Why couldn't kobe have cp3 again?

[Bronbron23]

Bron has colluded twice. Warriors and kd did it and now brooklyn and kd are doing it. I have nothing against bron or anyone who did it but how come kobe couldn't do it?

And don't we have to give kobe more credit with this in mind. How many more rings does he have if he got cp3? How many less rings would bron, kd and steph have if they weren't aloud to?

[Axe]

Probably because silver doesn't veto shit unlike his holier-than-thou predecessor.

[Bronbron23]

Probably because silver doesn't veto shit unlike his holier-than-thou predecessor.

Yeah that's true stern didn't play

[Axe]

Yeah that's true stern didn't play
Hmm what do you mean

[k0kakw0rld]

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[light]

Bron has colluded twice. Warriors and kd did it and now brooklyn and kd are doing it. I have nothing against bron or anyone who did it but how come kobe couldn't do it?

And don't we have to give kobe more credit with this in mind. How many more rings does he have if he got cp3? How many less rings would bron, kd and steph have if they weren't aloud to?

The NBA owned New Orleans at the time and they didn't like the Lakers deal.

Not very mysterious.

Kobe couldnt do what LeBron does because Kobe didn't have friends.

Part of the reason Kobe wasnt more successful was because his personality limited his opportunities.

[LAL]

The NBA owned New Orleans at the time and they didn't like the Lakers deal.

Not very mysterious.

Kobe couldnt do what LeBron does because Kobe didn't have friends.

Part of the reason Kobe wasnt more successful was because his personality limited his opportunities.

Mr. King of stats/ringchaser has barely 4 rings with superteams in 18 prime healthy seasons. Many weaknesses, lots of media love, everything.

Kobe 5/7 out West in a 10 year prime/span. No ringchasing, no weaknesses, 1 all star teammate.

Triple doubles tho

[LAL]

Good question op. Kobe was pure.

[SouBeachTalents]

Mr. King of stats/ringchaser has barely 4 rings with superteams in 18 prime healthy seasons. Many weaknesses, lots of media love, everything.

Kobe 5/7 out West in a 10 year prime/span. No ringchasing, no weaknesses, 1 all star teammate.

Triple doubles tho
He has one less ring than Kobe did in through 17 seasons, but double the FMVP count

[light]

Mr. King of stats/ringchaser has barely 4 rings with superteams in 18 prime healthy seasons. Many weaknesses, lots of media love, everything.

Kobe 5/7 out West in a 10 year prime/span. No ringchasing, no weaknesses, 1 all star teammate.

Triple doubles tho

Alpha Kobe has 2 rings and 1 MVP..

My point stands. Even Kobe said he didn't have friends in the NBA. Everyone knows he was a loner - if you're a Kobe fan then just call him a lone wolf.

But it's a team game. You're limiting your potential with that kind of personality in basketball.

Even the cantankerous MJ knew how to hang with the boys and chew the fat until the break of dawn.

Kobe preferred sulking in his suite.

[LAL]

He has one less ring than Kobe did in through 17 seasons, but double the FMVP count

Healthy prime seasons.

Wow more fmvp's playing bron ball (can't adjust) with superteams. In a weak east mostly too. Lost so many times as a ringchaser too.

Lebron has kobe in all around stats, just like westbrook and doncic soon.
Kobe is a better winner and less weaknesses.. so better player in reality?

Stats and media awards. Great!

Lebron is a great GM tho. That's the difference between him and other big all around stats guys like westbrook, harden and giannis.

[LAL]

Alpha Kobe has 2 rings and 1 MVP..

My point stands. Even Kobe said he didn't have friends in the NBA. Everyone knows he was a loner - if you're a Kobe fan then just call him a lone wolf.

But it's a team game. You're limiting your potential with that kind of personality in basketball.

Even the cantankerous MJ knew how to hang with the boys and chew the fat until the break of dawn.

Kobe preferred sulking in his suite.

Healthy prime seasons.

Wow more fmvp's playing bron ball (can't adjust) with superteams. In a weak east mostly too. Lost so times as a ringchaser too.

Lebron has kobe in all around stats, just like westbrook and doncic soon.
Kobe is a better winner and less weaknesses.. so better player in reality?

Stats and media awards. Great!

Lebron is a great GM tho. That's the difference between him and other big all around stats guys like westbrook, harden and giannis.

[LAL]

Alpha Kobe has 2 rings and 1 MVP..

My point stands. Even Kobe said he didn't have friends in the NBA. Everyone knows he was a loner - if you're a Kobe fan then just call him a lone wolf.

But it's a team game. You're limiting your potential with that kind of personality in basketball.

Even the cantankerous MJ knew how to hang with the boys and chew the fat until the break of dawn.

Kobe preferred sulking in his suite.

Sulking how?

[DoctorP]

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This.

Basketball reasons.

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Sulking how?

His teams had a lot of issues over the years - even to the point where Phil Jackson spent chapters writing about how immature and uncoachable Kobe was in The Last Season - but nothing was ever his fault.

He was always mad at someone for something. (Jackson said he also had anger management issues)

Kobe and Kyrie Irving had very similar personalities which is probably why they got along so well.

Kyrie's problem is that he's not as good as Kobe but he wants to be able to have the same allowances.

[LAL]

His teams had a lot of issues over the years - even to the point where Phil Jackson spent chapters writing about how immature and uncoachable Kobe was in The Last Season - but nothing was ever his fault.

He was always mad at someone for something. (Jackson said he also had anger management issues)

Kobe and Kyrie Irving had very similar personalities which is probably why they got along so well.

Kyrie's problem is that he's not as good as Kobe but he wants to be able to have the same allowances.
Lmao

Kobe wasn't perfect but he was defenitely more "coachable" than lebron ever was. Lol lebron can only play bron ball so please, don't compare that to playing in a triangle offense as a young guy having to adjust to anything and anyone, was he sulking you idiot? No he WON. Lebron is THE coach killer. :oldlol:

Kyrie??

Kyrie is out there creating litte complaining communist bums with victim mentality..

Kobe was all about being thankful, working hard, being a pro and being great at what you do (no weaknesses).

Wtf are you even doing?

[LAL]

Lmao phil jackson wRoTe A bOoK! Lebron wouldn't have lasted a month in a triangle (skills) and pj and shaq's ego.

Lebron couldn't even handle jackson's posse comment. Got the media crying with him. Meanwhile Kobe accepted the challenges.

Nerd.

[SATAN]

His teams had a lot of issues over the years - even to the point where Phil Jackson spent chapters writing about how immature and uncoachable Kobe was in The Last Season - but nothing was ever his fault.

He was always mad at someone for something. (Jackson said he also had anger management issues)

Kobe and Kyrie Irving had very similar personalities which is probably why they got along so well.

Kyrie's problem is that he's not as good as Kobe but he wants to be able to have the same allowances.

Funny how the Kobe stan deflected away from everything you said instead of actually addressing your points. It's not surprising at all though.

It was always hard to take some Kobe fans seriously. Thought they would have woken up to themselves by now.

R.I.P Kobe.

[LAL]

Funny how the Kobe stan deflected away from everything you said instead of actually addressing your points. It's not surprising at all though.

It was always hard to take some Kobe fans seriously. Thought they would have woken up to themselves by now.

R.I.P Kobe.

Stop crying mama's boy. Trying to corrupt our little debate like all you little liberal
bronsexuals love to do. Just because you don't like what you're reading, doesn't mean you have to turn me into a bad person :)

[SATAN]

Stop crying mama's boy. Trying to corrupt our little debate like all you little liberal
bronsexuals love to do. Just because you don't like what you're reading, doesn't mean you have to turn me into a bad person :)

How many alts do you have?

[LAL]

How many alts do you have?

Im too old for alts. Trust me. Now focus.

[TheGoatest]

Poor, poor Kobe. It was all a conspiracy against him. :( :cry: Never saw a superteam in his life:

https://img.beckett.com/images/items/3159161/marketplace/98512842/front.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/08/6c/ff/086cffe8d124f20b4603373e1e764692.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/70/ae/a2/70aea20c9107c8f8238692dee88c2e44.jpg

[LAL]

Poor, poor Kobe. It was all a conspiracy against him. :( :cry: Never saw a superteam in his life:

https://img.beckett.com/images/items/3159161/marketplace/98512842/front.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/08/6c/ff/086cffe8d124f20b4603373e1e764692.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/70/ae/a2/70aea20c9107c8f8238692dee88c2e44.jpg

Rookie Kobe, no playing time, had to earn his place still. No kobe system from day one like lebron even tough 18 yr old kobe was more skilled and polished than prime bron.

no Malone in the finals, payton averaging less than fisher who came off the bench because triangle offense is no joke if you can't shoot well off ball, fat shaq, injured colorado kobe.

Dwight, Pau and Metta were swept in the first round without 34y mvp candidate carrying them. Nash wasn't even around.


At the end of the day. No weaknesses and 5/7.

[LAL]

I still have nightmares about d'antoni coming to lakers in 2012 with 40 year old Nash trying to recreate the phoenix suns for some reason. Kobe stayed calm and adjusted till it was time to start winning.

[LAL]

It's not a triple double, but those are the things that add to greatness while media ignores it.

[SATAN]

I know you think you're making some kind of witty point but you're only exposing your lack of basketball knowledge. Not trying to be mean but these guys are gonna eat you alive if you keep saying shit like that. It's too easy.

[LAL]

I know you think you're making some kind of witty point but you're only exposing your lack of basketball knowledge. Not trying to be mean but these guys are gonna eat you alive if you keep saying shit like that. It's too easy.

It's not that serious, but help me out then. Tell me where i'm wrong. It's not about winning or losing debates.. if you can truly change my mind, that's positive, that means i'm becoming more knowledgeable.

[LAL]

I know you think you're making some kind of witty point but you're only exposing your lack of basketball knowledge. Not trying to be mean but these guys are gonna eat you alive if you keep saying shit like that. It's too easy.

I raised and taught you in the past, why are you talking to me like that.

[SATAN]

I was referring to your triple double statements. It comes across as if you're either saying LeBron just wants triple doubles or since his stats include more rebounds and assists than someone else it's a way to diminish him which makes no sense? Unless you think ESPN are calling him a triple double machine? It's obvious he's not deliberately aiming for a triple double every game like Russ.

Don't really care for the thread topic as it's a matter of opinion and guess work. OP made it just to rile the LeBron guys up after reading something he disagreed with in another thread imo. :lol

[SATAN]

I raised and taught you in the past, why are you talking to me like that.

You are a very strange person. And LeBron is the goat.

[LAL]

I was referring to your triple double statements. It comes across as if you're either saying LeBron just wants triple doubles or since his stats include more rebounds and assists than someone else it's a way to diminish him which makes no sense? Unless you think ESPN are calling him a triple double machine? It's obvious he's not deliberately aiming for a triple double every game like Russ.

Don't really care for the thread topic as it's a matter of opinion and guess work. OP made it just to rile the LeBron guys up after reading something he disagreed with in another thread imo. :lol

Lol that's funny. All good.

[LAL]

You are a very strange person. And LeBron is the goat.

You write just like me. Told you. Love you too lil bro.

[aj1987]

Healthy prime seasons.

Wow more fmvp's playing bron ball (can't adjust) with superteams. In a weak east mostly too. Lost so many times as a ringchaser too.

Lebron has kobe in all around stats, just like westbrook and doncic soon.
Kobe is a better winner and less weaknesses.. so better player in reality?

Stats and media awards. Great!

Lebron is a great GM tho. That's the difference between him and other big all around stats guys like westbrook, harden and giannis.

Going by your autistic "logic", LeBron has 4 rings and 4 FMVP's, along with 2 MVP's in a 9 year span.

BTW, Kobe has 5 rings over a 11 year span. Go back to elementary school, you mouth breathing retard. :cheers:

[Gohan]

He has one less ring than Kobe did in through 17 seasons, but double the FMVP count

You can flip it either way you want but Kobe did more with less

[aj1987]

You can flip it either way you want but Kobe did more with less

The exact opposite is true. Kobe had prime/peak Shaq (a top 5-6 GOAT) for the first 8 seasons of his career. Replace rookie Kobe with rookie LeBron and they win more.

[Kblaze8855]

Because the Hornets had no individual owner to speak for them. The other 29 owners collectively owned them while searching for a new owner to replace the old one whos money dried up after a kidnapping and rape charge. So....seeing a potential dynasty in the works Dan Gilbert sent Stern this email:



Commissioner,
It would be a travesty to allow the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul) in the apparent trade being discussed.
This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets.
Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.
I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn't appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2384/dwight-howard). (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/996/pau-gasol) (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3206/marc-gasol) who may become a max-salary player).
I just don't see how we can allow this trade to happen.
I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.
When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?
Please advise...
Dan G.



And that was that.

Other teams were jealous....and unlike most times that happens....they all held equal stake in the team that tried to make it happen.

As Stern said...he didnt reverse the trade because it was never approved by the 29 owners to begin with.

Its shitty...but technically correct. They didnt let the GM do it because he worked for the teams that would lose to the Lakers if it went through.....

Rare situation....and they took advantage.

[TheGoatest]

Rookie Kobe, no playing time, had to earn his place still.

Kobe wasn't a rookie in 1997-98, and was considered good enough to be selected to the all-star game next to 3 other Lakers.


no Malone in the finals, payton averaging less than fisher who came off the bench because triangle offense is no joke if you can't shoot well off ball,

Karl Malone played in 4 of the 5 2004 finals games. That's 2 flat out factually wrong statements so far. Let's see if there are more.


fat shaq, injured colorado kobe.

"fat shaq"? He averaged 26.6 points on .631 shooting on 16.8 shots per game in the 2004 finals.
Kobe averaged 22.6 points on .381 shooting on 22.6 shots in the 2004 finals, which the Lakers lost because of Kobe's mega-failed attempt to win Finals MVP by blatantly stealing field goal attempts that clearly should've went to Shaq.

Kobe was "injured" in the 2004 finals? Where? I'm guessing it wasn't his wrist because he managed to chuck up nearly 23 shots per game over those finals.


Dwight, Pau and Metta were swept in the first round without 34y mvp candidate carrying them. Nash wasn't even around.

Why do you mention the 2013 Lakers losing playoffs when Kobe's Howard-Pau superteam weren't even in the playoff seeding when Kobe god injured? The 2013 Lakers with Kobe = out of the playoffs. The 2013 Lakers after Kobe got injured = made the playoffs.

Oh yeah, I forgot that for a season he also had this superteam (Andrew Bynum = All-NBA 2nd team):

https://i.cbc.ca/1.1918876.1381031032!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/620-pau-gasol.jpg

But this team is forgotten because Bynum's career plummeted right after that season.


At the end of the day. No weaknesses and 5/7.

Plenty of weaknesses.
Inefficient volume scorer who never cracked 47% shooting in his career.
Never averaged 7 rebounds nor 7 assists in his career.
No legendary signature playoff and especially finals performances.
Missed the playoffs in his prime.

Durant's comeback and play this season is making Kobe's decline look extra bad as we speak. And Durant didn't even need to fly to Germany to get a blatantly illegal blood-doping procedure.

Finally:

10/18 > 7/20

[LAL]

Kobe wasn't a rookie in 1997-98, and was considered good enough to be selected to the all-star game next to 3 other Lakers.

I know idiot. He got all star votes despite fighting for minutes. They saw it too.


Karl Malone played in 4 of the 5 2004 finals games. That's 2 flat out factually wrong statements so far. Let's see if there are more.


He missed 2 important games.



"fat shaq"? He averaged 26.6 points on .631 shooting on 16.8 shots per game in the 2004 finals.
Kobe averaged 22.6 points on .381 shooting on 22.6 shots in the 2004 finals, which the Lakers lost because of Kobe's mega-failed attempt to win Finals MVP by blatantly stealing field goal attempts that clearly should've went to Shaq.

No excuses, he played bad, was frustrated and Shaq sucked too, paytonsucked all year in a triangle was a negative if you WATCHED on both ends. It's one of Kobe's failed years and finals, lebron has those too, more then Kobe. Get it?




Kobe was "injured" in the 2004 finals? Where? I'm guessing it wasn't his wrist because he managed to chuck up nearly 23 shots per game over those finals.

I was talking about the knee surgery before the season, the rape case and attending court dates, the shoulder injury, conditioning, beef with lazy fat shaq.


Why do you mention the 2013 Lakers losing playoffs when Kobe's Howard-Pau superteam weren't even in the playoff seeding when Kobe god injured? The 2013 Lakers with Kobe = out of the playoffs. The 2013 Lakers after Kobe got injured = made the playoffs.

LOL no Kobe no playoffs. :oldlol:


Oh yeah, I forgot that for a season he also had this superteam (Andrew Bynum = All-NBA 2nd team):

https://i.cbc.ca/1.1918876.1381031032!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/620-pau-gasol.jpg

Lmao that's a superteam for you bronsexuals? He was already 5/7 at that point doesn't matter kid, he didn't need that chump or AD or Wade n bosh in a weak east or a disney ring to get to ring number 4.





Plenty of weaknesses.
Inefficient volume scorer who never cracked 47% shooting in his career.
Never averaged 7 rebounds nor 7 assists in his career.
No legendary signature playoff and especially finals performances.
Missed the playoffs in his prime.

lol

47% playing the MJ role in a triangle offense against bigger and better defenders and schemes? He can't average 7 rebounds and assists and westbrook, doncic, lonzo ball and harden can?
SiGnAtUrE MoMeNtS!! ...Just ****ing win.
Weaksauce


Durant's comeback and play this season is making Kobe's decline look extra bad as we speak. And Durant didn't even need to fly to Germany to get a blatantly illegal blood-doping procedure.
It's cool if you have durant above Kobe, that's not the discussion.


Finally:


10/18 > 7/20

Prime Healthy seasons.. 18 for lebron, 10 for Kobe. Maybe 11 or even 8 because he had some bad luck with injuries during his prime too. Depends.

Lebron had more oppurtunities, his fans were dissapointed by the losses, with Kobe it was more about his health.

Lebron wins longevity.

[Kiddlovesnets]

The Hornets were without an owner and rightfully owned by the NBA aka all the 29 owners of the other teams, they have rights to veto a trade. Its just that simple, though lets not act like a past-prime Kobe would've had won title with CP3 anyway.

[rawimpact]

The NBA owned New Orleans at the time and they didn't like the Lakers deal.

Not very mysterious.

Kobe couldnt do what LeBron does because Kobe didn't have friends.

Part of the reason Kobe wasnt more successful was because his personality limited his opportunities.

No that's bullshit. The deal was agreed upon -- it was other teams calling in to complain about the lopsided deal which in hindsight wasn't as lopsided considering Marc ended up being a three time all-star.

[TheGoatest]

I know idiot. He got all star votes despite fighting for minutes. They saw it too.

Okay, so you DO know that he was an all-star playing with 3 other all-stars on his team in 1998. And even though he was an all-star, he should be immune to criticism because...??
He was only a year younger, played one more season in the NBA and had a better supporting cast than Magic Johnson when he did this:

https://images2.imagebam.com/0d/1a/82/7c58af1366754549.jpg


He missed 2 important games.

He played the vast majority of the finals, and the Lakers lost when he played and when he didn't play. Playing in the vast majority of the finals doesn't round off to "didn't play in the finals" like you tried to mislead someone who might not know better.


LOL no Kobe no playoffs.

What? Is that supposed to be a counter-argument?

2013 Lakers while Kobe was playing = out of the playoffs
2013 Lakers without Kobe = made the playoffs

Those are not opinions, but facts.


Lmao that's a superteam for you bronsexuals? He was already 5/7 at that point doesn't matter kid, he didn't need that chump or AD or Wade n bosh in a weak east or a disney ring to get to ring number 4.

Yeah, calling those Lakers a super team because Bynum was all-NBA 2nd team is definitely more ridiculous than saying the 8.5 point on .362 shooting in the 2016 NBA finals Kevin Love (who by the way missed as many finals games in 2016 as Karl Malone in 2004) makes a team a superteam.

Or implying that Chris Bosh is on the level of Magic or Bird, or whoever he is supposed to be when you LeBron haters made this photoshop:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4a/ba/c5/4abac5d0a451404fb71c5e55a57a72fc.jpg

:roll:

:rolleyes:


lol

47% playing the MJ role in a triangle offense against bigger and better defenders and schemes? He can't average 7 rebounds and assists and westbrook, doncic, lonzo ball and harden can?
SiGnAtUrE MoMeNtS!! ...Just ****ing win.
Weaksauce

He shot .433 in 2004-05 when the Lakers weren't coached by Phil Jackson.

He couldn't average 7 rebounds or 7 assists in the same era when a 19-20 year-old LeBron averaged both in his 2nd season.
At least you admit that he doesn't have any signature games. And other players had signature games AND won.


It's cool if you have durant above Kobe, that's not the discussion.

I don't have Durant above Kobe yet in terms of career. I was just using Duran't combeack from injury to point out that Kobe's decline was another weakness in his resumé. It wasn't impossible for him to play better after his injury, especially taking his trips to Germany into consideration.


Prime Healthy seasons.. 18 for lebron, 10 for Kobe. Maybe 11 or even 8 because he had some bad luck with injuries during his prime too. Depends.

Lebron had more oppurtunities, his fans were dissapointed by the losses, with Kobe it was more about his health.

Lebron wins longevity.

LeBron had a nagging groin injury since the 18-19 season and still won the chip/Finals MVP last season.

And I hate to break it to you, but even if what you said was true with regards to LeBron having 18/18 healthy seasons and Kobe having 8/20 healthy seasons, which obviously neither is true to a ridiculous extent, then it still wouldn't matter. Newsflash: Injuries aren't taken into consideration in player ranking lists, and players are ranked based on what they actually did and not could have done.

Otherwise Bill Walton might be a top 10 player of all time and Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway might be top 20.

And if LeBron wins longevity, then what does that mean? That Kobe wins prime?

Here is what LeBron did in the 2012-13 season:

1. Awards: 1 vote away from unanimous MVP, Finals MVP + ring
2. Defense: 2nd in DPOY voting
3. Stats: Averaged 26.8 ppg, 8.0 rpg and 7.3 apg on .565 fg%/.406 3pt%/.753 ft%

You could literally pick make a concoction of these 3 from any of Kobe's 20 seasons and that combination wouldn't match LeBron's 2012-13, let alone surpass it.

[LAL]

Okay, so you DO know that he was an all-star playing with 3 other all-stars on his team in 1998. And even though he was an all-star, he should be immune to criticism because...??
He was only a year younger, played one more season in the NBA and had a better supporting cast than Magic Johnson when he did this:

https://images2.imagebam.com/0d/1a/82/7c58af1366754549.jpg



He played the vast majority of the finals, and the Lakers lost when he played and when he didn't play. Playing in the vast majority of the finals doesn't round off to "didn't play in the finals" like you tried to mislead someone who might not know better.



What? Is that supposed to be a counter-argument?

2013 Lakers while Kobe was playing = out of the playoffs
2013 Lakers without Kobe = made the playoffs

Those are not opinions, but facts.



Yeah, calling those Lakers a super team because Bynum was all-NBA 2nd team is definitely more ridiculous than saying the 8.5 point on .362 shooting in the 2016 NBA finals Kevin Love (who by the way missed as many finals games in 2016 as Karl Malone in 2004) makes a team a superteam.

Or implying that Chris Bosh is on the level of Magic or Bird, or whoever he is supposed to be when you LeBron haters made this photoshop:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4a/ba/c5/4abac5d0a451404fb71c5e55a57a72fc.jpg

:roll:

:rolleyes:



He shot .433 in 2004-05 when the Lakers weren't coached by Phil Jackson.

He couldn't average 7 rebounds or 7 assists in the same era when a 19-20 year-old LeBron averaged both in his 2nd season.
At least you admit that he doesn't have any signature games. And other players had signature games AND won.



I don't have Durant above Kobe yet in terms of career. I was just using Duran't combeack from injury to point out that Kobe's decline was another weakness in his resumé. It wasn't impossible for him to play better after his injury, especially taking his trips to Germany into consideration.



LeBron had a nagging groin injury since the 18-19 season and still won the chip/Finals MVP last season.

And I hate to break it to you, but even if what you said was true with regards to LeBron having 18/18 healthy seasons and Kobe having 8/20 healthy seasons, which obviously neither is true to a ridiculous extent, then it still wouldn't matter. Newsflash: Injuries aren't taken into consideration in player ranking lists, and players are ranked based on what they actually did and not could have done.

Otherwise Bill Walton might be a top 10 player of all time and Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway might be top 20.

And if LeBron wins longevity, then what does that mean? That Kobe wins prime?

Here is what LeBron did in the 2012-13 season:

1. Awards: 1 vote away from unanimous MVP, Finals MVP + ring
2. Defense: 2nd in DPOY voting
3. Stats: Averaged 26.8 ppg, 8.0 rpg and 7.3 apg on .565 fg%/.406 3pt%/.753 ft%

You could literally pick make a concoction of these 3 from any of Kobe's 20 seasons and that combination wouldn't match LeBron's 2012-13, let alone surpass it.

Too long.

But you're right. Lebron wins in stats (just like many other all around stats guys), media awards and longevity.

Kobe did more dammage in less time and had no weaknesses. Just like Bird and them.

LMAO @defense.

[LAL]

Lebron and his fans should focus on these newer all around stats guys, they might
beat him someday playing years in that drive & kickout system, that they invented
for lebron's weaknesses. Kobe and Jordan played a whole different ball game.

Then y'all bronstans gonna cry about how bron won more rings and shit. lol.

[LAL]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4a/ba/c5/4abac5d0a451404fb71c5e55a57a72fc.jpg

They're wrong because magic and bird should be younger.

[Bronbron23]

The NBA owned New Orleans at the time and they didn't like the Lakers deal.

Not very mysterious.

Kobe couldnt do what LeBron does because Kobe didn't have friends.

Part of the reason Kobe wasnt more successful was because his personality limited his opportunities.

Interesting never thought about it like that.

[StrongLurk]

Why do people keep bringing this up? There is no conspiracy.

[Bronbron23]

Lmao

Kobe wasn't perfect but he was defenitely more "coachable" than lebron ever was. Lol lebron can only play bron ball so please, don't compare that to playing in a triangle offense as a young guy having to adjust to anything and anyone, was he sulking you idiot? No he WON. Lebron is THE coach killer. :oldlol:

Kyrie??

Kyrie is out there creating litte complaining communist bums with victim mentality..

Kobe was all about being thankful, working hard, being a pro and being great at what you do (no weaknesses).

Wtf are you even doing?

I don't know about this. He definitely likes bron ball better but he did play in a system in miami for 4 years.

[Bronbron23]

Why do people keep bringing this up? There is no conspiracy.

Not saying it's a conspiracy. It's just weird that bron can join wade and bosh for chips and kd can joing steph and klay for chips but cp3 wasn't aloud to tream up with kobe. It's kind of b.s too because wade and kd are better than cp3.

And think about how that changes history. If cp3 is aloud to join kobe there's a goid chance they win a chip or 2 and now kobe is at 6 or 7 rings and probably another fmvp or 2. On the flip side If bron and steph aren't aloud colluding then steph is probably sitting on one chip and still no fmvps and bron probably has no rings or 1 ring if you don't consider kyrie and love colluding.

[Doranku]

The funny thing is the Hornets ended up with a worse package than what they would have received in the Lakers trade. Homeboys really ended up trading CP3 for Eric Gordon and Chris Kaman. :oldlol:

So basically, the owners who collectively owned the team screwed both the Lakers and the team they owned to benefit their own teams. Nice system.

Dan Gilbert is a slimy, slithery clown. Remember that emotional breakdown he had in the letter he sent to Cavs fans after The Decision? Shameful.

[rawimpact]

This is that piss poor owner Dan Gilbert writing a letter to stern regarding the trade:




Commissioner,

It would be a travesty to allow the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul in the apparent trade being discussed.
This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets.
Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.
I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).
I just don’t see how we can allow this trade to happen.
I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.
When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?
Please advise….
Dan G.

Source: https://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2011/12/09/letter-from-dan-gilbert-swayed-stern-to-kill-chris-paul-to-lakers-deal/

[Real14]

Because they didn't want Kobe to catch MJ.

[tpols]

Because the other owners freaked out about it since they thought it would be too over powered. If Kobe could cruise to titles with Pau what do you think he'd do with chris ****ing paul? :oldlol:

[Real14]

Because the other owners freaked out about it since they thought it would be too over powered. If Kobe could cruise to titles with Pau what do you think he'd do with chris ****ing paul? :oldlol:

Exactly :lol

[Gus Hemmingway]

Because the other owners freaked out about it since they thought it would be too over powered. If Kobe could cruise to titles with Pau what do you think he'd do with chris ****ing paul? :oldlol:

What did Kobe do with Dwight, Nash, Artest, Malone, Payton? :lol

[RRR3]

What did Kobe do with Dwight, Nash, Artest, Malone, Payton? :lol
Poooooor ttrolls

[Axe]

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:oldlol:

Idk why but i'm starting to feel that david stern was overrated.

[aj1987]

Not saying it's a conspiracy. It's just weird that bron can join wade and bosh for chips and kd can joing steph and klay for chips but cp3 wasn't aloud to tream up with kobe. It's kind of b.s too because wade and kd are better than cp3.

And think about how that changes history. If cp3 is aloud to join kobe there's a goid chance they win a chip or 2 and now kobe is at 6 or 7 rings and probably another fmvp or 2. On the flip side If bron and steph aren't aloud colluding then steph is probably sitting on one chip and still no fmvps and bron probably has no rings or 1 ring if you don't consider kyrie and love colluding.

Were you on drugs when you typed this out?

[SATAN]

Lebron and his fans should focus on these newer all around stats guys, they might
beat him someday playing years in that drive & kickout system, that they invented
for lebron's weaknesses. Kobe and Jordan played a whole different ball game.

Then y'all bronstans gonna cry about how bron won more rings and shit. lol.

People don't rate LeBron so high because his stats look better than certain other players (although it helps of course).

[Bronbron23]

Were you on drugs when you typed this out?

Yes but that's irrelevant

[LAL]

People don't rate LeBron so high because his stats look better than certain other players (although it helps of course).

Basketball abilities and skills? Nope.

I think it's because lebron won more than those guys.

Kobe still the better player and winner in less time.

[SATAN]

You are in the minority. Deal with it.

[Axe]

Basketball abilities and skills? Nope.

I think it's because lebron won more than those guys.

Kobe still the better player and winner in less time.
He had good help back then

[LAL]

He had good help back then

Needs less oppurtunities to win with help. Not easy as some atg's have proven.

[LAL]

You are in the minority. Deal with it.

I'm not a follower. I just see what's right and wrong. In my eyes.

[bluechox2]

nba owned the hornets at the time, and the owners around the league complained about it

[Hey Yo]

Bron has colluded twice. Warriors and kd did it and now brooklyn and kd are doing it. I have nothing against bron or anyone who did it but how come kobe couldn't do it?

And don't we have to give kobe more credit with this in mind. How many more rings does he have if he got cp3? How many less rings would bron, kd and steph have if they weren't aloud to?
Kobe did on draft day with the Lakers. Told coach Calipari and all other teams not named the Lakers, to not draft him cause he wouldn't sign. He wanted to take the easy route and be on a contender right away.

[Hey Yo]

Mr. King of stats/ringchaser has barely 4 rings with superteams in 18 prime healthy seasons. Many weaknesses, lots of media love, everything.

Kobe 5/7 out West in a 10 year prime/span. No ringchasing, no weaknesses, 1 all star teammate.

Triple doubles tho
A kobe fan calling another player a ring chaser?? Must not that big of a fan of him considering what happened right before the draft. Most Kobe fans know that.

[Hey Yo]

Basketball abilities and skills? Nope.

I think it's because lebron won more than those guys.

Kobe still the better player and winner in less time.
Kobe won his 2 rings in 14yrs................ LeBron won his first 2 in 10yrs

[Gohan]

Kobe won his 2 rings in 14yrs................ LeBron won his first 2 in 10yrs

After signing with a stacked team in free agency. Let’s be honest now