KD had Curry, but Lebron had the boss that DESTROYED Curry and is currently superior

[3ball]

If KD had a perceived juggernaut with Curry, why didn't lebron have one with Kyrie?

So lebron should've beaten KD in 2017 and the near-record loss looks horrible in hindsight

especially since Harden almost beat the Warriors in 18' with a worse cast than 17' lebron

All the evidence shows that lebron underachieved with Kyrie - 53 wins with Kyrie is unacceptable - it's sheer fraud to use the 53 wins as a basis for underdog status and a potential "upset" when lebron should've won about 70 with kyrie like Kawhi and Curry did at that time

[Axe]

The constant editing of op's posts is very hard to overlook

[3ball]

The constant editing of op's posts is very hard to overlook

The thread title flows right into the first couple sentences

Should be a pretty simple topic and easy to respond to

[Real Men Wear Green]

So let's say Irving is better than Curry now. Does that mean he was better than Curry when he was with James?

[SouBeachTalents]

Only an absolute retard would believe Kyrie was better than Curry :oldlol:

Yeah, Kyrie busted his ass in 2016, but a 7 game sample size doesn't overshadow a decade's worth of evidence for each that points to Curry being the unquestionably superior & more valuable player

And I guess we'll just ignore Klay, Dray & Iggy were on the team too :lol

[3ball]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bf/ee/aa/bfeeaaadea68fd83b0e71565c9cfae67.jpg



So let's say Irving is better than Curry now. Does that mean he was better than Curry when he was with James?


Curry is a system player and not a pure scorer, so Kyrie has always been superior and it showed in the 2016 Finals when Kyrie displayed a goat/wilt ceiling (above) - far superior to Curry... Curry was just lucky that his team had a strategic edge in 16' that boosted him in the regular season

[tpols]

So let's say Irving is better than Curry now. Does that mean he was better than Curry when he was with James?

He literally outplayed him H2H in the Finals.

[ShawkFactory]

He literally outplayed him H2H in the Finals.

So you think that Kyrie is/was better than Curry?

[tpols]

So you think that Kyrie is/was better than Curry?

In the playoffs that year he was. And if you averaged out '16 and '17 H2H he was probably better as well.

[ShawkFactory]

Also, the Warriors won 67 games in 2017.

Clearly that means that KD is worth -6 wins.

[ShawkFactory]

In the playoffs that year he was. And if you averaged out '16 and '17 H2H he was probably better as well.
Curry had to carry his teams offensive load. Kyrie did not.

They were in completely different scenarios in 2016.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Giannis wiped the floor with Tatum/Irving and then Kawhi wiped the floor with Giannis.

Lets see what Irving can do in the playoffs without LeBron, he sucked in 2019 playoffs. If Irving can at least make the finals with Durant, then your argument will have a lot more substance.

[Baller789]

The constant editing of op's posts is very hard to overlook

^1st :oldlol:

[GrayGoat]

The constant editing of op's posts is very hard to overlook

Agree. Op seems bamboozled

[NBAGOAT]

i'll make the prediction, kyrie wont be better than curry this year.

[8Ball]

If KD had a perceived juggernaut with Curry, why didn't lebron have one with Kyrie?

So lebron should've beaten KD in 2017 and the near-record loss looks horrible in hindsight

especially since Harden almost beat the Warriors in 18' with a worse cast than 17' lebron

All the evidence shows that lebron underachieved with Kyrie - 53 wins with Kyrie is unacceptable - it's sheer fraud to use the 53 wins as a basis for underdog status and a potential "upset" when lebron should've won about 70 with kyrie like Kawhi and Curry did at that time

Jordan never won 55 games without Pippen.

[dankok8]

Jordan never won 55 games without Pippen.

Pippen won 55 with Horace Grant. Lebron could only win 53 with Kyrie... Pippen > Lebron? :confusedshrug:

Trolling is fun!

[tpols]

i'll make the prediction, kyrie wont be better than curry this year.

Kyrie is averaging 28/6/4 on a ridiculous 131 ORTG this year. We've just begun... but damn. He is lighting it the **** up and I havent been watching.

[NBAGOAT]

Kyrie is averaging 28/6/4 on a ridiculous 131 ORTG this year. We've just begun... but damn. He is lighting it the **** up and I havent been watching.

yea he's been better so far no doubt and possibly better than kd even. curry's been ok but off from 3 and having to take harder shots than usual. I'm just saying I think curry gets better(draymond's passing will help him get better shots) and kyrie will cool off a bit though he'll be great(could outscore kd). I mean at least kyrie's not going keep shooting 60% from midrange and 47% from 3.

[RRR3]

Ttrolls making assumptions based on 4 games. Can’t make this shit up.

[dawsey6]

I must have had glands that produce LSD all my life because I swear this ***** 3ball just made it seem like the NBA is 2v2 instead of 12-15 player teams with coaches, GMs, owners, contracts, culture, and evolving strategic philosophies.

I better see a doc about that:lol:lol:lol

[tpols]

I must have had glands that produce LSD all my life because I swear this ***** 3ball just made it seem like the NBA is 2v2 instead of 12-15 player teams with coaches, GMs, owners, contracts, culture, and evolving strategic philosophies.

I better see a doc about that:lol:lol:lol

The Cavs were championship favorites going into 2015 and 2016 yet people in hindsight say they weren't. (they lie) We see the same lying agenda with the Heat now too... Wade doesn't count. Again... the betting public all put their money on Cleveland even after the Warriors beat them in 2015. That's how stacked they were overall.

[3ball]

I must have had glands that produce LSD all my life because I swear this ***** 3ball just made it seem like the NBA is 2v2 instead of 12-15 player teams with coaches, GMs, owners, contracts, culture, and evolving strategic philosophies.

I better see a doc about that:lol:lol:lol


The bolded above equals ORGANIC growth, which lebron avoids by team-hopping

So don't give me that bulljive

Lebron never develops the things you mentioned, aka culture, philosophy, growing young players, etc. because he's a team-hopper/talent-based winner..

And his talent-based approach (team-hopping) is due to a skill deficit.. his skillset imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (team-hopping, talent-based winning)..

otoh, if he incorporated a more assisted skillset, this would put the ball in young players' hands (Ingram, Pippen), thereby allowing them to grow to full capacity, aka max team ceiling, 6/6

[GrayGoat]

The bolded above equals ORGANIC growth, which lebron avoids by team-hopping

So don't give me that bulljive

Lebron never develops the things you mentioned, aka culture, philosophy, growing young players, etc. because he's a team-hopper/talent-based winner..

And his talent-based approach (team-hopping) is due to a skill deficit.. his skillset imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (team-hopping, talent-based winning)
LeBron organically won with the Lakers. Took them from lottery to champions

[3ball]

LeBron organically won with the Lakers. Took them from lottery to champions


Lebron never developed any young players or a championship philosophy

He wins with 1st year coaches like Vogel or Lue because he's a talent-based winner that wins in years that he has sufficient extra talent (aka kyrie over curry/klay) to offset his suboptimal ball-dominance

And he never developed any young players because he himself can't play the off-ball "shooter" role (assisted skillset), which would put the ball in young players like Pippen's hands (or Ingram's.. or Hughes.. or Wade's.. or IT's.. or Rose's).

Obviously, if lebron's game allowed them to grow to full capacity and use the best strategy/brand, then he would max team ceiling, aka 6/6

[GrayGoat]

LeBron just knows how to resurrect dead franchises

[Thenameless]

Curry is a two time MVP. Possibly the best shooter who ever lived. What's Kyrie done without Lebron again? What happened again with him in Boston? Kyrie's got flashy handles, and is a pretty good shooter. One is clearly better than the other.

[8Ball]

Pippen won 55 with Horace Grant. Lebron could only win 53 with Kyrie... Pippen > Lebron? :confusedshrug:

Trolling is fun!

yeah?

This entire thread is a troll.

LeBron won 66 and 62 with a bunch of corpses.

[sdot_thadon]

LeBron organically won with the Lakers. Took them from lottery to champions

No way man, he's right. Lebron could never develop and mold a young team the way Mj did with the Wizards....

[ArbitraryWater]

The constant editing of op's posts is very hard to overlook

when did u become a savage?

your posts are all on point all of a sudden

[Stanley Kobrick]

when did u become a savage?

your posts are all on point all of a sudden
:cheers:

[dawsey6]

The bolded above equals ORGANIC growth, which lebron avoids by team-hopping

So don't give me that bulljive

Lebron never develops the things you mentioned, aka culture, philosophy, growing young players, etc. because he's a team-hopper/talent-based winner..

And his talent-based approach (team-hopping) is due to a skill deficit.. his skillset imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (team-hopping, talent-based winning)..

otoh, if he incorporated a more assisted skillset, this would put the ball in young players' hands (Ingram, Pippen), thereby allowing them to grow to full capacity, aka max team ceiling, 6/6

The irony of you saying bulljive in trying to dismantle Lebron's credibility will never be lost on me :roll:

The organizations are very capable of making the decision to win now while they have the greatest player in the world under contract. Do you really think that if a 30-yo Micheal Jordan were traded to another team that said team would create a 7-year plan to "grow the team organically"? **** no.

You'll mention Vogel, or Ingram, or Kyrie if it means you can discredit Lebron. You'd otherwise pretend superstar players are out there by themselves putting up numbers against each other with no external major and minor influences. Which is cool I guess as long as you are taking those drugs responsibly. Also, a more "assisted" skillset? That would "put the ball in young players' hands"? Really? Talking about the most pass-first superstar of this generation? You sure you wanted to land on that? :rolleyes:

If you don't believe he's the GOAT that's one thing, but for you to dedicate every post you type to ISH to proving how purely detrimental he is to every team he plays on?
:kobe: :kobe: :kobe:

[dawsey6]

The Cavs were championship favorites going into 2015 and 2016 yet people in hindsight say they weren't. (they lie) We see the same lying agenda with the Heat now too... Wade doesn't count. Again... the betting public all put their money on Cleveland even after the Warriors beat them in 2015. That's how stacked they were overall.

That speaks more to people's perception of what Lebron is capable of doing rather than how "stacked" the team was. Those Cavs were very good teams, but don't kid yourself saying they were favored against the Warriors. If before the start of the uncharted 9-month season a team is favored to win, it's a completely different story than whether you are favored to win going into a Finals matchup in the final two weeks of the season. In this case, hindsight is literally to the hypothetical vs. the reality of how a team has actually grown and whether they can manage 4 wins first, which depends on the many people involved on the team. Just because you're Team Captain doesn't mean everything the team does falls on you.

[Kings2024Champs]

So you think that Kyrie is/was better than Curry?

Imagine thinking cavs without klove and after game 1 no kyrie were favorites. Bottom tier trolling. Not addressing ppl who ignore klay and draymond just to compare kd/bron curry/kyrie

[Kings2024Champs]

Didnt mean to quote btw

[Hey Yo]

He literally outplayed him H2H in the Finals.

Why all of a sudden you not crying about Curry being injured in 2016?

Kyrie torching an alleged gimp is impressive to you now?

[Kings2024Champs]

Btw.. what is talent based winning? Name a team without talent that has won. The Nba is unique compared to other sports in the US that the nba champion is usually the most talented team. You dont see that in MLB, NFL, NHL. Maybe dribble master champion hooper can explain that to me

[pandiani17]

Giannis wiped the floor with Tatum/Irving and then Kawhi wiped the floor with Giannis.

Lets see what Irving can do in the playoffs without LeBron, he sucked in 2019 playoffs. If Irving can at least make the finals with Durant, then your argument will have a lot more substance.

This. Irving's legacy is not defined yet, and for better or for worse, it will impact on how the 2016 ring is looked at. If he has success in the future, it will diminish the value of LeBron's monster finals' performance. Otherwise, it will be assumed that LeBron beat a 73-win team with not very much help.

[pandiani17]

The Cavs were championship favorites going into 2015 and 2016 yet people in hindsight say they weren't. (they lie) We see the same lying agenda with the Heat now too... Wade doesn't count. Again... the betting public all put their money on Cleveland even after the Warriors beat them in 2015. That's how stacked they were overall.

Are you joking? Were they favorites in 2016 against the 73-win Warriors? And in 2015 they didn't have Love who was injured, therefore the Warriors were the favorites. The only thing that favored the Cavs was the Warriors inexperience, as seen in games 1 & 3 of the series. But overall, the Dubs had a much better team with The Splash Bro's, Harrison Barnes, Iggy, Draymond Green, Andrew Bogut or David Lee. The Cavs had LeBron, Irving, Dellavedova, Mozgov, etc.

[light]

If KD had a perceived juggernaut with Curry, why didn't lebron have one with Kyrie?

So lebron should've beaten KD in 2017 and the near-record loss looks horrible in hindsight

especially since Harden almost beat the Warriors in 18' with a worse cast than 17' lebron

All the evidence shows that lebron underachieved with Kyrie - 53 wins with Kyrie is unacceptable - it's sheer fraud to use the 53 wins as a basis for underdog status and a potential "upset" when lebron should've won about 70 with kyrie like Kawhi and Curry did at that time

Kyrie is not as good as LeBron, KD or Curry, that's why.

Those are three MVPs. Kyrie is a relative nobody historically compared to them.

[Stephonit]

Cavaliers 2016 Preseason Odds: Championship +280
Warriors 2016 Preseason Odds: Championship +480

2016 NBA GM Survey:

Which team will win the 2016 NBA Finals?

1. Cleveland, 53.6%
2. San Antonio, 25.0%
3. Golden State, 17.9%
4. Oklahoma City, 3.6%

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2015/10/20/breaking-down-annual-gm-survey-2015-2016-season/74278726/

[8Ball]

Cavaliers 2016 Preseason Odds: Championship +280
Warriors 2016 Preseason Odds: Championship +480

2016 NBA GM Survey:

Which team will win the 2016 NBA Finals?

1. Cleveland, 53.6%
2. San Antonio, 25.0%
3. Golden State, 17.9%
4. Oklahoma City, 3.6%

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2015/10/20/breaking-down-annual-gm-survey-2015-2016-season/74278726/

After Game 4

Cavaliers +1100
Warriors -2500

:banana:

[Bankaii]

Curry would average 30+ on insane efficiency if he was playing with lebron.
Swap Kyrie and Curry in the 2016 Finals and it’s just a massacre.
Y’all don’t know how much of a difference being the first option vs the 2nd option (behind one of the GOATs) makes.

[Gudo]

Curry still had the better team those years so credit to lebron and squad for winning one

[Stephonit]

After Game 4

Cavaliers +1100
Warriors -2500

:banana:

Warriors 2015 Preseason Championship Odds: +2800

Thank you for confirming that Curry leading his team to a championship in 2015 was greater than what is commonly believed to be the inferior player's greatest accomplishment.


Curry still had the better team those years so credit to lebron and squad for winning one

Kyrie is a top ten career scorer in the finals. Which teammate matched that on Curry's side?

[tpols]

Are you joking? Were they favorites in 2016 against the 73-win Warriors? And in 2015 they didn't have Love who was injured, therefore the Warriors were the favorites. The only thing that favored the Cavs was the Warriors inexperience, as seen in games 1 & 3 of the series. But overall, the Dubs had a much better team with The Splash Bro's, Harrison Barnes, Iggy, Draymond Green, Andrew Bogut or David Lee. The Cavs had LeBron, Irving, Dellavedova, Mozgov, etc.

None of what you just typed is true. Cavs were +280 title favorites before the season began in 2016.

[Gus Hemmingway]

None of what you just typed is true. Cavs were +280 title favorites before the season began in 2016.

And Lakers were underdogs to the Clippers last season

Your point?

[ELITEpower23]

Only an absolute retard would believe Kyrie was better than Curry :oldlol:

Yeah, Kyrie busted his ass in 2016, but a 7 game sample size doesn't overshadow a decade's worth of evidence for each that points to Curry being the unquestionably superior & more valuable player

And I guess we'll just ignore Klay, Dray & Iggy were on the team too :lol

+1

Has Kyrie made an All NBA team yet? :oldlol:

Keep up OP, you're lagging behind with your low IQ takes.

[ELITEpower23]

I must have had glands that produce LSD all my life because I swear this ***** 3ball just made it seem like the NBA is 2v2 instead of 12-15 player teams with coaches, GMs, owners, contracts, culture, and evolving strategic philosophies.

I better see a doc about that:lol:lol:lol

You'll have to forgive him, he is the resident retard round' these parts.

[CTbasketball92]

Damn 3Ball why are you so dedicated to tearing LeBron down lol.

Those Cavs teams weren't particularly well built to maximize two-way play. They got a bunch of shooters who couldn't play defense and that was it. So they had to coast during the regular season, hence the relatively pedestrian record.

I think this will be Kyrie's best season, but he'll never be an MVP or have a season as a top 5 player. Top 10 at best.

[DoctorP]

Answer to op is simple. This ain't nba jam. Its 5 on 5.

[DoctorP]

What a retard

[Axe]

^1st :oldlol:
Stfu welfarefan ./.

[Stanley Kobrick]

to be fair everyone destroys stephen curry in the finals. van vleet, dellavedova, etc

[Baller789]

Stfu welfarefan ./.
https://i.ibb.co/Kz6y7jR/tenor.gif (https://imgbb.com/)

[3ball]

Damn 3Ball why are you so dedicated to tearing LeBron down lol.

Those Cavs teams weren't particularly well built to maximize two-way play. They got a bunch of shooters who couldn't play defense and that was it. So they had to coast during the regular season, hence the relatively pedestrian record.

I think this will be Kyrie's best season, but he'll never be an MVP or have a season as a top 5 player. Top 10 at best.





^^^ you mean like Kerr, Paxson, BJ, or Hodges?.. Jordan always had less athletic guard teammates than Lebron (Shumpert, Hughes, Delonte, Allen, Chalmers, everyone), which is partly why Lebron's 06-10' teams had better team defenses than 85-93' Jordan.

Btw, what separates Curry is that none of the players that compare to him are goat-level catch-and-shoot players - Lillard, Trae, and others don't have Reggie Miller/Klay Thompson catch-and-shoot ability and dominate the ball more than Curry... So it's no surprise that Curry's teams move the ball better.

However, Curry's catch-and-shoot ability is offset by a less dominant rim attack than Lillard and other PG's, even Trae.

Meanwhile, Kyrie is the best of all worlds - a truly elite rim attack and shooter whose time of possession (ball-dominance) is similar to Curry's and far below the Lillard's and westbrook's of the world... Kyrie's scoring diversity is why he plays best at the championship level, while Curry can turn into a sub-par player

[Kiddlovesnets]

So let's say Irving is better than Curry now. Does that mean he was better than Curry when he was with James?

Overall Curry was the better player from 2015-2017, but during the matchups Irving always destroyed Curry, as evident in 2016. Irving is a matchup nightmare to Curry, like Deron was to CP3.

[3ball]

None of what you just typed is true. Cavs were +280 title favorites before the season began in 2016.


In 2014, Kyrie was all-star MVP and Love was all-nba, while Klay wasn't even an all-star until 2015..

so the Cavs were considered a better assemblage of talent and infact a goat assemblage, according to 538:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-15-2019/hYQBCO.gif

[Axe]

Overall Curry was the better player from 2015-2017, but during the matchups Irving always destroyed Curry, as evident in 2016. Irving is a matchup nightmare to Curry, like Deron was to CP3.
Is that a good reason why klay guarded him instead? So curry will have more freedom in making more wide, open long shots that aren't that iconic?

[3ball]

In 2014, Kyrie was all-star MVP and Love was all-nba, while Klay wasn't even an all-star until 2015..

so the Cavs were considered a better assemblage of talent and infact a goat assemblage, according to 538:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-15-2019/hYQBCO.gif





Notice the Cavs and Heat underachieved their OFFENSIVE projection (bron-ball), not the defensive expectation

[SATAN]

Pippen

[3ball]

The irony of you saying bulljive in trying to dismantle Lebron's credibility will never be lost on me :roll:

The organizations are very capable of making the decision to win now while they have the greatest player in the world under contract. Do you really think that if a 30-yo Micheal Jordan were traded to another team that said team would create a 7-year plan to "grow the team organically"? **** no.





^^^ more bulljive .. Lebron team-hopped when he was 26, the year that Dirk won with a 1-star, organic team

Lebron's Cavs would've been league favorites in 2011 for the 3rd year running and massive favorites over Dirk... with the defense and organic chemistry to beat those Mavs





You'll mention Vogel, or Ingram, or Kyrie if it means you can discredit Lebron. You'd otherwise pretend superstar players are out there by themselves putting up numbers against each other with no external major and minor influences. Which is cool I guess as long as you are taking those drugs responsibly.





Lebron was a 1-trick pony before the "decision" with 1 Finals run like Iverson, Dwight and Kidd.. Then he was elevated to champion by teaming up with Wade, Kyrie and AD.






Also, a more "assisted" skillset? That would "put the ball in young players' hands"? Really? Talking about the most pass-first superstar of this generation? You sure you wanted to land on that? :rolleyes:





Lebron isn't an assist target because he always has the ball in his hands.. ball-dominance kills ball movement, so the team ranks low in assists... Who cares about lebron's personal assists if his skillset yields low assist TEAMS and inferior offenses (due to inferior strategy/weak ball movement)






If you don't believe he's the GOAT that's one thing, but for you to dedicate every post you type to ISH to proving how purely detrimental he is to every team he plays on?
:kobe: :kobe: :kobe:





He's detrimental compared to Jordan, Bird and others... heck, guys like CP3 or Dirk would go 4/4 after teaming up with Wade/Bosh

So there's a lot of misperception about his game that needs to be said.. his ball-dominant (john wall) skillset is perceived as "genius" because he's 6'9".. his physical talent is conflated with skill despite sub-par jumpshooting skill and weak ball movement teams/low assist teams... And zero #1 offenses in 18 years

[SATAN]

This guy might have been a productive member of society if MJ never existed :biggums:

[TheImmortal]

Only an absolute LeBrontard would believe Curry was better than Kyrie back in 2017.. Kyrie played lockdown defense on Curry while said Curry hid behind Klay to guard Kyrie. Further, Kyrie had better numbers in the finals and had the game winning shot. Only a legit LeBrontard or a Durant hater would say otherwise.

[NBAGOAT]

Only an absolute LeBrontard would believe Curry was better than Kyrie back in 2017.. Kyrie played lockdown defense on Curry while said Curry hid behind Klay to guard Kyrie. Further, Kyrie had better numbers in the finals and had the game winning shot. Only a legit LeBrontard or a Durant hater would say otherwise.

2017 finals:

Curry: 26.8/8/9.4 61.9ts% 24.1 gmsc
Irving: 29.4/4/4.4 55.8ts% 18.2 gmsc

You’re the idiot if you think irving put up better numbers in the finals lol. It wasn’t a bold prediction at all but me saying curry>Irving this year is looking much better now. Curry is a perennial mvp candidate, kyries likely not a top ten player this year

[SouBeachTalents]

Only an absolute LeBrontard would believe Curry was better than Kyrie back in 2017.. Kyrie played lockdown defense on Curry while said Curry hid behind Klay to guard Kyrie. Further, Kyrie had better numbers in the finals and had the game winning shot. Only a legit LeBrontard or a Durant hater would say otherwise.
This dude calling other people retards and doesn't even know which season the Cavs won the title :oldlol:

[NBAGOAT]

This dude calling other people retards and doesn't even know which season the Cavs won the title :oldlol:

Ah that was his mistake. If he’s talking about 16, why is he bringing up durant?

[SouBeachTalents]

Ah that was his mistake. If he’s talking about 16, why is he bringing up durant?
It reminds me a lot of politics, people become SO entrenched in their beliefs they will ignore all facts and distort reality to fit their worldview. I mean this thread is actually arguing that not only were the Cavs a more talented team than the Durant Warriors, but that Kyrie is a better player than an unanimous MVP & the spearhead of a 73 win team because of a 7 game sample size

3ball has devoted so much time and effort into downplaying LeBron he's still claiming a 4x MVP/4x FMVP isn't even a top 10 player of all time :lol There's no reasoning with a person like that, they will never change their minds no matter what evidence is presented in front of them

[tpols]

It is funny how everyone freaked out about Curry and Durant playing together, but nobody bats an eye at Kawhi and PG13 or LeBron and AD.

Curry is so OP, if you give him even one other superstar, there's a fan wide panic. Meanwhile these other guys team hop and do it, but nobody cares.

[Gus Hemmingway]

It is funny how everyone freaked out about Curry and Durant playing together, but nobody bats an eye at Kawhi and PG13 or LeBron and AD.

Curry is so OP, if you give him even one other superstar, there's a fan wide panic. Meanwhile these other guys team hop and do it, but nobody cares.

That team without Durant was a 73 win team (Klay, Dray, Iggy)

Is LeBron's Lakers without AD a 73 win team?

Be smarter, dummy

[SouBeachTalents]

It is funny how everyone freaked out about Curry and Durant playing together, but nobody bats an eye at Kawhi and PG13 or LeBron and AD.

Curry is so OP, if you give him even one other superstar, there's a fan wide panic. Meanwhile these other guys team hop and do it, but nobody cares.
Now compare the 3rd/4th/5th best players on each team

[tpols]

Now compare the 3rd/4th/5th best players on each team

Dwight and Rondo are all star talents that played tremendously in the playoffs.

The Clipper bench was touted as one of, if not the best in the league with two 6MOY winners.

So what's up?

[3ball]

Now compare the 3rd/4th/5th best players on each team


Kyrie destroyed Curry in 16', so lebron had to outplay.... Klay???... lol... tough path my ass

It's impossible to lose when your sidekick is destroying the opponent's "jordan".. I guarantee the 93' Bulls lose if KJ is destroying MJ like Kyrie did Curry.. or if Rik Smits outplays Shaq in 2000, then Reggie Miller would've had his 1st ring

Ultimately, Kyrie > Curry on the championship level

Lebron > Klay

Love > Draystem

Everyone else is "others" with negligible gaps between them

[SouBeachTalents]

Dwight and Rondo are all star talents that played tremendously in the playoffs.

The Clipper bench was touted as one of, if not the best in the league with two 6MOY winners.

So what's up?
All-star talents? Those dudes haven't made the all-star team in SEVEN years :oldlol: But fck it, let's see you try arguing 2020 Rondo/Dwight are as good as '17 Klay/Dray, it'll be very amusing to see you try

And the Clippers were definitely deep, but Klay/Dray/Iggy > Lou/Harrell/Beverley, while Durant or Curry absolutely shits on PG, who's an entire tier or two below them

[SouBeachTalents]

Kyrie destroyed Curry in 16', so lebron had to outplay.... Klay???... lol... tough path my ass

It's impossible to lose when your sidekick is destroying the opponent's "jordan".. I guarantee the 93' Bulls lose if KJ is destroying MJ like Kyrie did Curry.. or if Rik Smits outplays Shaq in 2000, then Reggie Miller would've had his 1st ring

Ultimately, Kyrie > Curry on the championship level

Lebron > Klay

Love > Draystem

Everyone else is "others" with negligible gaps between them
While no one took you that seriously before, you lost ALL credibility with your Oubre thread, which proves you have absolutely no idea what you're talking

[3ball]

While no one took you that seriously before, you lost ALL credibility with your Oubre thread, which proves you have absolutely no idea what you're talking


You're deflecting, which means my post was valid and irrefutable - so I bookmarked that post - it's on the copy-and-paste list of irrefutable posts.. thank you sir for vetting it

[tpols]

All-star talents? Those dudes haven't made the all-star team in SEVEN years :oldlol: But fck it, let's see you try arguing 2020 Rondo/Dwight are as good as '17 Klay/Dray, it'll be very amusing to see you try

And the Clippers were definitely deep, but Klay/Dray/Iggy > Lou/Harrell/Beverley, while Durant or Curry absolutely shits on PG, who's an entire tier or two below them

Dwight and Rondo played extremely well in the playoffs.

Both of their numbers are even more elite than klay or dray in the KD/Curry era.

Why are you denying reality?

[SouBeachTalents]

My favorite part is 3ball uses the 2016 Finals to determine Kyrie > Curry, yet refuses to acknowledge that Love averaged 8.5 points on 47%TS in that very same series :lol He drones on and on about how Kyrie outplayed Curry yet not a peep about how Dray nearly doubled Love's ppg in that series

[3ball]

My favorite part is 3ball uses the 2016 Finals to determine Kyrie > Curry, yet refuses to acknowledge that Love averaged 8.5 points on 47%TS in that very same series :lol He drones on and on about how Kyrie outplayed Curry yet not a peep about how Dray nearly doubled Love's ppg in that series

Everyone knows love was hurt in that series

Again:

Kyrie > Curry on the championship level

Lebron > Klay

Love > Mr. 2 ppg (Draystem)



The Cavs' superior talent is why they were favored heading into the 15' and 16' seasons

[tpols]

My favorite part is 3ball uses the 2016 Finals to determine Kyrie > Curry, yet refuses to acknowledge that Love averaged 8.5 points on 47%TS in that very same series :lol He drones on and on about how Kyrie outplayed Curry yet not a peep about how Dray nearly doubled Love's ppg in that series

Love was frozen out and had his career destroyed by Cleveland. And that's crazy to ponder since he came from Minnesota which is a notorious player wasteland. The Cavaliers ruined him.

[aj1987]

Dwight and Rondo played extremely well in the playoffs.

Both of their numbers are even more elite than klay or dray in the KD/Curry era.

Why are you denying reality?

How ****ing stupid are you?

Dwight in the PO's in '20 - 6/5/1 (with some extremely generous rounding)

Rondo in the PO's in '20 - 9/4/7/1

Klay with KD on the team - 19/4/2/1 (Klay by himself had 4 more points than Rondo and Dwight combined)

Draymond with KD on the team - 12/10/8/2/2

Not to mention the FACT that Draymond was the DPOY and Klay was All-Def.


Everyone knows love was hurt in that series

Again:

Kyrie > Curry on the championship level

Lebron > Klay

Love > Mr. 2 ppg (Draystem)

The Cavs' superior talent is why they were favored heading into the 15' and 16' seasons

Love was injured, huh? Funny how you brought that up now, retard. :cheers:

[tpols]

You're not looking at impact.

Rondo and Dwight both have huge positive splits. Kelly Oubre put up big volume stats last year. We see now? He sucks. Impact. Rondo and Dwight had tons of it and that's on TOP of Kareem and Magic. (AD and LeBron)

So you're bullshitting. Lakers were super stacked, but people have lower expectations for Bran.

If Curry gets to play with another superstar everybody flips out.

[warriorfan]

Everyone knows love was hurt in that series

Again:

Kyrie > Curry on the championship level

Lebron > Klay

Love > Mr. 2 ppg (Draystem)



The Cavs' superior talent is why they were favored heading into the 15' and 16' seasons

:roll:

Seek professional help.

[3ball]

:roll:

Seek professional help.


Career Finals Average

Lebron.... 28
Kyrie....... 28

Curry...... 26


So Kyrie > Curry on the championship level.... And lebron > klay... Love > Dray...

Yet the Cavs were blown away by near record amount in 17'... :facepalm:...

Cavs should've won but somehow Lebron lost with Kyrie frieking Irving as a sidekick.. amazing talent, but shit brand/strategy... :confusedshrug:

[warriorfan]

Career Finals Average

Lebron.... 28
Kyrie....... 28

Curry...... 26


So Kyrie > Curry on the championship level.... And lebron > klay... Love > Dray...

Yet the Cavs were blown away by near record amount in 17'... :facepalm:...

Cavs should've won but somehow Lebron lost with Kyrie frieking Irving as a sidekick.. amazing talent, but shit brand/strategy... :confusedshrug:

Seek help. Seriously.

You don’t have to live like this.

Good luck buddy :cheers:

[aj1987]

You're not looking at impact.

Rondo and Dwight both have huge positive splits. Kelly Oubre put up big volume stats last year. We see now? He sucks. Impact. Rondo and Dwight had tons of it and that's on TOP of Kareem and Magic. (AD and LeBron)

So you're bullshitting. Lakers were super stacked, but people have lower expectations for Bran.

If Curry gets to play with another superstar everybody flips out.

You got caught lying and now you're just talking out your ass.

The Warriors outside KD and Curry were significantly better than the Lakers outside LeBron and AD. If you think otherwise, you're either a troll or just straight up clinically retarded.

Klay and Dray and literally All-Stars, All-NBA, and All-Def.

Dwight was a glorified role player who played around 10 mintues a game and missed pretty much the entire Houston series.

Rondo missed the entire Portland series and the Lakers absolutely wrecked the Blazers.

I honestly can't believe that you think Dwight and Rondo are equal to Green and Klay.

:facepalm :facepalm

[3ball]

Seek help. Seriously.

You don’t have to live like this.

Good luck buddy :cheers:


Curry gets weaker on the Finals level and Kyrie did destroy him... these are historical facts

So with Kyrie cancelling out Curry.... and Lebron > Klay.... And Love > Dray...

How am I wrong???... it's all facts, so you need help for denial of reality... Good luck bud

[warriorfan]

Curry gets weaker on the Finals level and Kyrie did destroy him... these are historical facts

So with Kyrie cancelling out Curry.... and Lebron > Klay.... And Love > Dray...

How am I wrong???... it's all facts, so you need help for denial of reality... Good luck bud

Gl with your mental illness

[3ball]

Gl with your mental illness


I'm guessing you failed history class... You seem to have an aversion to recalling historical events

[SouBeachTalents]

You're not looking at impact.

Rondo and Dwight both have huge positive splits. Kelly Oubre put up big volume stats last year. We see now? He sucks. Impact. Rondo and Dwight had tons of it and that's on TOP of Kareem and Magic. (AD and LeBron)

So you're bullshitting. Lakers were super stacked, but people have lower expectations for Bran.

If Curry gets to play with another superstar everybody flips out.
:roll: Bruh

[tpols]

You got caught lying and now you're just talking out your ass.

The Warriors outside KD and Curry were significantly better than the Lakers outside LeBron and AD. If you think otherwise, you're either a troll or just straight up clinically retarded.

Klay and Dray and literally All-Stars, All-NBA, and All-Def.

Dwight was a glorified role player who played around 10 mintues a game and missed pretty much the entire Houston series.

Rondo missed the entire Portland series and the Lakers absolutely wrecked the Blazers.

I honestly can't believe that you think Dwight and Rondo are equal to Green and Klay.

:facepalm :facepalm

Dwight shut down Jokic in the only series that featured an elite big man. And was extremely efficient in all his play.

Rondo came back and was lights out. Was hitting 3's nobody expected him to on top of elite orchestration.

The Lakers and Clippers were by far the title favorites @ -400 odds.

2015 Warriors were -2500 or worse.

You don't know shit about evaluation of talent.

[InnerZen]

Kyrie single handedly outplayed the UMVP on both sides of the court and hit almost all the high pressure clutch shots in that series for the Cavs.

[3ball]

:roll: Bruh

The playoff scoring champ and Western Conference Playoffs MVP (the real FMVP)......

aka the best player in the league was the Lakers #2 option

You can't get more stacked than that

So the Lakers had the best talent EASILY because of the modern Kareem (except AD gets better stats than kareem)

Then guys like Rondo, Dwight, Green, Pope and others are about the same as Beverly, Montrezl, or Lou...

[tpols]

Lakers were super stacked


:roll: Bruh

Why are you lying?

Lakers last year were +450 odds to win the title.

Warriors were +2800 in 2015.

And you say one is stacked and the other isn't.

What?

[SouBeachTalents]

Why are you lying?

Lakers last year were +450 odds to win the title.

Warriors were +2800 in 2015.

And you say one is stacked and the other isn't.

What?
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-playoff-bracket-2020-predictions-picks-odds/10ghztalkt6wl1slx90au7qptf

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/five-interesting-facts-from-the-start-of-2020-21-nba-season-including-zion-williamsons-historic-scoring-pace/

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2020/8/17/21370904/nba-playoffs-predictions-2020-bubble-lebron-james-kawhi-leonard-clippers-lakers-raptors

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29769211/nba-playoffs-debate-east-favorites-new-nba-title-predictions

https://sports.yahoo.com/yahoo-sports-nba-playoff-predictions-is-clippers-vs-bucks-inevitable-195140001.html

https://www.canishoopus.com/2020/8/17/21365163/staff-predictions-for-the-2020-nba-playoffs

Look at all the people picking the "super stacked" Lakers

[Axe]

Kyrie single handedly outplayed the UMVP on both sides of the court and hit almost all the high pressure clutch shots in that series for the Cavs.
That is a trademark of curry's talent; allowing opposing pgs to flourishing to god-like levels.

[3ball]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lZVtF4r90_A


So I guess everyone is a lunatic like 3ball

[NBAGOAT]

You're not looking at impact.

Rondo and Dwight both have huge positive splits. Kelly Oubre put up big volume stats last year. We see now? He sucks. Impact. Rondo and Dwight had tons of it and that's on TOP of Kareem and Magic. (AD and LeBron)

So you're bullshitting. Lakers were super stacked, but people have lower expectations for Bran.

If Curry gets to play with another superstar everybody flips out.

Talk about cognitive dissonance. Rondo and Dwight are good because of impact yet the guy who from 15-17 had top 5 lvl impact stats in draymond isn’t worth mentioning lol. Kyries impact metrics don’t come close to drays either yet for him scoring is now only thing that matters

[aj1987]

Dwight shut down Jokic in the only series that featured an elite big man. And was extremely efficient in all his play.

Rondo came back and was lights out. Was hitting 3's nobody expected him to on top of elite orchestration.

The Lakers and Clippers were by far the title favorites @ -400 odds.

2015 Warriors were -2500 or worse.

You don't know shit about evaluation of talent.

Good lord!

Dwight played ~15 minutes in the first two wins against the nuggets. LMAO. Dwight did a good job against Jokic, but stop acting like he was the reason why the Lakers won.

As for Rondo hitting 3's, he made 3 3's 3 times in the entire PO's. He attempted 3 3's a game. Dude made 21 3's during the entire PO's. Klay took 7.1 3's a game and hit 42.3% of them over 59 Playoff games. Heck, Draymond made 41% of his 3's on 4.6 attempts a game in 2017. He made 21 in the first two series of the '17 PO run.

I don't know why you're bringing up the 2015 Warriors when were talking about the KD and Curry warriors and LeBron and AD Lakers.

Dwight and Rondo were role players. Klay/Dray during that run shit on Rondo and Dwight from 2020.

If you want to talk about impact, Rondo was literally a negative when he was on the court. He was -2.6 for the entire PO run. Dwight was a -9.1.

To put that in perspective, Draymond was +18.9 in 2017 and Klay was a +6.0.

Again, Draymond was the DPOY, All-NBA, All-Def, and an All-Star. Klay was an All-Star, All-NBA, and All-Def.


How much of a deluded bat shit crazy LeBron hater do you have to be to think Dwight and Rondo are more impactful than Klay and Draymond.