NBA.com: Lebron didn't take any contested jumpers in 2019 or 2020 seasons

[trada7029]

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2019 Regular Season

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2020 Regular Season

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2020 Playoffs

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-25-2020/vSfQ3r.gif

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shots-dash/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season


^^^ LeDefer, aka LeSecond Option took 12 contested jumpers for the entire 2019 and 2020 seasons... :yaohappy:... :roll:..

this beta brand was lottery in the West without AD

And the goat can't have sub-par jumpshooting skill and weak pure scoring ability because it doesn't translate over eras (the no-spacing eras had to take contested mid-range to average 30)

[trada7029]

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2010 Wade... 28 PER... 9.2 BPM
2010 Kobe.... 21 PER... 4.4 BPM



LeBron James is the greatest basketball player to ever play this great game created by the late legend James Naismith.

It's interesting to see how much pain and torture that reality seems to afflict upon you. Have you tried antidepressants?


He can't make contested jumpers and infact avoids them, so no - lebron doesn't possess the best skillset and is just a goat-level athlete. This is why most NBA players prefer kobe - kobe's goat jumpshooting skill made him a better bailout guy on possessions (closer) throughout games, which controls momentum in tight games more than anything lebron does.. kobe's great jumpshooting skill played into his closer mentality

Kobe''s jumpshooting skill and on-ball/off-ball ability fit with any teammate or system, which allowed higher team ceiling with less help .. he was 2/3 with a Bosh-level player at 2nd option, while lebron teamed up with Kobe/Pau 2 but went 2/4

[kawhileonard2]

He is probably a top 15 player all time.

[Stanley Kobrick]

don't let lebron james ruin your christmas 3ball. although i do believe this is the 15th straight x-mas game lebron has played on, i bet bran despises it

[trada7029]

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2010 Wade... 28 PER... 9.2 BPM
2010 Kobe.... 21 PER... 4.4 BPM




He is probably a top 15 player all time.

Agreed

He's defaulted to the "dr. j" position in my rankings because the team-hopping and ring-chasing distorted his resume

He was a 1-trick pony before the "decision", with 1 Finals run like Iverson, Dwight and Kidd..

Ultimately, Kobe''s jumpshooting skill and on-ball/off-ball ability fit with any teammate or system, which allowed higher team ceiling with less help .. he was 2/3 with a Bosh-level player at 2nd option, while lebron teamed up with Kobe/Pau II but went 2/4

[light]

You're not supposed to take contested jumpers, mate. They're bad shots.

[trada7029]

You're not supposed to take contested jumpers, mate. They're bad shots.

^^^ in theory, but every team must take some contested jumpers and lebron defers them to teammates, while guys like KD, Harden, Kawhi take 3 to 6 times as many contested jumpers (superior skill, superior players)

[Baller789]

You're not supposed to take contested jumpers, mate. They're bad shots.
Ideally your not.

But you do have to show the ability that you can, specially in tight games, which Mr. 4/10 has obviously not shown. Plus use of PEDS.

Not the GOAT.

[light]

Ideally your not.

But you do have to show the ability that you can, specially in tight games, which Mr. 4/10 has obviously not shown. Plus use of PEDS.

Not the GOAT.

Well here's the thing - LeBron owns games with his jumper, and especially tight games. The issue here is with the parameters of this specific topic - 0-2 feet is a very small space that you can make yourself in front of you with your hands - go ahead and mark out two feet in front of you with your hands... now, on LeBron's fadeaway for example his defender starts out right on top of him, even touching him, but by the time he's given his shimmy shake and completes his turnaround, fade and releases his shot, the separation he's created is greater than 0-2 feet, so you don't see those shots listed in that category.

[Airupthere]

He’s always been watching those statlines and fg% since miami days

[LAmbruh]

can't guard Lebron 0-2 feet when he's got a 18 inch torpedo clotheslining defenders within range


that's the real stiff arm

[dankok8]

This is an era where guys with minimal skills and mad athleticism can wreak havoc on the league. Look at Giannis who is a much worse distance shooter than Lebron and last season he still put up 29.5/13.6/5.6 on 61 %TS in 30 minutes per game! Is Giannis a future GOAT candidate because those stats are just bonkers or is he playing in a very soft easy-to-score era? Something's got to give...

[GrayGoat]

It’s Christmas Eve and 3ball still can’t help himself. Le4th cuts deep

[Baller789]

Well here's the thing - LeBron owns games with his jumper, and especially tight games. The issue here is with the parameters of this specific topic - 0-2 feet is a very small space that you can make yourself in front of you with your hands - go ahead and mark out two feet in front of you with your hands... now, on LeBron's fadeaway for example his defender starts out right on top of him, even touching him, but by the time he's given his shimmy shake and completes his turnaround, fade and releases his shot, the separation he's created is greater than 0-2 feet, so you don't see those shots listed in that category.

Does he have the ability to consistently make contested jumpers or not?

Because all I see here are mental gymnastics. This "seperation" problem isn't an issue with other perimeter greats.

And I'm pretty sure Lebron doesn't have a monopoly on fadeaways.

[Axe]

Op still on his daily meltdown

[EllEffEll]

I would think it would be both smart and desirable to have as few of your shots closely contested as possible.

Fun Fact: There will NEVER, E V E R be consensus on who is the GoAT.

That's because everybody's criteria is uniquely their own, and everybody has their own unique lens through which players are judged.

[Baller789]

Op still on his daily meltdown

It's the same with you whenever you see this guy

https://i.ibb.co/jJmkwyz/giphy-6.gif (https://imgbb.com/)

[scuzzy]

Shaq probably has the most contested buckets all-time by a longshot


You can't guard Lebron tight behind the arc or he'll blow right by and no amount of help defense waiting in the paint stops that full head of steam.


Reciprocating bad shot taking is a trademark of old goats who played vs grocery baggers, but Lebron is goat now and he changed the criteria for goat benchmarks. Having a ballerina contest into a long 2-point shot is not one of them. In todays advanced game of 125+ scoring, that's what we call a low-IQ possession

[Baller789]

Shaq probably has the most contested buckets all-time by a longshot


You can't guard Lebron tight behind the arc or he'll blow right by and no amount of help defense waiting in the paint stops that full head of steam.


Reciprocating bad shot taking is a trademark of old goats who played vs grocery baggers, but Lebron is goat now and he changed the criteria for goat benchmarks. Having a ballerina contest into a long 2-point shot is not one of them. In todays advanced game of 125+ scoring, that's what we call a low-IQ possession

You don't guard Lebron tight because he has no J... Fullstop!

No further analysis needed.

[scuzzy]

You don't guard Lebron tight because he has no J... Fullstop!

No further analysis needed.
Best long range shooter in the league and possibly NBA history. No one more precise outside 35ft.

Unfortunately that doesn't equal success in todays game, it takes teammates out of the game and makes it easier to game plan defense around. Sometimes he'll throw in a few LeF*ck you's for the ladies and high estrogen ballerina fans alike

Guard him tight, guard him loose, doesn't matter. He picks teams apart accordingly on a whim. Chip after Chip after Chip, seen it all done it all. Big Game James

[Baller789]

Best long range shooter in the league and possibly NBA history. No one more precise outside 35ft.

Unfortunately that doesn't equal success in todays game, it takes teammates out of the game and makes it easier to game plan defense around. Sometimes he'll throw in a few LeF*ck you's for the ladies and high estrogen ballerina fans alike

Guard him tight, guard him loose, doesn't matter. He picks teams apart accordingly on a whim. Chip after Chip after Chip, seen it all done it all. Big Game James

Dallas guarded him pretty loose.

What happened?

[Axe]

It's the same with you whenever you see this guy

https://i.ibb.co/jJmkwyz/giphy-6.gif (https://imgbb.com/)
You know you're autistic whenever you always respond to someone you deem a bran stan

[dbugz]

He is probably a top 15 player all time.

i'll give libron the 11th spot though to be fair with him.

[Baller789]

You know you're autistic whenever you always respond to someone you deem a bran stan
You do know your autistic whenever you respond to someone you deem a Jordan stan.

Too e z

:pimp:

[8Ball]

Lebron doesnt take low IQ jordan jumpers.

Thanks for the data 3ball.

Next.

[Baller789]

Lebron doesnt take low IQ jordan jumpers.

Thanks for the data 3ball.

Next.

Like Lebron's low iq pass to Danny Green?

[8Ball]

https://youtu.be/IZ13yupFgqM

Plenty of defenders within 2 feet of LeBron on this video, except its layups :roll:

Jordan stans are used to low PPP, low IQ Kobe chucking and don't understand how a high IQ player can manufacture much better possessions than the lowest IQ possession: contested jumper with defender within 2 feet.

Literally the worst shot in basketball is what Jordan stans are proud of? Why couldn't Jordan manufacture better shots then?

Because Jordan isn't good enough like LeBron to find the open shooter at same frequency as LeBron. :lol

This thread isn't looking good for Jordan. Confirms his #2 ranking, below Bron.

[Baller789]

https://youtu.be/IZ13yupFgqM

Plenty of defenders within 2 feet of LeBron on this video, except its layups :roll:

Jordan stans are used to low PPP, low IQ Kobe chucking and don't understand how a high IQ player can manufacture much better possessions than the lowest IQ possession: contested jumper with defender within 2 feet.

Literally the worst shot in basketball is what Jordan stans are proud of? Why could't Jordan manufacture better shots then?

Because Jordan isn't good enough like LeBron to find the open shooter. :lol

This thread isn't looking good for Jordan. Confirms his #2 ranking, below Bron.

Gee I wonder why Lebron only won 40% of his NBA finals and has 2 bronze medals.

Was his iq not high enough?

[8Ball]

Like Lebron's low iq pass to Danny Green?

Case in point.

Jordan stans like yourself think the lowest PPP shot is the best shot.

Meanwhile intelligent basketball humans think the open 3 pt shooter is the better shot.

You can't make this up. We belong in higher IQ territory. You guys are like neanderthals :roll:

[8Ball]

Gee I wonder why Lebron only won 40% of his NBA finals and has 2 bronze medals.

Was his iq not high enough?

Another low IQ post. But is anyone surprised at this point? Even when you are trolling you do it in low IQ way. Did you even finish college?

:roll:

Bring me more intelligent Jordan stans please. This is too easy.

Next.

[Baller789]

Case in point.

Jordan stans like yourself think the lowest PPP shot is the best shot.

Meanwhile intelligent basketball humans think the open 3 pt shooter is the better shot.

You can't make this up. We belong in higher IQ territory. You guys are like neanderthals :roll:

Surely a high iq player knew that Danny Green couldn't hit the ocean with water that series.

I guess his iq wasn't high enough.

[8Ball]

Surely a high iq player knew that Danny Green couldn't hit the ocean with water that series.

I guess his iq wasn't high enough.

Jordan stan thinks passing to open career 40% 3 pt shooters is low IQ.

:roll::roll::roll:

Dear Lord, how many semesters in college did you survive until they kicked you out for having such low IQ. :oldlol:

Too easy.

[8Ball]

Just looked it up.

Game 1 Danny Green shoots 38% from 3.
Game 2 and 3 he is bad.
Game 4 33% from 3.
Game 5 40% and had shot 50% from 3 before that last shot :roll:
Game 6 43%

From 3 he had 3 good games. 1 ok. And 2 bad.

Holy shit Baller789 you just exposed yourself for having basement rat level IQ about basketball.

Danny Green was shooting 50% from 3 game 5 before that last shot. And passing to DG was low IQ? Hahahahhahahahahahahahahaahahahahahah

[Baller789]

Just looked it up.

Game 1 Danny Green shoots 38% from 3.
Game 2 and 3 he is bad.
Game 4 33% from 3.
Game 5 40% and had shot 50% from 3 before that last shot :roll:
Game 6 43%

From 3 he had 3 good games. 1 ok. And 2 bad.

Holy shit Baller789 you just exposed yourself for having basement rat level IQ about basketball.

Danny Green was shooting 50% from 3 game 5 before that last shot. And passing to DG was low IQ? Hahahahhahahahahahahahahaahahahahahah

I swear you only argue thru spreadsheets. You don't actually watch the games nor understand the flow of the games.:facepalm

Posting what you posted above would get you smacked by Lakers fans for justifying Lebron passing to Danny Green. You even blatantly skipped game 3 which is hilarious.

And before saying he made the right basketball play, he has far too many moments that "he made the right basketball play". His high iq fails to adjust everytime.

And oh yeah Green shot a whopping 29% on 3's that series.

[Gray GOAT]

Like Lebron's low iq pass to Danny Green?

You are trying so hard to make a point but fail miserably every time. Honestly sad to watch.

[Manny98]

Poor superduper spending Christmas alone crying about LeBron :(

[Baller789]

You are trying so hard to make a point but fail miserably every time. Honestly sad to watch.

It's a bad play because he "made the right play".
If you don't understand that you never will.

[Baller789]

Poor superduper spending Christmas alone crying about LeBron :(
I don't know about that, I'm eating Turkey with a bottle of fine wine on the table with folks as we speak.

You on the other hand sir is just talking out of your arse.

:roll:

[TheCorporation]

Jordan stan thinks passing to open career 40% 3 pt shooters is low IQ.

:roll::roll::roll:

Dear Lord, how many semesters in college did you survive until they kicked you out for having such low IQ. :oldlol:

Too easy.

+1 I'm pretty sure he never finished college if he thinks LeBron isn't GOAT level bball I.Q

:lol

Dummies these days

[Baller789]

+1 I'm pretty sure he never finished college if he thinks LeBron isn't GOAT level bball I.Q

:lol

Dummies these days

Oh goody another braindead Lebron stan to play with.

[RRR3]

LeBron doesn’t really take midrange shots anymore unless he has to. 3s and layups, the smart way to play. If OP actually watched basketball he’d know LeBron has taken a ton of contested jumpers in his career but he doesn’t watch basketball

[RRR3]

I don't know about that, I'm eating Turkey with a bottle of fine wine on the table with folks as we speak.

You on the other hand sir is just talking out of your arse.

:roll:
Wait so you ARE superduper?

What happened to your old account?

[SouBeachTalents]

I don't know about that, I'm eating Turkey with a bottle of fine wine on the table with folks as we speak.

You on the other hand sir is just talking out of your arse.

:roll:
You're eating turkey and drinking wine at 9 in the morning :oldlol:

Also, the fact you've been posting nonstop since midnight leads me to believe this entire post is bullshit

[Baller789]

LeBron doesn’t really take midrange shots anymore unless he has to. 3s and layups, the smart way to play. If OP actually watched basketball he’d know LeBron has taken a ton of contested jumpers in his career but he doesn’t watch basketball
Correction, he avoids taking them because that's a weakness in his game.
That's why he also avoided getting fouled because he's afraid of the freethrow line.

And they were only down by 1 :facepalm

[RRR3]

You're eating turkey and drinking wine at 9 in the morning :oldlol:

Also, the fact you've been posting nonstop since midnight leads me to believe this entire post is bullshit
I’m pretty sure the part about drinking wine is true. He needs something to numb the pain LeBron puts him through.

[Baller789]

You're eating turkey and drinking wine at 9 in the morning :oldlol:

Also, the fact you've been posting nonstop since midnight leads me to believe this entire post is bullshit

Gee, your pretty stupid. :lol

To think we're in the same timezone right now :lol

Speaks how truly you like talking out of your arses.

:roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

Gee, your pretty stupid. :lol

To think we're in the same timezone right now :lol

Speaks how truly you like talking out of your arses.

:roll:
The irony :lol

[Baller789]

I’m pretty sure the part about drinking wine is true. He needs something to numb the pain LeBron puts him through.

Lebron cockraches coming out of the woodwork now.
I'm truly amazing.

[Baller789]

The irony :lol

Irony of your irony?

Ok then :lol

[RRR3]

Lebron cockraches coming out of the woodwork now.
I'm truly amazing.
Seriously tho are you superduper? What happened to that account if so?

[Baller789]

Seriously tho are you superduper? What happened to that account if so?

:roll:

Why don't you hire a private investigator to find out.

[RRR3]

:roll:

Why don't you hire a private investigator to find out.
Superduperdumb :facepalm

[Baller789]

Superduperdumb :facepalm

Meltdown

:basketball

[Kings2024Champs]

This isnt the negative you think it is.. merry xmas please dont let bron ruin this for you

[8Ball]

I swear you only argue thru spreadsheets. You don't actually watch the games nor understand the flow of the games.:facepalm

Posting what you posted above would get you smacked by Lakers fans for justifying Lebron passing to Danny Green. You even blatantly skipped game 3 which is hilarious.

And before saying he made the right basketball play, he has far too many moments that "he made the right basketball play". His high iq fails to adjust everytime.

And oh yeah Green shot a whopping 29% on 3's that series.

If you learn how to read you would see I did not skip game 3.

Another low IQ post from you.

1) What average Laker fans think determine what you should think? That's low IQ way to understand basketball.

2) Danny Green shot well 3 out 6 of those games. and ok 1 out of 6, and very bad 2/6. You grouping everything together and determining in your head that the game 5 pass was a low IQ pass is in fact an extremely low IQ thought process from you.

3) Danny Green shot 50% from 3 game 5 before that last shot. That's a high IQ pass to a career 40% shooter.

4) Danny Green was wide open. Not passing to wide open shooters is low IQ.


This is too easy for me. You are digging yourself into more of an embarrassing hole.

[8Ball]

It's actually embarrassingly stupid from you to admit to the public that the game 5 pass was a "low IQ" pass and double down on it.


But this is what happens when you run into higher IQ humans like me.

I play this argument with more chess pieces on the mental board than you do. I checkmate you every single time you want to run into me.

[8Ball]

+1 I'm pretty sure he never finished college if he thinks LeBron isn't GOAT level bball I.Q

:lol

Dummies these days

In college I met people that wanted to learn, had an open mind, tried to have logical thoughts, and knew when they were wrong.

Baller789 shows none of it.

There is no way he finished college.


And saying LeBron has low basketball IQ is probably one of the biggest low IQ statements ever. And he doesn't even know it. :oldlol:

[3ball]

LeBron owns games with his jumper, and especially tight games.





* shot 17% on jumpers in the 07' Finals and lost 2 fourth quarter leads (by comparison, giannis shot 24% on jumpers in the 19' ecf)

* shot 30% on jumpers in the 4th quarter of the 09' ECF, where he lost 3 fourth quarter leads

* Frequently needs to lull defenders to sleep and get open, flat-footed shot (beginner-looking)






The issue here is with the parameters of this specific topic - 0-2 feet is a very small space that you can make yourself in front of you with your hands - go ahead and mark out two feet in front of you with your hands... now, on LeBron's fadeaway for example his defender starts out right on top of him, even touching him, but by the time he's given his shimmy shake and completes his turnaround, fade and releases his shot, the separation he's created is greater than 0-2 feet, so you don't see those shots listed in that category.


Lebron doesn't attempt shots when it's going to be a tough shot - that's the point - he passes when it's going to be close like this (watch Jordan's elbow)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztb3KhRsBQc


^^^ and that's standard shot for MJ, whereas lebron literally never takes that shot unless he'll be more open

[SATAN]

Michael Jordan was a ball hog.

[Baller789]

In college I met people that wanted to learn, had an open mind, tried to have logical thoughts, and knew when they were wrong.

Baller789 shows none of it.

There is no way he finished college.


And saying LeBron has low basketball IQ is probably one of the biggest low IQ statements ever. And he doesn't even know it. :oldlol:

What was Danny Green's finals shooting percentage?

(I actually know what your actually going to respond with because your pretty easy to figure out) :lol

[Baller789]

If you learn how to read you would see I did not skip game 3.

Another low IQ post from you.

1) What average Laker fans think determine what you should think? That's low IQ way to understand basketball.

2) Danny Green shot well 3 out 6 of those games. and ok 1 out of 6, and very bad 2/6. You grouping everything together and determining in your head that the game 5 pass was a low IQ pass is in fact an extremely low IQ thought process from you.

3) Danny Green shot 50% from 3 game 5 before that last shot. That's a high IQ pass to a career 40% shooter.

4) Danny Green was wide open. Not passing to wide open shooters is low IQ.


This is too easy for me. You are digging yourself into more of an embarrassing hole.

Too easy? You literally had to Google all of your arguments.

:roll:

You do did meet people in college mr.... As a janitor :lol

[RRR3]

I’ve literally seen him take 3 contested jumpers today and he made 2 of them. OP doesn’t watch basketball.

[Baller789]

Michael Jordan was a ball hog.

:facepalm

[Baller789]

I’ve literally seen him take 3 contested jumpers today and he made 2 of them. OP doesn’t watch basketball.

Great, conclusions after a small sample size.

:roll:

[RRR3]

Great, conclusions after a small sample size.

:roll:
Yeah it’s not like I’ve been watching LeBron for a decade :rolleyes:

[Baller789]

Yeah it’s not like I’ve been watching LeBron for a decade :rolleyes:

Yea, but you were watching him with Lebron colored sunglasses so your arguments are invalid.

[8Ball]

Too easy? You literally had to Google all of your arguments.

:roll:

You do did meet people in college mr.... As a janitor :lol

Another low IQ post.

I spent 5 mins on google to dismantle your entire argument and you are bragging about it.

So instead of refuting it you need to change the story to how I google'd precise facts to demonstrate how full of shit you are.

[Baller789]

Another low IQ post.

I spent 5 mins on google to dismantle your entire argument and you are bragging about it.

So instead of refuting it you need to change the story to how I google'd precise facts to demonstrate how full of shit you are.

Well what can I say, I learned ducking and dodging from the best (Gayball *cough*)

Now get back to work, them smart college bois need your services.

https://i.ibb.co/1fP4Byx/giphy-downsized-large.gif (https://imgbb.com/)

[RRR3]

Superduperdumb :facepalm

[8Ball]

Well what can I say, I learned ducking and dodging from the best (Gayball *cough*)

Now get back to work, them smart college bois need your services.

https://i.ibb.co/1fP4Byx/giphy-downsized-large.gif (https://imgbb.com/)

Lol I actually laughed at the gif.

[HoopsNY]

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2019 Regular Season

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-25-2020/0pXaJU.gif


2020 Regular Season

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-25-2020/y33l5k.gif


2020 Playoffs

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-25-2020/vSfQ3r.gif

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shots-dash/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season


^^^ LeDefer, aka LeSecond Option took 12 contested jumpers for the entire 2019 and 2020 seasons... :yaohappy:... :roll:..

this beta brand was lottery in the West without AD

And the goat can't have sub-par jumpshooting skill and weak pure scoring ability because it doesn't translate over eras (the no-spacing eras had to take contested mid-range to average 30)

This has to be a mistake. I refuse to believe LeBron didn't take any contested shots above 10 feet.

[3ball]

This has to be a mistake. I refuse to believe LeBron didn't take any contested shots above 10 feet.


Lebron never takes shots like this, and isn't CAPABLE:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-08-2019/ObnNU4.gif


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-13-2015/XUplBD.gif

[8Ball]

LOL?

LeBron can take those bailouts shots all day long when he wants. Except he's better at Jordan at creating more space.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/xTiTntyaJ6C3RMFSCs/source.gif

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/UnluckyLankyCalf-size_restricted.gif

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/ao6Yj-QCptrwVoPKlHfjFH8jHlU=/150x0:1050x675/1200x800/filters:focal(150x0:1050x675):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/55908413/1_zFtZ4TiWYHiUCnngp8H1PA.0.gif

https://www.nba.com/lakers/sites/lakers/files/e782326f-708d-471c-8ce5-51d03e1c09c5.gif

[RRR3]

3ball wants us to believe he is Darius Cook. In which case he shot 55.3% from the line college :roll:

anyways here’s LeBron nailing a contested jumper last night: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/kkakbx/highlight_lebron_knocks_down_the_beautiful/

[8Ball]

It's not LeBron's fault he can create more space for a jump shot than Jordan.

That's called being a better basketball player.

[3ball]

LOL?

LeBron can take those bailouts shots all day long when he wants:

https://media4.giphy.com/media/xTiTntyaJ6C3RMFSCs/source.gif

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/UnluckyLankyCalf-size_restricted.gif

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/ao6Yj-QCptrwVoPKlHfjFH8jHlU=/150x0:1050x675/1200x800/filters:focal(150x0:1050x675):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/55908413/1_zFtZ4TiWYHiUCnngp8H1PA.0.gif


The defender isn't within 2 feet on those shots

He didn't take any jumpers where the defender was within 2 feet..

edit: he took 12 for the entire 19' and 20' seasons - so maybe you found 1 of those in your gifs above, maybe not...

But the stats are what they are - lebron doesn't take contested jumpers (defers to teammates), while KD, Kawhi and Harden take tough shots (don't defer)

[3ball]

It's not LeBron's fault he can create more space for a jump shot than Jordan.

That's called being a better basketball player.

Jordan created space better than anyone in history and hit contested jumpers better than anyone not named Kobe Bean

[8Ball]

And on and on and on. Jimmy Butler is 100% within 2 feet of LeBron. Easy money.

Whatever Jordan does, LeBron can do. Except Jordan doesn't have basketball IQ to match LeBron's passing.

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https://media2.giphy.com/media/3o85xlajBaeXtvNIw8/giphy.gif

[97 bulls]

This is an era where guys with minimal skills and mad athleticism can wreak havoc on the league. Look at Giannis who is a much worse distance shooter than Lebron and last season he still put up 29.5/13.6/5.6 on 61 %TS in 30 minutes per game! Is Giannis a future GOAT candidate because those stats are just bonkers or is he playing in a very soft easy-to-score era? Something's got to give...

I've been saying this for the longest!!!!!! This never gets acknowledged. Theres no way Giannis would score 20 in the 90s. Harold Miner would be a beast in todays game.

[8Ball]

The defender isn't within 2 feet on those shots

He didn't take any jumpers where the defender was within 2 feet..

edit: he took 12 for the entire 19' and 20' seasons - so maybe you found 1 of those in your gifs above, maybe not...

But the stats are what they are - lebron doesn't take contested jumpers (defers to teammates), while KD, Kawhi and Harden take tough shots (don't defer)

LeBron creates more space for a better shot.

Too bad Jordan couldn't.

Next argument. This one is done.

[8Ball]

The defender isn't within 2 feet on those shots

He didn't take any jumpers where the defender was within 2 feet..

edit: he took 12 for the entire 19' and 20' seasons - so maybe you found 1 of those in your gifs above, maybe not...

But the stats are what they are - lebron doesn't take contested jumpers (defers to teammates), while KD, Kawhi and Harden take tough shots (don't defer)

LOL? Blind as a bat on top of being a forum retard.

Iguodala and Butler easily within 2 feet. Most other jumpers LeBron creates more space than Jordan could.

https://assets-cms.thescore.com/uploads/image/file/116446/cropped_iggyLBJpost.gif?ts=1433515083

https://media2.giphy.com/media/3o85xlajBaeXtvNIw8/giphy.gif

https://media4.giphy.com/media/xTiTntyaJ6C3RMFSCs/source.gif

https://cdn.lowgif.com/small/36c024e3e52110a0-lebron-james-drills-fadeaway-game-winner-three-against-golden-state.gif

LeBron elite foot work creating more than 2 feet gap for a better shot.

https://www.nba.com/lakers/sites/lakers/files/e782326f-708d-471c-8ce5-51d03e1c09c5.gif

[97 bulls]

LeBron creates more space for a better shot.

Too bad Jordan couldn't.

Next argument. This one is done.

I agree. So James HAS to go looking for a defender to shoot in front of? That's just silly.

[3ball]

And on and on and on. Jimmy Butler is 100% within 2 feet of LeBron. Easy money.

Whatever Jordan does, LeBron can do. Except Jordan doesn't have basketball IQ to match LeBron's passing.

https://assets-cms.thescore.com/uploads/image/file/116446/cropped_iggyLBJpost.gif?ts=1433515083

https://media2.giphy.com/media/3o85xlajBaeXtvNIw8/giphy.gif


^^^ The first shot was a horrifically clumsy brick

And the 2nd shot was open


Lebron simply can't take shots like this (below)


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-19-2019/NinG43.gif


^^^ that would've worked vs Curry in Game 1 of 18' Finals... But lebron isn't capable, so he passed to a 6'1" shrimp to finish amongst the trees.. lol... Low IQ basketball in the clutch

[RRR3]

^^^ The first shot was a horrifically clumsy brick

And the 2nd shot was open


Lebron simply can't take shots like this (below)


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-19-2019/NinG43.gif


^^^ that would've worked vs Curry in Game 1 of 18' Finals... But lebron isn't capable, so he passed to a 6'1" shrimp to finish amongst the trees.. lol... Low IQ basketball in the clutch
How come you only scored four points in your college career?

[8Ball]

https://wp.usatodaysports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2014/03/lebron2.gif

It never ends. LeBron is ELITE at taking contested jumpers.

But these are bailout level shots. LeBron smart enough to actually run a high IQ offense rather than resorting to contested Melo jumpers. :applause:

[3ball]

https://wp.usatodaysports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2014/03/lebron2.gif

It never ends. LeBron is ELITE at taking contested jumpers.

But these are bailout level shots. LeBron smart enough to actually run a high IQ offense rather than resorting to contested Melo jumpers. :applause:

According to nba.com, Lebron literally never took any contested shots and avoids them

Edit: he took 12 contested jumpers in the 19' and 20' seasons

So he's just a big athlete and not skilled at basketball like say, kobe or KD

[RRR3]

According to nba.com, Lebron literally never took any contested shots and avoids them

Edit: he took 12 contested jumpers in the 19' and 20' seasons

So he's just a big athlete and not skilled at basketball like say, kobe or KD
How come you weren’t skilled enough to score more than 4 points in college?

[8Ball]

According to nba.com, Lebron literally never took any contested shots and avoids them

Edit: he took 12 contested jumpers in the 19' and 20' seasons

So he's just a big athlete and not skilled at basketball like say, kobe or KD

https://wp.usatodaysports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2014/03/lebron2.gif

https://media2.giphy.com/media/3o85xlajBaeXtvNIw8/giphy.gif

https://www.nba.com/lakers/sites/lakers/files/e782326f-708d-471c-8ce5-51d03e1c09c5.gif

https://cdn.lowgif.com/small/36c024e3e52110a0-lebron-james-drills-fadeaway-game-winner-three-against-golden-state.gif

https://giphy.com/gifs/nba-lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-nba-finals-xTiTntyaJ6C3RMFSCs

[8Ball]

Looks like he is only 1 feet away from defender's hands. If this was Jordan, who is shorter, smaller, there wouldn't be as much distance.

LeBron > Jordan at creating space.

Another thread that shows 3ball doesn't actually watch basketball games.

https://i.ibb.co/HT3nwgj/Screen-Shot-2020-12-26-at-12-24-59-PM.png

[ralph_i_el]

Why would you want to take a J with someone within two feet of you? It's almost never a good shot.

This is like criticizing Barry Bonds for not swinging at more balls.

With the way LeBron is defended (playing him to drive), he should be able to get separation for a J whenever he wants.

[ralph_i_el]

Looks like he is only 1 feet away from defender.

Another thread that shows 3ball doesn't actually watch basketball games.

https://i.ibb.co/HT3nwgj/Screen-Shot-2020-12-26-at-12-24-59-PM.png

They actually measure from the tip of each player's dickhead.

[8Ball]

My point is, LeBron starts many jump shots within 1 feet of the other player.

By the time the shot gets off, LeBron has created a lot more distance to get a better shot.

[InnerZen]

I think it's pretty well known that Bron is only successful when he has a superstar scorer on his team that can take all of the defensive heat.

[ralph_i_el]

I think it's pretty well known that Bron is only successful when he has a superstar scorer on his team that can take all of the defensive heat.

Ok 3ball

[8Ball]

Another death sentence to this thread.

All game 5 2016 shots that are contested within 2 feet:

https://i.ibb.co/SsZCnzq/Screen-Shot-2020-12-26-at-12-43-11-PM.png

https://i.ibb.co/fkr7JsP/Screen-Shot-2020-12-26-at-12-44-04-PM.png

https://i.ibb.co/kS9V007/Screen-Shot-2020-12-26-at-12-41-00-PM.png

[Swishers]

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[3ball]

My point is, LeBron starts many jump shots within 1 feet of the other player.

By the time the shot gets off, LeBron has created a lot more distance to get a better shot.

He can't always do that though (create space)

And when lebron can't create space, he can't shoot

Let that sink in

Now compare that to MJ/Kobe without space.. no f**king problem - fans like when they can't create space because we know they'll make one of their patented sick shots

[RRR3]

He can't always do that though (create space)

And when lebron can't create space, he can't shoot

Let that sink in

Now compare that to MJ/Kobe without space.. no f**king problem - fans like when they can't create space because we know they'll make one of their patented sick shots
Meltdown.

[KennyPowers]

Lebron James is an overatted basketball player.

[3ball]

Meltdown.

Just pointing out the fact that lebron needs to create space to shoot jumpers, and MJ/Kobe didn't

You, otoh, are jealous of big tall dudes. How tall are you if you don't mind me asking

[RRR3]

Just pointing out the fact that lebron needs to create space to shoot jumpers, and MJ/Kobe didn't

You, otoh, are jealous of big tall dudes. How tall are you if you don't mind me asking
6 feet. Jealous of what? :oldlol: You’ve been exposed as a liar.

[Bronbron23]

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2019 Regular Season

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-25-2020/0pXaJU.gif


2020 Regular Season

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-25-2020/y33l5k.gif


2020 Playoffs

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-25-2020/vSfQ3r.gif

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shots-dash/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season


^^^ LeDefer, aka LeSecond Option took 12 contested jumpers for the entire 2019 and 2020 seasons... :yaohappy:... :roll:..

this beta brand was lottery in the West without AD

And the goat can't have sub-par jumpshooting skill and weak pure scoring ability because it doesn't translate over eras (the no-spacing eras had to take contested mid-range to average 30)

Its obviously not a strength of his so why would he? One of the reasons why bron is so great and efficient is he picks his spots and plays to his strengths.

[3ball]

6 feet.





6 feet?.. or 5'10" and a half... you can be honest





Jealous of what?



Physical superiority





:oldlol: You’ve been exposed as a liar.



Have I?

Or have you been exposed as completely shook.....

I think you got shook when I posted the gifs of me in flip-flops and I looked different than what you wanted to believe

[RRR3]

6 feet?.. or 5'10" and a half... you can be honest



Physical superiority



Have I?

Or have you been exposed as completely shook.....

I think you got shook when I posted the gifs of me in flip-flops and I looked different than what you wanted to believe
Why would I lie about being 6 feet? You’re probably 5’3. And yes you have been exposed as a liar because you said were the third best player at FIU when you never even went there.

[KennyPowers]

Why would I lie about being 6 feet? You’re probably 5’3. And yes you have been exposed as a liar because you said were the third best player at FIU when you never even went there.

The same reason you have multiple accounts.


Also you are small.

[3ball]

Its obviously not a strength of his so why would he? One of the reasons why bron is so great and efficient is he picks his spots and plays to his strengths.

SKILL ASPECT - Lebron must create space for jumpers, while MJ/Kobe didn't.. They had better jumpshooting efficiency on twice the jumpshooting volume despite frequently NOT creating material space

TEAM OFFENSE AND TEAM CEILING ASPECT - lebron's lack of jumpshooting repertoire and shooting touch prevents him from producing at max capacity off-the-ball, which hurts the team's offensive strategic options, brand of ball and ultimately, team ceiling (4/10)

[GrayGoat]

LeBron just won the title. MJ hasn’t won a title for 23 years. LeBron > MJ

[G0ATbe]

So basically he's better at creating space than MJ?

[3ball]

So basically he's better at creating space than MJ?

Jordan is better at creating space but he can still shoot without space - he doesn't have to pass when he can't create space, whereas lebron does.. LeCan'tShoot

[Gus Hemmingway]

Jordan is better at creating space but he can still shoot without space - he doesn't have to pass when he can't create space, whereas lebron does.. LeCan'tShoot

So why does LeBron shoot a higher FG% than MJ in the regular season, playoffs, and Finals.

[SATAN]

So basically he's better at creating space than MJ?

Better at everything except fancy layups and hogging the ball.

[Bronbron23]

SKILL ASPECT - Lebron must create space for jumpers, while MJ/Kobe didn't.. They had better jumpshooting efficiency on twice the jumpshooting volume despite frequently NOT creating material space

TEAM OFFENSE AND TEAM CEILING ASPECT - lebron's lack of jumpshooting repertoire and shooting touch prevents him from producing at max capacity off-the-ball, which hurts the team's offensive strategic options, brand of ball and ultimately, team ceiling (4/10)

I don’t really argue any of that. Mj is obviously a much better jump shooter and off ball mover. And yes it is one of the advantages he has over bron. Bron has things he does better than mj to though.

[3ball]

I don’t really argue any of that.





If you agree that Jordan is better at team ceiling, then his skills are best




I don’t really argue any of that. Mj is obviously a much better jump shooter and off ball mover. And yes it is one of the advantages he has over bron. Bron has things he does better than mj to though.


Jordan's peak passing performance was the 91' Finals and his 24 games at PG in 89' - both matched or exceeded lebron's best passing.

The media said MJ was a better PG than Magic and Isiah after just a dozen games at the position in 89' (jordan averaged 30/9/11 over 24 games).. So his ball-dominant/high-dribble passing matched Lebron, and he's the only player that averaged 10+ assists in a series without playing point guard (91' Finals), so he's a superior low-dribble passer than lebron as well.

So I don't buy the idea that lebron passes better when Jordan demonstrated equal passing as a high-dribble or low-dribble player.. He simply chose to play off-the-ball (assist target), which facilitated more TEAM assists and thus better offenses with less offensive help..

in short, personal APG is a relatively unimportant stat - team apg is the important stat and how a player affects team apg.. 5-7 apg is infact optimal for individuals and allows the highest team ceilings/Finals records






. Bron has things he does better than mj to though.





We know that jordan's skills (off-ball shooting, highly-assisted player) are more important because they result in greater TEAM assists and team offense

Lebron gets assists for himself but fields low-assist teams because he doesn't generate assists for teammates - he dominates the ball and therefore isn't an assist TARGET or facilitator of ball movement (low-assisted player)

Otoh, Jordan averaged nearly the same assists as Lebron (1-2 less), while generating more team assists by being an assist target (playing off-ball a fair amount/highly-assisted player)..

So Jordan averaged nearly the same assists as lebron, while generating assists for teammates, higher team assists, and better team offense/strategy (ball movement)

[Bronbron23]

Jordan's peak passing performance was the 91' Finals and his 24 games at PG in 89' - both matched or exceeded lebron's best passing.

The media said MJ was a better PG than Magic and Isiah after just a dozen games at the position in 89' (jordan averaged 30/9/11 over 24 games).. So his ball-dominant/high-dribble passing matched Lebron, and he's the only player that averaged 10+ assists in a series without playing point guard (91' Finals), so he's a superior low-dribble passer than lebron as well.

So I don't buy the idea that lebron passes better when Jordan demonstrated equal passing as a high-dribble or low-dribble player.. He simply chose to play off-the-ball (assist target), which facilitated more TEAM assists and thus better offenses with less offensive help..

Lebron gets assists for himself but fields low-assist teams because he doesn't generate assists for teammates - he dominates the ball and therefore isn't an assist TARGET or facilitator of ball movement (low-assisted player)

Otoh, Jordan averaged nearly the same assists as Lebron (1-2 less), while generating more team assists by being an assist target (playing off-ball a fair amount/highly-assisted player)

being a ball-dominant passer is infact a DRAWBACK compared to guys like Bird and Jordan because it doesn't allow the best strategy (ball-movement) or the most team assists... Jordan averaged only 1-2 less assists but generated assists for teammates too, so he is the better assist man and team offense guy (goat team offenses).. in short, personal APG is a relatively unimportant stat - team apg is the important stat and how a player affects team apg

Your using a one series example compared to their whole careers. There's really no argument for mj being a better or equal passer passer. Even if you wanna argue that skill wise they're equal in passing bron is definitely the more willing passer.

That said I agree with your ball dominanting point. It's way more impressive getting stats within a team system that emphasis on and off ball movement compared to a ball dominating system. This is something most bron stans don't comprehend. Anybody can have crazy assists numbers in a ball dominant role. Just look at westbrook who isn't an elite passer. Not everyone can with this way though in fact most people can't. So while bron has definitely forgone a couple rings for ball dominance and stats he still has 4 rings which is pretty impressive. He'll most likely crush every total record there is also so if he can get another ring or 2, that with his stats will give him a very good argument at goat. Like it or not.

[3ball]

he still has 4 rings which is pretty impressive.





Why does everyone excuse his blatant ring-chasing/team-hopping, and give him complete credit for his rings?

I understand that good teams win championships, but having pippen wasn't stacking the deck, whereas lebron stacked the deck by forming a super-team in a conference that 1-star teams were routinely winning - the bulls were big underdogs entering the 91' season, whereas the heat were expected to win "not 6, not 7" because lebron formed the only team with 3 perennial all-stars ("big 3")

Then once the league returned to a 2-star format in 2020, he teamed up with a player that exceeds Kareem stats.

How many titles would MJ have if he teamed up with Drexler/McHale.... and then Payton/Kemp.... and then Duncan in 98'?... That's what lebron did...

Heck, a guy like CP3 or Dirk would have 3-peat juggernauts with Wade/Bosh... So lebron's team-hopping was unprecedented and distorts his resume.. he was a 1-trick pony before the "decision", with 1 Finals run like Iverson, Dwight and Kidd





he still has 4 rings which is pretty impressive.





pre-kobe Pau........ 1x all-star... no all-nba...
pre-lebron Bosh.... 6x all-star... 1x all-nba

2010 Wade.... 28 PER... 9.2 BPM
2010 Kobe..... 21 PER... 4.4 BPM


If Lebron was added to the 2010 Lakers and then went 2/4 (including the goat choke and record loss), would that be impressive?

That's exactly what happened - he joined a player superior to 2010 Kobe (Wade) and a player superior to pre-kobe Pau (Bosh), but went 2/4

[InnerZen]

No wonder the eye test doesnt ever reflect his stats... makes a whole lot of sense tbh.

[Bronbron23]

Why does everyone excuse his blatant ring-chasing/team-hopping, and give him complete credit for his rings?

I understand that good teams win championships, but having pippen wasn't stacking the deck, whereas lebron stacked the deck by forming a super-team in a conference that 1-star teams were routinely winning - the bulls were big underdogs entering the 91' season, whereas the heat were expected to win "not 6, not 7" because lebron formed the only team with 3 perennial all-stars ("big 3")

Then once the league returned to a 2-star format in 2020, he teamed up with a player that exceeds Kareem stats.

How many titles would MJ have if he teamed up with Drexler/McHale.... and then Payton/Kemp.... and then Duncan in 98'?... That's what lebron did...

Heck, a guy like CP3 or Dirk would have 3-peat juggernauts with Wade/Bosh... So lebron's team-hopping was unprecedented and distorts his resume.. he was a 1-trick pony before the "decision", with 1 Finals run like Iverson, Dwight and Kidd





pre-kobe Pau........ 1x all-star... no all-nba...
pre-lebron Bosh.... 6x all-star... 1x all-nba

2010 Wade.... 28 PER... 9.2 BPM
2010 Kobe..... 21 PER... 4.4 BPM


If Lebron was added to the 2010 Lakers and then went 2/4 (including the goat choke and record loss), would that be impressive?

That's exactly what happened - he joined a player superior to 2010 Kobe (Wade) and a player superior to pre-kobe Pau (Bosh), but went 2/4

I dont really care that he took it on himself to create a "superteam" what's it matter if it's the player or gm that form's the superteam? Mj didn't have to go that route because his organization put great players around him. If bron had a Pippen maybe he would of stayed in Cleveland.

I dont give bron credit like some for jumping ship multiple times and forming superteams but i don't penalize him for it either.

[RRR3]

Stop spamming already, snivelball.

[3ball]

Stop spamming already, snivelball.

I'm responding to Bronbron23 and had to re-post the response (below)

Apparently, bronbron doesn't realize that the 06-10' Cavs had better help on both sides of the ball than the 89' and 90' bulls, yet Jordan elevated his weaker cast further in the playoffs

the 89' bulls upset the #1 SRS Cavs and their 3 all-stars, while Lebron lost to Dwight's 1-star Magic as a historic favorite... in 90', Jordan took the champs 7 games (better than lebron losing to the 1-star Magic)

[3ball]

:facepalm:

[3ball]

.

If bron had a Pippen maybe he would of stayed in Cleveland.





A 1-star underdog won the 2011 title, so that's a title lebron left on the table by team-hopping.. it was perfect karma that Dirk destroyed lebron by doing what lebron thought was impossible (win with a 1-star team)

It's sad because lebron would've been a massive favorite in 2011 as the league favorite for 3 years running - those Cavs would've added a 3rd all-star-caliber teammate like they did in 09' and 10'..... and most importantly, they possessed the organic experience/teamwork needed to beat the underdog Mavs




.

If bron had a Pippen maybe he would of stayed in Cleveland.





Jordan had to grow pippen from an 8 ppg rookie to a 22/7/5 peak player

Otoh, lebron was gifted a 22/6/5 first-team defender in 2006, but reduced him like all the spotty-shooting ball-handlers (pippen's) that he played with (Hughes, Ingram, Rose, Crowder)

Lebron also entered the league with the East all-star center on his team, but missed the 04' and 05' Playoffs - he needed to add the aforementioned pippen-stats player and the future COY (top 5 defense) to make it in 06'...




.

If bron had a Pippen maybe he would of stayed in Cleveland.





09' Mo Will... 17.2 PER... 2.3 BPM... 3.1 VORP... 0.165 WS/48.... #3 team defense
90' Pippen.... 16.3 PER... 1.8 BPM... 3.0 VORP... 0.087 WS/48.. #19 team defense

09' Mo Will... 17.8.. 3.4.. 4.1.. 59% ts... 115 ortg... 23.4 usage
90' Pippen.... 16.5.. 6.7.. 5.4.. 53% ts... 103 ortg... 21.0 usage


^^^ 09' lebron had greater help on both sides of the ball than 89' and 90' Jordan, yet Jordan elevated his weaker cast further in the playoffs:

the 89' bulls upset the #1 SRS Cavs and their 3 all-stars, while Lebron lost to Dwight's 1-star Magic as a historic favorite - see a quick summary of jordan's historic upset here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nFK_q4swYNs).. in 90', Jordan took the champs 7 games (better than lebron losing to the 1-star Magic)






I dont give bron credit like some for jumping ship multiple times and forming superteams but i don't penalize him for it either.





2009 Cavs..... #1 SRS..... #3 defense... 18 on 38% from Mo... lost to #4 SRS Magic (2 all-stars)
1989 Bulls... #10 SRS... #11 defense... 15 on 40% from Pip... beat. #1 SRS Cavs (3 all-stars)*

* plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper


^^^ So the 89' Bulls upset a better opponent (3 all-stars, #1 SRS, +800 preseason odds, #2 defense) than lebron faced in 09' ECF or ever beat in the East

Since the 89/90 Bulls already beat better opponents (89' Cavs and nearly the 90' Pistons) they likely beat the Magic as a big favorite in 09', or the #6 SRS Pistons as a small dog in 07'.

Of course, the 1-star teams that won the East in 01', 02', 03', 07', and 09' would have no chance in the 80's East, which required a super-team with many HOF's to win it.

[3ball]

If bron had a Pippen maybe he would of stayed in Cleveland.





Pippen = Kemp and Payton?

Pippen = Drexler and McHale?

Lebron teamed up with 2 stars.. he stacked the deck






If bron had a Pippen maybe he would of stayed in Cleveland.





Twice Lebron landed on teams favored to win the title in Year 1 of existence (11, 15') - that's the easiest path possible and obviously easier than building favorite status over many years

lebron's collusions are immediate favorites by sheer talent, while Jordan had to build chemistry and develop young players to achieve favorite status

So it's a robbery of legacy that lebron is put on jordan's level despite this far easier path and video game-like collusions






If bron had a Pippen maybe he would of stayed in Cleveland.





09' Mo Williams > 90' Pippen based on PER, BPM, VORP, and WS/48

And the 09' Cavs had the #3 defense compared to #19 defense for the Bulls

So lebron had greater help on both sides of the ball than 89' and 90' Jordan, yet Jordan elevated his weaker cast further in the playoffs.

the 89' bulls upset the #1 SRS Cavs and their 3 all-stars, while Lebron lost to Dwight's 1-star Magic as a historic favorite.. in 1990, Jordan took the champs 7 games (better than lebron losing to the 1-star Magic)





If bron had a Pippen maybe he would of stayed in Cleveland.





Jordan had to grow pippen from an 8 ppg rookie to a 22/7/5 peak player

Otoh, lebron was gifted a 22/6/5 first-team defender in 2006, but reduced him like all the spotty-shooting ball-handlers (pippen's) that he played with (Hughes, Ingram, Rose, Crowder)

Lebron also entered the league with the East all-star center on his team, but missed the 04' and 05' Playoffs - he needed to add the aforementioned pippen-stats player and the future COY (top 5 defense) to make it in 06'...






If bron had a Pippen maybe he would of stayed in Cleveland.




A 1-star underdog won the 2011 title, so that's a title lebron left on the table by team-hopping.. it was perfect karma that Dirk destroyed lebron by doing what lebron thought was impossible (win with a 1-star team)

It's sad because lebron would've been a massive favorite in 2011 as the league favorite for 3 years running - those Cavs would've added a 3rd all-star-caliber teammate like they did in 09' and 10'..... and most importantly, they possessed the organic experience/teamwork needed to beat the underdog Mavs

[Bronbron23]

Pippen = Kemp and Payton?

Pippen = Drexler and McHale?

Lebron teamed up with 2 stars.. he stacked the deck






Twice Lebron landed on teams favored to win the title in Year 1 of existence (11, 15') - that's the easiest path possible and obviously easier than building favorite status over many years

lebron's collusions are immediate favorites by sheer talent, while Jordan had to build chemistry and develop young players to achieve favorite status

So it's a robbery of legacy that lebron is put on jordan's level despite this far easier path and video game-like collusions






09' Mo Williams > 90' Pippen based on PER, BPM, VORP, and WS/48

And the 09' Cavs had the #3 defense compared to #19 defense for the Bulls

So lebron had greater help on both sides of the ball than 89' and 90' Jordan, yet Jordan elevated his weaker cast further in the playoffs.

the 89' bulls upset the #1 SRS Cavs and their 3 all-stars, while Lebron lost to Dwight's 1-star Magic as a historic favorite.. in 1990, Jordan took the champs 7 games (better than lebron losing to the 1-star Magic)





Jordan had to grow pippen from an 8 ppg rookie to a 22/7/5 peak player

Otoh, lebron was gifted a 22/6/5 first-team defender in 2006, but reduced him like all the spotty-shooting ball-handlers (pippen's) that he played with (Hughes, Ingram, Rose, Crowder)

Lebron also entered the league with the East all-star center on his team, but missed the 04' and 05' Playoffs - he needed to add the aforementioned pippen-stats player and the future COY (top 5 defense) to make it in 06'...





A 1-star underdog won the 2011 title, so that's a title lebron left on the table by team-hopping.. it was perfect karma that Dirk destroyed lebron by doing what lebron thought was impossible (win with a 1-star team)

It's sad because lebron would've been a massive favorite in 2011 as the league favorite for 3 years running - those Cavs would've added a 3rd all-star-caliber teammate like they did in 09' and 10'..... and most importantly, they possessed the organic experience/teamwork needed to beat the underdog Mavs

Yes mj only had one star and bron went and got 2 but it was different era's. Mj played in an era where most teams only had 1 star. Bron was in an era where some teams had 3. Celtics changed the game when the formed their big three. Bron was just trying to keep up. People act like bron started it but boston was the one that set it off.

And i don't know why your comparing mo williams to pip. It's not even close. All stats aren't equal and pips biggest asset is his defense so those numbers are meaningless. Pip led a team to 50 plus wins and a playoff run. No way mo Williams comes anywhere close to doing that or anyone else on that cavs team for that matter.

You know your mj shit i'll give you that but you lose all credibility with your takes on pip.

[Baller789]

I have the impression that Lebron would have jumped shipped from the 98 Bulls once Pippen showed signs of wear and tear and Rodman getting old.

He did it with Miami and Cleveland.

[And1AllDay]

NBA.com: Lebron didn't take any bad shots in 2019 or 2020 seasons


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[Baller789]

NBA.com: Lebron didn't take any bad shots in 2019 or 2020 seasons


https://media.giphy.com/media/pCO5tKdP22RC8/giphy.gif

Did the stats also say he didn't play any defence?

[Bronbron23]

NBA.com: Lebron didn't take any bad shots in 2019 or 2020 seasons


https://media.giphy.com/media/pCO5tKdP22RC8/giphy.gif

Yeah kind of my point. For mj mid ranges with defenders in his space were good looks. For bron not so much. He dosn't have the mid range bag like mj to pull it off consistently and efficiently. So instead of taking tough mids he picks his spots and waits for shots he's more comfortable with.

It's why bron is more efficient but it's also why bron isn't a great volume shooter. He's not comfortable going out and forcing shots. he spoke on this in 2015 finals and we saw the result of it. His efficiency dropped dramatically from what it usually is.

[Baller789]

Yeah kind of my point. For mj mid ranges with defenders in his space were good looks. For bron not so much. He dosn't have the mid range bag like mj to pull it off consistently and efficiently. So instead of taking tough mids he picks his spots and waits for shots he's more comfortable with.

It's why bron is more efficient but it's also why bron isn't a great volume shooter. He's not comfortable going out and forcing shots. he spoke on this in 2015 finals and we saw the result of it. His efficiency dropped dramatically from what it usually is.
A huge hole in his game. Among others.

[Bronbron23]

A huge hole in his game. Among others.

Wouldn't say it's a huge hole. He does other things that impacts the game almost as much. Plus his philosophy is that the attention he draws will lead to someone being open which in his opinion is a better option than a forced shot. In his case he's probably not wrong. In someone like mj's case it's maybe better for him to force a look at times.

[Baller789]

Wouldn't say it's a huge hole. He does other things that impacts the game almost as much. Plus his philosophy is that the attention he draws will lead to someone being open which in his opinion is a better option than a forced shot. In his case he's probably not wrong. In someone like mj's case it's maybe better for him to force a look at times.

It is a huge hole. That's why he has no confidence in his jumpshot when games are tight. It's the same with his FT shooting. Would be different if he has a consistent J. He is limited in that respect.

[light]

It is a huge hole. That's why he has no confidence in his jumpshot when games are tight. It's the same with his FT shooting. Would be different if he has a consistent J. He is limited in that respect.

LeBron wins games with his jump shot all the time. He's won more games with his jump shot literally more than anyone else playing.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/fadeaway.gif

Some of the best playoff performances in NBA history were authored by LeBron's jump shot.

Game 6 vs Boston was jumper after jumper. Game 7 vs San Antonio was literally jumper after jumper after jumper after jumper including the game winner.

https://wp.usatodaysports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2013/06/lebron31.gif

https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o85xlajBaeXtvNIw8/giphy.gif

https://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3621433/kingjames.gif

Look at this - it's a 2 point game - but he ends the Warriors with a 3:

https://d13csqd2kn0ewr.cloudfront.net/uploads/image/file/32190/cropped_james_winner.gif?ts=1392271223

I can go on forever posting these game winning / clutch dagger jumper gifs but there's a 5 gif limit.

LeBron's jumper is so deadly it has ended eras of other franchises.

[Baller789]

LeBron wins games with his jump shot all the time. He's won more games with his jump shot literally more than anyone else playing.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/fadeaway.gif

Some of the best playoff performances in NBA history were authored by LeBron's jump shot.

Game 6 vs Boston was jumper after jumper. Game 7 vs San Antonio was literally jumper after jumper after jumper after jumper including the game winner.

https://wp.usatodaysports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2013/06/lebron31.gif

https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o85xlajBaeXtvNIw8/giphy.gif

https://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3621433/kingjames.gif

Look at this - it's a 2 point game - but he ends the Warriors with a 3:

https://d13csqd2kn0ewr.cloudfront.net/uploads/image/file/32190/cropped_james_winner.gif?ts=1392271223

I can go on forever posting these game winning / clutch dagger jumper gifs but there's a 5 gif limit.

LeBron's jumper is so deadly it has ended eras of other franchises.

Go on then...

[light]

Go on then...

Scottie Pippen was in the front row to watch this playoff dagger and the next day he went on the radio and declared LeBron the GOAT:

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Another day at the office:

https://s8.gifyu.com/images/lebron-winner-celtics.gif

The Classic:

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Another playoff game winning buzzer beater from King James:

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And ANOTHER playoff game winning buzzer beater:

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/LeBron-Pacers-Buzzer.gif

Playoff Game Winning Buzzer Beaters:

LeBron - 5 (most in history)
Jordan - 3

To be continued...

[TheGoatest]

Holy crap, those gifs are ETHERING the LeBron haters.

[light]

Go on then...

That mofo King James is still at it in Los Angeles:

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/still-at-it.gif

Making clutch jumpers is what he does:

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/lebron-magic-2009.gif

“This is Jordanesque!” 1:

https://s8.gifyu.com/images/jordanesque-one.gif

“This is Jordanesque!” 2:

https://s8.gifyu.com/images/jordanesque-two.gif

And another one:

https://media4.giphy.com/media/l3q2y2764DUQIKNRm/giphy.gif

To be continued...

[Baller789]

That mofo King James is still at it in Los Angeles:

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/still-at-it.gif

Making clutch jumpers is what he does:

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/lebron-magic-2009.gif

“This is Jordanesque!” 1:

https://s8.gifyu.com/images/jordanesque-one.gif

“This is Jordanesque!” 2:

https://s8.gifyu.com/images/jordanesque-two.gif

And another one:

https://media4.giphy.com/media/l3q2y2764DUQIKNRm/giphy.gif

To be continued...

And? Go on.

[Bronbron23]

LeBron wins games with his jump shot all the time. He's won more games with his jump shot literally more than anyone else playing.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/fadeaway.gif

Some of the best playoff performances in NBA history were authored by LeBron's jump shot.

Game 6 vs Boston was jumper after jumper. Game 7 vs San Antonio was literally jumper after jumper after jumper after jumper including the game winner.

https://wp.usatodaysports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2013/06/lebron31.gif

https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o85xlajBaeXtvNIw8/giphy.gif

https://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3621433/kingjames.gif

Look at this - it's a 2 point game - but he ends the Warriors with a 3:

https://d13csqd2kn0ewr.cloudfront.net/uploads/image/file/32190/cropped_james_winner.gif?ts=1392271223

I can go on forever posting these game winning / clutch dagger jumper gifs but there's a 5 gif limit.

LeBron's jumper is so deadly it has ended eras of other franchises.

His mid definitely isn't as bad as some people claim but he is right bron had never been fully confident in his jumper. This isn't even arguable. He has his moments like in the highlights you posted but there's alot more where he's been very hesitant to almost scared to take the mid. Mj on the other hand never thought twice about it. He would have 50 point games with primarily pull up j's. Compared to most people bron holds his own. It's not close between him and mj though. Mj had a way better mid game and was a much better and more confident jump shooter.

[3ball]

Yes mj only had one star and bron went and got 2 but it was different era's. Mj played in an era where most teams only had 1 star. Bron was in an era where some teams had 3. Celtics changed the game when the formed their big three. Bron was just trying to keep up. People act like bron started it but boston was the one that set it off.

And i don't know why your comparing mo williams to pip. It's not even close. All stats aren't equal and pips biggest asset is his defense so those numbers are meaningless. Pip led a team to 50 plus wins and a playoff run. No way mo Williams comes anywhere close to doing that or anyone else on that cavs team for that matter.

You know your mj shit i'll give you that but you lose all credibility with your takes on pip.


Are you trying to be untruthful?

The Celtics had a big three for 1 year - that's it - Dwight won the East with a 1-star team in 2009 and Dirk won the title with a 1-star team in 2011

So you're wrong on the facts - 1-star teams were routinely winning at that time, yet lebron formed the only team with 3 perennial all-stars (big 3) - the Celtics' core was 35 and 36 years old when lebron finally broke through in 2011 with his prime big 3.

Ultimately, the Heat/Spurs and Cavs/Warriors were the only teams with 3 all-stars from 13-17', so they made all the Finals (top heavy league)... It's easier to be 1 of 2 teams that are Finals-caliber, then 1 of many Finals-caliber teams in the 90's (many 2-star teams in the 90's... evenly-spread talent)..... parity = optimal competitive environment (90's), whereas lebron made the league top-heavy with only 2 Finals-caliber teams (free Finals pass for those 2 teams)

So Lebron faced big 3's with his own big 3's - he only faced a talent deficit in 17' and 18' when KD offset the unfair advantage Lebron had for a couple years in Miami.. And tbh, Durant had Curry in 2017, but Lebron had the guy that destroyed Curry and is currently superior (Kyrie) - so I don't think he faced a talent deficit in 2017

Btw, the 09' Cavs had the #3 defense and the 90' Bulls were #19.. so lebron had more defensive help, and Mo was a better offensive player than 90' Pip (beats pip across-the-board).. So Lebron was a 60-win favorite for 2 years in a row, with better help on both sides of the ball than 1990 MJ, who was an underdog... Yet lebron left and Jordan stayed.. How can you defend that?

Finally, if Jordan never existed, then pippen has a 2-year peak of 55 wins and then 41 in 95' (and 2nd Round exit).. That's top 400 all-time, not top 30.. only MJ elevated pippen's trash stats and performance to all-time great PERCEPTION

[8Ball]

That mofo King James is still at it in Los Angeles:

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/still-at-it.gif

Making clutch jumpers is what he does:

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/lebron-magic-2009.gif

“This is Jordanesque!” 1:

https://s8.gifyu.com/images/jordanesque-one.gif

“This is Jordanesque!” 2:

https://s8.gifyu.com/images/jordanesque-two.gif

And another one:

https://media4.giphy.com/media/l3q2y2764DUQIKNRm/giphy.gif

To be continued...

Lol

Jordan stans are so ****ing stupid.

They actually think LeBron can't hit shots like Jordan did.

He does.

[RRR3]

Snivelball is looking really ****ing stupid in this thread.

[8Ball]

Oh man Light just took a big steaming hot shit all over 3ball and baller789.

Keep it going. Beautiful December Sunday with my left over turkey and fine bottle of wine. Delicious.

[trada7029]

Snivelball is looking really ****ing stupid in this thread.


You guys aren't just physically inferior.. you're intellectually inferior and keep responding with really dumb takes

I'm honestly amazed at how dumb everyone is.. not just you guys but our leaders

[RRR3]

Snivelball spending another day sobbing into his wheaties :roll:

LeBron ruined his life.

[Bronbron23]

Lol

Jordan stans are so ****ing stupid.

They actually think LeBron can't hit shots like Jordan did.

He does.

Nah bruh. Brons stans are worse. Yeah he can definitely hit them and has. He doesn't do it nearly as often and consistent as mj did. This is why bron stans are on some troll shit. They say shit like bron is as good of a jump shooter or bron has great footwork like mj. The latest one was lebron is a better 2 foot chest to chest dunker. These are all things where mj is much better so it's either yall are just trolling or know very little about the game. Maybe a bit a both? It be like me saying mj was a better passer or was stronger than bron. It's just dumb.

[ralph_i_el]

You guys aren't just physically inferior.. you're intellectually inferior and keep responding with really dumb takes

I'm honestly amazed at how dumb everyone is.. not just you guys but our leaders

Ok old man.

[Baller789]

His mid definitely isn't as bad as some people claim but he is right bron had never been fully confident in his jumper. This isn't even arguable. He has his moments like in the highlights you posted but there's alot more where he's been very hesitant to almost scared to take the mid. Mj on the other hand never thought twice about it. He would have 50 point games with primarily pull up j's. Compared to most people bron holds his own. It's not close between him and mj though. Mj had a way better mid game and was a much better and more confident jump shooter.
:roll:
Next time theyd be arguing Lebron is a good freethrow shooter
:yaohappy:

[Bronbron23]

:roll:
Next time theyd be arguing Lebron is a good freethrow shooter
:yaohappy:

Hahaha. I wouldn't be surprised. These dude live in an alternate reality.

[InnerZen]

Nah bruh. Brons stans are worse. Yeah he can definitely hit them and has. He doesn't do it nearly as often and consistent as mj did. This is why bron stans are on some troll shit. They say shit like bron is as good of a jump shooter or bron has great footwork like mj. The latest one was lebron is a better 2 foot chest to chest dunker. These are all things where mj is much better so it's either yall are just trolling or know very little about the game. Maybe a bit a both? It be like me saying mj was a better passer or was stronger than bron. It's just dumb.

Bro they have literally successfully deluded themselves into believing it and fusing it as a part of their reality. Insane.

[InnerZen]

:roll:
Next time theyd be arguing Lebron is a good freethrow shooter
:yaohappy:

Facts :roll:

[Baller789]

Bro they have literally successfully deluded themselves into believing it and fusing it as a part of their reality. Insane.

That' why Lebron stans are either:

A. Autistic
B. On crack, meth or some other $h!+
C. Basement virgins

[Baller789]

Oh man Light just took a big steaming hot shit all over 3ball and baller789.

Keep it going. Beautiful December Sunday with my left over turkey and fine bottle of wine. Delicious.

https://i.ibb.co/xDZHVvS/IMG-20201228-213610.png (https://imgbb.com/)


:roll:

[8Ball]

Bro they have literally successfully deluded themselves into believing it and fusing it as a part of their reality. Insane.

We believe Bron is the GOAT and its trending that way.

We spoke it into existence since 2010.

Just a better individual player than Jordan.

By end of his career Bron will double Jordan in all-nba teams + 40k points. My oh my its like captain america lapping a human.

[Bronbron23]

We believe Bron is the GOAT and its trending that way.

We spoke it into existence since 2010.

Just a better individual player than Jordan.

By end of his career Bron will double Jordan in all-nba teams + 40k points. My oh my its like captain america lapping a human.

Imagine thinking a super hero only getting 4 wins in almosr 20 years against regular humans is actually good. Stats doe:facepalm

[8Ball]

Championships are team awards. Bill Russell, Robert Horry, KC Jones. Many players have 6+ championships due to their teams.

All-NBA and 40K points are 100% individual awards and carry more weight in individual vs individual comparison. Robert Horry never made All-NBA team. Neither did KC Jones.


If you want to compare 6 title 90s Bulls to 11 title 60s Celtics and argue which team is better have at it.

[Bronbron23]

Championships are team awards. Bill Russell, Robert Horry, KC Jones. Many players have 6+ championships due to their teams.

All-NBA and 40K points are 100% individual awards and carry more weight in individual vs individual comparison. Robert Horry never made All-NBA team. Neither did KC Jones.


If you want to compare 6 title 90s Bulls to 11 title 60s Celtics and argue which team is better have at it.
It's all one bruh. It's stats, chips, accolades and eye test. If you go by those 4 It can only be a tie at best because mj is clearly ahead in chips and accolades. Stats can go either way depending if you use per or totals. Per was always the measurement until bron stans came along and now yall trying to change the narrative to totals which is actually fair. It's not written in stone that it has to be per but as long as the players being compared had decent longevity per is the more accurate measure. Totals is cool to tbough. As far as eye test its to subjective to really use accurately. Most People are way to biased to judge honestly. You have bron stans that legit think bron has better footwork and better mid than mj and have mj stans that think mj is a better passer and stronger than bron. It's become beyond trolling on both sides.

[8Ball]

LeBron stats are surpassing Jordans.

1) If you want to use PER, LeBron already has more 30 PER playoff runs than Jordan. Has a higher PER playoff peak run 2009 + 2018.
For lifetime they are near equal for regular season and playoffs.

For totals LeBron is racking up the totals vs Jordan like Captain America lapping Falcon for both regular season and playoffs.

2) Chips goes to Jordan.

3) Accolades goes to LeBron. All-NBA teams are voted just like MVP awards and DPOY. And LeBron has 16 All-NBA teams to Jordan's 11. If you want to put them equal than fine.

- Eye test.

Passing
Rebounding

LeBron > Jordan

Scoring

Jordan > LeBron.


If you want them to be equal today I am fine with that. But 1 more chip and its over.

[Bronbron23]

LeBron stats are surpassing Jordans.

1) If you want to use PER, LeBron already has more 30 PER playoff runs than Jordan. Has a higher PER playoff peak run 2009 + 2018.
For lifetime they are near equal for regular season and playoffs.

For totals LeBron is racking up the totals vs Jordan like Captain America lapping Falcon for both regular season and playoffs.

2) Chips goes to Jordan.

3) Accolades goes to LeBron. All-NBA teams are voted just like MVP awards and DPOY. And LeBron has 16 All-NBA teams to Jordan's 11. If you want to put them equal than fine.

- Eye test.

Passing
Rebounding

LeBron > Jordan

Scoring

Jordan > LeBron.


If you want them to be equal today I am fine with that. But 1 more chip and its over.

Per as in points per game and mj scored a significantly higher amount per game. Bron is still up there though but mj was definitely the better scorer which through out history has been the better indicator of the better players. Magic johnson was the exception to that rule. Bron does have more assists and rebounds though so per is close. I think defense with steals and blocks are pretty much even.

Accolades are definitely not bron. Mj has more of almost everything even though he had less years played. More mvps, fmvps, dpoy, first team defense and scoring titles. I disagree that they're equal but i wouldn't really argue it. Bron, magic, kareem and russell imo all have good arguments. Maybe even 2 or 3 others.

I do think if bron gets one more chip and fmvp he's tied with mj. That will most likely happen this year and he dosn't necessarily need the fmvp as long as he plays well.

[8Ball]

Per as in points per game and mj scored a significantly higher amount per game. Bron is still up there though but mj was definitely the better scorer which through out history has been the better indicator of the better players. Magic johnson was the exception to that rule. Bron does have more assists and rebounds though so per is close. I think defense with steals and blocks are pretty much even.

Accolades are definitely not bron. Mj has more of almost everything even though he had less years played. More mvps, fmvps, dpoy, first team defense and scoring titles. I disagree that they're equal but i wouldn't really argue it. Bron, magic, kareem and russell imo all have good arguments. Maybe even 2 or 3 others.

I do think if bron gets one more chip and fmvp he's tied with mj. That will most likely happen this year and he dosn't necessarily need the fmvp as long as he plays well.

A perfectly logical response. I agree with a lot of it. Jordan has 1 more DPOY and 1 More MVP and 3-4 more all defence. Vs Bron's 5 more All-NBA teams. I highly value All-NBA teams because its very hard to make All-NBA 1st team. If you want to say Jordan over Bron, then fine, depends what you value more.


This is an argument that will nearly never end unless LeBron wins 6-7 chips which I don't think is possible. LeBron has 1 more in him in my estimation.


There's only 3 players that can claim the #1 spot. LeBron / Jordan / Kareem. All 3 have the mountain of stats to throw at the table, accomplishments, dominance. But Kareem just wasn't as dominant in the playoffs as LeBron and Jordan.

[Bronbron23]

A perfectly logical response. I agree with a lot of it. Jordan has 1 more DPOY and 1 More MVP and 3-4 more all defence. Vs Bron's 5 more All-NBA teams. I highly value All-NBA teams because its very hard to make All-NBA 1st team. If you want to say Jordan over Bron, then fine, depends what you value more.


This is an argument that will nearly never end unless LeBron wins 6-7 chips which I don't think is possible. LeBron has 1 more in him in my estimation.


There's only 3 players that can claim the #1 spot. LeBron / Jordan / Kareem. All 3 have the mountain of stats to throw at the table, accomplishments, dominance. But Kareem just wasn't as dominant in the playoffs as LeBron and Jordan.

Yeah for most mj stans bron will need 6 or 7. I personally say he only needs 5 to tie because i give bron 2 chips for 2016. I think the pre kd warriors were a little overrated but they were definitely better than any team mj ever faced and it's not like the cavs were absolutely stacked. They were solid though.

[8Ball]

:cheers:

I like this bronbron23 poster. Very objective.

[trada7029]

Yeah for most mj stans bron will need 6 or 7. I personally say he only needs 5 to tie because i give bron 2 chips for 2016. I think the pre kd warriors were a little overrated but they were definitely better than any team mj ever faced and it's not like the cavs were absolutely stacked. They were solid though.


If Rik Smits outplayed Shaq in 2000, would Reggie Miller get credit for a goat accomplishment by winning that series?

If KJ outplayed MJ in 93', would Barkley get credit for 2 rings by winning that series?

If kenyon outplayed Duncan in 03', would Kidd get credit for a goat accomplishment?

You can do this with any Finals - it's impossible to lose when your 2nd option is destroying the opposing 1st option - no one else would get credit for a goat accomplishment in this scenario, so why does lebron get credit?..

If people knew in advance that MVP Curry wouldn't exist in that series and Dray gets suspended, no one would expect the Warriors to win.. Heck, the Warriors weren't even expected to win entering the 15' and 16' seasons because the Cavs were favored - people knew that Kyrie was all-star MVP in 2014, while Klay was a 1st time all-star in 15', the so the Cavs had superior talent.. the reality is that Kyrie was better than Curry in those Finals and is currently considered superior, or at least equal.. it's easy to beat Curry when your sidekick is equal or better than Curry

Ultimately, kyrie deserves a lot of credit for winning that series as an equal-scoring partner to lebron, and taking out the league MVP.. this means lebron doesn't deserve the credit you claim..

he led 5 arbitrary categories like others have done, and he led those categories by tiny margins (shared load), which doesn't compare to Jordan averaging 11 more than Lebron in 1993, and 20 more than anyone in that series (carry-job).. ultimately, lebron should get knocked wetting the bed for the first 4 games (24 and 6 TO's) and therefore for needing 7 games despite Kyrie's performance.. no one else would need 7 games given kyrie's performance

[dankok8]

Lebron being an inferior player at his peak to MJ needs to win more than MJ to pass him. So 7 titles and 7 FMVP's will put him in front but I doubt Lebron can do that. As well as he's been aging, time is running out for him. People should also not underestimate the benefits of the last few seasons being the most offensive era in league history and Lebron resting in the regular season and on the defensive end.

In 18-19 when Lebron had to exert himself a lot in the regular season he got injured. I'm not saying he can't play regular seasons at full throttle anymore without getting hurt but if he did this he wouldn't look so fresh in the playoffs. You can bet your ass on it.

[Bronbron23]

:cheers:

I like this bronbron23 poster. Very objective.

Yeah same bruh. Most bron guys think i hate bron even though i say he's one of the goats and actually defend on him all the time against guys like 3ball or that elite dude who says he's on roids. My problem isn't with bron it's with some of his insane stans.

And yeah mj stans can be just as bad.

Good debate bruh :cheers:

[Bronbron23]

If Rik Smits outplayed Shaq in 2000, would Reggie Miller get credit for a goat accomplishment by winning that series?

If KJ outplayed MJ in 93', would Barkley get credit for 2 rings by winning that series?

If kenyon outplayed Duncan in 03', would Kidd get credit for a goat accomplishment?

You can do this with any Finals - it's impossible to lose when your 2nd option is destroying the opposing 1st option - no one else would get credit for a goat accomplishment in this scenario, so why does lebron get credit?..

If people knew in advance that MVP Curry wouldn't exist in that series and Dray gets suspended, no one would expect the Warriors to win.. Heck, the Warriors weren't even expected to win entering the 15' and 16' seasons because the Cavs were favored - people knew that Kyrie was all-star MVP in 2014, while Klay was a 1st time all-star in 15', the so the Cavs had superior talent.. the reality is that Kyrie was better than Curry in those Finals and is currently considered superior, or at least equal.. it's easy to beat Curry when your sidekick is equal or better than Curry

Ultimately, kyrie deserves a lot of credit for winning that series as an equal-scoring partner to lebron, and taking out the league MVP.. this means lebron doesn't deserve the credit you claim..

he led 5 arbitrary categories like others have done, and he led those categories by tiny margins (shared load), which doesn't compare to Jordan averaging 11 more than Lebron in 1993, and 20 more than anyone in that series (carry-job).. ultimately, lebron should get knocked wetting the bed for the first 4 games (24 and 6 TO's) and therefore for needing 7 games despite Kyrie's performance.. no one else would need 7 games given kyrie's performance

For sure kyrie deserved credit but nobody does it alone. Mj had pip. Does he not deserve alot of credit also?

[trada7029]

Lebron being an inferior player at his peak to MJ needs to win more than MJ to pass him


.


No one won a bunch of rings the way MJ did (where no teammate is near him statistically)

Lebron's teammates are closer to him statistically than pippen was, so his rings aren't the carry-jobs that MJ had.. again - no one won a bunch of rings the way MJ did (where no teammate is near him)

Heck, Kyrie and Lebron have career Finals average of 28 ppg each, while AD matched lebron in the 2020 playoffs

Otoh, Jordan doubled pippen's scoring and averaged more assists... No comparison.. No one won a bunch of rings the way mj did (where no teammate is near him)

[trada7029]

For sure kyrie deserved credit but nobody does it alone. Mj had pip. Does he not deserve alot of credit also?


No one won a bunch of rings the way MJ did (where no teammate is near him statistically)

Lebron's teammates are closer to him statistically than pippen was, so his rings aren't the carry-jobs that MJ had.. again - no one won a bunch of rings the way MJ did (where no teammate is near him)

Heck, Kyrie and Lebron have career Finals average of 28 ppg each, while AD matched lebron in the 2020 playoffs.. and lebron only averaged 5 more than Wade in Finals wins

Otoh, Jordan doubled pippen's scoring and averaged more assists... No comparison.. No one won a bunch of rings the way mj did (where no teammate is near him)

[riggyrich]

You are literally hating on someone for not taking contested jumpers lol? Have you ever played basketball in your life? Comments like this just make you look stupid man, this show Lebron is always willing to make the right play by not taking a "Contested Jumper" Displays high basketball IQ unlike your post.

[trada7029]

You are literally hating on someone for not taking contested jumpers lol? Have you ever played basketball in your life? Comments like this just make you look stupid man, this show Lebron is always willing to make the right play by not taking a "Contested Jumper" Displays high basketball IQ unlike your post.


Every team must take some contested shots - lebron defers these shots to teammates

The skill in basketball isn't making open shots with no defense...

The skill is contested shots and lebron sucks at contested jumpers... He can't shoot with no room and Jordan/Kobe can

[trada7029]

No one won a bunch of rings the way MJ did (where no teammate is near him statistically)

Lebron's teammates are closer to him statistically than pippen was, so his rings aren't the carry-jobs that MJ had.. again - no one won a bunch of rings the way MJ did (where no teammate is near him)

Heck, Kyrie and Lebron have career Finals average of 28 ppg each, while AD matched lebron in the 2020 playoffs.. and lebron only averaged 5 more than Wade in Finals wins

Otoh, Jordan doubled pippen's scoring and averaged more assists... No comparison.. No one won a bunch of rings the way mj did (where no teammate is near him)




Bronbron

you breathin bud?.. or runnin

[riggyrich]

Every team must take some contested shots - lebron defers these shots to teammates

The skill in basketball isn't making open shots with no defense...

The skill is contested shots and lebron sucks at contested jumpers... He can't shoot with no room and Jordan/Kobe can

"The skill is contested shots"

Lol you should coach a highschool basketball team. Tell the whole team you aren't good enough until you hit contested jumpers....

It's clear what your intentions are for this post since you immediately compared him to Jordan and Kobe. 2 players with a completely different playstyle.

You can keep replying to me if you want, but you just keep making yourself look like an idiot. Keep trying tho.

[trada7029]

"The skill is contested shots"

Lol you should team a highschool basketball team. Tell the whole team you aren't good enough until you hit contested jumpers....

It's clear what your intentions are for this post since you immediately compared him to Jordan and Kobe. 2 players with a completely different playstyle.

You can keep replying to me if you want, but you just keep making yourself look like an idiot. Keep trying tho.

Lebron can't take contested jumpers

It's a massive hole and skill deficit

I don't respect his game because of it... lol.. a bum that can only take open jumpers... can't shoot with a hand in his face gtfo

[8Ball]

The evidence is in this thread of LeBron taking contested game winning jumpers.

Still some flat earthers walking around here.

[8Ball]

LeBron wins games with his jump shot all the time. He's won more games with his jump shot literally more than anyone else playing.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/fadeaway.gif

Some of the best playoff performances in NBA history were authored by LeBron's jump shot.

Game 6 vs Boston was jumper after jumper. Game 7 vs San Antonio was literally jumper after jumper after jumper after jumper including the game winner.

https://wp.usatodaysports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2013/06/lebron31.gif

https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o85xlajBaeXtvNIw8/giphy.gif

https://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3621433/kingjames.gif

Look at this - it's a 2 point game - but he ends the Warriors with a 3:

https://d13csqd2kn0ewr.cloudfront.net/uploads/image/file/32190/cropped_james_winner.gif?ts=1392271223

I can go on forever posting these game winning / clutch dagger jumper gifs but there's a 5 gif limit.

LeBron's jumper is so deadly it has ended eras of other franchises.

A bunch of contested jumpers.

[trada7029]

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Per NBA.com's stats, Lebron can't shoot with a hand in his face and avoids these shots.

so he's nowhere near Jordan or Kobe

[8Ball]

That mofo King James is still at it in Los Angeles:

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/still-at-it.gif

Making clutch jumpers is what he does:

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/lebron-magic-2009.gif

“This is Jordanesque!” 1:

https://s8.gifyu.com/images/jordanesque-one.gif

“This is Jordanesque!” 2:

https://s8.gifyu.com/images/jordanesque-two.gif

And another one:

https://media4.giphy.com/media/l3q2y2764DUQIKNRm/giphy.gif

To be continued...

Thread cliffs:

3ball dumpstered again.

All with a hand in his face.

Time to start watching basketball.

[riggyrich]

Lebron can't take contested jumpers

It's a massive hole and skill deficit

I don't respect his game because of it... lol.. a bum that can only take open jumpers... can't shoot with a hand in his face gtfo

Remember to tell all your highschool players that they suck because they can't hit contested jumpers.

We got a virgin here who prolly has never played a basketball game in his life saying Lebron is a bum because he only shoots open jumpers.

I only like posting on this forum to tell how people like you how retarded you are.

[8Ball]

Remember to tell all your highschool players that they suck because they can't hit contested jumpers.

We got a virgin here who prolly has never played a basketball game in his life saying Lebron is a bum because he only shoots open jumpers.

I only like posting on this forum to tell how people like you how retarded you are.

It bothers him that LeBron can do anything Jordan did at will. Any type of scoring.

Jordan can't facilitate and pass like LeBron. That hurts 3ball inside.

[TheCorporation]

Championships are team awards. Bill Russell, Robert Horry, KC Jones. Many players have 6+ championships due to their teams.

All-NBA and 40K points are 100% individual awards and carry more weight in individual vs individual comparison. Robert Horry never made All-NBA team. Neither did KC Jones.


If you want to compare 6 title 90s Bulls to 11 title 60s Celtics and argue which team is better have at it.

100%


High IQ poster !

[3ball]

Remember to tell all your highschool players that they suck because they can't hit contested jumpers.

We got a virgin here who prolly has never played a basketball game in his life saying Lebron is a bum because he only shoots open jumpers.

I only like posting on this forum to tell how people like you how retarded you are.

Yes, a player is NOT a good basketball player worthy of respect if they can't make contested jumpers

That is true

[riggyrich]

Yes, a player is NOT a good basketball player worthy of respect if they can't make contested jumpers

That is true

30k posts on this forum. You must seek therapy...

[Baller789]

Thread cliffs:

3ball dumpstered again.

All with a hand in his face.

Time to start watching basketball.
Did you even understand the thread title?

The title says 2019 and 2020 yet the vids even shows Miami heat Lebron. Yet your parading it like some dimwit.

I thought you said you went to college?

:yaohappy::yaohappy::yaohappy:

[SATAN]

Imagine this 45 year old lonely compulsive lying fgt getting excited at the thought of posters reacting to him saying "thread cliffs"

[Bronbron23]

No one won a bunch of rings the way MJ did (where no teammate is near him statistically)

Lebron's teammates are closer to him statistically than pippen was, so his rings aren't the carry-jobs that MJ had.. again - no one won a bunch of rings the way MJ did (where no teammate is near him)

Heck, Kyrie and Lebron have career Finals average of 28 ppg each, while AD matched lebron in the 2020 playoffs.. and lebron only averaged 5 more than Wade in Finals wins

Otoh, Jordan doubled pippen's scoring and averaged more assists... No comparison.. No one won a bunch of rings the way mj did (where no teammate is near him)

Yeah but bron passes more and takes less shots. Kyrie and davis wouldn't get the chance to score that much next to mj because he's getting his shots up and rightfully so. Brons strength isn't volume shooting it's passing and playmaking. Mj did that too just to a lesser extent.

That said I'm more of an mj guy so I'm not arguing that bron is better just that he's pretty damn close. I don't even know why anyone would argue that at this point.

[8Ball]

Did you even understand the thread title?

The title says 2019 and 2020 yet the vids even shows Miami heat Lebron. Yet your parading it like some dimwit.

I thought you said you went to college?


Why do you even try to go up against me?

I own you every time. Its almost comical how you never win an argument against me yet I trigger you nearly every day.

This is embarrassing at this point.

Contested Jumpers in 2019 and 2020.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/fadeaway.gif

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/still-at-it.gif

:roll:

[8Ball]

Imagine this 45 year old lonely compulsive lying fgt getting excited at the thought of posters reacting to him saying "thread cliffs"

I don't understand it to be honest.

3Ball and Baller789 lose every single argument they post on this forum yet they keep coming back.

We are like the school yard bully that stole their lunch 1000x yet they come back the next day. We keep taking it. :lol

At this point, all the other Jordan stans are too embarrassed after seeing their side lose so many arguments. Extinction.

[3ball]

Yeah but bron passes more and takes less shots. Kyrie and davis wouldn't get the chance to score that much next to mj because he's getting his shots up and rightfully so. Brons strength isn't volume shooting it's passing and playmaking. Mj did that too just to a lesser extent.

That said I'm more of an mj guy so I'm not arguing that bron is better just that he's pretty damn close. I don't even know why anyone would argue that at this point.


Pippen's max capacity was 22 ppg - he was never averaged 25-30 like AD or Kyrie achieved with and without lebron

So Jordan was forced to shoot that much

It's a fact that Jordan had far less offensive help than lebron - your dumb statement that this was due to Jordan shooting is ignorant lebron-fan speak - lebron's 3rd options were better offensive players than pippen

[Baller789]

Why do you even try to go up against me?

I own you every time. Its almost comical how you never win an argument against me yet I trigger you nearly every day.

This is embarrassing at this point.

Contested Jumpers in 2019 and 2020.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/fadeaway.gif

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/still-at-it.gif

:roll:

Why do I bother to reply to the school janitor?
Perhaps because I'm a nice guy.

Your just trying to be sly be quoting the wrong gifs for the thread title and too embrarassed to admit you missed it.

Now go back to work mr. College janitor.

:oldlol:

[8Ball]

Another hit and miss by baller789.

One day I'll let you win an argument against me. Maybe in a few years :roll:

The college dropout remark really stung deep against you. The janitor remark is a projection of your own failed career choices. :lol

I turned this Jordan stan mental.

[Baller789]

Another hit and miss by baller789.

One day I'll let you win an argument against me. Maybe in a few years :roll:

The college dropout remark really stung deep against you. The janitor remark is a projection of your own failed career choices. :lol

I turned this Jordan stan mental.

Just admit you made a mistake.

Real smart people know when to admit a mistake...

Unless your the school janitor.

:roll:

Doesn't surprise me since you can't answer a simple question about Lebron's assist titles. A metric you are so proud of.

Pretentious af :lol

[8Ball]

3 different posts you still don't know the difference between "you're" vs "your". And you are talking about janitor work? You type like a janitor. :lol

The irony is delicious. Couldn't get a high enough grade in English to make it to college. :roll:


Regarding this thread topic. I have yet to make a mistake. Why admit to a mistake if my GPA on this forum is 4.0?

[Baller789]

3 different posts you still don't know the difference between "you're" vs "your". And you are talking about janitor work? You type like a janitor. :lol

The irony is delicious. Couldn't get a high enough grade in English to make it to college. :roll:


Regarding this thread topic. I have yet to make a mistake. Why admit to a mistake if my GPA on this forum is 4.0?
If that's all you have to argue about intelligence you are seriously grasping at straws. How do know how a janitor types? Because you are one? :oldlol:

Makes you look even more pretentious. :lol

So how many assist titles does Lebron have?

Someone with a GPA of 4.0 can't even answer.
:yaohappy:

[RRR3]

If that's all you have to argue about intelligence you are seriously grasping at straws. How do know how a janitor types? Because you are one? :oldlol:

Makes you look even more pretentious. :lol

So how many assist titles does Lebron have?

Someone with a GPA of 4.0 can't even answer.
:yaohappy:
More than MJ :yaohappy:

[Baller789]

More than MJ :yaohappy:

I said how many.

I didn't ask who has more assist titles.

Reading comprehension. :facepalm

[RRR3]

Superduperdumb quivering in rage rn :roll:


Some real

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rwro8doozUw/T755eP-AslI/AAAAAAAABPU/nCWLy9hg7Dg/s1600/triple-h-angry.gif


Shit.




LeCuatro has the man fuming all day every day

[Baller789]

Superduperdumb quivering in rage rn :roll:


Some real

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rwro8doozUw/T755eP-AslI/AAAAAAAABPU/nCWLy9hg7Dg/s1600/triple-h-angry.gif


Shit.




LeCuatro has the man fuming all day every day

Troll attempt fail

:roll:

[RRR3]

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rwro8doozUw/T755eP-AslI/AAAAAAAABPU/nCWLy9hg7Dg/s1600/triple-h-angry.gif
:yaohappy:

[Baller789]

:yaohappy:

Booorringgg...

[8Ball]

Superduperdumb quivering in rage rn :roll:


Some real

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rwro8doozUw/T755eP-AslI/AAAAAAAABPU/nCWLy9hg7Dg/s1600/triple-h-angry.gif


Shit.




LeCuatro has the man fuming all day every day

We really rag doll him mentally.

Calls other people janitors.
Doesn't spell properly.
Types like a janitor.
Has IQ equal to median janitor IQ.
Works as a janitor in real life. :lol

Constantly triggered over "LeBron Stans" ruining his basketball enjoyment experience. :lol

[8Ball]

If that's all you have to argue about intelligence you are seriously grasping at straws. How do know how a janitor types? Because you are one? :oldlol:

Makes you look even more pretentious. :lol

So how many assist titles does Lebron have?

Someone with a GPA of 4.0 can't even answer.
:yaohappy:

Its very easy to spot real life janitors.

They failed English class and can't tell the difference between you are and your. 3 posts in 1 page you slopped over it.

I can tell janitor types because they can barely speak english when cleaning my table at the food court.

Put "Baller789" on your shirt next time you clean tables so people can forgive your low IQ behaviors. :roll:


A thread about LeBron jumpers turns into LeBron assist titles. :lol
100% Baller789 is a janitor.

[Baller789]

We really rag doll him mentally.

Calls other people janitors.
Doesn't spell properly.
Types like a janitor.
Has IQ equal to median janitor IQ.
Works as a janitor in real life. :lol

Constantly triggered over "LeBron Stans" ruining his basketball enjoyment experience. :lol

You done stroking your fellow Lebrontard yet?

[8Ball]

You done stroking your fellow Lebrontard yet?

LeBron stans bully you everyday. We steal your lunch money and you keep coming back.

Easy. Like a pack of lions.

[Baller789]

LeBron stans bully you everyday. We steal your lunch money and you keep coming back.

Easy. Like a pack of lions.
More like a pack of...

:banana::banana::banana:

:roll:

[trada7029]

Lebron's inability to attempt or convert contested jumpers matters because it means he can't shoot well at high volume when more contested jumpers are required.. Since he can't shoot well at high volume, he can't win titles that require high volume loads, such as titles with "true" 2nd options like klay or pippen that score far less than the #1 option in the championship.. Indeed, lebron never won a Finals while averaging far more than his sidekick

[3ball]

Lebron's inability to attempt or convert contested jumpers matters because it means he can't shoot well at high volume when more contested jumpers are required.. Since he can't shoot well at high volume, he can't win titles that require high volume loads, such as titles with "true" 2nd options like klay or pippen that score far less than the #1 option in the championship.. Indeed, lebron never won a Finals while averaging far more than his sidekick


Insightful data.. So lebron can't win with true 2nd options that require more volume because he can't shoot well at high volume (requires more contested jumpshooting)

Therefore he needs a 1b (elite 1st option to play sidekick) that can match or outscore him for a playoff run (Wade, AD, Kyrie)

It's funny because only Jordan won all his rings with a "true" 2nd option that scored far less.. everyone else in history had a 1b that matched or exceeded them

[Micku]

Lebron's inability to attempt or convert contested jumpers matters because it means he can't shoot well at high volume when more contested jumpers are required.. Since he can't shoot well at high volume, he can't win titles that require high volume loads, such as titles with "true" 2nd options like klay or pippen that score far less than the #1 option in the championship.. Indeed, lebron never won a Finals while averaging far more than his sidekick

He did it in Miami. Wade as great as he was, was on one leg in the playoffs. Granted in the finals, LeBron played like shit in the first 5 games. Game 6 and 7 is where he stepped it up.

And with the Cavs in 18, he really felt unstoppable in the playoffs, but the GSW was just a better team.

But LeBron isn't Kobe or Mj or anything like that. He knows his weaknesses, and he isn't a shot maker like them. Not at high rate. Instead, he plays for the most efficient shot. He usually don't force it. And he's gotten a lot better since his early days of letting the game come to him. And this should be fine. Like Magic, I don't think he took that many contested shots either. And his shot selection was like the best I ever seen. LeBron is similar, but at higher rate. Like his Cavs run in 17 and 18. He went to his spots. But when he was feeling his jumper, the dude was unstoppable. But ironically, I think Magic is a better and underrated shooter haha. Much better with FTs for sure. Regardless tho, I think it shows you can chips in multiple ways. And LeBron could carry a team to the finals.

[paksat]

Insightful data.. So lebron can't win with true 2nd options that require more volume because he can't shoot well at high volume (requires more contested jumpshooting)

Therefore he needs a 1b (elite 1st option to play sidekick) that can match or outscore him for a playoff run (Wade, AD, Kyrie)

It's funny because only Jordan won all his rings with a "true" 2nd option that scored far less.. everyone else in history had a 1b that matched or exceeded them

wrong

wade in 06

don't even start with me about fat shaq 3ball, sure he was decent but don't even start.

[3ball]

He did it in Miami. Wade as great as he was, was on one leg in the playoffs. Granted in the finals, LeBron played like shit in the first 5 games. Game 6 and 7 is where he stepped it up.

And with the Cavs in 18, he really felt unstoppable in the playoffs, but the GSW was just a better team.

But LeBron isn't Kobe or Mj or anything like that. He knows his weaknesses, and he isn't a shot maker like them. Not at high rate. Instead, he plays for the most efficient shot. He usually don't force it. And he's gotten a lot better since his early days of letting the game come to him. And this should be fine. Like Magic, I don't think he took that many contested shots either. And his shot selection was like the best I ever seen. LeBron is similar, but at higher rate. Like his Cavs run in 17 and 18. He went to his spots. But when he was feeling his jumper, the dude was unstoppable. But ironically, I think Magic is a better and underrated shooter haha. Much better with FTs for sure. Regardless tho, I think it shows you can chips in multiple ways. And LeBron could carry a team to the finals.


Lebron didn't take contested jumpers at any point in his career

No one stops taking contested jumpers all of a sudden

Ultimately, Lebron can't shoot whenever he wants like MJ/Kobe and must wait for open shots.. this matters because his inability to take contested jumpers means he can't shoot well at high volume when more contested jumpshooting is required - poor efficiency at high volume is why he can't win with "true" 2nd options that average far less in the championship and require more volume.. Accordingly, lebron needs a 1b (elite 1st option) that can outscore him for a playoff run (11', 16', 20') and allow him to take mostly open shots.. and having 2 star teammates helped anytime his sidekick didn't achieve 1st option stats.

It's funny because only Jordan won all his rings with a "true" 2nd option that scored far less.. everyone else in history had a 1b that matched or exceeded them

[3ba11]

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Lebron can't take contested jumpers, so he isn't a real baller. He defers these tougher shots to lesser teammates, aka low IQ

[LAL]

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Lebron can't take contested jumpers, so he isn't a real baller. He defers these tougher shots to lesser teammates, aka low IQ
THE worst shot selection i've ever seen from a superstar. It's shocking, but the worst part is his fans and media acting like he's high IQ. I see a million dribbles and lazy threes, and his skilled teammates take care of the harder parts of the game. :sleeping

[Axe]

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Lebron can't take contested jumpers, so he isn't a real baller. He defers these tougher shots to lesser teammates, aka low IQ
Nice job bumping one of your old threads.

[8Ball]

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Lebron can't take contested jumpers, so he isn't a real baller. He defers these tougher shots to lesser teammates, aka low IQ

More lies:

https://i.ibb.co/nbKSyz8/Screen-Shot-2021-09-04-at-9-07-23-AM.png

[RRR3]

Drivelball was the water boy for his middle school basketball team. That’s the extent of his career.

[Bronbron23]

More lies:

https://i.ibb.co/nbKSyz8/Screen-Shot-2021-09-04-at-9-07-23-AM.png

This is why even though i think mj is better i end up arguing with some mj stans. Anyone who watches bron play knows brons hits contested jumpers. No he dosn't take and hit anywhere near the amount mj does but it's not brons greatest strength like it was mj. Why do people want bron to take bad shots? He knows his strength and weaknesses and he's a smart player. It would be dumb for bron to take a bunch of contested jumpers. It's what the defense wants.

[3ba11]

This is why even though i think mj is better i end up arguing with some mj stans. Anyone who watches bron play knows brons hits contested jumpers. No he dosn't take and hit anywhere near the amount mj does but it's not brons greatest strength like it was mj. Why do people want bron to take bad shots? He knows his strength and weaknesses and he's a smart player. It would be dumb for bron to take a bunch of contested jumpers. It's what the defense wants.


I went to Bradley and transferred to FIU.. I've said this many times on this forum and others

And Bron doesn't take contested jumpers so how can he hit them?.. The NBA's stats aren't lying - Lebron doesn't attempt contested jumpers

[Bronbron23]

I went to Bradley and transferred to FIU.. I've said this many times on this forum and others

And Bron doesn't take contested jumpers so how can he hit them?.. The NBA's stats aren't lying - Lebron doesn't attempt contested jumpers

Not sure why your telling me where u went to school but that's cool.

And here is bron hitting a bunch of contested fadeaway contested jumpers. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l0LnabDt6QU

[3ba11]

Not sure why your telling me where u went to school but that's cool.

And here is bron hitting a bunch of contested fadeaway contested jumpers. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l0LnabDt6QU


89% (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shots-dash/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) of Lebron's jumpers were uncontested in 2020, compared to 69% (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/202695/shots-dash/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) for Kawhi, 61% (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201935/shots-dash/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) for Harden, and 50% (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201142/shots-dash/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) for KDGoat (2019 stats)


So Lebron's peers take 3 to 5 times as many contested jumpers as him.

Lebron's inability to pop off with his jumper means that he doesn't command doubles on the perimeter (multiple defenders can meet him at the rim).. It also means he can't take over the scoring and needs an equal-scoring partner (1b).. See the 11', 16' and 20' Playoffs/Finals..

Finally, his lack of elite jumpshooting skill means that he lacks an assisted skillset - he scores by dominating the ball, so high scoring levels turn teammates into spot-up shooters, which is why he can't win with high scoring.. Otoh, Jordan's scoring was partially-assisted/off-ball, which elevates teammates - so Jordan won with high scoring all the time.

[Bronbron23]

89% (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shots-dash/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) of Lebron's jumpers were uncontested in 2020, compared to 69% (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/202695/shots-dash/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) for Kawhi, 61% (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201935/shots-dash/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) for Harden, and 50% (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201142/shots-dash/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) for KDGoat (2019 stats)


So Lebron's peers take 3 to 5 times as many contested jumpers as him.

Lebron's inability to pop off with his jumper means that he doesn't command doubles on the perimeter (multiple defenders can meet him at the rim).. It also means he can't take over the scoring and needs an equal-scoring partner (1b).. See the 11', 16' and 20' Playoffs/Finals..

Finally, his lack of elite jumpshooting skill means that he lacks an assisted skillset - he scores by dominating the ball, so high scoring levels turn teammates into spot-up shooters, which is why he can't win with high scoring.. Otoh, Jordan's scoring was partially-assisted/off-ball, which elevates teammates - so Jordan won with high scoring all the time.

Ok but that wasn't the discussion. You said he dosn't shoot or hit contested jumpers and proved that to be false. Now your changing up and saying he does but not as much as the games other great scorers. I don't really argue that though. Kawhi and kd are certainly better jump shooters. Not sure about harden though. He seems to take less than bron although i do agree he draws way more double teams than bron who dosn't face many at all. How much of that is due to bron not being as much of a scoring threat or due to teams respecting brons passing and knowing he'll make them pay?

[RRR3]

Snivelball is a lying fraud :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

This trada posts an awful lot like that fakkit 3ball

[j3lademaster]

If you're scoring an efficient 25ppg you're scoring an efficient 25 ppg. Doesn't matter how you get them, if you can consistently create open layups and dunks to do that more power to you. Why would you change your game?

[RRR3]

This trada posts an awful lot like that fakkit 3ball
I bet he thinks he dunked on Zach Randolph too.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This trada posts an awful lot like that fakkit 3ball

With a life mission is to expose Lebron. They 'both' sound like well-adjusted individuals.

I wanna see more Kobe posts tbh

[RRR3]

With a life mission is to expose Lebron. They 'both' sound like well-adjusted individuals.

I wanna see more Kobe posts tbh
It’s absolutely hilarious how scared he is to compare his hero Kobe to LeBron :lol. Has to use MJ instead.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It’s absolutely hilarious how scared he is to compare his hero Kobe to LeBron :lol. Has to use MJ instead.

Bring up Kobe's faults just enough, and he very well might.

Do it in a 'pro MJ' thread and 3ball will panic. He'll yet again be forced to call Mike and Kobe equals

:yaohappy:

[3ba11]

It’s absolutely hilarious how scared he is to compare his hero Kobe to LeBron :lol. Has to use MJ instead.


The stats don't favor Kobe and I lack faith in people to understand qualitative arguments

So I just use MJ since he had better stats, which often illustrate the qualitative arguments

[RRR3]

Bring up Kobe's faults just enough, and he very well might.

Do it in a 'pro MJ' thread and 3ball will panic. He'll yet again be forced to call Mike and Kobe equals

:yaohappy:
:roll:

I love exposing him. He’s such an inept troll.

[RRR3]

The stats don't favor Kobe and I lack faith in people to understand qualitative arguments

So I just use MJ since he had better stats, which often illustrate the qualitative arguments
The stats don’t favor Kobe because he was worse you ****ing idiot.


Kuniva look at this shit he just admitted it lmao

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The stats don’t favor Kobe because he was worse you ****ing idiot.


Kuniva look at this shit he just admitted it lmao

https://i.postimg.cc/V63NL5vj/2323232.gif