Jordan kept the GOAT crown for 22 years (1998-2020), how long will LeBron keep it..

[Gus Hemmingway]

Could we potentially go the rest of our lives without seeing anyone surpass LeBron?

[3ball]

You must be #1 in something to be goat

(rings as the best player in 3-pointer basketball, scoring, FMVP's, 2-point jumpshooting, post game, impact)

[Kiddlovesnets]

MJ is still the GOAT and I do not see a player in the next 10-20 years to surpass him. Lebron's realistic goal is to surpass Magic next, hes still 4th behind Magic and Kareem.

[Gus Hemmingway]

You must be #1 in something to be goat

(rings as the best player in 3-pointer basketball, scoring, FMVP's, 2-point jumpshooting, post game, impact)

#1 in playoff points

#1 in regular season points (soon)

#1 in All NBA 1st teams

#1 in 70 win teams beaten

#1 in career win shares

#1 in virtually every playoff stat


Jordan’s the guy who never dominated in any one thing

[3ball]

#1 in playoff points

#1 in regular season points (soon)

#1 in All NBA 1st teams

#1 in 70 win teams beaten

#1 in career win shares

#1 in virtually every playoff stat


Jordan’s the guy who never dominated in any one thing

Career totals don't count.. if that's your goat case you have none

[RRR3]

Snivelball :roll:

[8Ball]

Career totals don't count because Jordan doesn't have any right?

Career totals are absolutely needed.

[3ball]

Career totals don't count because Jordan doesn't have any right?

Career totals are absolutely needed.

It didn't work for Kareem so why would it work for lebron

And guys like Stockton have better career totals

[8Ball]

Could we potentially go the rest of our lives without seeing anyone surpass LeBron?

Correct.

LeBron will reach 40k points and most likely 18 all nba teams.

Luka would need to play as well as he did last year for another 17 years straight.

Jordan couldn't even do it. He was mentally fatigued and quit twice.

Also wasn't good enough to get drafted in nba at 19.

So a player of Jordan's calibre and talent born today still wouldn't be able to do it.

[3ball]

Correct.

LeBron will reach 40k points and most likely 18 all nba teams.

Luka would need to play as well as he did last year for another 17 years straight.

Jordan couldn't even do it. He was mentally fatigued and quit twice.

Also wasn't good enough to get drafted in nba at 19.

So a player of Jordan's calibre and talent born today still wouldn't be able to do it.

Who is the higher caliber player?

[...] Player A - all-nba

[X] Player B - all-nba, all-defense, scoring champ

[8Ball]

It didn't work for Kareem so why would it work for lebron

And guys like Stockton have better career totals

Kareem has same number of All nba 1st teams as Jordan did. Which is only 10.

But LeBron has 13 all nba 1st teams. 16 all nba teams out of 17 seasons played.

Bron will have potentially 19 all nba teams out of 20 seasons!

Kareem has 15 out of 20 seasons played.

Poor Jordan lost his #1

[8Ball]

Who is the higher caliber player?

[...] Player A - all-nba

[X] Player B - all-nba, all-defense, scoring champ

LeBron higher calibre than Jordan.

Bigger taller stronger. Does more on the court.

16/17 all nba teams vs seasons played.

Jordan is 11/15. So many years Jordan wasn't elite. :(

[Kiddlovesnets]

The 100% finals record is a necessary condition for GOAT. Lebron was already disqualified from GOAT conversation since 2007, his ceiling is #2 all time however many titles/FMVPs he wins in future. See this thread for more details/explanations:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?485815-Reminder-A-100-Finals-winning-percentage-is-a-NECESSARY-condition-for-GOAT

[3ball]

Kareem has same number of All nba 1st teams as Jordan did. Which is only 10.

But LeBron has 13 all nba 1st teams. 16 all nba teams out of 17 seasons played.

Bron will have potentially 19 all nba teams out of 20 seasons!

Kareem has 15 out of 20 seasons played.

Poor Jordan lost his #1

Lebron's all-nba is plain vanilla "Detlef Schrempf" caliber all-nba - just all-nba with nothing to go with it . Like a naked flush draw

Otoh, Jordan's all-nba is the highest caliber because it comes with scoring title and top 5 DPOY

[8Ball]

The 100% finals record is a necessary condition for GOAT. Lebron was already disqualified from GOAT conversation since 2007, his ceiling is #2 all time however many titles/FMVPs he wins in future. See this thread for more details/explanations:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?485815-Reminder-A-100-Finals-winning-percentage-is-a-NECESSARY-condition-for-GOAT

Wrong.

16 all nba teams is 100% necessary for condition GOAT.

[8Ball]

Lebron's all-nba is plain vanilla "Detlef Schrempf" caliber all-nba - just all-nba with nothing to go with it . Like a naked flush draw

Otoh, Jordan's all-nba is the highest caliber because it comes with scoring title and top 5 DPOY

Still waiting for Schrempf to make 13 all nba first teams, 16 overall. The day Schrempf makes 17 all nba teams with 14 all nba 1st teams will the day Schrempf becomes GOAT.

Scoring titles mean what exactly? Player chucked as much as he could.

Look at westbrook or Tracy Mcgrady winning those scoring titles. Nobody cares.

[3ball]

Wrong.

16 all nba teams is 100% necessary for condition GOAT.

16 Detlef Schrempf all-nba? Who cares

Jordan has 9 all-nba that include scoring champ and top 5 DPOY

[RRR3]

This psycho is legit comparing LeBron to Detlef ****ing Schrempf. Absolutely unhinged.

[8Ball]

16 Detlef Schrempf all-nba? Who cares

Jordan has 9 all-nba that include scoring champ and top 5 DPOY

LeBron has 13 all nba 1st team. Jordan has 10.

LeBron gonna keep adding while Jordan gonna keep paying Hayward 120M to sit on bench :roll:

[Kiddlovesnets]

Wrong.

16 all nba teams is 100% necessary for condition GOAT.

Nope, MJ the reigning GOAT has achieved 100% finals record. In order to surpass MJ, the challengers must fulfill this minimum requirement to stand a chance. One finals series loss is enough to disqualify a player from GOAT conversation.

[8Ball]

Nope, MJ the reigning GOAT has achieved 100% finals record. In order to surpass MJ, the challengers must fulfill this minimum requirement to stand a chance. One finals series loss is enough to disqualify a player from GOAT conversation.

Nope.

You make up random criteria. So will I.

13 all nba 1st teams is #1 threshold to GOAT discussion.

Robert Horry already met your 100% finals record so we are moving on to more difficult criteria.

16 all nba teams. Who has done that before? Nobody.

[trada7029]

Nope.

You make up random criteria. So will I.

13 all nba 1st teams is #1 threshold to GOAT discussion.

Robert Horry already met your 100% finals record so we are moving on to more difficult criteria.

16 all nba teams. Who has done that before? Nobody.

Lebron's all-nba comes with no all-defense and #15 scorer

Jordan's all-nba comes with top 5 DPOY and scoring title

[Kings2024Champs]

Jordan lost the crown after 2013. Miami Bron is basically superhuman. No flaws. MJ is next then Kareem but both those guys played in eras where ppl worked at UPS in the offseason. Bron is the biggest fish in the biggest pond :rockon:

[RRR3]

Jordan lost the crown after 2013. Miami Bron is basically superhuman. No flaws. MJ is next then Kareem but both those guys played in eras where ppl worked at UPS in the offseason. Bron is the biggest fish in the biggest pond :rockon:
True. After LeBron won a ring with a 16 PPG second option and a 12 PPG third option in 2013 I knew he was GOAT.

[8Ball]

Jordan lost the crown after 2013. Miami Bron is basically superhuman. No flaws. MJ is next then Kareem but both those guys played in eras where ppl worked at UPS in the offseason. Bron is the biggest fish in the biggest pond :rockon:

Looks like consensus is in.

LeBron GOAT starting 2020.

Lets see how long this lasts. Safe to say another 50 to 60 years. Or never.

[Kings2024Champs]

Looks like consensus is in.

LeBron GOAT starting 2020.

Lets see how long this lasts. Safe to say another 50 to 60 years. Or never.

The crown is in its rightful place.. with the king :bowdown:

[Gray GOAT]

Good question OP, but I think you're being a bit too generous. Jordan was only the GOAT for 18 years. LeBron has been the consensus greatest player of all time since 2016.

[Baller789]

Is Lebron consensus GOAT?

[Kiddlovesnets]

Nope, MJ is the consensus GOAT, Lebron is the consensus FFOAT(finals failure of all time) instead

[kawhileonard2]

Not losing to Dwight Howard a career loser with HCA is a requirement as well (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=472231
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570) as not embarrasing the USA in the Olympics by bringing home bronze medals.

[bullettooth]

What? How does a 6 times finals loser surpass a 6 times finals WINNER?

[GrayGoat]

What? How does a 6 times finals loser surpass a 6 times finals WINNER?

2016 solidified it. Lead everyone in everything, 3-1 deficit, 73 win team

[3ball]

Jordan lost the crown after 2013. Miami Bron is basically superhuman. No flaws. MJ is next then Kareem but both those guys played in eras where ppl worked at UPS in the offseason. Bron is the biggest fish in the biggest pond :rockon:

Lebron averaged 16 on 39% for the first 3 games because the Spurs left him open and he can't shoot... Somehow his teammates avoided an 0-3 deficit with lebron wetting the bed... it was 2011 all over again except this time Ray was there to save him.

Ultimately, his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games, so Ray Allen was needed to force a 7th... Lebron was a net negative for the series (negative net rating; heat lost with him on the floor)

[Axe]

He wouldn't have goat status without pippen

[Baller789]

He wouldn't have goat status without pippen

So your saying he's GOAT then?

[Baller789]

Looks like consensus is in.

LeBron GOAT starting 2020.

Lets see how long this lasts. Safe to say another 50 to 60 years. Or never.

Is he consensus GOAT?

[TheMan]

Nope, MJ the reigning GOAT has achieved 100% finals record. In order to surpass MJ, the challengers must fulfill this minimum requirement to stand a chance. One finals series loss is enough to disqualify a player from GOAT conversation.

LeBron needs to at the very least get over .500 in NBA Finals, so far he has a losing Finals record...that ain't GOAT material. Doesn't work for Wilt, why the fukk should it work for LeBron? No GOAT player in any other major sport has a losing record in the final round yet we have to make an exception for LeFraud :oldlol: Imagine Federer losing more Finals than winning them, nobody would be calling him GOAT.

[And1AllDay]

#1 in playoff points

#1 in regular season points (soon)

#1 in All NBA 1st teams

#1 in 70 win teams beaten

#1 in career win shares

#1 in virtually every playoff stat


Jordan’s the guy who never dominated in any one thing

playoff steals, vorp, game winners, elim game ppgz, triple dpubles, 30 pt games, 30 per runs too

shit it downnnnn

:hammertime:

[3ball]

playoff steals, vorp, game winners, elim game ppgz, triple dpubles, 30 pt games, 30 per runs too

shit it downnnnn

:hammertime:

Lebron isn't the best at any aspect of basketball

So he can't be the goat

Otoh, Jordan is the goat scorer, which is the most important category

people forget that the way a player scores affects the way teammates play around him - so being the goat scorer isn't just about scoring the most - it's also about scoring the most OPTIMALLY... :pimp:

[Baller789]

playoff steals, vorp, game winners, elim game ppgz, triple dpubles, 30 pt games, 30 per runs too

shit it downnnnn

:hammertime:

Is Lebron the consensus GOAT?