Bernie urges DJT to sign establishment bill giving away billions to random countries

[PANTHALASSA]

But hes anti establishment yo :roll:


Owns numerous homes

Gives nothing to charity

Endorsed Joe Biden

Supports American taxpayers funding Pakistani transgender training



#ItsMillerTime

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But hes anti establishment yo :roll:


Owns numerous homes

Gives nothing to charity

Endorsed Joe Biden

Supports American taxpayers funding Pakistani transgender training



#ItsMillerTime

If you stop giving money to these countries, Chiina will

You will lose all standing on the world stage and essentially hurt your economy on the way out. 1.3 billion to Egypt isnt a donation, its a investment. If Egypt end ties with US, Chinas trade belt just got the worlds biggest runway and then what?

If you stop giving money to Pakistan, China willl, they then take standing in the region to go against a core US ally in India. If India economy weakens as a result so does the US economy. Then what?

I guess you can have this weird ideology that its better to keep Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos happy with tax breaks then it is to be a core player on the international stage, but its not really a smart one.

[PANTHALASSA]

If you stop giving money to these countries, Chiina will

You will lose all standing on the world stage and essentially hurt your economy on the way out. 1.3 billion to Egypt isnt a donation, its a investment. If Egypt end ties with US, Chinas trade belt just got the worlds biggest runway and then what?

If you stop giving money to Pakistan, China willl, they then take standing in the region to go against a core US ally in India. If India economy weakens as a result so does the US economy. Then what?

I guess you can have this weird ideology that its better to keep Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos happy with tax breaks then it is to be a core player on the international stage, but its not really a smart one.

What about a pact among leading powers that nobody develops Egypt and Pakistan etc?

What does the average American get in return for ‘developing’ Pakistan?

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What about a western pact that if China does business with Pakistan and Egypt etc, the west stops doing business with China?

What does the average American get in return for ‘developing’ Pakistan?

1) - Its impossible. If all the West cut business with China, your mobile phone would double in price, your computers would triple in price, your pharmaceuticals would literally run out. The beast has been created and its going to take a while to reign it back in. Cutting it off will be disastorous. In the end thats the fault of the last 5 US administrations. Each one let manufacturing go to China without a wimper and the problem will now take 20 years to fix

2) A ****ing ton. Pakistan is literally the most important military ally you have. Hosting military bases in Pakistan is as important as can be outside of maybe South Korea due to its proximity between your enemies as well as the forefront of a core US ally that is under threat from China with India. Without the military bases in Pakistan, the Afghan war would have been a disaster for the US for example. It would still be ongoing id say. This money is the very least you can do

Most of those against these payments are those who want China to win if you ask me. This is why a guy who pays more tax in China then the US like Donald Trump isnt a fan

[PANTHALASSA]

1) - Its impossible. If all the West cut business with China, your mobile phone would double in price, your computers would triple in price, your pharmaceuticals would literally run out. The beast has been created and its going to take a while to reign it back in. Cutting it off will be disastorous. In the end thats the fault of the last 5 US administrations. Each one let manufacturing go to China without a wimper and the problem will now take 20 years to fix

2) A ****ing ton. Pakistan is literally the most important military ally you have. Hosting military bases in Pakistan is as important as can be outside of maybe South Korea due to its proximity between your enemies as well as the forefront of a core US ally that is under threat from China with India. Without the military bases in Pakistan, the Afghan war would have been a disaster for the US for example. It would still be ongoing id say. This money is the very least you can do

Most of those against these payments are those who want China to win if you ask me. This is why a guy who pays more tax in China then the US like Donald Trump isnt a fan


If national LEADERS were willing to sign a non-development pact of the third world, it could easily be done. The West has a lot of leverage to push other powers toward such a pact, but the citizenry is too distracted by Netflix and transgender pride parades. Restructuring the American economy (not overnight obviously) would not HURT the average American in the long run. Obviously mental gymnastics like “its too late, think of the stockmarket, orange man bad” etc will be enough to convince many of such a notion. But realistically it would put more power in their own hands. Which frankly is something the average dum dum is afraid of anyway, so whatever.

2) Who says we have to ‘develop’ Pakistan to keep our military base there? Who’s going to stop us?


Lastly, the thread wasnt intended to suggest everything in the bill is without merit.

It was to suggest Bernie is without any semblance of consistency.

Hes a populist when hes trying to get elected.

When he loses his chance to be elected, he sucks establishment dick to keep himself in their good graces.

Four mortgages aint cheap after all.

[SATAN]

Dumb.

[KennyPowers]

Truth.

[Shogon]

Newsflash for the useful idiots: Bernie Sanders doesn't care about you. He doesn't ****ing care about you. At all.

There are probably less than a handful of people that are even close to that level of notoriety on the national stage that give a **** about you. They are extremely few and far between and he isn't one of them. He's a major hypocrite and a lazy piece of shit.

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If national LEADERS were willing to sign a non-development pact of the third world, it could easily be done. The West has a lot of leverage to push other powers toward such a pact, but the citizenry is too distracted by Netflix and transgender pride parades. Restructuring the American economy (not overnight obviously) would not HURT the average American in the long run. Obviously mental gymnastics like “its too late, think of the stockmarket, orange man bad” etc will be enough to convince many of such a notion. But realistically it would put more power in their own hands. Which frankly is something the average dum dum is afraid of anyway, so whatever.

2) Who says we have to ‘develop’ Pakistan to keep our military based there? Who’s going to stop us?

1) China isnt the third world. Not even close. Its more developed then the US nowadays. It cannot be easily done. If you want to figure out how to replace 70% of the worlds pharamceuticals in 1 week, then go ahead. Im all ears on that one. The only leverage the West has is to tax and replace. Tax the Nike, the Microsofts of this world to obliteration to the point where tax + Chinese manufacturing is a bigger loss then the tax + US manufacturing. They will go along eventually when it hurts them financially

2) Common sense? You want them to do you a favour without doing one yourselves? A war with Pakistan because you dont want to give them 5 billion dollars is absurd when you are carrying hundreds of billions of military equipment there. If you think Jeff Bezos is a bigger and more important ally to the US then Pakistan, you have lost the plot my friend which is kind of what you are arguing. I dont want to give Pakistan money so dont tax Jeff. How about this idea? Tax Jeff, tax Mark, give some money to Pakistan for favours with change left over to help the US people?

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Newsflash for the useful idiots: Bernie Sanders doesn't care about you. He doesn't ****ing care about you. At all.

There are probably less than a handful of people that are even close to that level of notoriety on the national stage that give a **** about you. They are extremely few and far between and he isn't one of them. He's a major hypocrite and a lazy piece of shit.

He doesnt give a shit about big business. Its more important then any other point you want to make

Its sad so many Americans care more about big business and cheap Chinese manufacturing then they do anything else

You are so afraid of Jeff and Mark, you are afraid when a guy like Bernie stands up to them. Weak

In the end the current system of influencers in order are

1. Bill Gates
2. Mark Zuckerberg
3. Jeff Bezos
4. Elon Musk
5. The President of the United States

When a guy like Bernie challenges that ranking, people like you panic. Newsflash, unless you tax big business, it will not change. Stand up and fight, dont cower in the corner

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1) China isnt the third world. Not even close. Its more developed then the US nowadays. It cannot be easily done. If you want to figure out how to replace 70% of the worlds pharamceuticals in 1 week, then go ahead. Im all ears on that one. The only leverage the West has is to tax and replace. Tax the Nike, the Microsofts of this world to obliteration to the point where tax + Chinese manufacturing is a bigger loss then the tax + US manufacturing. They will go along eventually when it hurts them financially

2) Common sense? You want them to do you a favour without doing one yourselves? A war with Pakistan because you dont want to give them 5 billion dollars is absurd when you are carrying hundreds of billions of military equipment there. If you think Jeff Bezos is a bigger and more important ally to the US then Pakistan, you have lost the plot my friend which is kind of what you are arguing. I dont want to give Pakistan money so dont tax Jeff. How about this idea? Tax Jeff, tax Mark, give some money to Pakistan for favours with change left over to help the US people?


Of course China is not third world. I said a pact between leading nations, including the west, including China, not to develop the third world. There is no moral/philosophical reason why anyone “should” push third world countries to abandon their primitive, tribal existence in favor of western shopping malls and liberal arts universities. The ONLY reason it’s done is financial, and the financial benefit that results is insanely disproportionate. I mean we sell weapons and start civil wars in these countries anyway, right? So if we dont REALLY care how theyre treated, and it‘s just for profit... why dont globalists just cut right to the chase and suggest we enslave them, and all share in the spoils, and put it to a national vote?

I mean youre right to some extent, the current approach is something of a middleground compromise. If thats what most people are able to stomach most readily, then so be it.

Point is it does NOT jive with Bernie’s current advocacy. He knows full well an “additional stimulus” is unlikely to pass anytime soon if this bill gets crammed thru. Does he care? Hell no. He needs to keep those important DC connections happy, Rooster.

[PANTHALASSA]

He doesnt give a shit about big business. Its more important then any other point you want to make

Its sad so many Americans care more about big business and cheap Chinese manufacturing then they do anything else

You are so afraid of Jeff and Mark, you are afraid when a guy like Bernie stands up to them. Weak

In the end the current system of influencers in order are

1. Bill Gates
2. Mark Zuckerberg
3. Jeff Bezos
4. Elon Musk
5. The President of the United States

When a guy like Bernie challenges that ranking, people like you panic. Newsflash, unless you tax big business, it will not change. Stand up and fight, dont cower in the corner


Couldnt make it to 400 total posts without exposing yourself as a gimmick huh?

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Of course China is not third world. I said a pact between leading nations, including the west, including China, not to develop the third world. There is no moral/philosophical reason why anyone “should” push third world countries to abandon their primitive, tribal existence in favor of western shopping malls and liberal arts universities. The ONLY reason it’s done is financial, and the financial benefit that results is insanely disproportionate. I mean we sell weapons and start civil wars in these countries anyway, right? So if we dont REALLY care how theyre treated, and it‘s just for profit... why dont globalists just cut right to the chase and suggest we enslave them, and all share in the spoils, and put it to a national vote?

I mean youre right to some extent, the current approach is something of a middleground compromise. If thats what most people are able to stomach most readily, then so be it.

Point is it does NOT jive with Bernie’s current advocacy. He knows full well an “additional stimulus” is unlikely to pass anytime soon if this bill gets crammed thru. Does he care? Hell know. He needs to keep those important DC connections happy, Rooster.

Haha, you want to be alles with China now? Im lost for words on that one. You can surrender to your enemy all you like and pretend its strength to appease yourself. Wont make it true

Bernies DC connections are much better then Republicans Wall Street connections. Bernie has his flaws but he is the only one truly standing up to big business and demanding tax changes to screw them over. Thats enough to make him a hero in my eyes. He could go out and drown puppies in front of the White House and he is still more of a hero then Moscow Mitch and his love for big business tax breaks.

Way too many people in places like this slaving to Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates and not realising it I think. Its so sad.

All these threads about Bernie, my question is. Where is your one about Jeff, Mark and Bill, and in what humanely conceivable way are they are not more scummy then Bernie?

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Couldnt make it to 400 total posts without exposing yourself as a gimmick huh?

I like to point out im not a slave to Jeff, Mark and Bill pretty quickly, yes.

[PANTHALASSA]

Bernie says those things when its easy. Either when hes running an election he’ll obviously lose, or casting a congressional (senatorial?) vote that is numerically irrelevant.

When push comes to shove and he might really burn bridges... he bends over for the big boys then toasts champagne with them. In exchange they allow him the token appearance of a hero for the downtrodden.

And to his credit, it does fool bladefd and ItsMillerTime

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The hilaruous thing I tend to find at the moment also is

"Hey guys, im anti establishment. I should post this on my Facebook profile, oh wait I heard the door knock, my Amazon echo has arrived"

Words dont make you anti establishment, actions do. THe thing is. Words are easier then actions so people like to hope words will be enough all the while picking up their Amazon package from the doorstep

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Bernie says those things when its easy. Either when hes running an election he’ll obviously lose, or casting a congressional (senatorial?) vote that is numerically irrelevant.

When push comes to shove and he might really burn bridges... he tosts champagne with the big boys. In exchange they allow him the token appearance of a hero

Of course he obviously loses. You are a slave to big business and wouldnt let it be any other way at present. Its more important for your Amazon package to be 5.95 shipping cost instead of 9.95 shipping then it is for your neighbour to have a real job.

He has never been important enough to do anything he says. Its just sad is all rather then anything else

Bernies losses arnt proof of failures. they are proof that China is currently winning which is very very frustrating

[PANTHALASSA]

Btw why did you stop using the Rooster account?

I remember you made some genuine errors (claiming the US doesn't export oil) then when it was pointed out, you just started spewing overt nonsense and non sequiturs as cover.

Are you also Doctor P? I remember he was a Bernie Bro. And he tends to do the same thing.

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Btw why did you stop using the Rooster account?

I remember you made some genuine errors (claiming the US doesn't export oil) then when it was pointed out, you just started spewing overt nonsense and non sequiturs as cover.

Are you also Doctor P? I remember he was a Bernie Bro. And he tends to do the same thing.

Nah, can check my private IP address. I only have 1 account.

Im just posting here randomly as I clicked on the wrong board and saw the random countries part of the thread title and thought id comment

So many people are against it without realizing what they are arguing against. You are arguing for China to win in all reality. Its sad and wrong. Dont let China lead the world because you were too scared to tax Jeff, Mark and Bill. Its just not worth it

[PANTHALASSA]

Nah, can check my private IP address. I only have 1 account.

Im just posting here randomly as I clicked on the wrong board and saw the random countries part of the thread title and thought id comment

So many people are against it without realizing what they are arguing against. You are arguing for China to win in all reality. Its sad and wrong. Dont let China lead the world because you were too scared to tax Jeff, Mark and Bill. Its just not worth it

Oh okay cool, I definitely believe that.

Also I wasn't arguing AGAINST it just now, I was arguing ABOUT it since you brought the topic up. Pointing out pros and cons and suggesting alternatives.

I think there was a bit of a reading comprehension hiccup. You thought this thread was about me condemning the bill. It was actually about Bernie supporting passage of the bill, when it does not include what most Americans believe is enough of a stimulus, when Bernie knows there's a good chance an additional stimulus bill doesn't come to fruition if this passes as constructed.

He could be arguing with his colleagues, INCREASE THE STIMULUS in this bill, and pass it. Instead he's telling Trump to sign the bill for $600 peanut payouts.

I thought Bernie was an economic revolutionary but I guess not :(


On the bright side, he did fool RRR3, Millertime and bladefd.

Three of the most brilliant thinkers of a generation.

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Oh okay cool, I definitely believe that.

Also I wasn't arguing AGAINST it just now, I was arguing ABOUT it. Pointing out pros and cons and suggesting alternatives.

I think there was a bit of a reading comprehension hiccup. You thought this thread was about me condemning the bill. It was actually about Bernie supporting passage of the bill, when it does not include what most Americans believe is enough of a stimulus, when Bernie knows there's a good chance an additional stimulus bill doesn't come to fruition if this passes as constructed.

He could be arguing with his colleagues, INCREASE THE STIMULUS in this bill, and pass it. Instead he's telling Trump to sign the bill for $600 peanut payouts.

I thought Bernie was an economic revolutionary but I guess not :(


On the bright side, he did fool Millertime and bladefd.

He is saying to sign the bill that was agreed too. What a mad man

Trump wants to give 2000 bucks because he knows its a easy victory. Give people more money is hardly a losing philosophy in politics. The ultimate questiion is, where does the money come from?

The common sense approach to the bill is sign it as it is and in January re convene and sign a second 1500 dollar cheque that is directly paid for via tax increases against those companies who live in US but manufacture overseas. Seems like a easy enough approach doesnt it? Its essentially what Bernie is arguing

Wanting 2000 dollars without wanting big business to pay for it is a bit of a loser mentality and very very weak.

[ItsMillerTime]

OP is a phvggot

[PANTHALASSA]

He is saying to sign the bill that was agreed too. What a mad man

Trump wants to give 2000 bucks because he knows its a easy victory. Give people more money is hardly a losing philosophy in politics. The ultimate questiion is, where does the money come from?

The common sense approach to the bill is sign it as it is and in January re convene and sign a second 1500 dollar cheque that is directly paid for via tax increases against those companies who live in US but manufacture overseas. Seems like a easy enough approach doesnt it? Its essentially what Bernie is arguing

Wanting 2000 dollars without wanting big business to pay for it is a bit of a loser mentality and very very weak.

The merits and demerits of the stimulus and the larger bill are an entirely separate discussion.

This discussion here, boy, is about Bernie supporting non-Bernie things, because Pelosi and Biden are tellin him to.


Got that? :crazysam:

[PANTHALASSA]

OP is a phvggot


It'sMillerTimeeeeeeee :roll: :roll: :roll:

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The merits and demerits of the stimulus and the larger bill are an entirely separate discussion.

This discussion here, boy, is about Bernie supporting non-Bernie things, because Pelosi and Biden are tellin him to.


Got that? :crazysam:

Trump is supporting non-Mnchunin things. The guy he hired to personally represent him :D That is much more absurd

Bernie is supporting a bandaid to a bullet wound problem. Its not really Bernie supporting non-Bernie things. Its Bernie supporting the only road left to drive down

The sad thing isnt Bernie supporting that road, the sad thing is there isnt any other alternative

[DoctorP]

Globalist politics for a global economy

[PANTHALASSA]

Globalist politics for a global economy


Hey ;)

[DoctorP]

The merits and demerits of the stimulus and the larger bill are an entirely separate discussion.

This discussion here, boy, is about Bernie supporting non-Bernie things, because Pelosi and Biden are tellin him to.


Got that? :crazysam:

Bernies a loyal democrat in the end. He didn't run as an independent.

Got that?

:lol

So dumb

[PANTHALASSA]

Bernies a loyal democrat in the end. He didn't run as an independent.

Got that?

:lol

So dumb


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GentleMisguidedBumblebee-max-1mb.gif

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I think PANTALASSA could be a Chinese bot myself if im being honest

He seems to love China a ton

Is that a thing here in regards to Chinese bots on this site? Can we check to see if PANTHALSSA is posting from China at all?

[Phong]

2) A ****ing ton. Pakistan is literally the most important military ally you have. Hosting military bases in Pakistan is as important as can be outside of maybe South Korea due to its proximity between your enemies as well as the forefront of a core US ally that is under threat from China with India. Without the military bases in Pakistan, the Afghan war would have been a disaster for the US for example. It would still be ongoing id say. This money is the very least you can do The US hasn't had a military base in Pakistan since 2011. :facepalm

[PANTHALASSA]

I think PANTALASSA could be a Chinese bot myself if im being honest

He seems to love China a ton

Is that a thing here in regards to Chinese bots on this site? Can we check to see if PANTHALSSA is posting from China at all?


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GentleMisguidedBumblebee-max-1mb.gif

[DoctorP]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GentleMisguidedBumblebee-max-1mb.gif

:lol

[DoctorP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=35DSdw7dHjs

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The US hasn't had a military base in Pakistan since 2011. :facepalm

Thats naval bases only that ended in 2011. Other bases still exist in relation to the Afghan war, including also the Taliban prison

[Phong]

Thats naval bases only that ended in 2011. Other bases still exist in relation to the Afghan war, including also the Taliban prison The base that was vacated in 2011 was a USAF and CIA joint operation; not a naval base. :facepalm

What are the name of those US Military bases you think still exist?

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The base that was vacated in 2011 was a USAF and CIA joint operation; not a naval base. :facepalm

What are the name of those US Military bases you think still exist?

That they publically acknowledge - 0

That they actually have - Plenty

You think in a war with the Taliban where the enemy is pressed in the mountain areas, the aircrafts are flying from Kabul etc to the mountains, as opposed to from the Pakistan bases which are 1/5th of the distance? If we are, we have the dumbest army in the world

India had a fair old whack against the US in regards to last year when US army officials were present when Pakistan launched a air raid against a India base in Balarat. The US doesnt really fly its flag over many military bases officially nowadays because of the issues it causes in the region ie. provides a easy target to bomb if you are a militant

[Shogon]

He doesnt give a shit about big business. Its more important then any other point you want to make

Its sad so many Americans care more about big business and cheap Chinese manufacturing then they do anything else

You are so afraid of Jeff and Mark, you are afraid when a guy like Bernie stands up to them. Weak

In the end the current system of influencers in order are

1. Bill Gates
2. Mark Zuckerberg
3. Jeff Bezos
4. Elon Musk
5. The President of the United States

When a guy like Bernie challenges that ranking, people like you panic. Newsflash, unless you tax big business, it will not change. Stand up and fight, dont cower in the corner

What the **** are you talking about? Bernie is a paper tiger. He doesn't stand for anything or anyone except himself. Keep telling yourself that he's an enemy of big business, lol. Your sentences don't even adhere to coherent thought from one to the next.

He's a lifelong, self interested opportunist that didn't want to work. Nothing more.

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What the **** are you talking about? Bernie is a paper tiger. He doesn't stand for anything or anyone except himself. Keep telling yourself that he's an enemy of big business, lol.

He's a lifelong, self interested opportunist that didn't want to work. Nothing more.

Your president took 7 months to tell people he wants 2000 dollar checks instead of 600 and Bernies the opportunist?

OK

I think Bernie is a paper tiger for sure, but thats because China is winning and keeping him down.

[Shogon]

Your president took 7 months to tell people he wants 2000 dollar checks instead of 600 and Bernies the opportunist?

OK

I think Bernie is a paper tiger for sure, but thats because China is winning and keeping him down.

Are we talking about Bernie or are we talking about someone else?

**** off, retard.

[Shogon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee8GedvPmBU

Done with this subject, peace out dipshit.

[SATAN]

Having a bad day, Shogon? :lol

[Phong]

That they publically acknowledge - 0

That they actually have - Plenty

You think in a war with the Taliban where the enemy is pressed in the mountain areas, the aircrafts are flying from Kabul etc to the mountains, as opposed to from the Pakistan bases which are 1/5th of the distance? If we are, we have the dumbest army in the world

India had a fair old whack against the US in regards to last year when US army officials were present when Pakistan launched a air raid against a India base in Balarat. The US doesnt really fly its flag over many military bases officially nowadays because of the issues it causes in the region ie. provides a easy target to bomb if you are a militantLOL OK.. so you have knowledge of secret bases in Pakistan. Which ones are they?

If they have secret bases in Pakistan, why did Operation Neptune Spear fly out of Afghanistan? The US military must be the dumbest army in the world. :confusedshrug:

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LOL OK.. so you have knowledge of secret bases in Pakistan. Which ones are they?

If they have secret bases in Pakistan, why did Operation Neptune Spear fly out of Afghanistan? The US military must be the dumbest army in the world. :confusedshrug:

So India are lieing? Why would they do that?

[Phong]

So India are lieing? Why would they do that?I can't find anything about an Indian military base in Balarat. I can't find an Indian city called Balarat either. Care to provide a link?

[Phong]

So India are lieing? Why would they do that? After doing a bit of research you must be talking about the 2019 Balakot air strike during which India bombarded the Pakistani city of Balakot.

India didn't claim there was US officials present during the air strike. They claimed that they downed a PAF F-16. That was in February 2019.

In April 2019, officials from the US Department of Defense said that all Pakistani F-16s were accounted for. Since they are responsible to oversee and maintain jet fighters sold to other countries. India threw a fit because they wanted the glory of having downed a Pakistani jet fighter.