg up and coming wing) and Andrew Wiggins dad Mitchell Wiggins were both banned for cocaine use in the late 80s. Michael Ray Richardsons drug and alcohol abuse had already taken one of the leagues best defenders and all around players out by then. He and 4 other Knicks were caught up by an FBI informant drug dealer. By the mid 80s it was so bad the FBI was investigating claims the Knicks were betting against themselves and throwing games to make coke money.

Marques Johnson was an all nba first teamer who should be in the hall of fame. Cocaine there too. Magic was in parties ****ing 40% of southern California while Worthy had his own issues and random arrests in FBI stings(once just before a game...he arrived late and got a standing ovation). Meanwhile they lost spencer haywood to coke who took it so poorly he was plotting to murder a coach. And it lasted into the 90s taking out some of Jordans best potential competition. The Suns may have had a few more finals runs in them if not for Richard Dumas getting banned for life too. The sonics had Kemp who it turned out was on drugs and traded him for an alcoholic in Vin Baker. It really goes on and on.

And im not even saying it didnt hurt Jordans teams too. My first favorite player Quinten Dailey was on cocaine and ruined his career before he could be of use to young Jordan. And all star Walter Davis who Jordan was pushing the Bulls to trade for was on coke too. Ive heard those rumors are one reason they didnt do the trade(obviously we cant know for sure).

Shit was really out of hand:














Whole drafts were lost to drugs to clear a path for MJs rise. I already mentioned bias and washburn from 86 but in total 4 of the top 10 players in the 86 draft were lost to cocaine use. Star after star was removed from the NBA as expansion weakened it as well.


I think its fair to ask the question......

Would Jordan have been such a standout if he werent one of the only clean players in a league full of junkie baseheads who could barely function and in many cases doomed other potential super teams from being true rivals?

Would Lebron have ever even been a 9 seed in a league with 200 of this guy trying to guard him:




https://youtu.be/lkoUbr8_tZk



?




I....suspect not. Hed probably be a 4th seed with homecourt in his worst seasons.


Jordans vices being gambling, mocking the poor, and cheating on his wife with fake tit having Asian strippers instead of drugs gave him a serious advantage.


Its certainty not his fault....but fact is....the league being 70% game throwing, random woman sodomizing, car accident having, coach stalking, FBI sting caught up in, mafia owing, "I'll suck yo dick!" baseheads gave the clean players an advantage they wouldnt have today with weed as the drug of choice and even the players doing that being in much much better shape. Jordan might not even have the playoff scoring record if the Knicks werent throwing games in 86 to allow his 30 win team to make the playoffs to begin with.


Guard Lebron with a 178 pound junkie who has been up for 4 days getting high with an assistant coach and has 5,000 dollars bet on Lebrons team to get out of debt to the mob....while in a league that takes 10 years to recover from a rapid expansion. See if it improves those accolades a bit. He might be a 9 time MVP by now chasing Bill Russell for the ring record.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[tpols]

I don't think any of MJ's top competition were coke heads... I'm sure Larry Bird and Kevin McHale were doing lines in the locker room.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Id love to know how Jordans teams would have done in a league that wasnt decimated by drug use, partying, and expansion.


Expansion added 6 teams from 87 to 95 as Jordan suddenly became a winner in the more watered down league that let teams with one or two standouts start to win. You take the Timberwolves, Magic, Raptors, Hornets, Heat, and Grizzlies out of the late 90s nba and youre adding a dozen plus potential stars to a pool of remaining teams that would have been much stronger. Obviously the Bulls themselves get stronger as the rising tide lifts all boats but the bottom of the league gets a LOT harder to beat up on and the top teams put up more of a fight. Throw Shaq, Penny, Larry Johnson, Zo, Glen Rice, Damon and so on back into the pool onto already established teams....you add a few superteams to contend with in the 90s with young stars on their benches making some squads crazy deep like the 80s. No doubt that watering down contributed heavily to the Bulls insane records these years and the less talented teams that formed to stop them. But worse than that?

You could make entire all star lineups out of the players lost to irresponsibility while Jordan rose to prominence. Its not his fault of course but fact is....he was playing coked out idiots like 80% of the time. And thats the ones who werent caught and banned, too physically destroyed, or in jail. In the 80s and 90s the NBA lost scores of actual and potential all stars to drugs and general poor conduct.

Even ignoring the lottery picks who never got off the ground due to drugs and alcohol like Len Bias(RIP) and Chris Washburn(third pick in the draft the same year as Bias) who was in rehab for cocaine by his second season and banned for life by his 3rd(which is why the potential Run TMC superteam never had a center) you had case after case of careers showing promise that got derailed.

Super teams that never came together is another issue. Bernard King and Adrian Dantley should have been a GOAT tier scoring tandem but a cocaine and sodomy charge(yes....coke AND sodomy) got Dantley shipped out of Utah just as their other promising guard died in a car accident and was found in the blood test to have been driving high. Chris Washburn wasnt the only Warrior ****ed up either. Chris Mullin was a raging alcoholic. Nique was left alone in the mid 80s when his all star mentor John Drew was arrested selling coke to a fed before being banned from the NBA. That was one of TWO all star guards Nique lost to cocaine. Eddie Johnson was an all star on the Hawks as Nique came in and was eventually banned too. Nique having help sure changes the 80s east.

The Mavs who were supposed to be the team of the late 80s/early 90s in the West(according to Magic at least) lost their bigman Roy Tarpley(who some old Mavs fans here had as the teams most talented player ever ahead of Dirk). Tarpley had coke suspensions over and over till he was banned for life. Last 4 full games? 16/15, 25/13/6, 29/10, and 26/11. He was banned at 25 and Dallas had to rebuild. They were a 14 win team before long. This was a while after David Thompson finished his drug related spiral out of the league. He got into a drunken/high altercation in Studio 54 and tore up his knee. Hakeem was left with little perimeter help when Lewis Lloyd(17ppg up and coming wing) and Andrew Wiggins dad Mitchell Wiggins were both banned for cocaine use in the late 80s. Michael Ray Richardsons drug and alcohol abuse had already taken one of the leagues best defenders and all around players out by then. He and 4 other Knicks were caught up by an FBI informant drug dealer. By the mid 80s it was so bad the FBI was investigating claims the Knicks were betting against themselves and throwing games to make coke money.

Marques Johnson was an all nba first teamer who should be in the hall of fame. Cocaine there too. Magic was in parties ****ing 40% of southern California while Worthy had his own issues and random arrests in FBI stings(once just before a game...he arrived late and got a standing ovation). Meanwhile they lost spencer haywood to coke who took it so poorly he was plotting to murder a coach. And it lasted into the 90s taking out some of Jordans best potential competition. The Suns may have had a few more finals runs in them if not for Richard Dumas getting banned for life too. The sonics had Kemp who it turned out was on drugs and traded him for an alcoholic in Vin Baker. It really goes on and on.

And im not even saying it didnt hurt Jordans teams too. My first favorite player Quinten Dailey was on cocaine and ruined his career before he could be of use to young Jordan. And all star Walter Davis who Jordan was pushing the Bulls to trade for was on coke too. Ive heard those rumors are one reason they didnt do the trade(obviously we cant know for sure).

Shit was really out of hand:














Whole drafts were lost to drugs to clear a path for MJs rise. I already mentioned bias and washburn from 86 but in total 4 of the top 10 players in the 86 draft were lost to cocaine use. Star after star was removed from the NBA as expansion weakened it as well.


I think its fair to ask the question......

Would Jordan have been such a standout if he werent one of the only clean players in a league full of junkie baseheads who could barely function and in many cases doomed other potential super teams from being true rivals?

Would Lebron have ever even been a 9 seed in a league with 200 of this guy trying to guard him:




https://youtu.be/lkoUbr8_tZk



?




I....suspect not. Hed probably be a 4th seed with homecourt in his worst seasons.


Jordans vices being gambling, mocking the poor, and cheating on his wife with fake tit having Asian strippers instead of drugs gave him a serious advantage.


Its certainty not his fault....but fact is....the league being 70% game throwing, random woman sodomizing, car accident having, coach stalking, FBI sting caught up in, mafia owing, "I'll suck yo dick!" baseheads gave the clean players an advantage they wouldnt have today with weed as the drug of choice and even the players doing that being in much much better shape. Jordan might not even have the playoff scoring record if the Knicks werent throwing games in 86 to allow his 30 win team to make the playoffs to begin with.


Guard Lebron with a 178 pound junkie who has been up for 4 days getting high with an assistant coach and has 5,000 dollars bet on Lebrons team to get out of debt to the mob....while in a league that takes 10 years to recover from a rapid expansion. See if it improves those accolades a bit. He might be a 9 time MVP by now chasing Bill Russell for the ring record.

1970's era was the crackhead era. Yet, Kareem managed to win 1 ring.

1980s they started cleaning up and just drank beers and stuff. That's what I've always heard anyway.

[tpols]

1970's era was the crackhead era. Yet, Kareem managed to win 1 ring.

1980s they started cleaning up and just drank beers and stuff. That's what I've always heard anyway.

Looking over the 80s and 90s superstars, it looks like most of them didn't do any heavy drugs. It was mostly the "other guys" and up and comers doing that stuff. The GOAT's MJ went against definitely weren't junkies.

[GrayGoat]

90’s had 6 new teams. Shit comp

[Kblaze8855]

Looking over the 80s and 90s superstars, it looks like most of them didn't do any heavy drugs. It was mostly the "other guys" and up and comers doing that stuff. The GOAT's MJ went against definitely weren't junkies.

In all seriousness it was mostly a 70s and 80s problem but it bled over into the 90s largely because of how many 90s teams were prevented from being all they could be. Roy Tarpley was pretty tragic for the Mavs. Chris Washburn missing from Run TMC. But the worst is probably the Celtics and Suns. Dumas likely helps the Suns back to the finals a trip or two. He was a rookie putting in work in the finals. Coke got him banned for life. They needed him in what should have been the start of his prime in the mid 90s when they kept collapsing vs the Rockets. Celtics even worse. With Bias and Lewis they might have been the primary rivals to the Bulls. Bias was supposed to be Jordans rival though ive always believed that was a little generous. But both he and Reggie Lewis die from cocaine related issues? They didnt talk about it much at the time out of respect but Lewis was on cocaine as early as 1987 when he first tested positive.


BOSTON (AP) _ The president of Northeastern University has suspended an assistant for not telling him that basketball star Reggie Lewis tested positive for cocaine in 1987, The Boston Globe reported today.
President John A. Curry said the assistant, Irwin Cohen, told him Wednesday that Lewis’ urine showed traces of cocaine several days before the Huskies played in the 1987 NCAA tournament.
Curry said Cohen, who was the athletic director in 1987, told him Lewis’ retest four days later came out negative.
``I can no longer say with certainty that Reggie Lewis was free from drugs while he played for Northeastern,″ Curry said.





Doctors who examined the late Boston Celtics (https://www.baltimoresun.com/topic/sports/basketball/boston-celtics-ORSPT000094-topic.html) player Reggie Lewis say they believed his heart quite likely was damaged by cocaine before the former Dunbar High basketball star collapsed and died of heart failure near Boston in 1993.A report in yesterday's Wall Street Journal, however, said the doctors kept silent about their suspicions under influence from the Celtics and Mr. Lewis' family, who stood to lose millions of dollars if his illness was linked to drugs.
The newspaper's report offered no proof of cocaine abuse. But it said the official cause of Mr. Lewis' death -- heart damage because of a viral infection -- has been rejected by cardiologists who examined him after a fainting spell during a game months before his death or later after his death.
Dr. Jeffrey Isner, a Boston cardiologist who assisted with Mr. Lewis' autopsy, called the conclusion of the Massachusetts state medical examiner's office "wildly improbable."


A friend of his said he used coke with him before games and a few days before he collapsed mid game:



A friend of the late Reggie Lewis told the Wall Street Journal that he had used cocaine with the former Boston star in a Maryland hotel before a Celtic game, the paper reported Monday. The paper had earlier reported that Lewis’ sudden death in 1993 might have been drug related.
Derrick Lewis, who played high school and college ball with Reggie Lewis and is no relation, said the Celtic star was “with me, an experimental user of cocaine like a lot of people, from executives to college students, who try it once in a while. Reggie was addicted to basketball, not drugs.”
Derrick Lewis said he and Reggie Lewis had used cocaine five days before Reggie collapsed in a playoff game against the Charlotte Hornets on April 29, 1993. Reggie died in August of 1993 after collapsing while shooting baskets.





I dont think youre old enough to remember so:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6pQyZkvmt4


Go to about 3 minutes. They show him just collapse. Looks weird. He never played again after that game. It happened again that summer and he died. Reports said the damage was done by a disease and he wasnt on coke but years later people came out and told the truth.

Im obviously not a doctor im just saying...he was on cocaine and died in the prime of his life of heart damage that some doctors say....seemed like it came from cocaine. And his friends said they did coke with him. And he tested positive in college. Awful lot of evidence is all im saying.

Whatever the cause....

Both of the should have been stars for the 90s Celtics died young with coke involved.

It was pretty ****ed up and not seriously funny.....but drug use did impact the mid 80s to 90s an awful lot.

Its obviously not the reason Jordan was Jordan...thats just ****ing around. But it did ruin a number of teams that should have been better. The Celtics in particular just got it raw. Their back to back top picks.....one dies 2 days after being drafted to carry them into the 90s and the next one was on the same thing that killed the other weakening his heart to die in his prime. They were a 48 win team with Bird already gone. Imagine if Bias had been just like....a middling all star. Thats a contender. Reggie had 17 in 13 minutes of a playoff game when he collapsed and never played again. Just a ****ed up situation overall.

I dont know when the drugs got out of the NBA but im sure Bias and Reggie were a wake up call.

[Kblaze8855]

Chris Washburns stories are crazy. He says he was doing coke with 3 other draft picks he wont name on draft night. Meanwhile Len on the same night was elsewhere doing so much coke it killed him...

Something like 6 guys that draft were on coke that we know about. The real number might be 20.

One underrated thing Stern did was just go tyrant and start kicking people out for drugs and slow it down. You failed the tests they banned you forever. Screws some franchises but it might have saved a dozen more. Something had to be done.

[3ball]

90’s had 6 new teams. Shit comp

^^^ the new teams were made from existing players and this spread the talent around evenly

so the top heavy, super-team 80's were over and the Finals standard was now only 2 stars

The lower standard meant that many teams were Finals-caliber, which is tougher than being 1 of 2 Finals-caliber teams.. the heat/spurs and cavs/warriors were the only teams with 3 perennial all-stars (big 3's), so they made all the Finals from 13-17'

[tpols]

I'm surprised Barkley didn't get any shit for team hopping to Houston... the team that whooped him. He was old I guess. I also learned his middle name is Wade. Now I see why they were a duo on the phone commercials.

[3ball]

I'm surprised Barkley didn't get any shit for team hopping to Houston... the team that whooped him. He was old I guess. I also learned his middle name is Wade. Now I see why they were a duo on the phone commercials.


Barkley was old in 99'?

Whose deserves blame for the Rockets' 1st Round loss?



1999 Playoffs 1st Round

Barkley.... 24/14/4 on 52.9%

Pippen.... 18/8/5 on 32.9%


Why is everyone so blinded about pippen?.. it's amazing - everyone thinks this guy played well

33-year old Pippen was 3rd option behind 35-year Barkley and Hakeem, while 35-year MJ carried an injured Pippen to a title with pip at 2nd option

[tpols]

Barkley was old in 99'?

Whose deserves blame for the Rockets' 1st Round loss?



1999 Playoffs 1st Round

Barkley.... 24/14/4 on 52.9%

Pippen.... 18/8/5 on 32.9%


Why is everyone so blinded about pippen?.. it's amazing - everyone thinks this guy played well

33-year old Pippen was 3rd option behind 35-year Barkley and Hakeem, while 35-year MJ carried an injured Pippen to a title with pip at 2nd option

Charles Barkley is probably the most underrated player ever. For reasons Blaze outlined, the suns would've beat the rockets given their leads on them, had Dumas not been knocked off, given how good he was. And they damn sure would've beaten the Knicks or Magic. Pippen sucked. You can never compare a truly GOAT dominant basketball player in Charles Barkley to Scottie Pippen.

[3ball]

Charles Barkley is probably the most underrated player ever. For reasons Blaze outlined, the suns would've beat the rockets given their leads on them, had Dumas not been knocked off, given how good he was. And they damn sure would've beaten the Knicks or Magic. Pippen sucked. You can never compare a truly GOAT dominant basketball player in Charles Barkley to Scottie Pippen.

Agreed

Ultimately, guys like prime Barkley/Wade/AD/Kyrie are untouchable by regular players, whereas pippen's pedestrian stats were routinely matched by bums like Horry (94' Finals), JR Smith (15' ECF), or Hughes (05')...That's the caliber of sidekick production that mj won 6 rings with (uber-peak horry or JR) - the stats don't lie