Jazz at Nuggets

[Xiao Yao You]

Projected Lineups

Position
Nuggets
Jazz




PG
Jamal Murray
Mike Conley


SG
Gary Harris
Donovan Mitchell


SF
Will Barton
Bojan Bogdanovic


PF
Paul Millsap
Royce O'Neal


C
Nikola Jokic
Rudy Gobert


Bench
Monte Morris, Isaiah Hartenstein, Facu Campazzo, PJ Dozier
Jordan Clarkson, Derrick Favors, Joe Ingles, Georges Niang




Ingles and Morgan out. Favors Proabable

Porter and someone from the end of their bench out

[Axe]

I wonder where nuggets fans are atm

@Nugzfan @bad tiger

[Xiao Yao You]

I wonder where nuggets fans are atm

@Nugzfan @bad tiger

Will there be more Nugget fans or Gobert trolls?

[Xiao Yao You]

Matchup of top to players in league. Jokic and Conley. Rudy off to a bad start at 16

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

[Axe]

All jazz starters have scored already lol

[Xiao Yao You]

All jazz starters have scored already lol

Denver not known for D and let most of their best defenders go in the off season. Jazz have looked good on that end the past 3 but tonite will be a big test

[Manny98]

Jokic always has career nights when he goes up against Rudy

12 points already :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Looks like the playoffs. Whoever plays some D will win

[Xiao Yao You]

Jokic always has career nights when he goes up against Rudy

12 points already :lol

Don't let the fact that they have been almost even or that Favors played much of the first get in the way of your trolling

[Xiao Yao You]

Going into last years playoffs which was as close as it gets

https://twitter.com/rgiss11/status/1294696641706881024

But Jokic dominates Rudy! Rudy one of the few guys he doesn't dominate :facepalm

[NBAGOAT]

Going into last years playoffs which was as close as it gets

https://twitter.com/rgiss11/status/1294696641706881024

But Jokic dominates Rudy! Rudy one of the few guys he doesn't dominate :facepalm

Rudy has had a better team mostly. You can stan gobert hard and I’ll agree with a lot of it but jokic is simply better.

[Xiao Yao You]

Rudy has had a better team mostly. You can stan gobert hard and I’ll agree with a lot of it but jokic is simply better.

Rudy has had a crappy team mostly as we've seen when he's been out for extended periods. Jokic has been the best player in the league so far. Rudy holds his own with anyone. Troll all you want!

[RRR3]

Going into last years playoffs which was as close as it gets

https://twitter.com/rgiss11/status/1294696641706881024

But Jokic dominates Rudy! Rudy one of the few guys he doesn't dominate :facepalm
Joking absolutely barbecued Rudy in the playoffs last year. 26.3 PPG on 62.4 TS%. Toody was getting lit up like a Christmas tree :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Rudy has had a crappy team mostly as we've seen when he's been out for extended periods. Jokic has been the best player in the league so far. Rudy holds his own with anyone. Troll all you want!
Rudy does not “hold his own with anyone”, stop it. You’re embarrassing yourself. Imagine trying to claim Rudy “holds his own” with the likes of LeBron, KD, Curry, Harden, Giannis, Kawhi, AD, Jokic, Embiid etc.

[NBAGOAT]

Rudy has had a crappy team mostly as we've seen when he's been out for extended periods. Jokic has been the best player in the league so far. Rudy holds his own with anyone. Troll all you want!

No the jazz could win 35-40 without Rudy even their weaker years. Jokic in 17 and 18 has teams that clearly be in the lottery without him. I’m not trolling jokic clearly beats gobert in impact metrics the last 3 years

[Axe]

Rudy has had a crappy team mostly as we've seen when he's been out for extended periods. Jokic has been the best player in the league so far. Rudy holds his own with anyone. Troll all you want!
Lol but the nuggets only came back in the postseason since two years ago

[Xiao Yao You]

Rudy does not “hold his own with anyone”, stop it. You’re embarrassing yourself. Imagine trying to claim Rudy “holds his own” with the likes of LeBron, KD, Curry, Harden, Giannis, Kawhi, AD, Jokic, Embiid etc.

16th in the league right now despite a slow start finishing.

[Kings2024Champs]

Another triple single for gobert tonight???

[Xiao Yao You]

No the jazz could win 35-40 without Rudy even their weaker years. Jokic in 17 and 18 has teams that clearly be in the lottery without him. I’m not trolling jokic clearly beats gobert in impact metrics the last 3 years

Why weren't they winning when Rudy emerged or the 3 times he missed a month than? Jazz have been good mostly because of Gobert just like Denver has mostly because of Jokic

[Xiao Yao You]

Lol but the nuggets only came back in the postseason since two years ago

and the Jazz two years before that. Millsap was there best player before Rudy!

[Axe]

They let murray score 24 in first half

[Xiao Yao You]

Another triple single for gobert tonight???

unlikely. He usually gets a double double

[Xiao Yao You]

They let murray score 24 in first half

Yep still no answer for him or any that Snyder will try anyway. But at least they got a backup center for 30 million!

[Axe]

Another triple single for gobert tonight???
Are you trying to suggest that he'll have shades of donkey green in this game?

[Axe]

and the Jazz two years before that. Millsap was there best player before Rudy!
And they still advanced past the wcsf last time. What a weird miracle.

[Xiao Yao You]

The trolls out in full force tonite. Where's Proctor hiding?

[NBAGOAT]

Why weren't they winning when Rudy emerged or the 3 times he missed a month than? Jazz have been good mostly because of Gobert just like Denver has mostly because of Jokic

Gobert no doubt adds wins to his team, jokic just adds more. Jazz went 11-15 the year gobert missed a lot of games and that’s respectable. Nuggets were a clear lottery team without jokic

[Xiao Yao You]

Gobert no doubt adds wins to his team, jokic just adds more. Jazz went 11-15 the year gobert missed a lot of games and that’s respectable. Nuggets were a clear lottery team without jokic

Jokic best player in the league so far as I showed. When did they go 11-15 without Gobert? Certainly don't remember that

[Proctor]

The trolls out in full force tonite. Where's Proctor hiding?
What? Are you talking to yourself again?

[Xiao Yao You]

What? Are you talking to yourself again?

no the trolls abound tonite! Not the same without you though man

[NBAGOAT]

Jokic best player in the league so far as I showed. When did they go 11-15 without Gobert? Certainly don't remember that

2018, how do you not remember something that recent :lol

[Proctor]

no the trolls abound tonite! Not the same without you though man
I'm flattered, but I don't troll :cheers:

I'm not in love with Gobert but I acknowledge he's probably a top 10 center...12 at worst.

[RRR3]

40 combined at the half for Murray and Jokic. I see Toody is still helpless trying to guard that pick and roll :lol

[RRR3]

I'm flattered, but I don't troll :cheers:

I'm not in love with Gobert but I acknowledge he's probably a top 10 center...12 at worst.
This. He’s a Myles Turner level player. Nothing wrong with that but Xiao keeps acting like he’s Hakeem.

[Proctor]

This. He’s a Myles Turner level player. Nothing wrong with that but Xiao keeps acting like he’s Hakeem.
I'd take Myles any day - 3 point ability and better shotblocker.

[Xiao Yao You]

2018, how do you not remember something that recent :lol

Wish I could forget the Rubio shit show. They were closer to the worst record in the league than the playoffs when he came back the 2nd time and led them to the 5th seed. I count 10-18. Not respectable at all. Denver was close to the playoffs the year before they made it to.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01/gamelog/2018

[Xiao Yao You]

I'd take Myles any day - 3 point ability and better shotblocker.

as long as you have someone to rebound I guess

[Xiao Yao You]

I'm flattered, but I don't troll :cheers:

I'm not in love with Gobert but I acknowledge he's probably a top 10 center...12 at worst.

that's trollin

[Xiao Yao You]

This. He’s a Myles Turner level player. Nothing wrong with that but Xiao keeps acting like he’s Hakeem.

Never said that. One of the best two way players in the game no doubt though

[Axe]

Joker is nearing a double-double as we speak

[Axe]

Oof he already did just now

[Xiao Yao You]

Jazz lack of size killing them again. It's what cost them in the playoffs. When Denver went big it was over. But at least they got their backup center for 30 mill!

[NBAGOAT]

Wish I could forget the Rubio shit show. They were closer to the worst record in the league than the playoffs when he came back the 2nd time and led them to the 5th seed. I count 10-18. Not respectable at all. Denver was close to the playoffs the year before they made it to.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01/gamelog/2018

You got to relearn your math skills lol. 48-34 overall, 37-19 with gobert so 11-15 without him. Denver was only in the playoff race because jokic was carrying them and played the whole year. Millsap missed most of the year and was the anchor of their defense and they didn’t have depth back then. Murray wasn’t nearly as good as Mitchell back then.

Some metrics 2018:

rpm: jokic 5.97 gobert 3.82
Raptor: jokic 5.47 gobert 3.27
Bpm: jokic 5.9 gobert 3.4

Jokic gobert wasn’t a debate as soon as jokic broke out pretty much

[Xiao Yao You]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...layer-ratings/ (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/)

Turner at 26

[RRR3]

Toody airballs a free throw and then bricks a layup. Currently averaging 11.9 PPG


Xiao: He's a two way player!



:yaohappy:

[Xiao Yao You]

You got to relearn your math skills lol. 48-34 overall, 37-19 with gobert so 11-15 without him. Denver was only in the playoff race because jokic was carrying them and played the whole year. Millsap missed most of the year and was the anchor of their defense and they didn’t have depth back then. Murray wasn’t nearly as good as Mitchell back then.

Some metrics 2018:

rpm: jokic 5.97 gobert 3.82
Raptor: jokic 5.47 gobert 3.27
Bpm: jokic 5.9 gobert 3.4

Jokic gobert wasn’t a debate as soon as jokic broke out pretty much

Rudy Defensive player of the year

[Axe]

Denver losing steam. Not much scoring from the team outside of joker and murray.

[Xiao Yao You]

Toody airballs a free throw and then bricks a layup. Currently averaging 11.9 PPG


Xiao: He's a two way player!



:yaohappy:

Hasn't been his usually elite self finishing and is struggling at the line. I'll take the last 6 years over a few games though

[Xiao Yao You]

Denver losing steam. Not much scoring from the team outside of joker and murray.

what's new?

[Xiao Yao You]

Niang! You can only hope to slow him down :cheers:

[RRR3]

Hasn't been his usually elite self finishing and is struggling at the line. I'll take the last 6 years over a few games though
His career high in PPG is 15.9 and he can't create his own offense AT ALL. Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself.

[NBAGOAT]

Rudy Defensive player of the year

rudys also a net negative on offense back then. he wasnt last year but he wasnt dpoy last year.

[Xiao Yao You]

His career high in PPG is 15.9 and he can't create his own offense AT ALL. Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself.

Elite finisher, elite screener and elite offensive rebounder. One of the best offensive players in the league as the advanced numbers show again and again.

[RRR3]

Elite finisher, elite screener and elite offensive rebounder. One of the best offensive players in the league as the advanced numbers show again and again.
:roll: :roll: :roll: Stop it.

[NBAGOAT]

Elite finisher, elite screener and elite offensive rebounder. One of the best offensive players in the league as the advanced numbers show again and again.

there is one stat that shows that and it's trash in win shares. it just rewards super efficient players who dont turn it over so lob men are overvalued. Capela deandre types dominate that stat too offensively. any decent impact metric gobert is often a negative because not being to shoot will hurt your offense and force you to play 4 other shooters.

you love complaining about ricky rubio but he was very playable when he played with a center who could take 3's in baynes and he's just average too

[Kings2024Champs]

If somebody says rudy is elite offensively we shouldnt laugh we should be concerned

[Proctor]

Elite finisher, elite screener and elite offensive rebounder. One of the best offensive players in the league as the advanced numbers show again and again.
The Gobert trolls are out tonight

[RRR3]

If somebody says rudy is elite offensively we shouldnt laugh we should be concerned
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

there is one stat that shows that and it's trash in win shares. it just rewards super efficient players who dont turn it over so lob men are overvalued. Capela deandre types dominate that stat too offensively. any decent impact metric gobert is often a negative because not being to shoot will hurt your offense and force you to play 4 other shooters.

you love complaining about ricky rubio but he was very playable when he played with a center who could take 3's in baynes and he's just average too

Your forced to play shooters regardless in today's game if you want to be good. Rubio was in the lottery last year no? He's very playable if winning isn't the goal. He's where he belongs this year on the bench. Plays with a lot of energy.

[Xiao Yao You]

:roll: :roll: :roll: Stop it.

Elite at 4 things. How many players can say that? Any? It certainly isn't many

[Xiao Yao You]

The Gobert trolls are out tonight

Indeed they are. Where's the Nugget fans?

[RRR3]

Elite at 4 things. How many players can say that? Any? It certainly isn't many
He's no more of an "elite finisher" than Mitchell Robinson. Stop it. We really talking about screens lmao

[RRR3]

Toody is helpless trying to guard Jokic lol

[Proctor]

He's no more of an "elite finisher" than Mitchell Robinson. Stop it. We really talking about screens lmao

:roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

He's no more of an "elite finisher" than Mitchell Robinson. Stop it. We really talking about screens lmao

Rudy holds the dunk record and is 2 all time in effective FG% and 2 point FG%. Elite

[AlternativeAcc.]

Gobert is horrible

[Axe]

Can't rudy gobert be more respected at least, especially when he made the all-star team for the very first time last year?

Jk.

[Xiao Yao You]

great pass

[RRR3]

Rudy holds the dunk record and is 2 all time in effective FG% and 2 point FG%. Elite
Mitchell Robinson has the all time record for FG% in a single season (74.2%) and had 185 dunks in 61 games last year. Elite.

[Xiao Yao You]

Gobert is horrible

and 16th in the league. What does that say about the league?

[LoneyROY7]

Damn, Joker putting numbers on Toody tonight.

[Xiao Yao You]

Can't rudy gobert be more respected at least, especially when he made the all-star team for the very first time last year?

Jk.

should have been his 3rd. He'll take all NBA over Embiid any day though! :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Mitchell Robinson has the all time record for FG% in a single season (74.2%) and had 185 dunks in 61 games last year. Elite.

23 minutes a game on a shitty team. Get back to me when he's carrying the Knicks like Rudy has the Jazz

[RRR3]

Damn, Joker putting numbers on Toody tonight.
Nothing new. He's way too strong and skilled for Toody to handle.

[AlternativeAcc.]

and 16th in the league. What does that say about the league?

16th best center?

[Xiao Yao You]

Nothing new. He's way too strong and skilled for Toody to handle.

and yet they've been pretty much even in their all time matchups

[RRR3]

23 minutes a game on a shitty team. Get back to me when he's carrying the Knicks like Rudy has the Jazz
You do realize Rudy carries them on DEFENSE, not offense, right? He and Robinson are basically the same player on offense.

[Xiao Yao You]

16th best center?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...layer-ratings/ (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/)

[RRR3]

and yet they've been pretty much even in their all time matchups
26.3 PPG on 62.4 TS% against Toody in the playoffs last year :roll:

BBQ chicken.

[Xiao Yao You]

You do realize Rudy carries them on DEFENSE, not offense, right? He and Robinson are basically the same player on offense.

Again when Robinson is playing big minutes and carrying his team let me know. I do now that the Jazz offense revolves around Rudy screens and the pressure at the rim running and offensive rebounding.

[RRR3]

Again when Robinson is playing big minutes and carrying his team let me know. I do now that the Jazz offense revolves around Rudy screens and the pressure at the rim running and offensive rebounding.
The Jazz offense does not revolve around Rudy ****ing Gobert you ****ing retard :facepalm

Is this a bit?

[Xiao Yao You]

Another loss for the unstoppable Jokic! :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

The Jazz offense does not revolve around Rudy ****ing Gobert you ****ing retard :facepalm

Is this a bit?

Conley has stepped up this year and helped him out :cheers:

[RRR3]

Another loss for the unstoppable Jokic! :lol
Sure beat Toody when it counted tho didn't he?


Keep celebrating regular season wins. Also LOL at acting like Jokic didnt abuse your hero today.

[Xiao Yao You]

Defense was pretty good the last 3 quarters going against the top offense in the league. Showing good signs at that end. Great nights for Rudy, Clarkson and Niang

[Xiao Yao You]

Sure beat Toody when it counted tho didn't he?


Keep celebrating regular season wins. Also LOL at acting like Jokic didnt abuse your hero today.

The Nuggets beat the Jazz yes. No surprise. He does all he can. If Conley can keep it up this year things might be different

[Xiao Yao You]

Sure beat Toody when it counted tho didn't he?


Keep celebrating regular season wins. Also LOL at acting like Jokic didnt abuse your hero today.

I see 6 TO's and a loss. Below his averages in assists and rebounds. Favors was part of it as well. Rudy plus 8 to plus 6 for Jokic if you like that stupid stat as well :banana:

[RRR3]

The Nuggets beat the Jazz yes. No surprise. He does all he can. If Conley can keep it up this year things might be different
The main reason they won is because Toody can’t guard the Murray Jokic P+R :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

The main reason they won is because Toody can’t guard the Murray Jokic P+R :roll:

1 guy is supposed to stop 2? He's probably better at it than anyone but really?

[NBAGOAT]

1 guy is supposed to stop 2? He's probably better at it than anyone but really?

no ad is much better at it that rudy. Again you stan him way too hard and I'm a fan of his who thinks he has a decent case to be top 20.

[Xiao Yao You]

no ad is much better at it that rudy. Again you stan him way too hard and I'm a fan of his who thinks he has a decent case to be top 20.

Can't see any case for him not being top 20. There aren't that many many guys carrying their teams and are forces at both ends

[AlternativeAcc.]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...layer-ratings/ (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/)

What is that nerdy shit?

And he's not even on the ****ing list :oldlol:

[NBAGOAT]

Can't see any case for him not being top 20. There aren't that many many guys carrying their teams and are forces at both ends

rudy isnt a force at the offensive end. rim runners/screen setters are pretty replaceable and most teams would prefer a stretch big. impact metrics confirm even last year he's a small positive. I lean him top 20 but yes a case can be made against him.

To try to name 20 guys.

Guys who will have strong cases over him imo by end of the year:
lebron, ad, kawhi, george, lillard, luka, jokic, curry, tatum, giannis, embiid, durant, harden, butler. that's 14

many guys to consider:

booker, cj, porzingis, ingram, towns, brown, middleton, sabonis ,simmons, kyrie, trae, bam, beal, lowry. that's 14 more

[Xiao Yao You]

rudy isnt a force at the offensive end. rim runners/screen setters are pretty replaceable and most teams would prefer a stretch big. impact metrics confirm even last year he's a small positive. I lean him top 20 but yes a case can be made against him.

To try to name 20 guys.

Guys who will have strong cases over him imo by end of the year:
lebron, ad, kawhi, george, lillard, luka, jokic, curry, tatum, giannis, embiid, durant, harden, butler. that's 14

many guys to consider:

booker, cj, porzingis, ingram, towns, brown, middleton, sabonis ,simmons, kyrie, trae, bam, beal, lowry. that's 14 more

he's an elite rim runner/screen setter. He's not replacable. Capela certainly didn't look the same without Harden. None of the guys to consider have carried crappy teams. None! Most of them have done a lot of losing which is what the Jazz would be doing without Gobert carrying them. Why is great offense and bad defense better than great defense and not bad offense?

[NBAGOAT]

he's an elite rim runner/screen setter. He's not replacable. Capela certainly didn't look the same without Harden. None of the guys to consider have carried crappy teams. None! Most of them have done a lot of losing which is what the Jazz would be doing without Gobert carrying them. Why is great offense and bad defense better than great defense and not bad offense?

A lot of the guys u listed don’t play bad defense at all. Capela looks bad because he’s coming off an injury likely won’t ever be the same. deandre was fine the first few years even without Paul before he aged. When has gobert carried a truly crappy team, Utah went 11-15 without him, a 35 win pace so you have no point saying the debatable guys I’ve listed haven’t carried either.

The first can be better because individual players can carry more offensively. According to Taylor from backpicks, by scaled apm the best offensive seasons ever can go over +6pts a game while best defensive season be lucky to top +5. Individual defense matters more than people think but still falls behind individual offense. FYI no gobert doesn’t top this metric either on defense historically. Guys like Duncan kg dray are clearly ahead of him.

[Xiao Yao You]

A lot of the guys u listed don’t play bad defense at all. Capela looks bad because he’s coming off an injury likely won’t ever be the same. deandre was fine the first few years even without Paul before he aged. When has gobert carried a truly crappy team, Utah went 11-15 without him, a 35 win pace so you have no point saying the debatable guys I’ve listed haven’t carried either.

The first can be better because individual players can carry more offensively. According to Taylor from backpicks, by scaled apm the best offensive seasons ever can go over +6pts a game while best defensive season be lucky to top +5. Individual defense matters more than people think but still falls behind individual offense. FYI no gobert doesn’t top this metric either on defense historically. Guys like Duncan kg dray are clearly ahead of him.

Deandre was never close to the defender Gobert is. Gobert never had Harden or Paul feeding him. Ingles is probably the best he has had!

They were tanking when he emerged and carried them to the 6th best record in the league in 2014-15. The next year they still acted like they were tanking despite that great finish with Neto and Pleiss their only additions to a team with Exum/Burke at pg! Only him getting hurt kept that same crappy squad out of the playoffs. The next year they finally acted like they cared because Hayward could leave. But it still took Favors being hurt to put shooters around their best player. He put up over 17 a game with the last legs of Joe Johnson and the corpse of Boris Diaw replacing Favors at the 4. Despite the blueprint being obvious they let Hill go and added Rubio. Put Favors and Hood back in the starting lineup. What a shitshow that was for two years! Rudy carried them.

Why aren't Trae Young, Beal etc. leading their crappy teams to wins in a crappy conference if they are so great? We've seen Green isn't that great without great talent around him.

[NBAGOAT]

Deandre was never close to the defender Gobert is. Gobert never had Harden or Paul feeding him. Ingles is probably the best he has had!

They were tanking when he emerged and carried them to the 6th best record in the league in 2014-15. The next year they still acted like they were tanking despite that great finish with Neto and Pleiss their only additions to a team with Exum/Burke at pg! Only him getting hurt kept that same crappy squad out of the playoffs. The next year they finally acted like they cared because Hayward could leave. But it still took Favors being hurt to put shooters around their best player. He put up over 17 a game with the last legs of Joe Johnson and the corpse of Boris Diaw replacing Favors at the 4. Despite the blueprint being obvious they let Hill go and added Rubio. Put Favors and Hood back in the starting lineup. What a shitshow that was for two years! Rudy carried them.

Why aren't Trae Young, Beal etc. leading their crappy teams to wins in a crappy conference if they are so great? We've seen Green isn't that great without great talent around him.

joe johnson was still good with utah lol, i would know as a cp3 guy he killed the clips. you are disregarding mitchell's scoring and how good ingles is who's a very high impact player. favors is a solid player when he plays the 5 so no Utah wasnt that crappy. again you have no counter to 11-15. Young and Beal could be better this year is what i'm arguing, yes gobert was better in previous years.

If you want carry jobs from previous years then lowry lead derozan who's not that good and role players to 56 wins lol. easily eclipses anything goberts ever done and he's still very good.

[Xiao Yao You]

joe johnson was still good with utah lol, i would know as a cp3 guy he killed the clips. you are disregarding mitchell's scoring and how good ingles is and favors is a solid player so no Utah wasnt that crappy. again you have no counter to 11-15 and gobert usually being a Young and Beal could be better this year is what i'm arguing.

If you want carry jobs then lowry lead derozan who's not that good and role players to 56 wins lol. easily eclipses anything goberts ever done and he's still very good

That was Joe's last hurrah. He wasn't good the following year. Mitchell scores a lot on low efficiency and plays little D. Ingles is a great role player who's been on the decline the past two years. Favors is a backup who was playing out of position and ruining the spacing. Crappy team without Rudy. Crappy teams have some good players. Lowry and Derozan carrying them in a crappy conference. Young and Beal could be better. One guy can carry a team. I saw Kirilenko do it as well. You're not going to convince me a guy putting up big numbers on a bad team is better than Gobert especially in the east. How many top 2 picks does Towns need next to him to win games? Porzingas can blame Dolan I guess?

[NBAGOAT]

That was Joe's last hurrah. He wasn't good the following year. Mitchell scores a lot on low efficiency and plays little D. Ingles is a great role player who's been on the decline the past two years. Favors is a backup who was playing out of position and ruining the spacing. Crappy team without Rudy. Crappy teams have some good players. Lowry and Derozan carrying them in a crappy conference. Young and Beal could be better. One guy can carry a team. I saw Kirilenko do it as well. You're not going to convince me a guy putting up big numbers on a bad team is better than Gobert especially in the east. How many top 2 picks does Towns need next to him to win games? Porzingas can blame Dolan I guess?

well first keep in mind we're talking about this year where the East isnt even that much weaker than the West. Gobert's team currently is also very strong. memphis conley is back playing at an all star level. the 8 man rotation is quite strong with not a weak player anywhere besides bojan's slow start.

joe has been a high impact player for 4 straight years. his numbers have declined but because he's a good defender and is so versatile offensively, he's a big positive for any team.

difference in conference does not make gobert better than kyle lowry lol who has been a top 10 lvl player multiple years. it makes like a point difference at most.

Young is in his 3rd year so we dont know how good he can be but the potential is there. Beal is scoring 35, he deserves consideration over gobert if washington bounces back into the playoff race.

top 2 picks do nothing for towns when they're busts, wiggins was just losing games for minnesota. he's also injury prone tbf so that makes him worse than gobert but we'll see this year. Porzingis ofc has dolan to blame lol, his best teammate in ny was past prime melo. he was great for dallas last year even after a slow start..

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well first keep in mind we're talking about this year where the East isnt even that much weaker than the West. Gobert's team currently is also very strong. memphis conley is back playing at an all star level. the 8 man rotation is quite strong with not a weak player anywhere besides bojan's slow start.

joe has been a high impact player for 4 straight years. his numbers have declined but because he's a good defender and is so versatile offensively, he's a big positive for any team.

difference in conference does not make gobert better than kyle lowry lol who has been a top 10 lvl player multiple years. it makes like a point difference at most.

Young is in his 3rd year so we dont know how good he can be but the potential is there. Beal is scoring 35, he deserves consideration over gobert if washington bounces back into the playoff race.

top 2 picks do nothing for towns when they're busts, wiggins was just losing games for minnesota. he's also injury prone tbf so that makes him worse than gobert but we'll see this year. Porzingis ofc has dolan to blame lol, his best teammate in ny was past prime melo. he was great for dallas last year even after a slow start..

a bit early to say no one is weak in their rotation. The D has showed signs of being pretty good in the last few but besides tonite it was against bad teams from the east. Unless they play D this year than they aren't that strong. A lot more to the game than hitting 3's.

Didn't say he was better than Lowry. Lowry plays both ends at a high level. You're trying to tell me guys on bad teams that put up big offensive numbers and don't play D are. I can't get behind that. Winning means something and so does playing both ends. When Beal's team doesn't suck let me know. D'Angelo and Anthony Edwards are busts? Also have a high pick in Ricky! :lol Towns problem is defense. Jimmy Butler might have even more to say about that one