Remember when the reigning DPOY and scoring champ was considered the best PG too?

[3ball]

Associated Press, April 9, 1989:



"In just 16 games at point guard, Jordan has gone from the league’s leading scorer the last two seasons to being lumped with Johnson, John Stockton of Utah and Isiah Thomas of Detroit as the elite among NBA point guards. Jordan may already be the best of the group."

https://ballislife.com/michael-jordan-could-of-been-the-best-point-guard-ever-want-proof/


So Jordan was the best passer, scorer and defender in his 5th year, aka the best basketball we've ever seen...

Whereas it took lebron 17 years to be called the best PG, and he wasn't all-defense or a top 10 scorer, aka lower level... :lebronamazed:...

[trada7029]

Wow... 5th-year Jordan was the reigning DPOY and scoring champ, and was being called the best PG too

So he was the best scorer, defender and passer in the league - aka GOAT

[rawimpact]

No idiot,

Not all of us care to keep jordan on our mind 25+ years after his prime.

[ShawkFactory]

No idiot,

Not all of us care to keep jordan on our mind 25+ years after his prime.

Correct.

And not only that, but one guy in one article posing the question that Jordan MIGHT be the best PG in the league is not even close to the same as being considered the best.

You can find articles of people claiming Lillard is better than Steph. Or that Chris Paul is a top 3 PG of all time. Doesn’t mean that either are “considered” to be such.

Magic won 3 of 4 MVPs during this time, including the actual season when this stretch of Jordan’s happened. Jordan put up 11 assists over 20 or so games while his team went .500. There’s nothing to consider.

[Gray GOAT]

That's cool. On the contrary, LeBron James is the greatest PG, SF and PF of all time.

[hateraid]

Correct.

And not only that, but one guy in one article posing the question that Jordan MIGHT be the best PG in the league is not even close to the same as being considered the best.

You can find articles of people claiming Lillard is better than Steph. Or that Chris Paul is a top 3 PG of all time. Doesn’t mean that either are “considered” to be such.

Magic won 3 of 4 MVPs during this time, including the actual season when this stretch of Jordan’s happened. Jordan put up 11 assists over 20 or so games while his team went .500. There’s nothing to consider.

Exactly.
There were metrics in the mid 90s claiming Tim Hardaway was the best

I MJ was that good why was Pippen deemed the point forward? Just another bullshit article slurping Jordans wee-wee slurped up by the biggest Jordan stalker.

[dankok8]

He wasn't a better passer than Magic or even close. I strongly disagree with the take that MJ was the best PG in 1989.

With that being said, MJ was an underrated passer. Give him a lot of the ball and make him run the offense every possession and he will give you some impressive assist numbers. MJ could see guys and throw great passes. He was just more in the scoring mindset.

[BigShotBob]

He wasn't a better passer than Magic or even close. I strongly disagree with the take that MJ was the best PG in 1989.

With that being said, MJ was an underrated passer. Give him a lot of the ball and make him run the offense every possession and he will give you some impressive assist numbers. MJ could see guys and throw great passes. He was just more in the scoring mindset.

MJ averaged like 13 assists in the Finals....

[Vino24]

LeBron is the only player capable of playing all 5 positions at an elite level

[3ball]

LeBron is the only player capable of playing all 5 positions at an elite level


Lebron can't play the off-guard spot, whereas Jordan was the goat off-guard and the best PG in the league

Ultimately, the goat standard is being the best in the league on-ball and off-ball.... And being the best passer, scorer and defender at the same time - Jordan reached these levels and lebron didn't...

Infact, Lebron isn't top 10 in scoring and hasn't been all-defense in 8 years - that's a far lower level than scoring champ and dpoy.. Jordan was scoring champ and top 5 dpoy from 88-98' (the goat standard)

[KobesFinger]

Are you saying Jordan was a better passer than Magic or Jason Kidd?

[3ball]

Are you saying Jordan was a better passer than Magic or Jason Kidd?


Has anyone ever averaged 10 assists in a series without bringing the ball up and playing the PG position?

No one

Except the goat when he destroyed Magic heads-up in the 1991 Finals..

when mj set his mind to something - it's a wrap - he achieved the title of best passer after just 16 games at the position in 89'... He averaged 30/9/11 with a stretch of 10 triple doubles in 11 games.. it's clear that if he played his career at PG, he would be a better PG than Magic

Ultimately, the goat standard is being the best in the league on-ball and off-ball.... And also being the best passer, scorer and defender at the same time - Jordan reached these levels and lebron didn't...

[SouBeachTalents]

Jordan's the best passer, playmaker, post player, rebounder, perimeter defender, rim protector and 3 point shooter of all time

[8Ball]

Jordan lost that year to some 2004 Pistons team as the PG of his team.

Not a good ball dominator like LeBron-Ball.

Next.

[SouBeachTalents]

Jordan lost that year to some 2004 Pistons team as the PG of his team.

Not a good ball dominator like LeBron-Ball.

Next.
After they went up 2-1 on the Pistons

Game 4: 23 points on 5/15, 4 assists from the GOAT PG
Game 5: 18 points
Game 6: 8 turnovers and a Shaq like 5/12 from the FT line

[3ball]

After they went up 2-1 on the Pistons

Game 4: 23 points on 5/15, 4 assists from the GOAT PG
Game 5: 18 points
Game 6: 8 turnovers and a Shaq like 5/12 from the FT line


Jordan's 89' Playoffs = lebron leading his 05' lottery cast to nearly the Finals




After they went up 2-1 on the Pistons

Game 4: 23 points on 5/15, 4 assists from the GOAT PG
Game 5: 18 points
Game 6: 8 turnovers and a Shaq like 5/12 from the FT line
if lebron played like that

he would've won the 08' ECSF, 11' Finals, and wouldn't need 7 games in the 13' Finals (lebron averaged 16 on 39% in the first 3 games)

[Kings2024Champs]

This guy has two (maybe more) accounts and hes a playground legend? We only get 24hrs in a day but I swear he has more

[3ball]

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05' Zydrunas.... 19.5 PER... 0.149 WS/48... 2-time all-star
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 1-time all-star


Zydrunas was a 2-time all-star in 2005, but lebron missed the playoffs with him

Otoh, Pippen was nothing in 89' and nowhere near 05' Zydrunas, yet Jordan nearly made the Finals and beat the champs

Jordan nearly made the Finals with a cast that was worse than lebron's 05' cast

[SouBeachTalents]

Jordan's 89' Playoffs = lebron leading his 05' lottery cast to nearly the Finals




if lebron played like that

he would've won the 08' ECSF, 11' Finals, and wouldn't need 7 games in the 13' Finals (lebron averaged 16 on 39% in the first 3 games)
LeBron is irrelevant to Jordan's level of play falling off that significantly on the verge of making the Finals

[StrongLurk]

OP get therapy and stop replying to yourself with your ALT accounts.

[Vino24]

LeBron has more playoff points than MJ

[3ball]

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20' Ingram..'..... 18.8 PER.. 2.4 BPM.. 0.115 WS/48.. 2.2 VORP
90' Pippen.....'.. 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 0.087 WS/48.. 3.0 VORP

05' L Hughes.... 21.6 PER.. 4.3 BPM.. 0.157 WS/48.. 3.7 VORP
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 0.087 WS/48.. 3.0 VORP

09' Mo Will...'.... 17.2 PER.. 2.3 BPM.. 0.165 WS/48.. 3.1 VORP
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 0.087 WS/48.. 3.0 VORP

05' Zydrunas.... 19.5 PER.. 0.2 BPM.. 0.149 WS/48.. 1.2 VORP
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 0.087 WS/48.. 3.0 VORP




LeBron is irrelevant to Jordan's level of play falling off that significantly on the verge of making the Finals


You never got to see lebron's best because you never got to see him carry his lottery casts from 05' or 19' in the playoffs - you only saw lebron when he had developed, high seeds and teammates producing more than prime Pippen (above).

Otoh, Jordan's runs from 85-89' were with legit lottery casts - he nearly made the Finals with a legit lottery cast... It was a treat to see real carry-jobs with bottom-dweller casts...

And even when his casts improved in the 90's, the improvement was marginal (it was the exact same players), so it always felt like carry-jobs (the stats reflected carry-jobs).. even when pippen started getting accolades, all 6 rings still felt like lebron's 2015 run where he took high volume - Jordan's was always required to take lebron's 15' volume (carry-job level)

[8Ball]

After they went up 2-1 on the Pistons

Game 4: 23 points on 5/15, 4 assists from the GOAT PG
Game 5: 18 points
Game 6: 8 turnovers and a Shaq like 5/12 from the FT line

Looks like Isiah Thomas was a better PG than Jordan ever was.

LeBron year 17 best PG in the league.

[ShawkFactory]

Still confused as to how Jordan was considered the best PG in the league in 1989 :lol

[3ball]

LeBron best PG in the league finally in year 17.





mj did that in Year 5 and was also the best scorer and defender

Lebron = best passer, #10 scorer, no defense
Jordan = best passer, #1 scorer, #1 defender

so jordan's level is A LOT higher... :confusedshrug:

[8Ball]

mj did that in Year 5 and was also the best scorer and defender

Lebron = best passer, #10 scorer, no defense
Jordan = best passer, #1 scorer, #1 defender

so jordan's level is A LOT higher... :confusedshrug:

Year 5 as a point guard Jordan was stat padding and losing. Unnatural position to play. Detriment to his team. Needs Pippen to be PG.

LeBron as a point guard year 17 = championship.

Next argument. Too easy.

[3ball]

Year 5 as a point guard Jordan was stat padding and losing. Unnatural position to play. Detriment to his team. Needs Pippen to be PG.

LeBron as a point guard year 17 = championship.

Next argument. Too easy.


Pippen can't average 30/9/11 at point guard or average 12 apg in the Finals... Only Jordan could

Ultimately, Jordan was called the best PG, so he matches lebron in lebron's strength (passing), while still being the best scorer and defender as well

So Jordan matched lebron at lebron's strength (on-ball), but lebron can't match Jordan at off-ball... That means Jordan >>>

[8Ball]

Pippen can't average 30/9/11 at point guard or average 12 apg in the Finals... Only Jordan could

Ultimately, Jordan was called the best PG, so he matches lebron in lebron's strength (passing), while still being the best scorer and defender as well

So Jordan matched lebron at lebron's strength (on-ball), but lebron can't match Jordan at off-ball... That means Jordan >>>



Jordan playing PG = stat padding year 5 = Loser Jordan Ball.


“The guys at the scorer’s desk let me know what I need,” Jordan said, according to the LA Times.

The Bulls’ assistant coaches also helped wherever they could.

“They keep reminding me when I get back to the huddle,” Jordan said. “They say, ‘You need three more of this. You need four more of that.’”


Instead of focusing on winning games, Jordan is focused on stats.

Wilt Chamberlain level.

[3ball]

Jordan playing PG = stat padding year 5 = Loser Jordan Ball.




Instead of focusing on winning games, Jordan is focused on stats.

Wilt Chamberlain level.

Best passer, best scorer, best defender - Lebron never reached this level of basketball like Jordan did

Ultimately, Jordan was the best on-ball and off-ball player, whereas lebron can't play off-ball... So he's half as good - the stats support this - 3 rings in 15 seasons is half of 6/15

[SATAN]

1-9

[8Ball]

Best passer, best scorer, best defender - Lebron never reached this level of basketball like Jordan did

Ultimately, Jordan was the best on-ball and off-ball player, whereas lebron can't play off-ball... So he's half as good - the stats support this - 3 rings in 15 seasons is half of 6/15

the F this little kid smoking? Best passer, best scorer, best defender in every single one of his finals wins.

Scottie Pippen = better passer than Jordan.

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https://www.sportscasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/LeBron-James-Ronald-Martinez-Getty-Images-2.jpg

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https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/759/941/146660911_crop_north.jpg?1340339656&w=3072&h=2048


3ball lost his mind in 2012. Demented for 8 years straight now.

[8Ball]

LeBron TOP 10 in ASSISTS:

1 John Stockton 15,806
2 Jason Kidd 12,091
3 Steve Nash 10,335
4 Mark Jackson 10,334
5 Magic Johnson 10,141
6 Oscar Robertson 9,887
7 CHRIS PAUL 9,719
8 LeBRON JAMES 9,417
9 Isiah Thomas 9,061


Michael Jordan = Not invited into this list.

Where's Jordan? Top 40?


That's an ELITE PG list. All PGs. Jordan no where to be seen.


33. Scottie Pippen* 6135 :applause:

Higher than Jordan.

[Shooter]

That's cool. On the contrary, LeBron James is the greatest PG, SF and PF of all time.

https://i.postimg.cc/Fs3Py0nq/tenor.gif

[SpaceJam]

Since switching to point guard for the Chicago Bulls, Michael Jordan has become statistic conscious. He has started checking with statisticians to see how close he is to a triple-double. He had a string of seven consecutive triple-doubles broken Friday night.

"The guys at the scorer's desk let me know what I need," Jordan said.

So, too, do the Bulls' assistant coaches.

"They keep reminding me when I get back to the huddle," Jordan said. "They say, 'You need three more of this. You need four more of that.' "

:facepalm