Is LeBron really not clutch?

[GrayGoat]

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[trada7029]

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Jordan's were all in the Finals

Lebron has zero in the Finals and isn't capable on the championship level

It's a statistical fact that he avoids contested jumpers, so his clutch shots are all lower-importance shots in earlier rounds due to longevity, excessive opportunity

[GrayGoat]

Jordan's were all in the Finals

Lebron has zero in the Finals and isn't capable on the championship level

It's a statistical fact that he avoids contested jumpers, so his clutch shots are all lower-importance shots in earlier rounds due to longevity, excessive opportunity

LeBron won the chip a few months ago. How do you feel?

[trada7029]

LeBron won the chip a few months ago. How do you feel?


AD was MVP of the real Finals (vs Denver) and was the playoff scoring champ, aka Lebron was carried

Jordan never needed a teammate to out-produce him to win

[Airupthere]

From 2007 to 2018, Lebron shot 34%fg and 28% 3pt in the finals. Less than 24sec to go in the 4th, he shot 23% fg.

[FKAri]

AD was MVP of the real Finals (vs Denver) and was the playoff scoring champ, aka Lebron was carried

Jordan never needed a teammate to out-produce him to win

But Pippen out produced MJ. He also out reproduced him.

[dankok8]

Playoff Crunch-Time Stats (Last 5 minutes of 4th quarter/OT, score margin within 5 points)

Lebron Official (2006 to 2020): 42.5 pts, 10.7 reb, 7.9 ass, 1.8 stl, 1.8 blk on 40.7 %FG/35.3 %3P/76.0 %FT with 4.6 tov; 54.5 %TS
Jordan Official (1997 and 1998): 57.8 pts, 7.1 reb, 5.3 ass, 2.7 stl, 1.8 blk on 47.2 %FG/20.0 %3P/78.9 %FT with 4.9 tov; 57.0 %TS
Jordan Unofficial (Entire Career): 61.1 pts, 7.8 reb, 4.8 ass, 3.9 stl, 1.4 blk on 52.0 %FG/25.0 %3P/83.0 %FT with 3.3 tov; 62.5 %TS

Numbers are only officially tracked since 1997. The unofficial Jordan line was compiled by ISH poster PHILA. Link here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?322375-Michael-Jordan-Playoff-Clutch-Statistics).

Anyways even in only 1997 and 1998 Jordan gives 15 more points per 48 compared to Lebron and on better efficiency. These are statistically his two worst postseasons and yet he's clearly the better clutch player.

[Shooter]

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Bingo

King Clutch!

[LAL]

From 2007 to 2018, Lebron shot 34%fg and 28% 3pt in the finals. Less than 24sec to go in the 4th, he shot 23% fg.

wow

[Micku]

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You can adjust the stats. It's all over the place.

But MJ has always been consistent no matter what it seems. He is probably the most clutch player of all time.

LeBron definitely got better tho in comparison to the earlier years.

[Shooter]

HOL UP

So LeBron has more playoff game winners than any player to ever play the game?

Carry on :pimp:

[Axe]

Poor chef dingo couldn't match any of that. His buzzer beaters only limited to closing seconds of ongoing quarters. :ohwell:

[Bronbron23]

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Problem with these clutch shot numbers is you can get different results for bron and kobe depending on what time left you use. Mj is the only one that is around 50% no matter what time you use.

[dankok8]

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You can adjust the stats. It's all over the place.

But MJ has always been consistent no matter what it seems. He is probably the most clutch player of all time.

LeBron definitely got better tho in comparison to the earlier years.

Good post. The problem with game-winning shots like these are stupidly small sample sizes. The stat will also be better as eFG% to take 3pt shots into account. For example if Curry made 4/10 threes that would put him at 60% eFG which is better than MJ.

[Meticode]

I think most people will not consider LeBron clutch because a lot of times he'll make the correct decision down the line and sometimes that invovles him not taking the shot. Sometimes that's a pass trusting your teammates. Personally, I think he's an above average clutch player, but not top tier.

[Spurs m8]

How many times do we have to cherry pick whether he is clutch or not.

The stans love omitting that he is terrible in a "make or lose" attempt....if he even attempts and doesn't defer to someone like George Hill.

You stans are losers...like your boy...

Pathetic

[Spurs m8]

By the way...why do you **** spend your whole lives making the same threads over and over again?

Like...get a girlfriend or a life, you useless fvcks

[Micku]

Problem with these clutch shot numbers is you can get different results for bron and kobe depending on what time left you use. Mj is the only one that is around 50% no matter what time you use.

And y'know what's crazy about that stat? MJ last game winner of the Jazz in the NBA finals game 6 won't count. Cuz it's not 5 secs or less.

MJ, no matter what criteria, has always been great. Top of the line.

[Spurs m8]

And y'know what's crazy about that stat? MJ last game winner of the Jazz in the NBA finals game 6 won't count. Cuz it's not 5 secs or less.

MJ, no matter what criteria, has always been great. Top of the line.

And that is why, 17 years after retiring, he still triggers these bron boys on the daily.

[dawsey6]

Wait... so I'm confused... :confusedshrug:

Is the question about whether he's clutch? Or more clutch than Michael?

Because he's clutch. He's just not more clutch than Michael.

I think that's pretty well-established.

But why when any other player, including Michael, does something clutch there's the consensus of "that was clutch!" and when Bron does the same thing some of these woody woodpeckers and woodchucks gotta come out the woodwork like, "BUT HE DIDN'T DO IT WITH A HAND IN HIS FACE DOWN 2 WHILE STARING HIM IN THE FACE AND TAKING HIS LUNCH MONEY AT THE TOP OF THE KEY SO IT'S NOT CLUTCH!! HE'S A CHOKER!!"

Like, seriously. Skip makes a million dollars when he does it, so I understand him. Why you y'all have time for the mental gymnastics? Off "principle"? FOH.

Dude is clutch. Period.

[Bronbron23]

And y'know what's crazy about that stat? MJ last game winner of the Jazz in the NBA finals game 6 won't count. Cuz it's not 5 secs or less.

MJ, no matter what criteria, has always been great. Top of the line.

Yeah bron stans use the that stat because it favors bron obviously. I've seen other clutch stats with different time left in game that favors mj and even kobe over bron.

[Manny98]

He's definitely one of the most consistently clutch players (post 2011) the league has ever seen.

Clutch is not just about the last 5 seconds, it's about your overall performance in games where pressure is highest like game 7 & elimination games and LeBron is arguably the GOAT performer in those situations

https://i.postimg.cc/xjR0897W/De-F6-V-o-Xk-AEz-Fk.jpg

[Airupthere]

He's definitely one of the most consistently clutch players (post 2011) the league has ever seen.

Clutch is not just about the last 5 seconds, it's about your overall performance in games where pressure is highest like game 7 & elimination games and LeBron is arguably the GOAT performer in those situations

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But clutch is the last few seconds of a close game. That is the pinnacle. That last possession, if you end up being there, ultimately is the last thing you can do as a player to win the game. It's not the same as each basket in the first 3 quarters. In the last few seconds of the finals, that is where lebron has deferred or shot below average. That is not clutch.

[tpols]

He's definitely one of the most consistently clutch players (post 2011) the league has ever seen.

Clutch is not just about the last 5 seconds, it's about your overall performance in games where pressure is highest like game 7 & elimination games and LeBron is arguably the GOAT performer in those situations

https://i.postimg.cc/xjR0897W/De-F6-V-o-Xk-AEz-Fk.jpg

That is not the definition of clutch everybody is talking about. Realistically clutch is how well you perform at the end of 4th quarters in tight games. Everybody can feel the tension in the air when there's like 2-3 minutes left... and the players feel that as well, some respond to it better than others due to a combination of skill and fearlessness. Bran will throw the ball to george hill instead of pull up from 17 feet on Curry. And the 2011 crunch time stats with Dirk are ridiculous. He was destroyed in the clutch. Kyrie and AD would hit the biggest shots, against the warriors and nuggets respectively.

[Manny98]

Even if you don't count elimination games and game 7s LeBron still consistently ranks towards the top statistically as a clutch performer

His 2018 playoff run has had more clutch moments than most player's entire careers

[dankok8]

Even if you don't count elimination games and game 7s LeBron still consistently ranks towards the top statistically as a clutch performer

His 2018 playoff run has had more clutch moments than most player's entire careers

Of course Lebron is near the top. He's arguably the 2nd most clutch since 1997. The OP compared him to MJ though.

[Gudo]

Lebron is not bad at clutch. I think he adds a lot of value in making plays, not just scoring. Lebron has competencies better than MJ, being a lethal clutch scorer is not one of them. Maybe we should stop trying to have Lebron 1up MJ in all aspects.