What’s the argument for Curry over Iverson?

[Gus Hemmingway]

Iverson was the better scorer, playmaker, and slightly better defender :confusedshrug::confusedshrug:

[Gohan]

Iverson was the better scorer, playmaker, and slightly better defender :confusedshrug::confusedshrug:

Lmao you’re comparing curry to a top 5 player of all time. Cmon now you’re better than that

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Now you're going too far with the Curry hate. Curry is a far better player then Iverson ever was.

Curry's a 10x better shooter, far more efficient scorer even relative to era. Even on defense I think Curry is smarter and less of a liability then Iverson. Just a way smarter and better player in general.

[Wally450]

There isn't because Curry is miles better.

[GOBB]

There isn’t an argument unless you care about the 3pt shot. Slightly better defender is funny. Curry hides on defense. Soon as the ball is tipped if he scrambled to the other teams offensive liability. Can’t respect it

[tpols]

There isn’t an argument unless you care about the 3pt shot. Slightly better defender is funny. Curry hides on defense. Soon as the ball is tipped if he scrambled to the other teams offensive liability. Can’t respect it

:roll:

You're one of the worst homers ever bro. You probably think Aaron Mckie is better than Curry.

[Gohan]

:roll:

You're one of the worst homers ever bro. You probably think Aaron Mckie is better than Curry.


You act like iverson wasn’t great. Real g’s chuck up shots

[KennyPowers]

As someone that has Iverson black/gold shoes with matching hoodie, this thread is stupid.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCks-bQbn1A

[GOBB]

:roll:

You're one of the worst homers ever bro. You probably think Aaron Mckie is better than Curry.

No I don't. Now what? Why did you even pick Aaron Mckie. Weird.

[KennyPowers]

https://www.nicekicks.com/files/2016/09/reebok-answer-1-allen-iverson.jpg


https://media.customon.com/unsafe/1200x1200/img.customon.com/img/14148462/45586,35,0,0,23,136,134.48240343348,17,22.75879828 3262,35d855a9ae875e748a4b657fe6104647/merchantimagenew/allen-iverson-sa-kids-hoodie-gray.jpg




Original hoodie had a sewn on patch that looked better.

[tontoz]

When Iverson was standing outside the 3 pt line without the ball defenses could play way off him. Curry's impact with the ball was far greater than Iverson but without the ball the gap was even wider.

[hold this L]

https://i2.wp.com/media.giphy.com/media/VgUKN9wSZZ0NIl0z3M/giphy.gif?ssl=1

OP since Steph dropped 62. Imagine being a player stan, watching him win a championship, and then being insecure that a guy that has a bunch of young guys and the 2nd best player injured for the season has a good game. What a meltdown.

[GOBB]

When Iverson was standing outside the 3 pt line without the ball defenses could play way off him. Curry's impact with the ball was far greater than Iverson but without the ball the gap was even wider.

You're just rewriting narratives and shit now. Stop it. It's really nutty.

[tpols]

No I don't. Now what? Why did you even pick Aaron Mckie. Weird.

Because you're a hardcore sixers homer. It's okay to be biased, but sheesh... you just said Curry isn't comparable without a 3pt line. As if Iverson didn't play his entire career with one. That's gonna have a DUMMY stamped right on your forehead.

[n00bie]

Iverson is my favourite player of all time and even I admit Curry is the better player.

I'm just not a fan of watching Curry play. Iverson attacking the basket was more entertaining than Curry's 3s.

[tontoz]

You're just rewriting narratives and shit now. Stop it. It's really nutty.

How am i rewriting a narrative? For most of his career Iverson was a bad 3 pt shooter, 31.3% for his career. Defenses weren't worried about him catching the ball and/or shooting from deep. His strong suit was beating guys off the dribble and finishing inside. If he took a jumper that was a win for the defense.

Meanwhile Curry is the only guy i have ever seen get double teamed regularly without the ball. His shooting efficiency is in a different zip code from Iverson.

[CtrlAltDel]

Allen Iverson needs 27 field goal attempts to score 30 points per game. Curry averaged 30 points with 7 less attempts. Efficiency > volume.

Playoff scoring
Curry 2900
Inversion 2111

Curry better playoff scorer. Stats don’t lie.

[tpols]

How am i rewriting a narrative? For most of his career Iverson was a bad 3 pt shooter, 31.3% for his career. Defenses weren't worried about him catching the ball and/or shooting from deep. His strong suit was beating guys off the dribble and finishing inside. If he took a jumper that was a win for the defense.

Meanwhile Curry is the only guy i have ever seen get double teamed regularly without the ball. His shooting efficiency is in a different zip code from Iverson.

There's so many liars nowadays... can't even admit objective realities because of the nostalgia regarding some of their favorite players. I'm probably the biggest Jason Kidd fan on this site and I can admit he was a poor offensive force. Unlike Iverson, he made up for it in spades with his defense, rebounding, and leadership. 3 things the aforementioned had none of.

[Sulico]

Even Allen Iverson himself doesn't believe that.
There's a video where he says that he was a killer on the floor in his time, but Curry is on another level.

[Gudo]

AI is one of my favorites but I have to hand this to curry. One of the best shooters, if not the best and is just much more efficient.

[Gohan]

Even Allen Iverson himself doesn't believe that.
There's a video where he says that he was a killer on the floor in his time, but Curry is on another level.

I agree but you can’t go off of what iverson says he’s as humble as it gets. He always downplays himself

[fourkicks44]

Can Curry even dunk?

[tontoz]

Can Curry even dunk?

Yes. Ever heard of youtube?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hnl3Bw--eQ&feature=youtu.be

[FKAri]

I personally think Curry's better but you can make an argument for AI. If you value peak AI's ability to score vs physical defenses and devalue the damage it did to his body over time(which hurt his longevity along with his reliance on quickness) then AI comes out looking pretty good. But I think you'd also have to argue that the game's gotten a lot softer than it actually has and you'd also have to downplay how much better players have gotten at drawing fouls.

[Axe]

Allen Iverson needs 27 field goal attempts to score 30 points per game. Curry averaged 30 points with 7 less attempts. Efficiency > volume.

Playoff scoring
Curry 2900
Inversion 2111

Curry better playoff scorer. Stats don’t lie.
Playing for a team that was ripe enough to become a renowned dynasty really helped him a lot for that. Iverson probably wishes that he had that kind of luxury back then too.

[tontoz]

Playing for a team that was ripe enough to become a renowned dynasty really helped him a lot for that. Iverson probably wishes that he had that kind of luxury back then too.


Steph is the reason that team became a dynasty. Without him KD doesn't come.

Klay didn't average 20 ppg until age 24. Draymond Green wouldn't be worth much on a team without an elite scorer. He is the king of the triple single.

Who were the other starters on that 73 win team? Bogut and Harrison Barnes?

[GOBB]

How am i rewriting a narrative? For most of his career Iverson was a bad 3 pt shooter, 31.3% for his career. Defenses weren't worried about him catching the ball and/or shooting from deep. His strong suit was beating guys off the dribble and finishing inside. If he took a jumper that was a win for the defense.

Meanwhile Curry is the only guy i have ever seen get double teamed regularly without the ball. His shooting efficiency is in a different zip code from Iverson.

Show me video footage of defenders playing way off AI without the ball. Its 2021, information is out there. Then you talk out your ass saying Curry with the ball is far greater than AI with the ball. Hilarious. AI has 4 scoring titles. But Curry was greater with the ball than AI. Right. Keep rewriting them narratives

[GOBB]

Because you're a hardcore sixers homer. It's okay to be biased, but sheesh... you just said Curry isn't comparable without a 3pt line. As if Iverson didn't play his entire career with one. That's gonna have a DUMMY stamped right on your forehead.

I'm a Sixers homer? Please prove it. You're sadly misinformed and its hilarious. Show me where I've been a Sixer homer outside of being an AI fan? He's my second favorite player of all time behind Pippen who is my first. Gary Payton my 3rd. Damn look at that sixers bias bro. You dudes here stay talking out your ass and I don't know why.

I said Curry was a great 3pt shooter. The only thing he has over AI. AI better scorer, better playmaker. Defense is a wash.

[Axe]

Steph is the reason that team became a dynasty. Without him KD doesn't come.

Klay didn't average 20 ppg until age 24. Draymond Green wouldn't be worth much on a team without an elite scorer. He is the king of the triple single.

Who were the other starters on that 73 win team? Bogut and Harrison Barnes?
Tbh, the warriors of 10s never even got past the second round until steve kerr came to mastermind the team.

Also, basically anyone can do a triple single if I'm not mistaken? So I'm not sure what you're pointing out here.

[tontoz]

For the record Curry shoots 51.5% on 2s for his career, something AI never did for a season.

Curry shoots almost 13% better from the foul line.

[Axe]

I said Curry was a great 3pt shooter. The only thing he has over AI. AI better scorer, better playmaker. Defense is a wash.
:applause:

Curry just played for a much better team. I also laughed at the media for portraying him as the responsible player for changing the game into a 3-point slugfest. But then again, you don't always have to make a long shot for the sake of winning the game.

[GOBB]

For the record Curry shoots 51.5% on 2s for his career, something AI never did for a season.

Curry shoots almost 13% better from the foul line.

Cool. Iverson avg more steals per game for a career. Has avg over 2 more times. Has more total steals all time (ranks 15 all time).

[RRR3]

The fact that some of you think Iverson would still be inefficient in today’s league is funny.

Curry is better tho.

[tontoz]

Cool. Iverson avg more steals per game for a career. Has avg over 2 more times. Has more total steals all time (ranks 15 all time).

I remember him cheating off his man to make steals leaving the rest of his team to cover for him when his gambles failed, which was most of the time. Fortunately he had Deke to clean up the mess.

Curry's career 3 pt% of 43.4% is only slightly worse than Iverson's career 2 pt% of 44.8%. That is just embarrassing. :oldlol:

[GOBB]

I remember him cheating off his man to make steals leaving the rest of his team to cover for him when his gambles failed, which was most of the time. Fortunately he had Deke to clean up the mess.

Curry's career 3 pt% of 43.4% is only slightly worse than Iverson's career 2 pt% of 44.8%. That is just embarrassing. :oldlol:

Iverson turned steals into buckets. One of the best transition scorers in the league. The gambling thing is hilarious. What does Curry do? He is put on the weakest offensive player on the other team. Often someone who sits in a corner and doesn't move. Vs Portland he didnt guard Dame or CJ. Iverson was a better defender since we are being petty playing with stats.

[SATAN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJMi5lvQqq8

[tontoz]

Iverson turned steals into buckets. One of the best transition scorers in the league. The gambling thing is hilarious. What does Curry do? He is put on the weakest offensive player on the other team. Often someone who sits in a corner and doesn't move. Vs Portland he didnt guard Dame or CJ. Iverson was a better defender since we are being petty playing with stats.

I think i will let you argue with yourself here.:oldlol:



. AI better scorer, better playmaker. Defense is a wash.

[RRR3]

I remember him cheating off his man to make steals leaving the rest of his team to cover for him when his gambles failed, which was most of the time. Fortunately he had Deke to clean up the mess.

Curry's career 3 pt% of 43.4% is only slightly worse than Iverson's career 2 pt% of 44.8%. That is just embarrassing. :oldlol:
Stop comparing players efficiency from different eras. If you think Iverson would be anywhere near that inefficient today, you’re basically saying you think he was a worse scorer than Collin Sexton lol

[GOBB]

I think i will let you argue with yourself here.:oldlol:

Again I wasn't going to be petty like you maam. But since I saw you were? Yeah might as well go ahead and remind you how much defense the one played over the other. I called it a wash because saying AI was better doesn't impact the who is better than the other argument. Smarten up bud. You're welcome.

[tontoz]

Stop comparing players efficiency from different eras. If you think Iverson would be anywhere near that inefficient today, you’re basically saying you think he was a worse scorer than Collin Sexton lol

Iverson was still playing when they changed the hand check rule.

He was a career 31.3% shooter from 3 (on nearly 4 attempts per game) and 78% from the foul line. He just wasn't a good shooter. Playing in a different era wouldn't magically make him a better shooter.

The other big rule change was that they reset the shot clock to 14 seconds after an offensive rebound instead of 24 seconds which increases the total shots but has no effect on efficiency.

[tontoz]

Again I wasn't going to be petty like you maam. But since I saw you were? Yeah might as well go ahead and remind you how much defense the one played over the other. I called it a wash because saying AI was better doesn't impact the who is better than the other argument. Smarten up bud. You're welcome.


In his last full season the Warriors gave up 5.4 fewer ppg with Curry playing, pretty odd number for such a defensive liability.

http://www.82games.com/1819/18GSW1.HTM#onoff

[GOBB]

In his last full season the Warriors gave up 5.4 fewer ppg with Curry playing, pretty odd number for such a defensive liability.

http://www.82games.com/1819/18GSW1.HTM#onoff

You should probably scroll up and find where I said someone was a defensive liability. I said he defended the opposing teams offensive liability. He is often hid on defense. But go ahead. You were saying?

[tontoz]

You should probably scroll up and find where I said someone was a defensive liability. I said he defended the opposing teams offensive liability. He is often hid on defense. But go ahead. You were saying?

No matter who you are guarding you still have to play team defense. Switching happens all the time. Teams run pick and rolls to get switches and then attack the mismatches. You do realize that right?

During his MVP seasons Curry led the NBA in RPM, which takes defense into account.

2015-16 Real Plus-Minus
RK NAME TEAM GP MPG ORPM DRPM RPM
1 Stephen Curry, PG GS 79 34.2 12.03 -0.66 11.37
2 LeBron James, SF CLE 76 35.6 5.75 2.88 8.63
3 Kevin Durant, SF OKC 72 35.8 6.14 0.35 6.49
4 Kawhi Leonard, SF SA 72 33.1 2.09 4.29 6.37
5 Kyle Lowry, PG TOR 77 37.0 4.23 1.30 5.53 14.91
6 Chris Paul, PG LAC 74 32.7 4.61 0.84 5.45 13.13

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/year/2016

[GOBB]

No matter who you are guarding you still have to play team defense. Switching happens all the time. Teams run pick and rolls to get switches and then attack the mismatches. You do realize that right?



Right because you've watched Curry on Dame or CJ last night right? Nah you didnt. He stayed away. Try watching more games and less advanced stats to form these conclusions my guy. Shits annoying when people do it. Unsure why. Pretty sure they are replaying the Curry for 62 game on nbatv. Check it out, get your head out of these nutty stats. Eye test, its valuable. Curry stays away from the smoke. Not even up fr debate but yeah teams often just force switches and have Curry matched up on the scoring guards he shys away from. Yup, love that narrative.

[HylianNightmare]

https://www.nicekicks.com/files/2016/09/reebok-answer-1-allen-iverson.jpg


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Original hoodie had a sewn on patch that looked better.

got the rookie of the year colorway and an all black Iverson hoodie to match. great taste

[tontoz]

Right because you've watched Curry on Dame or CJ last night right? Nah you didnt. He stayed away. Try watching more games and less advanced stats to form these conclusions my guy. Shits annoying when people do it. Unsure why. Pretty sure they are replaying the Curry for 62 game on nbatv. Check it out, get your head out of these nutty stats. Eye test, its valuable. Curry stays away from the smoke. Not even up fr debate but yeah teams often just force switches and have Curry matched up on the scoring guards he shys away from. Yup, love that narrative.

That isn't somethig that is unique to Curry. When a guy exerts a lot of energy on offense teams will try to give him a break on defense. Curry runs around screens on offense and they don't want him doing the same on defense.

But teams can exploit weak defenders no matter who they are guarding when they think there will be a payoff of easy baskets.

[GOBB]

That isn't somethig that is unique to Curry. When a guy exerts a lot of energy on offense teams will try to give him a break on defense. Curry runs around screens on offense and they don't want him doing the same on defense.

But teams can exploit weak defenders no matter who they are guarding when they think there will be a payoff of easy baskets.

Stop. He did this with durant and Klay.

[GOBB]

Iverson would never lose a finals MVP to Iguodala

[Norcaliblunt]

If Iverson played in the west during his era no one would even remember him.

[tontoz]

Iverson would never lose a finals MVP to Iguodala


LOL that is a comment i would expect from one of the kids here. That was a joke of a vote. Curry averaged about 10 ppg more than Iggy.

Are you going to pretend like Iverson was the guy guarding the other teams best scorer? I will go out on a limb and say Snow or Mckie got that assignment. They were on that team for their defense.

[tpols]

I'll play GOBB 1v1 myself. It will be a bigger wash than Curry vs Iverson.

[GOBB]

LOL that is a comment i would expect from one of the kids here. That was a joke of a vote. Curry averaged about 10 ppg more than Iggy.

Are you going to pretend like Iverson was the guy guarding the other teams best scorer? I will go out on a limb and say Snow or Mckie got that assignment. They were on that team for their defense.

Curry has been protected his whole career. Snow was brought in to guard the bigger SGs of AI era who he had trouble with. At least Larry didn't say AI go hide on that guy who avg 8ppg that sits in the corner all game.

Curry had a weak nba finals. Less efficient since you love those adv stats right?

[Stanley Kobrick]

Curry has been protected his whole career. Snow was brought in to guard the bigger SGs of AI era who he had trouble with. At least Larry didn't say AI go hide on that guy who avg 8ppg that sits in the corner all game.

Curry had a weak nba finals. Less efficient since you love those adv stats right?
high iq post

[tpols]

:roll:

Larry hid Iverson from all the top guards just like Curry is. Eric Snow used to guard all these fellas. On top of being retarded offensively and a ghetto stubborn brat by his own admission.

[tontoz]

Curry has been protected his whole career. Snow was brought in to guard the bigger SGs of AI era who he had trouble with. At least Larry didn't say AI go hide on that guy who avg 8ppg that sits in the corner all game.

Curry had a weak nba finals. Less efficient since you love those adv stats right?

In his first finals his TS was 58% which is low by his standards (.thanks to going 4-15 in game 1 ). However he was still more efficient than LeBron, Kyrie or Klay.

[tontoz]

There is one thing about Curry that bugs me a little. He comes across as a bit of a front-runner. I've seen a lot of great players over the years and most of them, when facing adversity, will fight tooth and nail until the end. I just don't get that feeling from Curry.

When things are going well he will showboat but when things are going wrong sometimes it looks like he has checked out.

[Axe]

Curry has been protected his whole career. Snow was brought in to guard the bigger SGs of AI era who he had trouble with. At least Larry didn't say AI go hide on that guy who avg 8ppg that sits in the corner all game.

Curry had a weak nba finals. Less efficient since you love those adv stats right?
On point. :cheers:

[warriorfan]

That isn't somethig that is unique to Curry. When a guy exerts a lot of energy on offense teams will try to give him a break on defense. Curry runs around screens on offense and they don't want him doing the same on defense.

But teams can exploit weak defenders no matter who they are guarding when they think there will be a payoff of easy baskets.

Currys advanced defensive stats always come out pretty decent. He’s a slightly above average defender at the point guard position. He doesn’t take over a game and lock people down but he has high basketball iq and is in the right places at the right times and doesn’t make a lot of bonehead mistakes which lead to freebies.

[GOBB]

If someone wants to take Curry over AI? It is what it is.


There is one thing about Curry that bugs me a little. He comes across as a bit of a front-runner. I've seen a lot of great players over the years and most of them, when facing adversity, will fight tooth and nail until the end. I just don't get that feeling from Curry.

When things are going well he will showboat but when things are going wrong sometimes it looks like he has checked out.

Yeah thats the one thing I want to see from curry that most dudes of his caliber faced. When faced with adversity how does he respond.

[Sulico]

There is nothing Iverson was better in, other than MPG.

[Stephonit]

There is one thing about Curry that bugs me a little. He comes across as a bit of a front-runner. I've seen a lot of great players over the years and most of them, when facing adversity, will fight tooth and nail until the end. I just don't get that feeling from Curry.

When things are going well he will showboat but when things are going wrong sometimes it looks like he has checked out.


Curry and the Warriors have come back from double digits down in playoffs elimination games multiple times. I'd like you to name the players that have done it more times.

[Mr. Woke]

Steph is the reason that team became a dynasty. Without him KD doesn't come.

Klay didn't average 20 ppg until age 24. Draymond Green wouldn't be worth much on a team without an elite scorer. He is the king of the triple single.

Who were the other starters on that 73 win team? Bogut and Harrison Barnes?

Before KD arrived, the GSW were not a dynasty.

[tontoz]

Before KD arrived, the GSW were not a dynasty.

And KD wouldn't have gone there if Steph wasn't there, hence Steph is the reason.they became a dynasty.

[Gudo]

Put curry in the 2001 sixers lineup in place of AI though, what do you all think would happen? That was a rwally shitty team. Aaron mckey and eric snow with curry on the perimeter. Kobe would be tasked to lock in on curry in the finals.

[jayfan]

Lmao you’re comparing curry to a top 5 player of all time. Cmon now you’re better than that

:biggums:


Top 5 Sixer player?


.

[k0kakw0rld]

Iverson was the better scorer, playmaker, and slightly better defender :confusedshrug::confusedshrug:

3 Rings 2x MVP vs 1 MVP and 1 final appearance

[light]

Iverson was the better scorer, playmaker, and slightly better defender :confusedshrug::confusedshrug:

Attitude and efficiency.

[Axe]

Before KD arrived, the GSW were not a dynasty.
They were already on the verge of becoming one tho

[tpols]

Before KD arrived, the GSW were not a dynasty.

And before you left your momma's dungeon, you were'nt a virgin.

mate. :lol

[Axe]

And before you left your momma's dungeon, you were'nt a virgin.

mate. :lol
Magatard triggered :oldlol:

[Taurus]

I have Curry as the 2nd best PG of all time and AI outside the top 5. No offense to AI, but I have him below Magic, Curry, Stockton, Kidd, and CP3 just off the top of my head.

[Gohan]

Hes better than cp3