Who will be the next to pass Jordan after LeGOAT?

[Tobio-Star]

LeBron has make it look so easy even when he is playing in a much tougher era.

I feel like a lot of players will. Donovan and Murray have both already at least tied some of his records so you guys think there is a chance Baldan could fall off top 10 AT in the upcoming years? :confusedshrug:

[Axe]

Stfu hammy boi

[Tobio-Star]

Stfu hammy boi

Thoughts?

[trada7029]

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A small sample of historical and statistical-based arguments against Lebron


* Lebron had the goat choke in 2011 and cost Wade a FMVP... even if Lebron had won that year, the goat can't let a teammate be the Most Valuable Player (FMVP)..... and yet lebron LOST/choked, which is far worse!!!

* Lebron lost as the favorite from 2009-2011, which caused underdog status in 2012 despite a super-team.

* Lebron's cast avoided an 0-3 deficit in the 13' Finals while lebron averaged 16 on 39% for those games.. Ultimately, his 23 on 43% thru 6 games was insufficient, thus needing Ray Allen to force Game 7 and provide 2nd life.. Lebron was a net negative for the series (negative net rating - Heat lost with him on the floor, aka they had negative ortg/drtg differential).

* The odds were even heading into the 2014 Finals, yet Lebron lost by record amount to fossils

* It's a knock that lebron lost the 2017 Finals because kd had curry, but lebron had the guy that destroyed curry

* Lebron was blown away by record amount to the 18' Warriors, while AD takes the Warriors 5 and Harden takes them 7

* 22 on 35% in the 2007 Finals

* 26 on 35% in the 2008 ECSF

* Lost to 1-star teams (09', 11')

* In 18 seasons, he never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick (no carry-jobs against good teams in 18 years).

* starts at SF but becomes a 2nd point guard on the floor.. These 2-PG lineups give teammates less hold-time and assists then they get in traditional 1-PG lineups.. lower teammate assists result in low TEAM assists and a brand that struggles on the championship level (4/10)..

* He has a ball-dominant skillset, which imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning).. talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement, so lebron has a lottery record against the Spurs, Mavs and Warriors.

* 94% of lebron's jumpers are uncontested/he avoids them.. So Lebron shoots poorly at high volume because he's poor at the contested jumpshooting required of high volume loads (and additional mid-range).. Since he isn't efficient at high volume, he can't win rings that require high volume, such as rings with "true" 2nd options like Klay or Pippen that average significantly less points in the championship.. fortunately for Lebron, his sidekick was the playoff scoring champ so it was easy street

[theballerFKA Ace]

Lebron is firmly planted at #3 behind Kareem. He just benefits from recency bias atm. I remember when everyone had Kobe as top 5 in 2010. Lebron could certainly pass Kareem with another MVP and championship but if that doesn't happen, I got bad news for them. He'll drop in all time rankings with time. It's just a fact.

[Uncle Drew]

Lebron is firmly planted at #3 behind Kareem. He just benefits from recency bias atm. I remember when everyone had Kobe as top 5 in 2010. Lebron could certainly pass Kareem with another MVP and championship but if that doesn't happen, I got bad news for them. He'll drop in all time rankings with time. It's just a fact.

Lol, it's actually the complete opposite. Recency bias doesn't exist whatsoever. Players today are valued less due to nostalgia warriors. There's tons of examples for this. Curry!? he couldn't play in the 90s! Too physical, hur dur. The game today is shit, no defense is played! Embiid or Jokic? Give me Joe Kleine or Oliver Miller.

[Shooter]

Lebron is firmly planted at #3 behind Kareem. He just benefits from recency bias atm. I remember when everyone had Kobe as top 5 in 2010. Lebron could certainly pass Kareem with another MVP and championship but if that doesn't happen, I got bad news for them. He'll drop in all time rankings with time. It's just a fact.

*Jordan is firmly planted at #3. Thanks.

[Tobio-Star]

Doncic should be the 1st to officially surpass His Baldness after LeBron but something tells me that he won't be the only one

[Shooter]

Lol, it's actually the complete opposite. Recency bias doesn't exist whatsoever. Players today are valued less due to nostalgia warriors. There's tons of examples for this. Curry!? he couldn't play in the 90s! Too physical, hur dur. The game today is shit, no defense is played! Embiid or Jokic? Give me Joe Kleine or Oliver Miller.

100%

Jokic is probably a top 3 player in the 90s but in the new era he is just top 10 at best

[Tobio-Star]

100%

Jokic is probably a top 3 player in the 90s but in the new era he is just top 10 at best

Maybe we should count each LeBron ring as 2 to make it fairer?

[Shooter]

Doncic should be the 1st to officially surpass His Baldness after LeBron but something tells me that he won't be the only one

LeBron is ahead of Jordan

Luka and Zion have a small chance as well. Jordan might be top 7 by the end of 2035.

-7491 points will never be beaten
-2016 chip will never be beaten
-12 playoff game winners will never be beaten
-9x finals scoring leader for team will never be beaten
-the list goes on and on and on...

[trada7029]

LeBron is ahead of Jordan

Luka and Zion have a small chance as well. Jordan might be top 7 by the end of 2035.

-7491 points will never be beaten
-2016 chip will never be beaten
-12 playoff game winners will never be beaten
-9x finals scoring leader for team will never be beaten
-the list goes on and on and on...


He's played 18 years, so surely he has a bunch of scoring titles, assist titles, dpoy's or top 5 dpoy finishes... And he must have nearly 10 rings by now I'm sure

Help me out - where does he stand on "degree" of domination (scoring titles, assist titles, dpoy voting, ppg)

[Tobio-Star]

LeBron is ahead of Jordan

Luka and Zion have a small chance as well. Jordan might be top 7 by the end of 2035.

-7491 points will never be beaten
-2016 chip will never be beaten
-12 playoff game winners will never be beaten
-9x finals scoring leader for team will never be beaten
-the list goes on and on and on...

Fair enough

[trada7029]

LeBron is ahead of Jordan

Luka and Zion have a small chance as well. Jordan might be top 7 by the end of 2035.

-7491 points will never be beaten
-2016 chip will never be beaten
-12 playoff game winners will never be beaten
-9x finals scoring leader for team will never be beaten
-the list goes on and on and on...





* Zero game-winners on the championship level and lower overall frequency of winners

* 5 less points per game on weaker efficiency per possession

* No one would've expected the 16' Warriors to win if they knew MVP Curry wouldn't exist and would get destroyed by Kyrie - so lebron gets knocked for needing 7 games to defeat Curry despite Kyrie destroying Curry.

* a teammate led lebron in playoff scoring for 2011 and 2020 playoffs (2016 was a tie with Kyrie) - so lebron and everyone in history is a "pippen" that needed a "Jordan" capable of outscoring him.. mj is the only guy that just needed pippen (someone that produced far less in every series)

[Shooter]

* Zero game-winners on the championship level and lower overall frequency of winners

* 5 less points per game on weaker efficiency per possession

* No one would've expected the 16' Warriors to win if they knew MVP Curry wouldn't exist and would get destroyed by Kyrie - so lebron gets knocked for needing 7 games to defeat Curry despite Kyrie destroying Curry.

* teammate led him in playoff scoring in 2011 and 2020 (2016 was a tie with Kyrie) - so lebron and everyone in history is a "pippen" that needed a "Jordan" that could outscore him.. otoh, mj is the only guy that just needed pippen (someone that produced far less in every series)

I don't want uneducated kids spouting off at the mouth forgetting about LeGoat:

https://i.postimg.cc/kGSrjPvJ/LeBron_James_Dominates.png

Carry on

[trada7029]

I don't want uneducated kids spouting off at the mouth forgetting about LeGoat:

https://i.postimg.cc/kGSrjPvJ/LeBron_James_Dominates.png

Carry on


^^^ because he played longer

Jordan produced more:

per game
per series
per season
per 5 seasons
per 10 seasons
per 15 seasons


You're bragging about a guy needing way more games to match mj, which means you need to finish up that GED

[Shooter]

^^^ because he played longer

Jordan produced more:

per game
per series
per season
per 5 seasons
per 10 seasons
per 15 seasons


You're bragging about a guy needing way more games to match mj, which means you need to finish up that GED

They both played 13 playoffs. Jordan just made less Finals. 10 vs 6.

So no, not longer.

MJ was just getting butt fu**ed in the 1st round three straight years before Pip saved his looming career. Three straight 1st round exits? Yuck. LeBron would never.

I thought you knew basketball history?

[Kiddlovesnets]

Lebron has not passed MJ, he doesnt have a theoretical chance even. The 100% finals winning percentage is a necessary condition for GOAT, losing in the finals series once will disqualify any NBA players from GOAT conversation. Lebron is no longer eligible for GOAT since 2007, his ceiling is #2 all time if he wins more rings.

[Shooter]

Lebron has not passed MJ, he doesnt have a theoretical chance even. The 100% finals winning percentage is a necessary condition for GOAT, losing in the finals series once will disqualify any NBA players from GOAT conversation. Lebron is no longer eligible for GOAT since 2007, his ceiling is #2 all time if he wins more rings.

I don't want uneducated kids spouting off at the mouth forgetting about LeGoat:

https://i.postimg.cc/kGSrjPvJ/LeBron_James_Dominates.png

[Axe]

Thoughts?
Maybe harden or durant will do.

Now scram!

[Tobio-Star]

Maybe harden or durant will do.

Now scram!

Imagine the biggest snake ever in basketball passing you. Is Jordan this overrated?

[warriorfan]

I don't want uneducated kids spouting off at the mouth forgetting about LeGoat:

https://i.postimg.cc/kGSrjPvJ/LeBron_James_Dominates.png

Carry on

Yoooo every single player has been clicked on. SpaceJam2 been living on basketball reference ever since he got banned from ish :roll:

[Axe]

Imagine the biggest snake ever in basketball passing you. Is Jordan this overrated?
Maybe because he's just living rent free in you too, you buffoon.

[8Ball]

I don't want uneducated kids spouting off at the mouth forgetting about LeGoat:

https://i.postimg.cc/kGSrjPvJ/LeBron_James_Dominates.png

Carry on

LeBron, greatest playoff performer of all time.

[Gohan]

LeBron has make it look so easy even when he is playing in a much tougher era.

I feel like a lot of players will. Donovan and Murray have both already at least tied some of his records so you guys think there is a chance Baldan could fall off top 10 AT in the upcoming years? :confusedshrug:

It’s funny to me,you called me a bad poster before. Then you make some retarded thread like this. Get off lebrons d1ck he doesn’t even want you as a fan

[Shooter]

LeBron is ahead of Jordan

Luka and Zion have a small chance as well. Jordan might be top 7 by the end of 2035.

-7491 points will never be beaten
-2016 chip will never be beaten
-12 playoff game winners will never be beaten
-9x finals scoring leader for team will never be beaten
-the list goes on and on and on...

[DABIGSALSISHA]

The only thing that LeBareaJames is passing is the ball when the shot clock is approaching zero. Even the referees are teammate options in his choker mind.


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[Axe]

The only thing that LeBareaJames is passing is the ball when the shot clock is approaching zero. Even the referees are teammate options in his choker mind.


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Le tiny? Shew is this your dup?

[DABIGSALSISHA]

Le tiny? Shew is this your dup?

Are you sure?

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/6f/8e/cb/6f8ecbbc766f58469571a4620e7d50ea.jpg

Embidd confirmed, Letiny.

[2much_knowledge]

Great , another retard for the collection. They just keep spawning

[Sulico]

Luka Goatcic

[Shooter]

The only thing that LeBareaJames is passing is the ball when the shot clock is approaching zero. Even the referees are teammate options in his choker mind.


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He has most game winners all time. Sorry.

LeBron is ahead of Jordan

Luka and Zion have a small chance as well. Jordan might be top 7 by the end of 2035.

- 7491 points will never be beaten
- 2016 chip will never be beaten
- 12 playoff game winners will never be beaten
- 9x finals scoring leader for team will never be beaten
- LeUnbreakable

[8Ball]

Luca will be the next to surpass Jordan after LeBron did it in 2020.

[2much_knowledge]

Luca will be the next to surpass Jordan after LeBron did it in 2020.

Lol in case you didn't know. Luka is behing Bird's paste at the same point of their careers. Can't keep up with Larry, will never sniff the goat

[Axe]

Lol in case you didn't know. Luka is behing Bird's paste at the same point of their careers. Can't keep up with Larry, will never sniff the goat
He's had his first iconic moment in the playoffs last year. And he'll catch up before you can even know it.

[2much_knowledge]

He's had his first iconic moment in the playoffs last year. And he'll catch up before you can even know it.

Like i said. First 3 seasons. Luka is down in rebounds, steals, blocks, turnovers ratio, fg % , 3pts % , free throw %

Only up in points and assists. Bird up by 2 extra all Nba 1st team and a chip.

Fact that people have goat aspirations for Luka says alot of Bird

[Axe]

Like i said. First 3 seasons. Luka is down in rebounds, steals, blocks, turnovers ratio, fg % , 3pts % , free throw %

Only up in points and assists. Bird up by 2 extra all Nba 1st team and a chip.

Fact that people have goat aspirations for Luka says alot of Bird
Well naturally since he's just 22 years old atm. At least give him some time lol.

[8Ball]

Lol in case you didn't know. Luka is behing Bird's paste at the same point of their careers. Can't keep up with Larry, will never sniff the goat

Luka already plays the game at a higher level than Jordan did.

Jordan is smaller than Luka and inferior at passing.

Give Luka the 91-98 bulls and Luka is winning 8 championships.

[2much_knowledge]

Luka already plays the game at a higher level than Jordan did.

Jordan is smaller than Luka and inferior at passing.

Give Luka the 91-98 bulls and Luka is winning 8 championships.

Lol. Someone found his next player to suck off for the next 15 years. #busyMouth

[TheCorporation]

Curry has a shot

[Axe]

Curry has a shot
Doubtful slick

[TheCorporation]

Doubtful slick

Doubtful, but a shot nonetheless

[kawhileonard2]

No one will surpass Jordan period unless they turn an organization that never won into a dynasty and they go undefeated in series with HCA winning all the league mvp's and finals mvp's for the team and only gold medals for America.

[TheCorporation]

No one will surpass Jordan period unless they turn an organization that never won into a dynasty and they go undefeated in series with HCA winning all the league mvp's and finals mvp's for the team and only gold medals for America.

1. 7,631 LeBron
2. 5,987 Jordan

[2much_knowledge]

1. 7,631 LeBron
2. 5,987 Jordan


Extra games. Alot... not impressive

[Axe]

Carugoat

[Axe]

Doubtful, but a shot nonetheless
He'll end up being kobe who was curry before curry.

[Baller789]

1. 7,631 LeBron
2. 5,987 Jordan

Rank Player FT's made
1. Karl Malone* 9787
2. Moses Malone* 9018
3. Kobe Bryant* 8378
4. Oscar Robertson*7694
5. LeBron James 7600

Lebron is the fifth greatest free throw shooter in the history of the NBA right slick?

[TheCorporation]

Rank Player FT's made
1. Karl Malone* 9787
2. Moses Malone* 9018
3. Kobe Bryant* 8378
4. Oscar Robertson*7694
5. LeBron James 7600

Lebron is the fifth greatest free throw shooter in the history of the NBA right slick?

Literally no one cares about free throws but MJ stains :lol


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[Baller789]

Literally no one cares about free throws but MJ stains :lol


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Why would MJ stains care about free throws? He isn't even in the top 5.

You seem confused slick.

[2much_knowledge]

Literally no one cares about free throws but MJ stains :lol


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You would if he wasn't garbage lol

[Baller789]

You would if he wasn't garbage lol

Corp ain't too bright.

[ELITEpower23]

Literally no one cares about free throws but MJ stains :lol


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bUt tHem fReE tHroWs dOe :oldlol:

You better be parading Nash more

[2much_knowledge]

Corp ain't too bright.

19 years in and still can't get better. While some other guy knocked them down with eyes closed. Levels.....

[2much_knowledge]

Corp ain't too bright.

19 years in and still can't get better. While some other guy knocked them down with eyes closed. Levels.....

[Baller789]

bUt tHem fReE tHroWs dOe :oldlol:

You better be parading Nash more

C'mon man. Post those Lebron stats you love to parade here.:lebronamazed::lebronamazed:

[3ba11]

.
All-star appearances while playing with Kareem:

Magic 10
Worthy 6
Bob Dandridge 2
Jamaal Wilkes 2
Oscar 2
Flynn Robinson 1
Norm Nixon 1
AC Green 1
_____________
8 players, 25 appearances = 6/9 in Finals


All-star appearances while playing with Magic:

Kareem 10
Worthy 6
Jamaal Wilkes 2
Norm Nixon 1
AC Green 1
________________
5 players, 20 appearances = 5/9 in Finals


All-star appearances while playing with Bird:

Parish 9
McHale 6
Tiny Archibald 3
D Johnson 1
_____________
4 players, 19 appearances = 3/5 in Finals


All-star appearances while playing with Shaq:

Kobe 7
Wade 3
Penny 2
Eddie Jones 2
Van Exel 1
Horace Grant 1
_________________
6 players, 16 appearances = 4/6 in Finals


All-star appearances while playing with Lebron:

Wade 4
Bosh 4
Kyrie 2
Love 2
AD 2
Mo Williams 1
Zydrunas 1
______________
7 players, 16 appearances = 4/10 in Finals


All-star appearances while playing with Duncan:

Parker 6
Robinson 3
Ginobili 2
________________
3 players, 11 appearances = 5/6 in Finals


All-star appearances while playing with MJ:

Pippen 6
_______________
1 player, 6 appearances = 6/6 in Finals

[chefcurry]

luka!!!

[chefcurry]

maybe giannis but i doubt it. but he could build up quite the resume.

[ELITEpower23]

LeBron is ahead of Jordan

Luka and Zion have a small chance as well. Jordan might be top 7 by the end of 2035.

-7491 points will never be beaten
-2016 chip will never be beaten
-12 playoff game winners will never be beaten
-9x finals scoring leader for team will never be beaten
-the list goes on and on and on...

Any answer on this?

Damn this forum needs Shooter back by the way.

[Baller789]

Any answer on this?

Damn this forum needs Shooter back by the way.
Nope. Lebron is #3 GOAT only.

[2much_knowledge]

Any answer on this?

Damn this forum needs Shooter back by the way.

Nah , your throat is big enough lol

[TheCorporation]

Extra games. Alot... not impressive

Not impressive for MJ to play less games in 13 playoffs since he had three 1st round exits? I agree

[j3lademaster]

.
All-star appearances while playing with Kareem:

Magic 10
Worthy 6
Bob Dandridge 2
Jamaal Wilkes 2
Oscar 2
Flynn Robinson 1
Norm Nixon 1
AC Green 1
_____________
8 players, 25 appearances = 6/9 in Finals


All-star appearances while playing with Magic:

Kareem 10
Worthy 6
Jamaal Wilkes 2
Norm Nixon 1
AC Green 1
________________
5 players, 20 appearances = 5/9 in Finals


All-star appearances while playing with Bird:

Parish 9
McHale 6
Tiny Archibald 3
D Johnson 1
_____________
4 players, 19 appearances = 3/5 in Finals


All-star appearances while playing with Shaq:

Kobe 7
Wade 3
Penny 2
Eddie Jones 2
Van Exel 1
Horace Grant 1
_________________
6 players, 16 appearances = 4/6 in Finals


All-star appearances while playing with Lebron:

Wade 4
Bosh 4
Kyrie 2
Love 2
AD 2
Mo Williams 1
Zydrunas 1
______________
7 players, 16 appearances = 4/10 in Finals


All-star appearances while playing with Duncan:

Parker 6
Robinson 3
Ginobili 2
________________
3 players, 11 appearances = 5/6 in Finals


All-star appearances while playing with MJ:

Pippen 6
_______________
1 player, 6 appearances = 6/6 in FinalsThe problem with this list is the fact that players who played more seasons are going to have more teammates with all-star appearances.

[Thenameless]

He's played 18 years, so surely he has a bunch of scoring titles, assist titles, dpoy's or top 5 dpoy finishes... And he must have nearly 10 rings by now I'm sure

Help me out - where does he stand on "degree" of domination (scoring titles, assist titles, dpoy voting, ppg)

"Degree" of domination is Wilt Chamberlain, and only Wilt Chamberlain. The NBA record book will say so until the end of time. And if we want to talk Championships, it's only Bill Russell. No one since has matched the accomplishments of these two.

[3ba11]

Lebron had the preseason favorite from 2011-2016, but these favorites fell to underdog or loser by the Finals every year except the Ray Allen miracle..

So Lebron starts with the on-paper/talent favorite, but falls to underdog as the season progresses due to weak brand of ball.

[TheCorporation]

He has most game winners all time. Sorry.

LeBron is ahead of Jordan

Luka and Zion have a small chance as well. Jordan might be top 7 by the end of 2035.

- 7491 points will never be beaten
- 2016 chip will never be beaten
- 12 playoff game winners will never be beaten
- 9x finals scoring leader for team will never be beaten
- LeUnbreakable

Was this the final nail bois?

[TheCorporation]

LeBron is ahead of Jordan

Luka and Zion have a small chance as well. Jordan might be top 7 by the end of 2035.

-7491 points will never be beaten
-2016 chip will never be beaten
-12 playoff game winners will never be beaten
-9x finals scoring leader for team will never be beaten
-the list goes on and on and on...

Was this the deathstrike? I sense silence :pimp:

[Spurs m8]

Bumping these threads really show that you're struggling.

Poor little guy :(

[TheGoatest]

Durant and Luka both have a decent shot of passing him in scoring, and having him slip to as low as 7th in all-time points.
Imagine that - A "GOAT", who is mainly known for scoring, being 7th all time in points. Not that 5th is that much better to begin with. :oldlol:

[r0drig0lac]

6/6

[expansionera]

LeBron, Wilt, Russell, Bird, Hakeem, Kareem are the only guys I’d seriously entertain being better than Jordan. No one in the new generation aside from Bron touches Jordan

[Bronbron23]

LeBron has make it look so easy even when he is playing in a much tougher era.

I feel like a lot of players will. Donovan and Murray have both already at least tied some of his records so you guys think there is a chance Baldan could fall off top 10 AT in the upcoming years? :confusedshrug:

Pass mj? A guy who's scared of the foul line in big moments can't be goat bruh. And I'm not saying mj's goat but lefreethrow definitely ain't the goat.

[TheCorporation]

6/6

1-9 :lol

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