Miami Heat - What is happening? Were they a fluke?

[Nike D'Antoni]

I dont think they were a fluke. Because of playoffs to win a series, you need to win 4 games. It's not one 1 or 2 games

So what's going on? Is Jimmy Butler missing? was Jae Crowder that vital defensively, now he is doing that in Phoenix?

I do notice they have had a tough schedule too

twice Celtics
twice Sixers
twice Bucks
Mavs

Looking forward Miami guys to enlighten me here

[k0kakw0rld]

Oh shit Raptors and Heat got the same record now :roll::oldlol:

Fluke indeed....

[Micku]

A mixture of things. Under performed, tough schedule, missing their key players in key games. Lost a couple of close games. And Harkless ain't no Jae Crowder.

It's probably gonn'a be a rough year for Miami. They need each other collectively more so than any other top team I think.

[Nike D'Antoni]

Oh shit Raptors and Heat got the same record now :roll::oldlol:

Fluke indeed....


Both Toronto & Miami should come ahead of Orlando & Cleveland.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Theyre 1-4 without Jimmy whos their best player and a top 10 player in the league close to top 5 including that near 50pt beatdown to Milwaukee

with that said last years Mickey Mouse title doesnt count. Its a fake title not even good enough to be an asterisks

Bubble ball was a meme as weve seen with Murray/Mitchell/Ray Rondo etc all not playing anywhere remotely the same. The only constant is Shitbrick is garbage

Miami was 15-22 road last year and made finals as a 5th seed. That aint happening in a real season

travel/road games are a different breed

[k0kakw0rld]

Theyre 1-4 without Jimmy whos their best player and a top 10 player in the league close to top 5 including that near 50pt beatdown to Milwaukee

with that said last years Mickey Mouse title doesnt count. Its a fake title not even good enough to be an asterisks

Bubble ball was a meme as weve seen with Murray/Mitchell/Ray Rondo etc all not playing anywhere remotely the same. The only constant is Shitbrick is garbage

Miami was 15-22 road last year and made finals as a 5th seed. That aint happening in a real season

travel/road games are a different breed
Jimmy Butler is not a top 10 player in the league.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Jimmy Butler is not a top 10 player in the league.

:biggums::biggums::biggums:

name 10 better players

[Nike D'Antoni]

:biggums::biggums::biggums:

name 10 better players


Lebron
Kawhi
Giannis
Durant
Doncic
A.Davis
Jokic
Curry
Lillard


Ok.Maybe 10th

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

I remember checling box score few days ago and Butler was out. Still, im surprised they arent doing good.

[kawhileonard2]

The bubble you can't count. No fans at all. It's why Donovan Mitchell and Jamal Murray have more 50+ point games than Lebron James in the playoffs.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

The bubble you can't count. No fans at all. It's why Donovan Mitchell and Jamal Murray have more 50+ point games than Lebron James in the playoffs.

No travel/road games was more a factor but thats true too.

Games 1-3 were the lowest rated finals games in decades. Even the Spurs/Pistons series from 05 that mainly hardcores watched averages more viewers for games 1-3

fans knew it wasnt real :oldlol:

deyknow

[k0kakw0rld]

:biggums::biggums::biggums:

name 10 better players

LeBron
KD
Kawhi
Giannis
AD
Harden
Doncic
Curry
Lillard
Jokic
Embiid
Ben Simmons
Devin Booker
Paul George
Donovan Mitchell
CJ Mccollum
Zach LaVine
Klay Thompson
Bradley Beal
Russell Westbrook

That's more than 10 and I am missing some

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

The bubble you can't count. No fans at all. It's why Donovan Mitchell and Jamal Murray have more 50+ point games than Lebron James in the playoffs.

Stop making excuse's, in the bubble everyone had the same chances. Dont blame the other team/player for being mentally strong.

The excuses "the bubble dont count, my guy needs his lemon pepper chicken wings a day before a big game". "Bubble dont count because my guy needs his strippers rubbing up on him before each game".

Same chances, same opportunity, you team/player choked cause he wasnt mentally prepared/strong enough.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Embiid
Ben Simmons
Devin Booker
Paul George
Donovan Mitchell
CJ Mccollum
Zach LaVine
Klay Thompson
Bradley Beal
Russell Westbrook

That's more than 10 and I am missing some

:roll::roll::roll:

Jimmy played with 2 of those bums and was their best player in the playoffs. They went to him and changed around the Raptors series after they put the ball in his hands

Booker lmfaoo

Playoff P LMAOOO we talking playoffs too not just RS. Youre retarded if youre talking George over Butler in the playoffs

not even finna humor the rest specially Shitbrook. Beal plays 0 defense as well

Even Giannis is 0-2 against Jimmy and Jimmy is 7-3 in games in the playoffs now and got bodied both times badly.

Jimmy 25/5/4/2 on 49/40/81
Giannis 15/9/4/1 on 43/20/61

Im taking Jimmy in the playoffs. Jimmys better than a couple other guys from the top half you named but at least its debatable

Embiid
Ben Simmons
Devin Booker
Paul George
Donovan Mitchell
CJ Mccollum
Zach LaVine
Klay Thompson
Bradley Beal
Russell Westbrook

these nikkas tho :roll: you have to have a low ball IQ to even consider them over Jimmy

[k0kakw0rld]

:roll::roll::roll:

Jimmy played with 2 of those bums and was their best player in the playoffs. They went to him and changed around the Raptors series after they put the ball in his hands

Booker lmfaoo

Playoff P LMAOOO we talking playoffs too not just RS. Youre retarded if youre talking George over Butler in the playoffs

not even finna humor the rest specially Shitbrook. Beal plays 0 defense as well

Even Giannis is 0-2 against Jimmy and Jimmy is 7-3 in games in the playoffs now and got bodied both times badly.

Jimmy 25/5/4/2 on 49/40/81
Giannis 15/9/4/1 on 43/20/61

Im taking Jimmy in the playoffs. Jimmys better than a couple other guys from the top half you named but at least its debatable

Embiid
Ben Simmons
Devin Booker
Paul George
Donovan Mitchell
CJ Mccollum
Zach LaVine
Klay Thompson
Bradley Beal
Russell Westbrook

these nikkas tho :roll: you have to have a low ball IQ to even consider them over Jimmy
A closer doesn't mean a better player. Kyrie fans got it all confused. Embiid was their best player.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

A closer doesn't mean a better player. Kyrie fans got it all confused. Embiid was their best player.

Im not just talking close

in the Raptors series

Jimmy averaged 22/7/6 on 44% being defended by Kawhi and Danny
Embiid averaged 17/9/3 on 37% defended and shut down by Marc

From games 2-6 when Philly went 3-2 Jimmy averaged 26/8/7/1/1 on 47%

youd have to be retarded to think Embiid is a better player.

Look at how Jimmy completely changed Miami when he went there and the struggle Embiid and Ben had the next season including a 1st round sweep when they were 1 shot away from beating the champs with Jimmy

Jimmy got the bum @zz Wolves their only playoff appearance post KG and they were a top 4 seed with him healthy. Look how shit the Wolves continue to be after he gone

nikka saying Playoff P, Lavine, Shitbrick, DMitch, CJ, Ben is better than Jimmy:roll::roll::facepalm:hammerhead:

[k0kakw0rld]

Im not just talking close

in the Raptors series

Jimmy averaged 22/7/6 on 44% being defended by Kawhi and Danny
Embiid averaged 17/9/3 on 37% defended and shut down by Marc

From games 2-6 when Philly went 3-2 Jimmy averaged 26/8/7/1/1 on 47%

youd have to be retarded to think Embiid is a better player.

Look at how Jimmy completely changed Miami when he went there and the struggle Embiid and Ben had the next season including a 1st round sweep when they were 1 shot away from beating the champs with Jimmy

Jimmy got the bum @zz Wolves their only playoff appearance post KG and they were a top 4 seed with him healthy. Look how shit the Wolves continue to be after he gone

nikka saying Playoff P, Lavine, Shitbrick, DMitch, CJ, Ben is better than Jimmy:roll::roll::facepalm:hammerhead:
They are better than him. Put them in similar situations with a great coach and great organization and they will reach the finals as well.

Paul George is miles better than Jimmy Butler. You are an idiot if you believe otherwise. So you are a GM and you have the opportunity to draft one player out of
Jimmy Bulter
Embiid
Ben Simmons
Devin Booker
Paul George
Donovan Mitchell
CJ Mccollum
Zach LaVine
Klay Thompson
Bradley Beal
Russell Westbrook

You are telling me with a straight face that Jimmy goes first?

[Axe]

They're not playing like the eastern champions they were last year lmao. I guess that loss in the finals must've been heartbreaking until now. I'm barely convinced they'll make the finals again this year even if iggy is a lucky charm.

As for the raptors i guess you can understand them because they lost the two veteran centers from their championship roster which are replaced by bigger men who are not proven yet.

[Manny98]

LeBron
KD
Kawhi
Giannis
AD
Harden
Doncic
Curry
Lillard
Jokic
Embiid
Ben Simmons
Devin Booker
Paul George
Donovan Mitchell
CJ Mccollum
Zach LaVine
Klay Thompson
Bradley Beal
Russell Westbrook

That's more than 10 and I am missing some
:facepalm

[k0kakw0rld]

:facepalm
So you are telling that you will take Jimmy Butler over Bradley Beal? Klay Thompson? Devin Booker? Russell Westbrook? Donovan Mitchell?

Is that right? :lol :roll:

[Manny98]

So you are telling that you will take Jimmy Butler over Bradley Beal? Klay Thompson? Devin Booker? Russell Westbrook? Donovan Mitchell?

Is that right? :lol :roll:
Um.. yes

You're going to act like Butler didn't just take a Heat team to the finals and had a atg finals performance basically single handedly took the Lakers to 6 games?

Heat got blown out by the Pistons last night and Butler didn't play so it's clear that the Heats struggles have little to do with him

[k0kakw0rld]

Um.. yes

You're going to act like Butler didn't just take a Heat team to the finals and had a atg finals performance basically single handedly took the Lakers to 6 games?

Heat got blown out by the Pistons last night and Butler didn't play so it's clear that the Heats struggles have little to do with him
Bruuuh everybody became a GOD in the bubble for some reason. Sit your ass down. Jamal Murray is also top 10 I will assume?

Jimmy benefited from a great system. However, when you a top 10 player I am expecting you to score more than 12 points in an elimination game. And it's ease to perform when nobody expects anything from you. Which is exactly what Miami was last playoffs.

A huge surprise

[Reggie43]

They were the 5th seed last year for a reason. Having a good stretch of games and winning the East and earning a trip to the Finals doesnt make them that much better than the other contenders in the conference.

[Manny98]

Bruuuh everybody became a GOD in the bubble for some reason. Sit your ass down. Jamal Murray is also top 10 I will assume?

Jimmy benefited from a great system. However, when you a top 10 player I am expecting you to score more than 12 points in an elimination game. And it's ease to perform when nobody expects anything from you. Which is exactly what Miami was last playoffs.

A huge surprise
Yh everybody became a god.... Apart from Trashcals garbage ass

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[ImKobe]

Weakest Finals opponent of the last 2 decades, much worse than any team the 3-Peat Lakers faced.

[PeroAntic]

Jimmy Butler is not a top 10 player in the league.

You cant possibly be serious. Half the players you listed are not nearly as good as Butler. Curry is also a 'system player' and hes an all time great because of that. As for scoring 12 in an elimination game, when youre doing such an insane carry job and when youre a completely team oriented player, that can always happen and it doesn't mean by any means it was a bad game anyway. its something only a boxscore watcher can say.

[ArbitraryWater]

Weakest Finals opponent of the last 2 decades, much worse than any team the 3-Peat Lakers faced.

Why?

And how would that work, considering the 2020 Lakers are clearly better than the 2000 Lakers, yet both finals went 6 games.

[ArbitraryWater]

You cant possibly be serious. Half the players you listed are not nearly as good as Butler. Curry is also a 'system player' and hes an all time great because of that. As for scoring 12 in an elimination game, when youre doing such an insane carry job and when youre a completely team oriented player, that can always happen and it doesn't mean by any means it was a bad game anyway. its something only a boxscore watcher can say.

Oh my, big yikes.

[RRR3]

Team isn’t very good without their best player. Shocking I know.

[tpols]

Of course it was a fluke. They had +6000 odds last year to win the title. They're one of the worst Finals teams of all time.

For reference everybody would say the 2003 Nets were a weak Finals team and they were +1100.

[ImKobe]

Why?

And how would that work, considering the 2020 Lakers are clearly better than the 2000 Lakers, yet both finals went 6 games.

Injuries to Bam and Dragic & also no HCA.. 2000 Lakers went 6 because of Kobe's injury.

[k0kakw0rld]

You cant possibly be serious. Half the players you listed are not nearly as good as Butler. Curry is also a 'system player' and hes an all time great because of that. As for scoring 12 in an elimination game, when youre doing such an insane carry job and when youre a completely team oriented player, that can always happen and it doesn't mean by any means it was a bad game anyway. its something only a boxscore watcher can say.
Jimmy Butler is not a TOP 10 player. What makes him a top 10 player again? The same type of player as Peak Iguodala.

[jayfan]

Serious question-

Does anyone know why they chose to pay Meyers Leonard instead of Crowder?

I just don't understand it.



.

[PeroAntic]

Jimmy Butler is not a TOP 10 player. What makes him a top 10 player again? The same type of player as Peak Iguodala.

The fact that he carried his team through a bunch of superstars and challenged a juggernaught in the finals? In terms of mentality hes the best player in the league. Stats isn't everything, intangibles are incredibly underrated when it comes to evaluating a player. And Butler is a much better scorer than Igoudala. If he played for stats he would have looked much better on the statsheet, but he plays the right way in order to win.

[ArbitraryWater]

Injuries to Bam and Dragic & also no HCA.. 2000 Lakers went 6 because of Kobe's injury.

So?

Either way the 2020 Lakers were much better than the 2000 Lakers, yet both the Pacers and Heat took 2 games off of them, so clearly the Pacers couldnt have been better than the Heat.

Do you realize the Lakers would have had HCA and the Heat thrived in the no-HC environment? Lol

[ImKobe]

So?

Either way the 2020 Lakers were much better than the 2000 Lakers, yet both the Pacers and Heat took 2 games off of them, so clearly the Pacers couldnt have been better than the Heat.

Do you realize the Lakers would have had HCA and the Heat thrived in the no-HC environment? Lol

The Lakers in 2000 were the ones dealing with an injury to one of their best players, who basically missed two games and played injured the rest of the way vs. the 2020 Lakers catching a break with injuries to the opponents' 2 best players..

Yes, the 2000 Pacers were better when you factor in the injuries, you had a rookie Herro playing 40+ mpg when those two went down... they were down their rim protector and their point guard. The Heat were a 5 seed while the Pacers were #1 in their Conference as well.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Its not fluke, you dont advance to the finals as underdogs in both conference semi-finals and conference finals if its fluke. Luck can get you by at most 1 round, not 2. They are struggling for some other reasons, some players are missing, and the trade rumors did have an impact on the players too.

[Axe]

Can't forget the 2020 heat also won against the bucks in the semifinals when giannis crumbled to injury.

[fsvr54]

Imagine thinking Donovan Mitchell and Westbrook (not to mention Booker and Simmons) are better than Jimmy Butler.

[bobopenguin]

i am gonna be the judge here.
Embiid is better than Butler.

[zeerghit]

So you are telling that you will take Jimmy Butler over Bradley Beal? Klay Thompson? Devin Booker? Russell Westbrook? Donovan Mitchell?

Is that right? :lol :roll:

:roll:

[Nike D'Antoni]

Butler is probably not a top 10 player because you already have this 9 below lock as better than him

Lebron
Kawhi
Giannis
Durant
Doncic
A.Davis
Jokic
Curry
Lillard


Which one of these 9 are you kicking out to put butler into the top 10? Maybe at exactly 10th, he arrives.


Why is Klay Thompson in the discussion here? Klay right now is injured, no one knows how he will play after his injuries.

[PeroAntic]

Butler is probably not a top 10 player because you already have this 9 below lock as better than him

Lebron
Kawhi
Giannis
Durant
Doncic
A.Davis
Jokic
Curry
Lillard


Which one of these 9 are you kicking out to put butler into the top 10? Maybe at exactly 10th, he arrives.


Why is Klay Thompson in the discussion here? Klay right now is injured, no one knows how he will play after his injuries.

Lillard definitely, and probably also Doncic who beyond being a stat stuffer by way of ball monopolization hasn't proven that he can lead a team deep in the playoffs, and also Giannis the perennial playoff ragdoll whose only great in transition. Lebron, KD, Kawhi, Davis are obv better, and hes on par with Curry who is a system player with no defense and Jokic who got manhandled by a washed up Dwight Howard.

Butler is underrated af.