Jerry Krause is one of the Greatest GM Ever despite what Last Dance shows

[8Ball]

Jerry Krause is one of the greatest basketball minds to ever exist. Jordan had the luxury of being under the GM that made some of the smartest moves in league history.

6 moves that built the Chicago Bulls franchise:

1) Moved up the draft to get Scottie Pippen in 1987. Drafted Horace Grant that same year. :applause:

2) Traded Oakley for Bill Cartwright + pick that would become Will Perdue

3) Hired Phil Jackson, the GOAT coach that taught Jordan how to win.

4) Drafted Kukoc in 1990.

5) Traded for Luc Longley

6) Traded Will Perdue for Dennis Rodman.


All of these moves are individually better than any move Jordan made as a Bobcatt owner.


:applause: It was such a shame that The Last Dance told so many lies about a man that built the 90s bulls.

[Xiao Yao You]

He broke up one of the great teams

[8Ball]

The man that single handedly built one of the greatest sand castles gets to do what he wants with it 8 years later.

[dankok8]

Bulls would have probably been better had they kept Oakley. Cartwright had already declined by 1991 and Will Perdue was a scrub.

Jerry Krause was a good GM but also a petty jealous fool. If he didn't hate Phil so much the Bulls might have stayed together for another year or two and gotten another chip. In the 1999 lockout year they would have been a shoe-in to make the Finals and I'd say they would have at least a 50% chance to beat the Spurs. In 2000 it would have been tougher being one year older but if they got to the Finals facing the Lakers they would have a shot. Kobe got hurt in the Finals and the Pacers took them 6 so if Rodman could limit Shaq which he usually could... I think the Bulls would have won 1 more title if they stayed together. Winning 2 more is a stretch because Pippen's body started breaking down in the following seasons.

[Xiao Yao You]

Bulls would have probably been better had they kept Oakley. Cartwright had already declined by 1991 and Will Perdue was a scrub.

Jerry Krause was a good GM but also a petty jealous fool. If he didn't hate Phil so much the Bulls might have stayed together for another year or two and gotten another chip. In the 1999 lockout year they would have been a shoe-in to make the Finals and I'd say they would have at least a 50% chance to beat the Spurs. In 2000 it would have been tougher being one year older but if they got to the Finals facing the Lakers they would have a shot. Kobe got hurt in the Finals and the Pacers took them 6 so if Rodman could limit Shaq which he usually could... I think the Bulls would have won 1 more title if they stayed together. Winning 2 more is a stretch because Pippen's body started breaking down in the following seasons.

Had to trade Oakley. It was either him or Horace. Needed a low post scorer and vet

[Bronbron23]

Jerry Krause is one of the greatest basketball minds to ever exist. Jordan had the luxury of being under the GM that made some of the smartest moves in league history.

6 moves that built the Chicago Bulls franchise:

1) Moved up the draft to get Scottie Pippen in 1987. Drafted Horace Grant that same year. :applause:

2) Traded Oakley for Bill Cartwright + pick that would become Will Perdue

3) Hired Phil Jackson, the GOAT coach that taught Jordan how to win.

4) Drafted Kukoc in 1990.

5) Traded for Luc Longley

6) Traded Will Perdue for Dennis Rodman.


All of these moves are individually better than any move Jordan made as a Bobcatt owner.


:applause: It was such a shame that The Last Dance told so many lies about a man that built the 90s bulls.
Bruh he had arguably the greatest player ever. It would take an idiot gm to screw it up which he eventually did.

That said he still deserves credit and yes he was definitely a much better decision maker in the front office than mj has been.

[8Ball]

Bulls would have probably been better had they kept Oakley. Cartwright had already declined by 1991 and Will Perdue was a scrub.

Jerry Krause was a good GM but also a petty jealous fool. If he didn't hate Phil so much the Bulls might have stayed together for another year or two and gotten another chip. In the 1999 lockout year they would have been a shoe-in to make the Finals and I'd say they would have at least a 50% chance to beat the Spurs. In 2000 it would have been tougher being one year older but if they got to the Finals facing the Lakers they would have a shot. Kobe got hurt in the Finals and the Pacers took them 6 so if Rodman could limit Shaq which he usually could... I think the Bulls would have won 1 more title if they stayed together. Winning 2 more is a stretch because Pippen's body started breaking down in the following seasons.

He used Will Perdue to get Dennis Rodman.

[Xiao Yao You]

He used Will Perdue to get Dennis Rodman.

I imagine they could have gotten Rodman regardless. No one else wanted him

[Smoke117]

He used Will Perdue to get Dennis Rodman.

You wouldn't need to trade for Rodman if you still had Oakley. Grant could have left and Bulls would have still been fine defensively and rebounding wise up front if they still had Oakley.

[Xiao Yao You]

You wouldn't need to trade for Rodman if you still had Oakley. Grant could have left and Bulls would have still been fine defensively and rebounding wise up front if they still had Oakley.

A lot to assume they would have still had Oakley all that time. He wasn't going to be happy as a backup. He was MJ's buddy. They would have kept him if it had made sense. It didn't

[Axe]

Those were the glorious days.

[HoopsNY]

Who said Krause was a bad GM? The Last Dance only demonized him for the final season and not keeping the team together. It recognized all the moves you mentioned that Krause made. Bulls fans hated Krause, not for being a bad GM, but for how the dynasty ended.

[Xiao Yao You]

Who said Krause was a bad GM? The Last Dance only demonized him for the final season and not keeping the team together. It recognized all the moves you mentioned that Krause made. Bulls fans hated Krause, not for being a bad GM, but for how the dynasty ended.

but he brought them Eddy Curry!

[Nike D'Antoni]

He is definitely better than Jordan as GM.

[Xiao Yao You]

He is definitely better than Jordan as GM.

yeah since MJ isn't a GM

[Nike D'Antoni]

yeah since MJ isn't a GM

Did he not draft Kwame Brown number 1?

[Xiao Yao You]

Did he not draft Kwame Brown number 1?

I think he was president not GM

[Nike D'Antoni]

I think he was president not GM

ok.

[Shooter]

Jerry Krause is one of the greatest basketball minds to ever exist. Jordan had the luxury of being under the GM that made some of the smartest moves in league history.

6 moves that built the Chicago Bulls franchise:

1) Moved up the draft to get Scottie Pippen in 1987. Drafted Horace Grant that same year. :applause:

2) Traded Oakley for Bill Cartwright + pick that would become Will Perdue

3) Hired Phil Jackson, the GOAT coach that taught Jordan how to win.

4) Drafted Kukoc in 1990.

5) Traded for Luc Longley

6) Traded Will Perdue for Dennis Rodman.


All of these moves are individually better than any move Jordan made as a Bobcatt owner.


:applause: It was such a shame that The Last Dance told so many lies about a man that built the 90s bulls.

BINGO

:dancin

[LoneyROY7]

Absolutely despicable how Jordan tried to portray the man who handed him championships on a sliver platter.

Krause is easily one of the greatest roster constructers of all-time.

[8Ball]

The Last Dance was despicable how they took a dead man and smeared him through the mud because of 1998.

Ignoring all the other years he built the championship roster.

[dankok8]

The Last Dance was despicable how they took a dead man and smeared him through the mud because of 1998.

Ignoring all the other years he built the championship roster.

When you **** things up at the end that's what people will remember you by!

[Gray GOAT]

Absolutely despicable how Jordan tried to portray the man who handed him championships on a sliver platter.

Krause is easily one of the greatest roster constructers of all-time.

More so, he did it about a man who is already dead. Krause had no chance to defend himself, Krause had no chance to validate himself (which wouldn't be needed anyway because every move he made should have validated itself). Jordan was out for character assassination on a man who is already amongst the deceased. He is the lowest of the low, absolute scumbag of a human being.

[guy]

Only trading for Pippen was an all-time great move.

Bulls were knocking on the door with or without Phil who probably isn't anywhere near as successful if he wasn't more fortunate then his peers who didn't have Jordan, Shaq, and Kobe and instead had players that were clearly a cut or 2 below those guys leading them.

Rodman came at minimal expense and low risk.

The other moves are role player moves. Trading for Luc Longley? :oldlol:

[Haymaker]

Krause was very good at finding talent, he used to be a scout. But he wasn't a great GM. He was just in the right place at the right time in sports history. He really really thought he could duplicate the Bull's success without MJ and Phil. The guy was delusional and thought way too much of himself.

[8Ball]

When you **** things up at the end that's what people will remember you by!

When you ridicule and treat people the way Phil Jackson and Jordan did, it destroys company moral. The blame is on Phil Jackson and Jordan as well.

[8Ball]

Krause was very good at finding talent, he used to be a scout. But he wasn't a great GM. He was just in the right place at the right time in sports history. He really really thought he could duplicate the Bull's success without MJ and Phil. The guy was delusional and thought way too much of himself.

That's Jordan's version of the events.

[pandiani17]

Bulls would have probably been better had they kept Oakley. Cartwright had already declined by 1991 and Will Perdue was a scrub.

Jerry Krause was a good GM but also a petty jealous fool. If he didn't hate Phil so much the Bulls might have stayed together for another year or two and gotten another chip. In the 1999 lockout year they would have been a shoe-in to make the Finals and I'd say they would have at least a 50% chance to beat the Spurs. In 2000 it would have been tougher being one year older but if they got to the Finals facing the Lakers they would have a shot. Kobe got hurt in the Finals and the Pacers took them 6 so if Rodman could limit Shaq which he usually could... I think the Bulls would have won 1 more title if they stayed together. Winning 2 more is a stretch because Pippen's body started breaking down in the following seasons.

He was a great GM and also a self-centered person.

[FireDavidKahn]

He broke up one of the great teams

He also built a dynasty that won 6 championships...

[JBSptfn]

Only trading for Pippen was an all-time great move.

Bulls were knocking on the door with or without Phil who probably isn't anywhere near as successful if he wasn't more fortunate then his peers who didn't have Jordan, Shaq, and Kobe and instead had players that were clearly a cut or 2 below those guys leading them.

Rodman came at minimal expense and low risk.

The other moves are role player moves. Trading for Luc Longley? :oldlol:

Phil was lucky in LA? What were the Lakers doing before he got there? With way more talent than the 00-02 title teams (that were carried by the officials by the way)? Nothing.

[Axe]

Only trading for Pippen was an all-time great move.

Bulls were knocking on the door with or without Phil who probably isn't anywhere near as successful if he wasn't more fortunate then his peers who didn't have Jordan, Shaq, and Kobe and instead had players that were clearly a cut or 2 below those guys leading them.

Rodman came at minimal expense and low risk.

The other moves are role player moves. Trading for Luc Longley? :oldlol:
With the exception of shaq, what did mj and kobe win without phil?

[guy]

Phil was lucky in LA? What were the Lakers doing before he got there? With way more talent than the 00-02 title teams (that were carried by the officials by the way)? Nothing.




With the exception of shaq, what did mj and kobe win without phil?


Jordan played 7 out of 15 seasons without Phil, 1 of which was his rookie season, another was his sophomore season where he barely played, and 2 of which were as an old man. Kobe played 9 out of 20 seasons without Phil, 2 of which were before the age of 20, and 3 of which were post-achilles. With that said, they got to the conference finals with what most people consider relatively poor coaches in Doug Collins and Del Harris, and were clearly trending up.

I'm not saying Phil wasn't a great coach, but to act like there weren't a number of coaches that couldn't have won rings with those teams and that the timing of where those players were in their careers age/experience wise and the talent around them didn't have more to do with it is pretty ridiculous. Lets not forget, Phil had zero NBA head coaching experience before the Bulls. The implication that he had a larger impact on Jordan's success then Jordan did on his success is asinine. :oldlol:

[3ball]

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88' Pippen vs Pistons.... 10 ppg

88' Worthy vs Pistons.... 22 ppg and FMVP


89' Pippen vs Pistons.... 10 ppg

89' Worthy vs Pistons.... 26 ppg


90' Pippen vs Pistons.... 16 ppg

90' Worthy Playoffs...... 25 ppg


91' Pippen - no all-star

91' Worthy - all-nba



Conclusion - MJ four-peats with Worthy from 88-91'

[Axe]

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88' Pippen vs Pistons.... 10 ppg

88' Worthy vs Pistons.... 22 ppg and FMVP


89' Pippen vs Pistons.... 10 ppg

89' Worthy vs Pistons.... 26 ppg


90' Pippen vs Pistons.... 16 ppg

90' Worthy Playoffs...... 25 ppg


91' Pippen - no all-star

91' Worthy - all-nba



Conclusion - MJ four-peats with Worthy from 88-91'
1-9

[Axe]

Jordan played 7 out of 15 seasons without Phil, 1 of which was his rookie season, another was his sophomore season where he barely played, and 2 of which were as an old man. Kobe played 9 out of 20 seasons without Phil, 2 of which were before the age of 20, and 3 of which were post-achilles. With that said, they got to the conference finals with what most people consider relatively poor coaches in Doug Collins and Del Harris, and were clearly trending up.

I'm not saying Phil wasn't a great coach, but to act like there weren't a number of coaches that couldn't have won rings with those teams and that the timing of where those players were in their careers age/experience wise and the talent around them didn't have more to do with it is pretty ridiculous. Lets not forget, Phil had zero NBA head coaching experience before the Bulls. The implication that he had a larger impact on Jordan's success then Jordan did on his success is asinine. :oldlol:
I'm not saying that other coaches of his time were basically inferior than him because they never led their teams to the finals, let alone consecutive championships. But we do know that phil jackson is noteworthy for turning teams into dynasties, although he only did so for two franchises lol. And the fact that he did it without head coaching in a major league even makes it more impressive, despite the fact somebody pointing out that his success just came due to inheriting potential rosters but he heralded and turned them into perennial contenders, something that steve kerr did recently with the warriors even if that team were already competing in the postseason.