Are we in agreement that Lebron should have more MVPs?

[RoseCity07]

I think it's pretty obvious Lebron has missed some MVPs because of voter fatigue. From 2015 on he's been the most valuable player in the NBA. No one is really close. I know it's a regular season but time and time again the playoffs show he is for real all year long.

Harden wins it and doesn't do shit in the playoffs. Giannis wins it and chokes. Lebron doesn't win it and his team still makes the Finals.

I know Lebron is a douche a lot of the time but he should be a lock to win it this year. Tired of seeing a guy like Giannis get praise when we know this guy chokes every year in the playoffs.

[SouBeachTalents]

I think it's pretty obvious Lebron has missed some MVPs because of voter fatigue. From 2015 on he's been the most valuable player in the NBA. No one is really close. I know it's a regular season but time and time again the playoffs show he is for real all year long.

Harden wins it and doesn't do shit in the playoffs. Giannis wins it and chokes. Lebron doesn't win it and his team still makes the Finals.

I know Lebron is a douche a lot of the time but he should be a lock to win it this year. Tired of seeing a guy like Giannis get praise when we know this guy chokes every year in the playoffs.
I don't think you do

[Kblaze8855]

The “I know it's a regular season” part kinda makes the rest irrelevant.

You’re free not to like the award.....but it is what it is....

One guy wins 66 games or whatever the Rockets won when Harden won it while also doing great numbers....he’s probably winning mvp.

If you wanna strip it after the playoffs might Lebron lose 09 to Kobe who not only won 65 regular season games but led his team to the title? Maybe 2010 too.

You start changing the story by adding pages not yet written when the voting happened you could swap out a dozen or more mvp winners I’m sure.

Same for if you vote on what people’s past performances were. All you have is the season in question up to the voting date.

If Lebron wanted more mvps he could have stopped coasting through regular seasons.

[RoseCity07]

The “I know it's a regular season” part kinda makes the rest irrelevant.

You’re free not to like the award.....but it is what it is....

One guy wins 66 games or whatever the Rockets won when Harden won it while also doing great numbers....he’s probably winning mvp.

If you wanna strip it after the playoffs might Lebron lose 09 to Kobe who not only won 65 regular season games but led his team to the title? Maybe 2010 too.

You start changing the story by adding pages not yet written when the voting happened you could swap out a dozen or more mvp winners I’m sure.

Same for if you vote on what people’s past performances were. All you have is the season in question up to the voting date.

If Lebron wanted more mvps he could have stopped coasting through regular seasons.


But there is no doubt about it, even with his coasting he is the most valuable player. Lebron makes any team in the NBA a playoff team. ANY team.

Giannis doesn't. Harden doesn't. Curry doesn't. Lillard doesn't. Luka doesn't. None of them could do what Lebron does.

[red1]

he should have more championships - kd's bitch-ass and the all-time stacked warriors, plus kyrie's fragile ass going down in 2015 - that stole 3 prime years.



he's at 7 rings right now by my count

[bullettooth]

he's at 7 rings right now by my count

You live in an alternate reality. Why not just face the facts... 4 rings... three of them with asterisks?

[8Ball]

Yes but only 2020 he should have been the MVP instead of Giannis.

Giannis had a knee sprain back in March when the season cut. 1 more month of LeBron owning would have put him over Giannis.

Corona robbed LeBron of MVP #5.

[red1]

You live in an alternate reality. Why not just face the facts... 4 rings... three of them with asterisks?
just facts here.


4 modern rings = 7 or 8 90's rings



he's at 7 or 8 rings now if his main finals rival was karl malone, or if he entered the league in the 80's when players were smoking cigarettes and drinking beers at half-time.

[8Ball]

You live in an alternate reality. Why not just face the facts... 4 rings... three of them with asterisks?

Zero asterisks.

2020 - No home court advantage. Imagine being #1 seed and not getting any home court advantage.

2012-2013-2016 all won fair and square. No injuries to the main finals opponents.

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quatro - a new legacy


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[Airupthere]

The only legit championship is 2016. Others are a results of collusion/recruitment and tje last one is in the bubble.

[bullettooth]

Zero asterisks.

2020 - No home court advantage. Imagine being #1 seed and not getting any home court advantage.

2012-2013-2016 all won fair and square. No injuries to the main finals opponents.

Imagine having A.D. lead your team... against a bunch of Rookies... and then having their starting players injured.

Get real.

[Dbrog]

But there is no doubt about it, even with his coasting he is the most valuable player. Lebron makes any team in the NBA a playoff team. ANY team.

Giannis doesn't. Harden doesn't. Curry doesn't. Lillard doesn't. Luka doesn't. None of them could do what Lebron does.

2019 Lakers happened literally a season before this one....wtf is wrong with you.

[red1]

2019 Lakers happened literally a season before this one....wtf is wrong with you.

carrying those young scrubs to a top-4 seed before injury is a plus not a minus


2020 finals MVP

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[8Ball]

Imagine having A.D. lead your team... against a bunch of Rookies... and then having their starting players injured.

Get real.

Wrong.

2020 - No home court advantage.

LeBron won finals MVP

Bam and Dragic played game 1 and 6. Bam played game 1 4 5 6 and averaged his regular season stats.

[8Ball]

The only legit championship is 2016. Others are a results of collusion/recruitment and tje last one is in the bubble.

GOAT gonna GOAT.

No home court advantage in 2020. Bubble was a huge mountain to climb for the 1st seed.

[Manny98]

He got snubbed in 2018 & 2020 so he should have 5/6 MVPs

[dawsey6]

I firmly believe Lebron should have won it in 2018 based on his regular season performance.

Aside from shooting some crazy amount of threes and getting to the FT line, Lebron did everything else better than James Harden, whether you're going with the eye test or the stats. Even though his scoring averages were about 2.5 points below Harden's, he made more field goals and at a much better FG%, and an argument could be made that he should have gotten more foul calls as much contact as he took driving inside. He was the better passer, rebounder, and defender, and for as much as we talked about Hardan being a sort of ironman among the superstars, Lebron led the league in minutes and played 82 games to Harden's 72.

In terms of team success, well... Harden had the better team. That's it. He had a brilliant GM determined to make bold moves to put the best team around Harden possible, which lead to him landing Chris Paul in a risky sign-and-trade. They had one of the most brilliant coaches in the history of the game whose style of play was designed for a player like Harden to put up the numbers that he did. He had the system, the coach, the co-star, the shooters, and most importantly, much more consistency throughout the year of all of those things. 65 wins is an amazing accomplishment regardless, but it was often compared to the Cavs' season without any context. The Cavs season was pretty much a disaster from before it even began. In the middle of working out a blockbuster trade in the off-season, the best GM Bron had in Cleveland was fired, Kyrie demanded a trade with two years left on his contract and the new GM gave in and traded him to a conference contender for broken pieces. Isaiah, who was supposed to make the trade worth it, wasn't available until February, played horribly, and talked $h!t to the media about the team once he did. They then traded virtually half the roster for new pieces that struggled to find their place, Kevin Love was in and out with injury, and Ty Lue had to leave the bench for a time for what some sources believed to be a life-threatening condition. There was never an opportunity for the team to actually gel. In spite of this, the Cavs won 50 games, one game less than 2017 with career-year Kyrie and respectable in any MVP convo, and the only thing keeping it together was Lebron playing out of his mind.

Part of the narrative of James Harden deserving the award was him being 2nd-place in voting enough twice before and never won one, so leading the league in scoring and winning 65 games made it an easy narrative to cling to for MVP. It was also very impressive that the team stayed good with Paul out for a chunk of the season and that is thanks to Harden. But the other side of the narrative was about how much Lebron was to blame for Kyrie leaving, which is not only unrealistic because he was unnecessarily traded and Kyrie is his own person, but unfair because of all the things that are typically considered in MVP discussion, when has a GM's decision in the off-season been a factor any other player's MVP campaign in the regular season? Plus, the Cavs couldn't buy a bucket in the 11 mpg Bron was off the floor. They could have missed the playoffs if Lebron had missed significant time that season.

And that's without going into the playoff run, or it being in year 15. All things considered, it was a masterful season for Bron.

[Kblaze8855]

The 2018 Cavs winning 50 games is hardly remarkable. That’s about what a great player with a middling supporting cast can do. The pacers won 48 with Oladipo and 6-7 role players(Bojan didn’t break out till the next season and Sabonis was still off the bench).

People always try to dramatize things when a superstar has less than pristine conditions but fact is....the 2018 Cavs were a perfectly normal supporting cast with some pretty normal injuries to people who weren’t doing much anyway.

You aren’t usually winning mvp winning 50 games because a couple role players were banged up.

It may happen once every 20 years but it’s nothing to expect. He had a great playoffs. His regular season wasn’t the kind that wins mvps success wise.