CP3 is 3rd all time in playoff BPM. Only behind LBJ & MJ. CP3 = top level elite

[TheCorporation]

And if you dont know, now you know

[999Guy]

Smarts of LeBron, skills and springiness of MJ.


Just in a 6’0” package.

I was thinking the other night, really springy athletes like Bledsoe, Wall, Collison, Morant, etc, are almost never extremely dexterous and loaded with the best hand eye coordination.

Chris Paul is super rare.

[Marchesk]

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Must have more titles than Kobe, right?

[SouBeachTalents]

It says he's 5th behind Kawhi & Magic, and just ahead of McGrady & Giannis

[PANTHALASSA]

Smarts of LeBron, skills and springiness of MJ.


Just in a 6’0” package.

I was thinking the other night, really springy athletes like Bledsoe, Wall, Collison, Morant, etc, are almost never extremely dexterous and loaded with the best hand eye coordination.

Chris Paul is super rare.


What?

Those guys are far more 'dexterous' and have at least as much hand-eye coordination.

They could all do what Paul does if they had as much between the ears. But they don't. That's really the main difference.

[warriorfan]

BPM is a shitty stat.

Op literally doesn’t watch basketball.

[dankok8]

CP3 being that high does more to discredit that stat than it does to elevate CP3.

[Young X]

People have his career backwards. He is supposed to be the problem. No, he is great, his teammates are losers. And that's dragged his legacy down.

In elimination games, he is the only threat. People could say whatever they want but in those games, you didn't fear anybody else on those teams.

He is the perfect example of someone making teams look way better than they are. When they ultimately lose, all the pressure is on him and gets blamed.

His teams were typically 3-7 seeds, they were very good but not championship caliber. They would be completely irrelevant if it wasn't for him. I've seen him carry teams that had no business being in the position they were in.

[999Guy]

What?

Those guys are far more 'dexterous' and have at least as much hand-eye coordination.

They could all do what Paul does if they had as much between the ears. But they don't. That's really the main difference.

Are you out of your mind? You think it takes intelligence to be able hit jumpshots at an elite level and handle the ball at an elite level, and get your hands on anything you want on defense?

Those take actual elite levels skills. Skill you could only get with natural talent as far as coordination. Spatial awareness, depth perception, hand-eye etc.

But really just shutup stupid. I should’ve just left it at that.

[highwhey]

people have his career backwards. He is supposed to be the problem. No, he is great, his teammates are losers. And that's dragged his legacy down.

In elimination games, he is the only threat. People could say whatever they want but in those games, you didn't fear anybody else on those teams.

He is the perfect example of someone making teams look way better than they are. When they ultimately lose, all the pressure is on him and gets blamed.

His teams were typically 3-7 seeds, they were very good but not championship caliber. They would be completely irrelevant if it wasn't for him. I've seen him carry teams that had no business being in the position they were in.

this.

[3ball]

People have his career backwards. He is supposed to be the problem. No, he is great, his teammates are losers. And that's dragged his legacy down.

In elimination games, he is the only threat. People could say whatever they want but in those games, you didn't fear anybody else on those teams.

He is the perfect example of someone making teams look way better than they are. When they ultimately lose, all the pressure is on him and gets blamed.

His teams were typically 3-7 seeds, they were very good but not championship caliber. They would be completely irrelevant if it wasn't for him. I've seen him carry teams that had no business being in the position they were in.


This

CP3 would've 4-peated with Wade/Bosh

However, BPM is a dumb stat because the defensive component (DBPM) is just a steals counter (Stockton ranks 8th all-time) and it's also based mainly on team defense

But cp3 is legit because his other stats are high (top 10 PER... top 5 WS/48... top 5 VORP)

[warriorfan]

This

CP3 would've 4-peated with Wade/Bosh

However, BPM is a dumb stat because the defensive component (DBPM) is just a steals counter (Stockton ranks 8th all-time) and it's also based mainly on team defense

But cp3 is legit because his other stats are high (top 10 PER... top 5 WS/48... top 5 VORP)

The creator of BPM has this to say himself


It struggles some with defense. As mentioned before, when all you have is a box score, you cannot estimate defense very well. Not including minutes per game in the regression also hampers the accuracy of the defensive estimates. In other words--take BPM with a spoonful of salt.

Lol.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/bpm2.html

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This

CP3 would've 4-peated with Wade/Bosh

However, BPM is a dumb stat because the defensive component (DBPM) is just a steals counter (Stockton ranks 8th all-time) and it's also based mainly on team defense

But cp3 is legit because his other stats are high (top 10 PER... top 5 WS/48... top 5 VORP)

Paul is also 'legit' because of BPM. It is better than winshares and VORP, dated metrics underlining cumulative totals.

BPM isn't renowed for its defense, but those stats definitely aren't either. The thing about BPM is that it adjusts a players box, separate from the team, making it higher quality than the ones you referenced.

RPM/PIPM/RAPM are even better because of regression. RAPM the best under a 2-3 year sample because its PURE impact. Or non-boxscore.

[3ball]

Paul is also 'legit' because of BPM. It is better than winshares and VORP, dated metrics underlining cumulative totals.

BPM isn't renowed for its defense, but those stats definitely aren't either. The thing about BPM is that it adjusts a players box, separate from the team, making it higher quality than the ones you referenced.

RPM/PIPM/RAPM are even better because of regression. RAPM the best under a 2-3 year sample because its PURE impact. Or non-boxscore.

No you don't get it

Bird has higher DBPM than Pippen because it's a steals and defensive rebounds counter

Stockton too.

The creators of the stat acknowledge this - they say that only the offensive component of BPM is legit (OBPM)

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

No you don't get it

Bird has higher DBPM than Pippen because it's a steals and defensive rebounds counter

Stockton too.

The creators of the stat acknowledge this - they say that only the offensive component of BPM is legit (OBPM)

You misread my post. You got to understand that on OFFENSE it is a better measure. And that's because of the adjustments it does for team and player.

BPM isn't celebrated for its defense. Like the other stats, it doesn't measure it well. But you missed that and I already explained it.

[Axe]

So the title tells us that cp3 has more impact in the playoffs than sc30? Interesting.