Top 30 all-time players must have top 30 playoff performances - Pippen has none

[trada7029]

and is therefore a fraud - how can someone be top 30 if they never played top 30 caliber?

The production rate stats (PER, WS/48, OBPM, peak VORP) say he's about #120 all-time - only Pippen has a perceived rank that is far different from his production rate rankings

Ultimately, guys like prime Wade, AD or Kyrie were untouchable by regular players, whereas pippen's pedestrian stats are attainable by bums like Horry (95' Finals), JR Smith (15' ECF), Larry Hughes (05'), basically any decent player has reached prime pippen production rate

[8Ball]

Won 55 and 59 games without Jordan. :oldlol:

[AlternativeAcc.]

Won 55 and 59 games without Jordan. :oldlol:
Viscous 1st reply slay

[SATAN]

OP is a ******.

[trada7029]

Won 55 and 59 games without Jordan. :oldlol:

Based on your logic, Marc Gasol > Pippen because Gasol won 55 and won DPOY

Ultimately, Wade has a top 30 performance in 2006

AD arguably has a top 30 performance by being scoring champ for the 2020 Playoffs and MVP of the real Finals vs Denver

Kyrie destroyed the only unanimous league MVP in 2016 and his career Finals ppg = lebron's

Otoh, pippen peaked at 22 and 5 apg in the playoffs and nowhere near the top 30 rank that casual fans give him...

[SouBeachTalents]

Is this fakkit really gonna make a Pippen thread every day during the regular season? What a fcking loser :oldlol:

[trada7029]

Is this fakkit really gonna make a Pippen thread every day during the regular season? What a fcking loser :oldlol:

how can someone be top 30 if they never played top 30 caliber with zero top 30 performances?

It makes no sense

Ultimately, guys like prime Wade, AD or Kyrie were untouchable by regular players, whereas pippen's pedestrian stats are attainable by bums like Horry (95' Finals), JR Smith (15' ECF), Larry Hughes (05') - basically any decent player has reached prime pippen production rate

[SATAN]

What a fcking loser :oldlol:

Agreed.

[3ball]

Agreed.

You could shut me down by pointing out a top 30 performance for pippen

But you can't, so you stay mad

[8Ball]

Won 55 and 59 games without Jordan. :oldlol:

Anyone have a counter to this?

Still waiting.

[3ball]

Anyone have a counter to this?

Still waiting.


Post his stats and we'll see if it's top 30


1996-1998 Playoffs

Pippen 17/7/5 on 40%

^^^ matched by bums like Starks (94' Finals), Horry (95' Finals), JR Smith (15' ECF), Hughes (05')

Pippen was a bum

[Manny98]

Best perimeter defender ever

Lead the Bulls dynasty in 4/5 major statistical categories

Lead a Bulls team to 55 wins without MJ and finished top 3 in MVP voting

Regarded by NBA legends as the second best perimeter player of his era behind MJ

Sounds top 30 to me :applause:

[8Ball]

Best perimeter defender ever

Lead the Bulls dynasty in 4/5 major statistical categories

Lead a Bulls team to 55 wins without MJ and finished top 3 in MVP voting

Regarded by NBA legends as the second best perimeter player of his era behind MJ

Sounds top 30 to me :applause:

Don't forget he won 59 games in 2000 and was 1 quarter away from making the finals in 2000.

What a chad. What a stud.

[3ball]

Best perimeter defender ever

Lead the Bulls dynasty in 4/5 major statistical categories

Lead a Bulls team to 55 wins without MJ and finished top 3 in MVP voting

Regarded by NBA legends as the second best perimeter player of his era behind MJ

Sounds top 30 to me :applause:

Pippen was never dpoy and finished behind MJ in dpoy voting every year

And Jordan led the bulls in assists and assist percentage

Pippen was a low-scoring role player that only averaged 5 apg and 6 rebounds

[3ball]

:facepalm:

[Kings2024Champs]

Jordan brings elite scoring and cheating the passing lanes. Pippen brought everything else to the bulls. MJ got the attention and he was the loudest but Pippen we know carried the big stick :D

[Manny98]

Pippen was never dpoy and finished behind MJ in dpoy voting every year

And Jordan led the bulls in assists and assist percentage

Pippen was a low-scoring role player that only averaged 5 apg and 6 rebounds

No Pippen led the Bulls in assists in 4/6 of the Bulls title runs and had the ball in his hands more than MJ overall so Pippen was the primary facilator of the team hence why the Bulls fell off offensively without Pippens playmaker

Pippen was the original point forward before Lebron came around, he could do everything, most versatile player ever

[3ball]

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Comparing sidekick help while trying to 3-peat - 14' Wade vs 93' Pippen


14' Wade..... 18.5 PER.. 0.086 ws/48.. 1.6 obpm
93' Pippen... 16.9 PER.. 0.083 ws/48.. 1.1 obpm


Per 100 Possessions - Playoffs

14' Wade..... 28.6 pts.. 6.2 ast.. 56.0 ts.. 106 ortg
93' Pippen... 26.2 pts.. 7.4 ast.. 50.0 ts.. 102 ortg

[3ball]

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PIPPEN


1988 Playoffs.... 10 ppg role player

1989 Playoffs.... 10 ppg role player

1990 Playoffs.... 16 on 42% in ECF and "migraine" cost bulls title

1993 Playoffs.... worse than 14' Wade (see stats in previous post)

1994 Playoffs.... 21/7/5 on 40% and destroyed by Ewing

1995 Playoffs.... 18/9/5 on 44%.. outplayed by Larry Johnson & Penny heads-up

1996 Playoffs.... 17/8/6 on 39% = 94' John Starks Finals

1997 Playoffs.... 17/7/4 on 42% = 95' Robert Horry Finals

1998 Playoffs.... 17/7/5 on 41% = 05' Larry Hughes

1999 Playoffs.... 18 on 32%... destroyed by Kobe

00-04' Playoffs.... 9 ppg and 5th option



^^^ how is that top 30 all time???.. :kobe:... :whatever:

You guys are fos - pippen is literally the worst playoff performer of all-time

[Manny98]

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Comparing sidekick help while trying to 3-peat - 14' Wade vs 93' Pippen


14' Wade..... 18.5 PER.. 0.086 ws/48.. 1.6 obpm
93' Pippen... 16.9 PER.. 0.083 ws/48.. 1.1 obpm


Per 100 Possessions - Playoffs

14' Wade..... 28.6 pts.. 6.2 ast.. 56.0 ts.. 106 ortg
93' Pippen... 26.2 pts.. 7.4 ast.. 50.0 ts.. 102 ortg

So Pippen is basically Wade with better playmaking and far better defense?

GOAT sidekick

[3ball]

So Pippen is basically Wade with better playmaking and far better defense?

GOAT sidekick

14' Wade produced more for lebron then 93' pippen did for Jordan

:confusedshrug:

But Lebron couldn't average 41 in the Finals to win like Jordan did...

Lebron averaged 13 less, so he lost by about that margin

[Manny98]

14' Wade produced more for lebron then 93' pippen did for Jordan

:confusedshrug:

But Lebron simply couldn't average 41 in the Finals to win like Jordan did...

Lebron averaged 13 less, so he lost by about that margin
Nope Pippen produced equal scoring with way better playmaking and defense

LeBron would 3-peat if he had Pippen instead of Wade

[GrayGoat]

No Pip?

[3ball]

Nope Pippen produced equal scoring with way better playmaking and defense

LeBron would 3-peat if he had Pippen instead of Wade

Pippen's overall production was less in the 93' Playoffs than 14' Wade (lower OBPM, PER, and WS/48)

And lebron had more good defenders than mj, aka Battier, Birdman, Haslem... The problem is that lebron himself was a matador, so the team followed his lead

In the 14', 15', 17', and 18' Finals - lebron was the only Heat or Cav that let their defensive assignment average more than 2 points above their regular season average - so only lebron was playing bad defense

[GrayGoat]

No Pip?

No chip

[Manny98]

Pippen's overall production was less in the 93' Playoffs than 14' Wade (lower OBPM, PER, and WS/48)
Pippen averaged more rebounds, assists and played far better defense so Lebron would have 3 peated if he had Pippen instead of Wade

[3ball]

No chip

No one to get higher PER, BPM, WS or VORP than Pippen......

(someone better than pip)

no chip

[3ball]

Pippen averaged more rebounds, assists and played far better defense so Lebron would have 3 peated if he had Pippen instead of Wade

Wade averaged 1 less assist per 100 possessions, but 2.5 more points with less turnovers, so Wade produced more overall and therefore has the higher production rate than pip (PER, WS, OBPM)

And again, lebron had more good defenders than mj, aka Battier, Birdman, Haslem... The problem is that lebron himself was a matador, so the team followed his lead:

In the 14-18' Finals - lebron was the only Heat or Cav that let their defensive assignment average more than 2 points above their regular season average - so only lebron was playing bad defense... He was a matador, so teammates followed his lead

[8Ball]

3ball Meltdown on Christmas Eve 2020.

:lol

[Manny98]

Wade averaged 1 less assist per 100 possessions, but 2.5 more points with less turnovers, so Wade produced more overall and therefore has the higher production rate than pip (PER, WS, OBPM)

And again, lebron had more good defenders than mj, aka Battier, Birdman, Haslem... The problem is that lebron himself was a matador, so the team followed his lead:

In the 14-18' Finals - lebron was the only Heat or Cav that let their defensive assignment average more than 2 points above their regular season average - so only lebron was playing bad defense... He was a matador, so teammates followed his lead
Pippen averaged more rebounds, assists and played far better defense so Lebron would have 3 peated if he had Pippen instead of Wade

[3ball]

3ball Meltdown on Christmas Eve 2020.

:lol

^^^ white towel

Victory itt for 3ball...

On Christmas Eve! All seasons Indeed

[Manny98]

^^^ white towel

Victory itt for 3ball...

On Christmas Eve! All seasons Indeed
Pippen averaged more rebounds, assists and played far better defense so Lebron would have 3 peated if he had Pippen instead of Wade

[3ball]

Pippen averaged more rebounds, assists and played far better defense so Lebron would have 3 peated if he had Pippen instead of Wade

Jordan had to score nearly 40% of his teams points to win with pippen scoring so little

Lebron can't score that much of his team's points and never has

And Wade was always the higher assist guy than pippen - a far superior playmaker and assist man - but lebron lowered Wade's assists from 7 to 4, just like all lebron's teammates

[Manny98]

Jordan had to score nearly 40% of his teams points to win with pippen scoring so little

Lebron can't score that much of his team's points and never has

And Wade was always the higher assist guy than pippen - a far superior playmaker and assist man - but lebron lowered Wade's assists from 7 to 4, just like all lebron's teammates

Pippen averaged more rebounds, assists and played far better defense so Lebron would have 3 peated if he had Pippen instead of Wade

[baudkarma]

How do you define a "playoff performance"? A single game? A series? Maybe the entire playoffs for a single season? If it's any of these than your top 30 list has a lot of the same names popping up over and over again. MJ, LeBron, Shaq, Bird, Magic.. you get the idea. The list of top 30 playoff performances might only contain 15 different names.

Also, does this mean that Karl Malone and Wilt Chamberlain are not in the top 30 all time?

[Airupthere]

Because he was teamed up with MJ. If he had been option A all his career, he would have had a number. Pip is atg. Him and MJ and the team they had formed a hell of a dynasty.

[3ball]

How do you define a "playoff performance"? A single game? A series? Maybe the entire playoffs for a single season? If it's any of these than your top 30 list has a lot of the same names popping up over and over again. MJ, LeBron, Shaq, Bird, Magic.. you get the idea. The list of top 30 playoff performances might only contain 15 different names.

Also, does this mean that Karl Malone and Wilt Chamberlain are not in the top 30 all time?

Pippen wouldn't rank anywhere near top 30 for any category of playoff performance - single game, single series, single playoff run

His peak was 22 ppg with Jordan, or without..

Jordan averaged 10-30 more than Pippen in every series, whereas everyone else in history had a teammate lead them in scoring for an entire playoff run (except KD, but guys matched KD, whereas pippen was never anywhere near Jordan)

Ultimately, everyone in history is a "pippen", because they needed a "Jordan" teammate that could outscore them, while mj only needed pippen (someone that scored far less in every series.. with lower career apg too)

[Gray GOAT]

You could shut me down by pointing out a top 30 performance for pippen

But you can't, so you stay mad

Wrong account bro.

[light]

and is therefore a fraud - how can someone be top 30 if they never played top 30 caliber?

The production rate stats (PER, WS/48, OBPM, peak VORP) say he's about #120 all-time - only Pippen has a perceived rank that is far different from his production rate rankings

Ultimately, guys like prime Wade, AD or Kyrie were untouchable by regular players, whereas pippen's pedestrian stats are attainable by bums like Horry (95' Finals), JR Smith (15' ECF), Larry Hughes (05'), basically any decent player has reached prime pippen production rate

Pippen's dunk on Ewing is an all time great playoff moment. Most players dont have moments like that.

[trada7029]

Pippen's dunk on Ewing is an all time great playoff moment. Most players dont have moments like that.

KJ's poster over Hakeem was better and more legendary (and KJ averaged 28/5/9 that series with multiple 40-pt games)

Everything KJ did one-upped Pippen:

Pippen dunked on Ewing (KJ got Hakeem)...

Pippen missed the conference finals after getting destroyed by Ewing (KJ makes the conference finals after destroying Magic)

KJ was a better passer and scorer than Pippen, with far better stats... and far better playoff performance

[Magic Is Magic]

Based on my researched player ranking formula, Pippen is not top 30 and neither is Wade.

Wade ranked 32nd and Pippen 33rd, which shows that neither made the cut.

[baudkarma]

Pippen wouldn't rank anywhere near top 30 for any category of playoff performance - single game, single series, single playoff run

His peak was 22 ppg with Jordan, or without..

Jordan averaged 10-30 more than Pippen in every series, whereas everyone else in history had a teammate lead them in scoring for an entire playoff run (except KD, but guys matched KD, whereas pippen was never anywhere near Jordan)

Ultimately, everyone in history is a "pippen", because they needed a "Jordan" teammate that could outscore them, while mj only needed pippen (someone that scored far less in every series.. with lower career apg too)

Well thanks. You didn't really answer either of my questions. How do you define a "playoff performance"? And are Wilt and Karl kicked off of the top 30 island because neither of them has a stellar playoffs performance?

[Axe]

Pip didn't need baldan to win 55 games

[Horatio33]

James Worthy had a triple double in a game 7 to win a championship. Is he top 30 all time?

[Baller789]

Pip didn't need baldan to win 55 games

Jordan needed Pip.

Axe needed 3ball.

Not rocket science really.