Can we please stop the narrative that Rodman wasnt effective in the 98 Finals?

[97 bulls]

Rodman SHUT DOWN the Jazz best player and at the time the best PF ever in Karl Malone. Forget the stats, heres the video proof. Rodman SHUT DOWN Malone in 4 of the 6 games played. These videos show every play where Rodman matched up with Malone, make or miss. Notice what the announcers are saying as well. The fact is that Jordan had PLENTY OF HELP. Rodman had a GREAT 98 FINALS!!!!

Game 1
https://youtu.be/eC0B-9Ma-8M

Game 2
https://youtu.be/eC0B-9Ma-8M

Game 3
https://youtu.be/LksCGBWXWds

Game 4
https://youtu.be/LksCGBWXWds

[3ball]

Malone averaged 25/11/4 on 50% and Rodman didn't start (Kukoc was the starter)

Rodman averaged 4/8 in that series and the Bulls would've won with anyone replacing him

He averaged 4/8 for the entire 97' Playoffs too...he was 36 years old and the same garbage that he was for the 99' Lakers, but no one noticed because da Bulls were winning

[97 bulls]

Malone averaged 25/11/4 on 50% and Rodman didn't start (Kukoc was the starter)

Rodman averaged 4/8 in that series and the Bulls would've won with anyone replacing him

He averaged 4/8 for the entire 97' Playoffs too...he was 36 years old and the same garbage that he was for the 99' Lakers, but no one noticed because da Bulls were winning

Did you even look at the videos? I know you didnt watch the games. Most of Malones points were on LONGLEY. He played like shit when Rodman checked him. The facts are the facts.

[Bronbron23]

Rodman SHUT DOWN the Jazz best player and at the time the best PF ever in Karl Malone. Forget the stats, heres the video proof. Rodman SHUT DOWN Malone in 4 of the 6 games played. These videos show every play where Rodman matched up with Malone, make or miss. Notice what the announcers are saying as well. The fact is that Jordan had PLENTY OF HELP. Rodman had a GREAT 98 FINALS!!!!

Game 1
https://youtu.be/eC0B-9Ma-8M

Game 2
https://youtu.be/eC0B-9Ma-8M

Game 3
https://youtu.be/LksCGBWXWds

Game 4
https://youtu.be/LksCGBWXWds

He was very good but let's not get carried away. If bron or anyone from this era had a teammate that put up 3/1/8 on 46% shooting he would get crucified.

[97 bulls]

He was very good but let's not get carried away. If bron or anyone from this era had a teammate that put up 3/1/8 on 46% shooting he would get crucified.

If my matchup can literally shut down the opposition's best player. I dont care if he doesnt even score a point. We need to stop the "stats over facts " narrative.

[Bronbron23]

If my matchup can literally shut down the opposition's best player. I dont care if he doesnt even score a point. We need to stop the "stats over facts " narrative.

I agree thats why i said he was very good. Numbers matter too though.

And he didn't shut down opposing players. He usually defended them well though. I remember a young shawn kemp giving him the buisness.

[97 bulls]

I agree thats why i said he was very good. Numbers matter too though.

And he didn't shut down opposing players. He usually defended them well though. I remember a young shawn kemp giving him the buisness.

If the player defending you makes you have a bad game, I'm saying you got shut down.

The narrative promoted is that Rodman had a bad Finals. The facts show otherwise. Pure basketball fans that spend so much time arguing should be able to make this distinction.

[Bronbron23]

If the player defending you makes you have a bad game, I'm saying you got shut down.

The narrative promoted is that Rodman had a bad Finals. The facts show otherwise. Pure basketball fans that spend so much time arguing should be able to make this distinction.

Well I've never said he had a bad finals. He was always really good. I just dont know i'd say he shut guys down. Shutting someone down to me means the didn't do anything and alot if Rodmans opponents did what they usually did. Kemp had one if his best series ever and malone was right around what he usually was. Maybe a bit worse. He hardly shut anyone down individually.

I praise him more for his overall team defense, rebounding and the energy he brought to the stadium and team.

[sdot_thadon]

Rodman SHUT DOWN the Jazz best player and at the time the best PF ever in Karl Malone. Forget the stats, heres the video proof. Rodman SHUT DOWN Malone in 4 of the 6 games played. These videos show every play where Rodman matched up with Malone, make or miss. Notice what the announcers are saying as well. The fact is that Jordan had PLENTY OF HELP. Rodman had a GREAT 98 FINALS!!!!

Game 1
https://youtu.be/eC0B-9Ma-8M

Game 2
https://youtu.be/eC0B-9Ma-8M

Game 3
https://youtu.be/LksCGBWXWds

Game 4
https://youtu.be/LksCGBWXWds

Nah man, screw your video evidence. MJ stopped Malone in that series, Rodman only scored 3 points a game how he gonna stop Malone like that? We all know scoring is the best defense. And if Pippen got any stops on him the credit goes to Mj too, I mean he did make Pippen after all.....

Oh yeah almost forgot. PER.

[TheCorporation]

Nah man, screw your video evidence. MJ stopped Malone in that series, Rodman only scored 3 points a game how he gonna stop Malone like that? We all know scoring is the best defense. And if Pippen got any stops on him the credit goes to Mj too, I mean he did make Pippen after all.....

Oh yeah almost forgot. PER.

:roll::roll:

[trada7029]

Rodman wasn't the starter and did spot-duty on Malone, who averaged 25/11/4 on 50% for the series

So he barely guarded Malone

no one deserves major credit for spot duty 5-10 minutes a game

Ultimately, only Rodman and Pippen get excuses made for their shit production

No other players get a pass for such shitty production

[97 bulls]

Rodman wasn't the starter and did spot-duty on Malone, who averaged 25/11/4 on 50% for the series

So he barely guarded Malone

no one deserves major credit for spot duty 5-10 minutes a game

Ultimately, only Rodman and Pippen get excuses made for their shit production

No other players get a pass for such shitty production

Stop it bro. Rodman aveeges over 30 minutes a game in that series. And every time he was on the floor, he was defending Malone. Troll. The facts are the facts. Facts over stats.

[GrayGoat]

Well if Rodman was good than MJ stans would have to admit that MJ had help

[8Ball]

Stop it bro. Rodman aveeges over 30 minutes a game in that series. And every time he was on the floor, he was defending Malone. Troll. The facts are the facts. Facts over stats.

I trust 97 bulls over any Bulls related argument. I have yet to disagree with you over anything. :cheers:

[Bronbron23]

Stop it bro. Rodman aveeges over 30 minutes a game in that series. And every time he was on the floor, he was defending Malone. Troll. The facts are the facts. Facts over stats.

Nah dude i don't think you actually watched that series because your talking shit right now. Yes rod played malone alot but the notion that he shut malone down is false for a couple reasons. The main reason is because rod rarely gaurded malone man to man. The bulls almost always doubled malone when he would get the ball on the block. I'm talking Literally almost every time. Why would they do that if rod was shutting him down? All it did was lead to wide open shots for the jazz.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bTd1kUMYr3Y here's game 6. I chose game 6 because it was the last game and the most important. I just watched the full game and here's the stats. When rod was on malone he went 5-10 from the field. Out of those 5 misses there was only 2 where he got a hand in his face. The rest were wide open good looks that malone just missed. Malone also out rebounded rod 7-5 while he was on him. Rod did have a couple nice offensive put backs that were nice offensive rebounds.

A couple takeaways on the matter after watching this game:

-the bulls didn't trust rod to shut malone down. Like i said they doubled everything.
- before watching i thought maybe rods biggest impact defensively would be like a great db in football where the offense never throws his way but this wasn't the case. The jazz were consistently trying to get the ball to malone. It was pretty much their offense because they knew rod couldn't gaurd malone straight up(bulls also onew this thats why they always doubled) so bulls were gonna have to double which would leave other guys open for shots. This happened consistently throughout the game
-last takeaway is rod was an absolute liability on offense. The jazz didn't even gaurd him. It was basically 4 on 5. It's amazing that the bulls offense was as good as it was despite this. This is a testament to MJ's who carried the majority of the scoring burden.

Anyway I'm not saying rod wasn't a great defender because he definitely was. It's just a straight up lie that he shut malone down though. Facts are facts my ass. More like lies are lies:facepalm

[Reggie43]

Rodman was still good but he was obviously slowing down because of age. The series prior he got neutralized by the Davis bros. which was one of the main reasons Pacers stretched it out to 7 games because he wasnt as effective as he once was. Still one of the smartest/best defenders and rebounders in the game though.

[Hey Yo]

Malone averaged 25/11/4 on 50% and Rodman didn't start (Kukoc was the starter)

Rodman averaged 4/8 in that series and the Bulls would've won with anyone replacing him

He averaged 4/8 for the entire 97' Playoffs too...he was 36 years old and the same garbage that he was for the 99' Lakers, but no one noticed because da Bulls were winning
Rodman >>>>>>>>>>>> 2016 Love