2012 Wade had higher BPM, PER and WS/48 than Pippen ever did

[3ball]

He was better than Pippen ever was and averaged only 5 points less than Lebron in the Finals - that's more of a shared load than Pippen, who always averaged 10-30 less than Jordan (carried).

Then Wade fell to Pippen-level stats in 13' and 14', so everyone complained about him.. they weren't happy with pippen-caliber (20/5/5) from a boss like wade

[Axe]

1-9

God help us all..

[dawsey6]

Cool. Wade was a better scorer than Pippen.

So glad you are around to show us this profound knowledge.

[Axe]

Cool. Wade was a better scorer than Pippen.

So glad you are around to show us this profound knowledge.
Ppg is one of the reasons why he's loathing on pippen

[3ball]

Cool. Wade was a better scorer than Pippen.

So glad you are around to show us this profound knowledge.


You've been brainwashed and didn't look at the stats or consider history before posting

Wade was a far superior playmaker, creator, passer and assist man than Pippen

Wade averaged more assists than Pippen but Lebron reduced Wade's apg from 7 to 4

Lebron reduced Mo's assists the same way.. and Kyrie... And Hughes, Bosh and Love..

Lebron reduces teammate assists because he starts at SF but then becomes a 2nd PG on the floor - 2-PG lineups result in lower hold-time and assists for teammates, so the TEAM has low assists and struggles on the championship level..

yes, 2-PG lineups are dumb so lebron isn't a "genius" at basketball... He's just physically gifted and people conflate athletic savant with "genius"... But he's actually quite dumb for employing 2-PG lineups because additional ball domination limits ball movement/strategy and ultimately team ceiling, 4/10

[SATAN]

Hi Andrew

[3ball]

Hi Andrew


Great name

So... white flag?... another win for 3ball?

You probably felt pretty silly when you realized Wade was a better playmaker and assist man than pippen, but lebron reduced his assists like everyone else

[SATAN]

Here's some more attention Andrew

[3ball]

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CAREER


WADE.. .... 5.4 apg... 30.4 assist percentage
PIPPEN.... 5.2 apg... 23.1 assist percentage





Here's some more attention Andrew


No more dumb arguments like Wade didn't pass like Pippen?

[SATAN]

I've never made any claims about Wade.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Pippen also never won before Jordan. While Wade won a godly finals MVP in 2006. So Wade was already a proven finals MVP and had to teach LeBron how to win. Kawhi went to a rathole Toronto raptors and had to teach Lowry/Siamam how to do it.

Now kawhi is teaching George how to win also, its just going to take 2 years like how long it took Wade to teach LeBron.

[RRR3]

Hi Andrew
Lol that wasn’t actually him. You think he’s actually 6’7? :roll:

[Vino24]

MJ got his shit pushed in 4 times in the same game by Reggie Lewis

[Axe]

Pippen also never won before Jordan. While Wade won a godly finals MVP in 2006. So Wade was already a proven finals MVP and had to teach LeBron how to win. Kawhi went to a rathole Toronto raptors and had to teach Lowry/Siamam how to do it.

Now kawhi is teaching George how to win also, its just going to take 2 years like how long it took Wade to teach LeBron.
Cool story bro

[Vino24]

MJ got his shit pushed in 4 times in the same game by Reggie Lewis

ThoughtS op?

[3ball]

ThoughtS op?

I pushed Zach's shit in 4 times too.. in a row..

So crazy shit like that happens to guys playing every day all day for decades on end

[light]

Look at Bill Russell's PER.

Defense wins championships, right? Wade does not even come close to comparing to Pippen defensively. Wade lags far behind Pippen, Jordan and LeBron when it comes to defense.

Pippen was responsible for the Bulls offense while also being the Bulls best defensive player and defensive quarterback. Wade didn't do any of those things for the Heat when LeBron was there - all of that was LeBron's job, which he handled while also being the Heat's leading scorer, best offensive player, best point guard and best big man.

[3ball]

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CAREER REGULAR SEASON

Wade.'.... 22.0.. 4.7.. 5.4.. 55.4 ts.. 23.5 PER.. 0.160 ws/48.. 5.0 BPM
Pippen... 16.1.. 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48.. 4.1 BPM

Kyrie...... 22.4.. 3.7.. 5.7.. 57.2 ts.. 22.2 PER.. 0.165 ws/48.. 4.5 BPM
Pippen... 16.1.. 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48.. 4.1 BPM

AD.......... 24.0.. 10.4.. 2.2.. 58.8 ts.. 27.4 PER.. 0.219 ws/48.. 6.3 BPM
Pippen... 16.1.... 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48.. 4.1 BPM


CAREER PLAYOFFS

Wade.'.... 22.3.. 5.2.. 4.9.. 54.9 ts.. 22.4 PER.. 0.155 ws/48.. 5.3 BPM
Pippen... 17.5.. 7.6.. 5.0.. 53.6 ts.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48.. 4.9 BPM

Kyrie...... 23.5.. 3.3.. 5.0.. 56.0 ts.. 21.4 PER.. 0.169 ws/48.. 4.2 BPM
Pippen... 17.5.. 7.6.. 5.0.. 53.6 ts.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48.. 4.9 BPM

AD.......... 28.8.. 10.8.. 2.8.. 63.3 ts.. 28.4 PER.. 0.243 ws/48.. 7.4 BPM
Pippen... 17.5.... 7.6.. 5.0.. 53.6 ts.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48.. 4.9 BPM


CAREER FINALS

Kyrie........ 28/4/4 on 47%
AD.....'...... 25/9/4 on 57%
Wade....... 24/5/5 on 47%
Pippen...'. 19/8/6 on 42%

Jordan.... 34/6/6 on 48%
Lebron.... 28/9/8 on 48%

(edit: lebron 28/10/8 in Finals)




Pippen is much better than given credit for at times but he simply isn't on the level of prime AD or Wade.


1997 Finals

Pippen........ 19/6/3 on 42%... last in clutch pts behind Ostertag
Stockton..'.. 15/4/9 on 50%... 2nd in clutch pts behind MJ


Pippen was horrible in the 97' Finals, so MJ was forced to make game-winning plays in 3 of the games.. Pippen also sucked in the 96' Finals and he underperformed in the 93' Finals (45% true shooting.. missed FT's cost Game 5.. let Dumas go off)

And Pippen was frequently outscored in earlier rounds where lesser opponents didn't have 3rd and 4th options to reduce 2nd option's stats... But the Finals opponents were deeper with 3rd and 4th scorers that took away from the 2nd option - the 93' Suns had 3 offensive all-stars, while the 96' Sonics had a 3 all-nba players... The 91' Lakers had 4 players average 17+ in the Finals...



Pippen is much better than given credit for at times but he simply isn't on the level of prime AD or Wade.


Pippen was outplayed by the following #2 options:

- 90' ECF (Dumars)
- 92' ECSF (X-Man)
- 93' 1st Round... (Willis)
- 94' ECSF (Ewing)
- 95' 1st Round (L Johnson)
- 96' ECSF (Oakley)
- 96' ECF (Penny)
- 96' Finals (Payton)
- 97' 1st Round (J Howard)
- 97' Finals (Stockton)
- 98' ECF (Smits)
- 99' 1st Round (Kobe)





Pippen isn't on the level of prime AD or Wade.





2012 Wade had higher PER, BPM, and WS/48 than Pippen ever did!!

And Kyrie is a better scorer, passer and clutch player than Pippen, as the stats show above

ultimately, Wade, Kyrie and AD have higher PER, WS/48, BPM, and peak VORP than Pippen

[3ball]

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Wade's 2012 Rankings (league-wide)


PER.......... 3rd
BPM......... 3rd
WS/48...... 5th
VORP........ 4th

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012_leaders.html

[3ball]

Bump.. just so y'all see the truth one more time.. never forget

[Trollsmasher]

yes because Jordan reduced Pippen

[tpols]

yes because Jordan reduced Pippen

Why did he put up even worse numbers on the Rockets and Blazers then along with GOAT chokes? (losing a 15 point 4th quarter lead in a game 7)