Did the Bulls ever lose by 50pts when MJ sat and Pippen was the man?

[GrayGoat]

3ball if you ever compare Pippen to Paul George again I’ll kick your ass.

[3ball]

Unlike Pippen, George actually catches heat for playing poorly - he's held accountable because he's a real star.

Paul George didn't get coddled/groomed for 7 years and then get handed the keys to a 3-peat system in Year 8

Anyone can do okay in that optimal scenario.. heck, everyone matches 55 wins and 2nd round without the perfect scenario that pippen had (Marc Gasol, KJ, Lowry, etc - that's the caliber of player pippen was)

Btw, didn't PG13 lead a bum cast to the ECF and almost beat Wade?

Ultimately, Pippen caused losses from 88-90'... 95'... 99-03'... And he nearly caused loss in the 92' ECSF, 93' Finals (45% true shooting), and 96-98' Playoffs (17/7/5 on 41% and outplayed by everyone)

[Bronbron23]

3ball if you ever compare Pippen to Paul George again I’ll kick your ass.

No but george aint no pip and lue aint no phil

[3ball]

No but george aint no pip and lue aint no phil

Pippen sucked just like George, but no one noticed because it was all about MJ

Pippen played horrible like George all the time but never caught heat because it was all about mj

No player in history coattailed and got more undeserved accolades than pippen

His performance was Paul George or worse, so how is pippen rated so high?... RINGS... winning spotlight inflation

[97 bulls]

The correct answer is NO!!!!

[3ball]

The correct answer is NO!!!!

George wouldn't lose by 50 with a 3-peat team

Pippen was coddled and infact sucked compared to what people think he was - new fans have complete blindness and defiance to the stats and his actual performance (aids)

They gave pippen all-nba for the same reason they have old kobe all-defense every year - media habit and winning spotlight inflation

[Bronbron23]

Pippen sucked just like George, but no one noticed because it was all about MJ

Pippen played horrible like George all the time but never caught heat because it was all about mj

No player in history coattailed and got more undeserved accolades than pippen

His performance was Paul George or worse, so how is pippen rated so high?... RINGS... winning spotlight inflation

They're similar offensively but pip is way better defensively and that's no knock on George who's a good defender. It's just that pip was one of the best to ever do it. Mj was too btw.

[97 bulls]

George wouldn't lose by 50 with a 3-peat team

Pippen was coddled and infact sucked compared to what people think he was )complete blindness and defiance to the stats and his actual performance (aids)

Lol. Were the 95 Bulls a 3pt team? They never lost by 50 then.

[3ball]

They're similar offensively but pip is way better defensively and that's no knock on George who's a good defender. It's just that





Where's the evidence that pippen was the defender you claim?

He has no signature defensive performances as the primary defender - everyone got their normal stats on him and his team defense resulted in the #7 ranking during the 1st three-peat - 4 of 6 opponents in the ECF and Finals had better defenses than the 91-93' Bulls

Drexler matched Pippen in steals and blocks, while leading a better team defense despite less defensive help... pippen is an overrated bum - his defense is overrated and his offense in 90' couldn't match 09' Mo.. carry on your misperception tho





pip was one of the best to ever do it. Mj was too btw.






DPOY VOTING

1988.... MJ (1st).... Pip (none)
1989.... MJ (5th).... Pip (none)
1990.... MJ (5th).... Pip (none)
1991.... MJ (7th).... Pip (7th)
1992.... MJ (3rd).... Pip (3rd)
1993.... MJ (2nd)... Pip (none)
1996.... MJ (5th).... Pip (2nd)
1997.... MJ (5th).... Pip (4th)
1998.... MJ (4th).... Pip (9th)


^^^^ MJ was clearly considered the better defender AT THE TIME, and Pippen's defensive capabilities have been vastly overrated by revisionist historians since... :confusedshrug:...

the dpoy voting and various other sources (like the NBA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=35m00s)) confirm the actual sentiment at the time (that MJ was the Bulls' best defender)

[Bronbron23]

Where's the evidence that pippen was the defender you claim?

He has no signature defensive performances as the primary defender - everyone got their normal stats on him and his team defense resulted in the #7 ranking during the 1st three-peat - 4 of 6 opponents in the ECF and Finals had better defenses than the 91-93' Bulls

Drexler matched Pippen in steals and blocks, while leading a better team defense despite less defensive help... pippen is an overrated bum - his defense is overrated and his offense in 90' couldn't match 09' Mo.. carry on your misperception tho






DPOY VOTING

1988.... MJ (1st).... Pip (none)
1989.... MJ (5th).... Pip (none)
1990.... MJ (5th).... Pip (none)
1991.... MJ (7th).... Pip (7th)
1992.... MJ (3rd).... Pip (3rd)
1993.... MJ (2nd)... Pip (none)
1996.... MJ (5th).... Pip (2nd)
1997.... MJ (5th).... Pip (4th)
1998.... MJ (4th).... Pip (9th)


^^^^ MJ was clearly considered the better defender AT THE TIME, and Pippen's defensive capabilities have been vastly overrated by revisionist historians since... :confusedshrug:...

the dpoy voting and various other sources (like the NBA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=35m00s)) confirm the actual sentiment at the time (that MJ was the Bulls' best defender)

Well pips defense wasn't always shown in stats or analytics. It also wasn't shown in his defensive assignments numbers because if you watched pip you would know his role defensively was very unique. He helped and roamed alot. He didn't just gaurd one guy. he was absolutely a great defender. All you have to do is watch the games to see this.

[3ball]

Well pips defense wasn't always shown in stats or analytics. It also wasn't shown in his defensive assignments numbers because if you watched pip you would know his role defensively was very unique. He helped and roamed alot. He didn't just gaurd one guy. he was absolutely a great defender. All you have to do is watch the games to see this.

^^^ sounds like pure bullshit lol

So you're just going by the common narrative that people created about pippen because they couldn't compliment his offense - so his defense got over-inflated consistently

Do you realize that forwards normally guard Magic, so mj did Pippen's job for him because pippen couldn't handle such a big matchup in his first Finals... . They literally didn't want Pip to get another migraine.. :rolleyes::.. pathetic

[Bronbron23]

^^^ sounds like pure bullshit lol

So you're just going by the common narrative that people created about pippen because they couldn't compliment his offense - so his defense got over-inflated consistently

Do you realize that forwards normally guard Magic, so mj did Pippen's job for him because pippen couldn't handle such a big matchup in his first Finals... . They literally didn't want Pip to get another migraine.. :rolleyes::.. pathetic

No bruh im going by my eyes. Just go watch the games. He was absolutely the defensive anchor. You can also just listen to countless nba experts and players who praise pips defense. I guess they don't know what they're talking about either:facepalm

[k0kakw0rld]

Pippen never averaged 28 ppg. PG isn't just a Pippen.

[3ball]

No bruh im going by my eyes. Just go watch the games. He was absolutely the defensive anchor. You can also just listen to countless nba experts and players who praise pips defense. I guess they don't know what they're talking about either:facepalm

I watched all the games

Everyone got off on Pippen

There's videos of grant hill EATING pippen and then Jordan has to take over and guard pippen

Rookie Richard Dumas had a coming out party on Pippen

Jerome Kersey did whatever he wanted to Pippen

Pippen couldn't stop Barkley

A hobbled Worthy almost matched Pippen in the 91' Finals and still led the Lakers in scoring by getting his regular season stats

Schrempf and Kemp went off on pippen

Penny scored way above his regular average on Pippen in 96'



So Pippen shut down no one - who cares about roaming bullshit if your man is going off and opponents have a better team defense ... :confusedshrug:

[Bronbron23]

I watched all the games

Everyone got off on Pippen

There's videos of grant hill EATING pippen and then Jordan has to take over and guard pippen

Rookie Richard Dumas had a coming out party on Pippen

Jerome Kersey did whatever he wanted to Pippen

Pippen couldn't stop Barkley

A hobbled Worthy almost matched Pippen in the 91' Finals and still led the Lakers in scoring by getting his regular season stats

Schrempf and Kemp went off on pippen

Penny scored way above his regular average on Pippen in 96'



So Pippen shut down no one - who cares about roaming bullshit if your man is going off and opponents have a better team defense ... :confusedshrug:

It matters they almost used pip in a box and one scheme so of course his man is gonna still score. And yeah players got the best of him at times. It happened to mj also. It happens to everyone. For the most part though pip was an elite defender. But hey i guess all the experts and actual players who played against him are wrong:facepalm

[3ball]

It matters they almost used pip in a box and one scheme so of course his man is gonna still score. And yeah players got the best of him at times. It happened to mj also. It happens to everyone. For the most part though pip was an elite defender. But hey i guess all the experts and actual players who played against him are wrong:facepalm

No.. there was no box and 1..

You're making shit up because you can't provide any evidence

And mj roamed more than pippen with more steals in passing lanes, trapping, and disruption of post players

So what you're saying about pippen applies to mj... MJ was the dpoy and goat defender, who roamed while still shutting down his man!!!

[k0kakw0rld]

No.. there was no box and 1..

You're making shit up because you can't provide any evidence

And mj roamed more than pippen with more steals in passing lanes, trapping, and disruption of post players

So what you're saying about pippen applies to mj... MJ was the dpoy and goat defender, who roamed while still shutting down his man!!!
Best defender because who was he guarding?

[3ball]

Best defender because who was he guarding?


Jordan was the primary defender on:

Magic
Drexler
Payton
Miller
Isiah


Pippen was the primary defender on

Penny
Rice
Mark Jackson (slowest PG ever)


Jordan held his assignments to 35-43% shooting.

Btw, forwards are normally the primary defender on Magic, so mj did Pippen's job for him because pippen couldn't handle such a big matchup in his first Finals... . They literally didn't want Pip to get another migraine, so he was assigned spot-duty on Magic

[Bronbron23]

No.. there was no box and 1..

You're making shit up because you can't provide any evidence

And mj roamed more than pippen with more steals in passing lanes, trapping, and disruption of post players

So what you're saying about pippen applies to mj... MJ was the dpoy and goat defender, who roamed while still shutting down his man!!!

Yeah dude that's why i said almost. It obviously wasn't a box and one but the principle was similar. The other 4 had defensive assignments and pip had more freedom to roam and help. Almost the opposite of a box and 1 but u get the point. Mj did too but pip was way more versatile. He could defend all positions where mj could only gaurd 3.

And the evidence isn't necessarily in the numbers it's in the games. Just watch the games dude. How you can actually watch pip and not think he's elite defensively is crazy.

And apparently you should be a gm, coach or analyst because you know better than the actual experts

[8Ball]

3ball if you ever compare Pippen to Paul George again I’ll kick your ass.

Pippen won 55 and 59 games with Jordan sitting at home.

[light]

3ball if you ever compare Pippen to Paul George again I’ll kick your ass.

MJ probably did lose by 50 at one point without Pippen. We'd have to check but we wouldn't be surprised to find that it happened.