I swear lebron's game is so gimmicky

[LAL]

You guys can watch this regular season stat padding, chasing cheap stats and good fg%, no moves, no scoring responsibility, slow prehistoric basketball filled with excuses? While his decent teammates out there hustling, being energetic playing real ball.

That's all we're focusing on, his stats, he doesn't even have to look dominant.

Kawhi's game is better than his stats, lebron the opposite. It's gonna be a loooong ass season again i realized watching him today.

Cheating the game for 18 years now.

Merry Christmas.

[Marchesk]

Not sure if OP has Lebron confused with James Harden.

[LoneyROY7]

Not sure if OP has Lebron confused with James Harden.

What a retarded response.

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGYf5h47pOM

[Hey Yo]

https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2020/10/12033100/B8199C99-AFD9-4B87-A082-067A35A27E24-1024x682.jpeg

[Marchesk]

What a retarded response.

They both take advantage of the rules, but Lebron has been able to turn that into rings.

[LAL]

They both take advantage of the rules, but Lebron has been able to turn that into rings.

That's just general management skills and "zero loyalty" mindset.

[Marchesk]

That's just general management skills and "zero loyalty" mindset.

I'll give the Rockets credit in that they almost took down the Durant/Curry Warriors, if it weren't for those 27 missed threes in a row. Harden does give them a shot in the playoffs. The league just doesn't crack down on certain loopholes in the rules, and lets certain stars take advantage.

As for loyalty, Giannis is the exception these days. Westbrook was as well, until PG wanted out. And I wouldn't be shocked if Giannis changed his mind three years from now.

[1987_Lakers]

That's just general management skills and "zero loyalty" mindset.

You would have to be a complete sucker to remain "loyal" to a franchise given how all of them wouldn't hesitate to trade you in a second if they think they would benefit as a team.

[Marchesk]

You would have to be a complete sucker to remain "loyal" to a franchise given how all of them wouldn't hesitate to trade you in a second if they think they would benefit as a team.

True, but there is the fan base who gets to watch their home grown stars go win championships elsewhere. What are Thunder fans supposed to do now? Hope the team can keep the next Durant/Harden/Westbrook they draft?

[LAL]

I'll give the Rockets credit in that they almost took down the Durant/Curry Warriors, if it weren't for those 27 missed threes in a row. Harden does give them a shot in the playoffs. The league just doesn't crack down on certain loopholes in the rules, and lets certain stars take advantage.

As for loyalty, Giannis is the exception these days. Westbrook was as well, until PG wanted out. And I wouldn't be shocked if Giannis changed his mind three years from now.

I think they're ruining players and the game with these tailor made dribble kickout system for their star player's brand so they can sell extra shoes and franchises get more media attention and young fans. Thy're competing trough stats, that's why players who can adjust to systems and who have less weaknesses are seen by media and corrupt fans as lesser, nOt SaMe LeVeL. Butler, Kawhi, Kobe..

I'm getting too old for this NBA.

[HylianNightmare]

I see it too

[Gray GOAT]

That 4th ring has hit OP hard. Sad to see someone’s demise up close, but you still feel for him.

[GrayGoat]

4 rings 4 mvps 4 fmvps “gimmick” I hate to say it but I don’t think op knows what the fvck he is talking about

[LoneyROY7]

They both take advantage of the rules, but Lebron has been able to turn that into rings.

The OP specifically says "no moves" and "no scoring responsibility". Both the exact opposite of Harden.

[LAL]

4 rings 4 mvps 4 fmvps “gimmick” I hate to say it but I don’t think op knows what the fvck he is talking about

18 healthy prime seasons, eastern conference, ringchasing in his prime, bron system, stats and media awards.

Still can't tie Kobe's 5. Playing out West, 1 all star, no weaknesses, 10 healthy prime years.

Kobe's playstyle wasn't gimmicky, true winner less excuses and less media love.

Winning, true skills and greatness over extra media awards, assists & rebounds while playing safe, boring basketball to hide your weaknesses.

But that's just how i see it.

[lilteapot]

Some Laker fan you are

[Pipes2.0]

18 healthy prime seasons, eastern conference, ringchasing in his prime, bron system, stats and media awards.

Still can't tie Kobe's 5. Playing out West, 1 all star, no weaknesses, 10 healthy prime years.

Kobe's playstyle wasn't gimmicky, true winner less excuses and less media love.

Winning, true skills and greatness over extra media awards, assists & rebounds while playing safe, boring basketball to hide your weaknesses.

But that's just how i see it.

You say "Kobe's 5" but he's not even the main man on more than half of his championships. Clown.

[LAL]

You say "Kobe's 5" but he's not even the main man on more than half of his championships. Clown.

He was the man with shaq. Ofcourse didn't play in a drive and kickout system so didn't average Doncic/Harden/Westbrook numbers but close to 3peat MJ stats against better competition in a not so very stat friendly system, and dominated with shaq and third option derek fisher to a historic 3peat, they were legendary.

Those Heatles rings are worth KD's rings. Even worse imo.

[LAL]

Some Laker fan you are

All that's left is me changing my username. Got any ideas for a name?

[LAL]

Honestly i feel like i'm being little rough on lebron here. (Talking bout his game tho)

I apologize.

[Hey Yo]

18 healthy prime seasons, eastern conference, ringchasing in his prime, bron system, stats and media awards.

Still can't tie Kobe's 5. Playing out West, 1 all star, no weaknesses, 10 healthy prime years.

Kobe's playstyle wasn't gimmicky, true winner less excuses and less media love.

Winning, true skills and greatness over extra media awards, assists & rebounds while playing safe, boring basketball to hide your weaknesses.

But that's just how i see it.
You see it wrong cause James doubled up Kobe a few months ago.

4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2

[LAL]

You see it wrong cause James doubled up Kobe a few months ago.

4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2

:oldlol:

[8Ball]

Honestly i feel like i'm being little rough on lebron here. (Talking bout his game tho)

I apologize.

I accept your apology.

[PP34Deuce]

Anybody watching lebron for the first month should temper what they think until feb. Hes playing half speed out there and the turnovers come from boredom or trying to experiment. Lakers have enough depth that he literally will cruise.

[Mr. Woke]

18 healthy prime seasons, eastern conference, ringchasing in his prime, bron system, stats and media awards.

Still can't tie Kobe's 5. Playing out West, 1 all star, no weaknesses, 10 healthy prime years.

Kobe's playstyle wasn't gimmicky, true winner less excuses and less media love.

Winning, true skills and greatness over extra media awards, assists & rebounds while playing safe, boring basketball to hide your weaknesses.

But that's just how i see it.

Kobe's finals competition was weaker, and his skillset was also inferior in comparison to LeBron's skillset.

[LAL]

You would have to be a complete sucker to remain "loyal" to a franchise given how all of them wouldn't hesitate to trade you in a second if they think they would benefit as a team.
He didn't go ringchasing everytime because he was scared to be traded. He's just not that stable and professional.


I accept your apology.
thx


Anybody watching lebron for the first month should temper what they think until feb. Hes playing half speed out there and the turnovers come from boredom or trying to experiment. Lakers have enough depth that he literally will cruise.
Same ol shit, loooong ass season ahead. Yeah too early tho.
Still many more games coming up, lots of dumb shit he's about to do, many more topics to create.

[LAL]

Kobe's finals competition was weaker, and his skillset was also inferior in comparison to LeBron's skillset.

Can one of you bronstans take him aside for a minute and explain how it's done please?
He's still learning i think.

[StrongLurk]

I can understand what OP is saying from some aspects. Lebron's career is not without failures and legit criticisms for his on the court play and attitude. Also if you are a die hard Kobe stan, then it's basically impossible for you to ever stan Lebron since they have very different games and mentalities.

Me personally, I have Lebron>Kobe but I do feel Kobe is somewhat underrated. It's hard to reconcile Kobe's insane offensive skillset with his lack of total dominance in the playoffs and finals. Like yeah, he has five rings (1st one is meaningless tho), but he has WAY less 40-point scoring playoff games than MJ/Lebron and he performed at a whole tier below them in the finals.

[Jasper]

You guys can watch this regular season stat padding, chasing cheap stats and good fg%, no moves, no scoring responsibility, slow prehistoric basketball filled with excuses? While his decent teammates out there hustling, being energetic playing real ball.

That's all we're focusing on, his stats, he doesn't even have to look dominant.

Kawhi's game is better than his stats, lebron the opposite. It's gonna be a loooong ass season again i realized watching him today.

Cheating the game for 18 years now.

Merry Christmas.

Actually you are seeing a veteran player , make what his team needs at the time as well as PG duties to keep the teams flow going.
I feel as if he is not dominant but very fluid. ( appreciate him , you may not see another player of his caliber in your lifetime.

[3ball]

They both take advantage of the rules, but Lebron has been able to turn that into rings.

^^^^ Why do people say this?

The only difference between lebron and Harden is that lebron teamed up with a 3rd star or AD

Harden didn't form super-teams, otherwise he'd have a bunch of rings too - he wasn't KD's bitch (rockets were competitive), whereas lebron got stomped by the Warriors in 17' and 18'

[Elliott]

You would have to be a complete sucker to remain "loyal" to a franchise given how all of them wouldn't hesitate to trade you in a second if they think they would benefit as a team.

[Bronbron23]

You guys can watch this regular season stat padding, chasing cheap stats and good fg%, no moves, no scoring responsibility, slow prehistoric basketball filled with excuses? While his decent teammates out there hustling, being energetic playing real ball.

That's all we're focusing on, his stats, he doesn't even have to look dominant.

Kawhi's game is better than his stats, lebron the opposite. It's gonna be a loooong ass season again i realized watching him today.

Cheating the game for 18 years now.

Merry Christmas.

I disagree. Bron may not have a bag like mj or kobe but he's added a few things over the last couple of years. His step back or side step three is pretty consistent and he's actually developed a pretty good fadeaway.

Add those to his elite finishing and that's all he needs tbh.

[ThatCoolKid]

^^^^ Why do people say this?

The only difference between lebron and Harden is that lebron teamed up with a 3rd star or AD

Harden didn't form super-teams, otherwise he'd have a bunch of rings too - he wasn't KD's bitch (rockets were competitive), whereas lebron got stomped by the Warriors in 17' and 18'

2017 Cavs were the only team to take a game off the 2017 Warriors, Harden got curbstomped by the Spurs in the most embarrassing fashion I've seen a star go out in recent memory. 2-11 10 points 6 turnovers lose by 39 and Kawhi wasn't even playing lol.

2018 Cavs were trash, Harden had a great team in 2018. Lebron 2018 Game 1 was the greatest individual performance I've ever seen, refs/JR robbed the Cavs.

[Axe]

Can one of you bronstans take him aside for a minute and explain how it's done please?
He's still learning i think.
Kobe thinks the triangle is bland and boring because it wouldn't allow him to make his shots more creative, resulting in some clashes with the zenmaster but outside of phil's coaching, he never won any chips at all.

Also between '05-07, he's had two consecutive seasons in which he garnered more than 30 ppg but come playoff time, he couldn't lead his team past the first round, although a part of that is because they were facing a #2 seed phoenix team in those years; they even led 3-1 in 06 but ended up blowing it.

[Overdrive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGYf5h47pOM

That's a travel. Not that it matters in the NBA.

[3ball]

Ball dominators have the ball in their hands, so teammates can't assist them

So lebron gets personal assists but he doesn't generate assists for teammates by being an assist TARGET, and therefore fields low ball movement/low assist teams

Otoh, guys like KD, Kawhi or Kyrie get personal assists and generate assists for teammates by being assist targets in addition to ball-dominance.. so they have a more diverse (less gimmicky) on-ball/off-ball game that allows more sophisticated offensive strategy (ball movement and high team assists) and therefore higher team ceiling/Finals record

[RRR3]

Ball dominators have the ball in their hands, so teammates can't assist them

So lebron gets personal assists but he doesn't generate assists for teammates by being an assist TARGET, and therefore fields low ball movement/low assist teams

Otoh, guys like KD, Kawhi or Kyrie get personal assists and generate assists for teammates by being assist targets in addition to ball-dominance.. so they have a more diverse (less gimmicky) on-ball/off-ball game that allows more sophisticated offensive strategy (ball movement and high team assists) and therefore higher team ceiling/Finals record
LeBron has many FMVPs as everyone else you mentioned combined, I think he knows how to win.

[3ball]

LeBron has many FMVPs as everyone else you mentioned combined, I think he knows how to win.

He underachieved his goat help

Only Magic and Lebron had elite 1st options play 3rd fiddle

And only Magic/Lebron had arguably the best player in the league as a sidekick - lebron actually had 2 sidekicks like this (AD.... and 2010 Wade was #2 in PER, BPM, WS/48, and VORP, aka #2 producer in league, aka the best help possible - teaming up with 10' Wade is the same caliber as teaming up with Bird or any other top 2 player)

btw, KD joins magic/lebron as players with a best-player sidekick - aka curry - but curry's stock has fallen and his 16' accomplishments put in proper context (simply ahead of the league strategically, but everyone easily caught up)

[light]

You guys can watch this regular season stat padding, chasing cheap stats and good fg%, no moves, no scoring responsibility, slow prehistoric basketball filled with excuses? While his decent teammates out there hustling, being energetic playing real ball.

That's all we're focusing on, his stats, he doesn't even have to look dominant.

Kawhi's game is better than his stats, lebron the opposite. It's gonna be a loooong ass season again i realized watching him today.

Cheating the game for 18 years now.

Merry Christmas.

The Lakers are -9.5 with LeBron off the court.

The Lakers are +22.2 with Anthony Davis off the court.

Whatever gimmick that is, the Lakers want to start seeing more of it from AD.

[3ball]

LeBron has many FMVPs as everyone else you mentioned combined, I think he knows how to win.

Yes he colludes and stacks the deck... That's how he won

And everyone gives him a pass for it because they're bitches and swayed by Clutch Sports.. they wouldn't let anyone else get away with it

[DoctorP]

Lebrons on cruise control

Hey aint trying to tear a limb