Jaylen Brown or Jimmy Butler

[GrayGoat]

Who would you take right now? Both are similar players but I feel Brown will be more reliable offensively

[DoctorP]

Butler. Dudes got some clutch skills

[DoctorP]

Id even take Butler over Harden in the playoffs

[GrayGoat]

Id even take Butler over Harden in the playoffs

Edge in clutch for sure. For now Butler is better in the playoffs. Regular season is Brown

[DoctorP]

Butler / Harden would be a perfect fit tbh

[GrayGoat]

Butler / Harden would be a perfect fit tbh

Word on the street is Harden is open to Boston trade

[AirTupac]

BI will have a better season than Butler/Brown.

[DoctorP]

Word on the street is Harden is open to Boston trade

Interesting fit that would be. Creative ISO guys don't seem to be a fit in that system

[Axe]

Butler


BI will have a better season than Butler/Brown.
:oldlol:

[dbugz]

BI will have a better season than Butler/Brown.

pelicans fan :roll: :roll: :roll:

[light]

Who would you take right now? Both are similar players but I feel Brown will be more reliable offensively

Based on the Finals how can one not choose Butler?

Brown hasn't shown that he can reach Butler's level.

[dbugz]

Based on the Finals how can one not choose Butler?

Brown hasn't shown that he can reach Butler's level.

it's a scrimmage season. it means nothing. it's just a fluke.

[Real Men Wear Green]

it's a scrimmage season. it means nothing. it's just a fluke.

It counts. It's not like we've never seen Butler play well before he's been a star for years. And certainly can't say that he's not proven while Brown is. If anything the opposite would be the case. I am a full believer that Brown will be just as good if not better but he hasn't done what Buttler has yet.

[RRR3]

Butler. Not close.

[Gray GOAT]

Unlike Butler, Brown has never lost in the Finals, so him.

[LAL]

So butler is the new enemy of bronsexuals now? He outplayed, outworked and was more efficient than lebron in the finals.

Showed us all he's not out there chasing triple doubles in reg season for mvp's and his brand.

Have some respect for the man chumps.

[Kings2024Champs]

Brown younger and better shooter

[Kings2024Champs]

So butler is the new enemy of bronsexuals now? He outplayed, outworked and was more efficient than lebron in the finals.

Showed us all he's not out there chasing triple doubles in reg season for mvp's and his brand.

Have some respect for the man chumps.

Unhinged, stay on topic

[PeroAntic]

Jimmy Butler is one of the best players in the league. Jaylen Brown isn't. wtf was op thinking. season just started and we already have a dumbest thread of the year candidate.

[999Guy]

Not only is Brown not close to Jimmy, he’s never sniffing an ASG with his stiff uncreative dribble and poor floor vision.

[ThatCoolKid]

Brown is 24 Butler is 31 and I don't think Butler ages gracefully. If I had to pick one player to have on my team right now I choose Brown. Good shooter, smart with the ball, athletic and can slash, good defender and has been improving significantly every season. Butler's shot is inconsistent and as he gets older that's going to hurt him more and more. He had a great finals and is a good playoff performer but I question how reproducible it will be.

[Wally450]

Jimmy to win now.

Jaylen if I have a 5 year window.

[AirBonner]

One has a fmvp the other has a ? Painted nails

[warriorfan]

One has a fmvp the other has a ? Painted nails

jimmy butler isn’t that big of a deal

i don’t think anyone necessarily cares

[RRR3]

I don’t see how Butler wouldn’t have won on this Celtics team.

[AirBonner]

I don’t see how Butler wouldn’t have won on this Celtics team.

I don’t think butler can guard as good as brown

[Real Men Wear Green]

I don’t see how Butler wouldn’t have won on this Celtics team.
Unfortunately he would have been hurt and that's major. The Celtics will be paying Brown 300 mil and absolutely would not trade him for Butler.

[1987_Lakers]

Unfortunately he would have been hurt and that's major. The Celtics will be paying Brown 300 mil and absolutely would not trade him for Butler.

Obviously. Butler is about to turn 35 next season.

[beasted]

One has a fmvp the other has a ? Painted nails

Of the last 40 years worth of Finals, Brown ranks only 33rd in scoring because he's clearly just an above average player on a stacked team.

I'd slow down there, guy.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Of the last 40 years worth of Finals, Brown ranks only 33rd in scoring because he's clearly just an above average player on a stacked team.

I'd slow down there, guy.

In any NBA finals you will have the best team in the NBA playing against arguably the second best team in the NBA. Not always but very often the man that leads the Finals in scoring has a strong contingent of fans that would argue he's the best player in the NBA and that player was legit mvp candidate. That is not "just an above average player." Don't let your hate do your thinking for you.

[AirBonner]

Of the last 40 years worth of Finals, Brown ranks only 33rd in scoring because he's clearly just an above average player on a stacked team.

I'd slow down there, guy.
Brown guarded Doncic and had him on skates. Don’t matter what stats you bring up. The people who watched know.

[Jasper]

brown all day every day.

Butler has the better mouth , to jaw people.

That is about it.

[beasted]

Brown guarded Doncic and had him on skates. Don’t matter what stats you bring up. The people who watched know.

The guy on skates averaged 10 more points in basically a 1 man offense and still couldn't be shut down playing on 1 knee. Again, slow down there bucko.

Brown is a basic good player. Not great at all.

[beasted]

In any NBA finals you will have the best team in the NBA playing against arguably the second best team in the NBA. Not always but very often the man that leads the Finals in scoring has a strong contingent of fans that would argue he's the best player in the NBA and that player was legit mvp candidate. That is not "just an above average player." Don't let your hate do your thinking for you.
What idiot on planet Earth is trying to make a case that Jaylen Brown is in the discussion of the best player in the league?

Please point them out so we can laugh.

Throw my opinion into the trash then. Nonetheless, facts are facts though. 33rd out of 40 f-cking years of Finals MVPs. The NBA has only been around for 76. That's over half. If I went back further he's probably still in the bottom 20 percentile. That doesn't peg him as a great player, just a good one.

If I did just Finals scoring and disregarded the MVP, it would make Brown look much worse BTW.

[Neal Romer]

The guy on skates averaged 10 more points in basically a 1 man offense and still couldn't be shut down playing on 1 knee. Again, slow down there bucko.

Brown is a basic good player. Not great at all.

Well he did have a shit ton of turnovers.

Nobody's gonna stop Luka from getting his points. JB did a very admirable job overall of limiting Doncic's efficiency and forcing turnovers.

That said, Luka and the Mavs are a particularly useful matchup for Brown's man to man defense to shine. If they were playing against the Sixers for instance, or any team that either plays through a big man or scores by committee, his individual defense would not have the same value. And I agree that he is a good, not great offensive player.

[Real Men Wear Green]

So Jaylen Brown is going to make allstar teams and getting AllNBA spots and you will just be confused as to the reason why

[Axe]

Of the last 40 years worth of Finals, Brown ranks only 33rd in scoring because he's clearly just an above average player on a stacked team.

I'd slow down there, guy.
It's mostly about impact and who did better in the eye tests.

Some people argued that tatum should have gotten it because his stat-line for the series are higher than what brown had. But it took him some clumsiness or dumb plays for him to get them. Unlike brown who just had more finesse overall. They also usually factor that rt, aside from impact. But both players did well on the defensive end.

[AirBonner]

The guy on skates averaged 10 more points in basically a 1 man offense and still couldn't be shut down playing on 1 knee. Again, slow down there bucko.

Brown is a basic good player. Not great at all.
You know how I know you didn’t watch the game? The fact you don’t know that Luka scored a grand total of 21pts on Jaylen Brown for the entire series when guarded by him.

[beasted]

It's mostly about impact and who did better in the eye tests.

Some people argued that tatum should have gotten it because his stat-line for the series are higher than what brown had. But it took him some clumsiness or dumb plays for him to get them. Unlike brown who just had more finesse overall. They also usually factor that rt, aside from impact. But both players did well on the defensive end.

Brown is a solid player. I clapped back at the poster attempting to suggest that Brown was the catalyst for the Celtics winning the title. That's simply statistically, and empirically untrue.

[beasted]

So Jaylen Brown is going to make allstar teams and getting AllNBA spots and you will just be confused as to the reason why

He's a solid good player. But honestly not much separating him from a Joe Johnson legacy and trajectory. 3 Allstars in 8 years, 1 all nba appearance. It's easy to see him finish his career with maybe 7 Allstars and maybe 2-3 all NBA, and the same view as JJ of a massively overpaid legit allstar non-superstar of his era.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He's a solid good player. But honestly not much separating him from a Joe Johnson legacy and trajectory. 3 Allstars in 8 years, 1 all nba appearance. It's easy to see him finish his career with maybe 7 Allstars and maybe 2-3 all NBA, and the same view as JJ of a massively overpaid legit allstar non-superstar of his era.

Somehow I think the Celtics are happy with him.

[PeroAntic]

lol its still Butler and always will be.

[beasted]

Somehow I think the Celtics are happy with him.

Atlanta was happy with JJ until they weren't.

[Wally450]

Atlanta was happy with JJ until they weren't.

JJ didn't win a championship or a FMVP.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Atlanta was happy with JJ until they weren't.

I mean... winning a championship probably matters to someone.

[Neal Romer]

I think it's close to a tossup, but with an edge to Butler. Butler's a little longer, Brown a little more stout. I trust Butler more in the clutch, but personality wise he's also more of a headache. He's better with the ball in his hands but a more reticent three point shooter.

If you need a "first option" to start the offense, it's definitely Butler, altho I wouldnt call him an elite first option offensively either, but he's closer. If you need a second option to play off the first option, Brown may be the better of the two for that role. At the end of the day, you generally need both of those things. So it's hard to say one matters more than the other.

Overall, yeah, Butler probably is the more valuable of the two objectively. But it's not a huge gap, and there are multiple ways to win. The C's obviously accomplished their goal with Brown. That doesnt make him better than Butler, just means it worked for them.

[beasted]

I mean... winning a championship probably matters to someone.

Do you think the Warriors were happy with Klay the last couple years despite helping them to 4 titles? They certainly weren't happy with Poole after helping them to 1.

When a player's salary vs production vs team's success aren't in alignment, organizations become unhappy and all that matters is what have you done for me lately.

We're talking about Brown winning a title before his extension has even kicked in.

[beasted]

I think it's close to a tossup, but with an edge to Butler. Butler's a little longer, Brown a little more stout. I trust Butler more in the clutch, but personality wise he's also more of a headache. He's better with the ball in his hands but a more reticent three point shooter.

If you need a "first option" to start the offense, it's definitely Butler, altho I wouldnt call him an elite first option offensively either, but he's closer. If you need a second option to play off the first option, Brown may be the better of the two for that role. At the end of the day, you generally need both of those things. So it's hard to say one matters more than the other.

Overall, yeah, Butler probably is the more valuable of the two objectively. But it's not a huge gap, and there are multiple ways to win. The C's obviously accomplished their goal with Brown. That doesnt make him better than Butler, just means it worked for them.

Fair and logical assessment.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Do you think the Warriors were happy with Klay the last couple years despite helping them to 4 titles? They certainly weren't happy with Poole after helping them to 1.

When a player's salary vs production vs team's success aren't in alignment, organizations become unhappy and all that matters is what have you done for me lately.

We're talking about Brown winning a title before his extension has even kicked in. You bring up players that have nothing to do with anything. It's Brown going to get hurt like Thompson? Is he a one dimensional chucker like Poole? Or is he an allstar in his prime that just led the team to a championship? And had helped the team make the conference finals 5 times (and also made our a sixth to be in a lesser role). Jaylen Brown is a crucial part of the Celtics championship formula. You ate talking about team success trying to make an argument against the finals MVP? These just aren't intelligent points.

[beasted]

You bring up players that have nothing to do with anything. It's Brown going to get hurt like Thompson? Is he a one dimensional chucker like Poole? Or is he an allstar in his prime that just led the team to a championship? And had helped the team make the conference finals 5 times (and also made our a sixth to be in a lesser role). Jaylen Brown is a crucial part of the Celtics championship formula. You ate talking about team success trying to make an argument against the finals MVP? These just aren't intelligent points.

You're also projecting future assessments on the cuurent outcome. Compete recency bias.

Everyone who gets married thinks it's going to work out. Plenty of people looking at the couple say it won't, and several people say it will: "Just look at how much they are in love!" Have you ever heard a person say: "This marriage will certainly fail, but I'll enjoy it while it lasts"?

Why is it difficult to rationalize my criticism? It's not hater cynicism either. It's based on stats data and statistics comparing him based on numbers and accolades. He's not proven in any shape or form to be the cream of the crop.

There is a very high chance he is looked at as a toxic contract in a few years.

My biggest problem with your stance is the complete lack of acknowledgement that his contact and impact run a risk to trend negatively. Your homer blinders are essentially saying all along that Jaylen Brown is the litmus for winning player and it's impossible that his value goes awry. That alone should confirm your own bias.

[Real Men Wear Green]

So I'm biased for assuming that a 27 year old star isn't going to magically start playing like crap. Good argument. This was fun and all but your posts are crap.

[beasted]

So I'm biased for assuming that a 27 year old star isn't going to magically start playing like crap. Good argument. This was fun and all but your posts are crap.

So non-perennial Allstars have never fallen off and been considered overpaid in the history of the NBA after getting a gargantuan contract is what you're saying?

There aren't several examples even without catastrophic injury?