Joe Biden on if Lebron can surpass Mike.

[kawhileonard2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYbF1pRDvkw


“It did not happen. It will never happen. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not ever, not ever.”

[Xiao Yao You]

Biden surpassed Trump immediately

[Kiddlovesnets]

Lebron has lost the chance to surpass MJ ever since he lost in the 2007 NBA finals, as a 100% winning record in NBA Finals series is one necessary condition for GOAT that Lebron will never be able to accomplish. One loss in NBA Finals series is sufficient to disqualify a player from GOAT conversation.

Note the debate is only alive 'cause Lebron is still playing and has just won a title not long ago, once he retires there will be absolute no argument anymore. Instead we will see the media rooting for the likes of Luka Donshit as the next GOAT.

[MaxPlayer]

Lebron has lost the chance to surpass MJ ever since he lost in the 2007 NBA finals, as a 100% winning record in NBA Finals series is one necessary condition for GOAT that Lebron will never be able to accomplish. One loss in NBA Finals series is sufficient to disqualify a player from GOAT conversation.

This is just as dumb the thousandth time you posted it as it was the first

[TheGoatest]

Lebron has lost the chance to surpass MJ ever since he lost in the 2007 NBA finals, as a 100% winning record in NBA Finals series is one necessary condition for GOAT that Lebron will never be able to accomplish. One loss in NBA Finals series is sufficient to disqualify a player from GOAT conversation.

Jordan lost his case at GOAT in 1987, when he got swept in the first round two times in a row.
Losing three times in the first round = Automatic disqualification from ever achieving GOAT status

[Kiddlovesnets]

Jordan lost his case at GOAT in 1987, when he got swept in the first round two times in a row.
Losing three times in the first round = Automatic disqualification from ever achieving GOAT status

We only compare the ceilings when it comes to GOAT conversation, which is NBA Finals record in this case. No one cares about first round performance, we aint compare the likes of Melo and TMac.

[TheGoatest]

We only compare the ceilings when it comes to GOAT conversation, which is NBA Finals record in this case. No one cares about first round performance, we aint compare the likes of Melo and TMac.

If we compare the ceiling, then any of Jordan's finals opponents fall well short of LeBron's 2012, 2013 and especially 2016. So ceiling or the opposite, LeBron beats Jordan.

[kawhileonard2]

If we compare the ceiling, then any of Jordan's finals opponents fall well short of LeBron's 2012, 2013 and especially 2016. So ceiling or the opposite, LeBron beats Jordan.

Not really especially when he won bronze medal twice. He also lost to Dwight Howard with HCA and never turned a franchise that drafted him into a dynasty like Jordan did.

[Kiddlovesnets]

If we compare the ceiling, then any of Jordan's finals opponents fall well short of LeBron's 2012, 2013 and especially 2016. So ceiling or the opposite, LeBron beats Jordan.

Lebron's team was favorite to win the title in 2012, 2013 and 2016, so the argument that he faced stronger opponents is invalid as Lebron had better teams than the opponents. See for yourself:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012_preseason_odds.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013_preseason_odds.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_preseason_odds.html

It is worth noting that Lebron's team was also favored to win in 2011, 2014 and 2015, and he lost in the finals despite having a better team. In the 6 straight years that Lebron had the best team, he only managed 3 rings. On the other hand, MJ was favored to win in 5 years(1992, 1993, 1996, 1997 and 1998), and he won all 5 out of 5.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lebron's team was favorite to win the title in 2012, 2013 and 2016, so the argument that he faced stronger opponents is invalid as Lebron had better teams than the opponents. See for yourself:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012_preseason_odds.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013_preseason_odds.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_preseason_odds.html

It is worth noting that Lebron's team was also favored to win in 2011, 2014 and 2015, and he lost in the finals despite having a better team. In the 6 straight years that Lebron had the best team, he only managed 3 rings. On the other hand, MJ was favored to win in 5 years(1992, 1993, 1996, 1997 and 1998), and he won all 5 out of 5.

They were underdogs going into the finals (you know, after the preseason once we actually see how good teams are) in each of those years, except 2011 and 2013. Also, the Bulls were heavy favorites over the Magic in 1995 and lost.

[k0kakw0rld]

Who?

[k0kakw0rld]

Lebron has lost the chance to surpass MJ ever since he lost in the 2007 NBA finals, as a 100% winning record in NBA Finals series is one necessary condition for GOAT that Lebron will never be able to accomplish. One loss in NBA Finals series is sufficient to disqualify a player from GOAT conversation.

Note the debate is only alive 'cause Lebron is still playing and has just won a title not long ago, once he retires there will be absolute no argument anymore. Instead we will see the media rooting for the likes of Luka Donshit as the next GOAT.
You are an idiot. 10 NBA finals, won rings in both conferences. Went to 8 straight NBA finals. We don't give a shit about 6-0. The competition was not the same for MJ and LeBron in the finals. So please, shut the fk up moron.

[Axe]

Op is still banned on his Duncan21formvp account

[TheGoatest]

Lebron's team was favorite to win the title in 2012, 2013 and 2016, so the argument that he faced stronger opponents is invalid as Lebron had better teams than the opponents. See for yourself:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012_preseason_odds.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013_preseason_odds.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_preseason_odds.html

It is worth noting that Lebron's team was also favored to win in 2011, 2014 and 2015, and he lost in the finals despite having a better team. In the 6 straight years that Lebron had the best team, he only managed 3 rings. On the other hand, MJ was favored to win in 5 years(1992, 1993, 1996, 1997 and 1998), and he won all 5 out of 5.

Wait, so mentioning Jordan's first round exits and 1-9 record in the playoffs shouldn't count, is misleading, etc. The only thing that matters is the finals.
But when it comes to who was the favorite, then talking about who was the favorite in the actual finals (LeBron winning as an underdog in 2012 and 2016) doesn't count, and what really counts is who was the favorite in the preseason?

Man, Jordan stans/LeBron haters are priceless. Always good for a laugh. :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

Wait, so mentioning Jordan's first round exits and 1-9 record in the playoffs shouldn't count, is misleading, etc. The only thing that matters is the finals.
But when it comes to who was the favorite, then talking about who was the favorite in the actual finals (LeBron winning as an underdog in 2012 and 2016) doesn't count, and what really counts is who was the favorite in the preseason?

Man, Jordan stans/LeBron haters are priceless. Always good for a laugh. :roll:
Destroyed that retard :lol

[Axe]

The effort of somebody who stans a certain atg to debunk a troll who bashes that certain atg he stans is just truly comical. :roll:

Just kidding.

[Gohan]

How in the hell does losing the finals in 2007 make him not be able to surpass him or not? Either he’s a better player or not. I don’t think lebron was as good as Jordan but kiddlovesnets argument is str8 up retarded

[tpols]

For a life long politician, that's probably one of the first truth's he's uttered in decades. Jordan was simply too gangster. Bran doesn't have the same air about him.

[tpols]

Lebron's team was favorite to win the title in 2012, 2013 and 2016

They were title favorites to begin the season in 2011 and 2015 as well. With razor thin odds for 2020 title favorite. (look it up)

Just helping you out bro.

[Axe]

For a life long politician, that's probably one of the first truth's he's uttered in decades. Jordan was simply too gangster. Bran doesn't have the same air about him.
Which explains why he's a ballhog and very selfish in the finals too, unlike bran.

[Kiddlovesnets]

They were underdogs going into the finals (you know, after the preseason once we actually see how good teams are) in each of those years, except 2011 and 2013. Also, the Bulls were heavy favorites over the Magic in 1995 and lost.

The preseason odds are the indicators of how good each team is, unless a blockbuster mid-season trade happened to one team and made it a contender, which was not the case in 2012, 2014 and 2015/2016. Lebron absolutely had the best team from 11 to 16, and you cant blame his opponents being too strong or invincible, when it happens the other way that Lebron and/or his teammates underachieved. Lebron system elevates role players at the sacrifice of all-star teammates, hence why his team looked strong in pre-season but somehow become weaker and underdogs in the finals.

[Airupthere]

I have no problem anyone surpassing MJ. Lebron is not it. 20 years from now, when kids watch Lebron, no ones going to want to play like Lebron. You don't want to stiffarm. You don't want to travel of flop. You don't want to collude to win. You don't want to crabwalk. You want power and smooth skills at the same time. You want competitiveness. Not selective competitiveness and going MIA in the most crucial parts of the game.

[TheImmortal]

Most of his (LeBron's) peers and anyone in the vicinity of his age bracket knows MJ>>>>>>LeCollude. But thanks to LESPN and LeShannonSharpe and others tiktokteenager degenerate generation who don't have the attention span of over 60 seconds and don't even watch games thinks LeBron is better due to a meme or mostly due to his social justice work.. lame.

[Gohan]

Most of his (LeBron's) peers and anyone in the vicinity of his age bracket knows MJ>>>>>>LeCollude. But thanks to LESPN and LeShannonSharpe and others tiktokteenager degenerate generation who don't have the attention span of over 60 seconds and don't even watch games thinks LeBron is better due to a meme or mostly due to his social justice work.. lame.

You must of forgot that the 2020 championship was the hardest because of some random black person died because a cop knelt on him. The true pain and sorrow for lebron. How did lebron survive the war.

[Airupthere]

You must of forgot that the 2020 championship was the hardest because of some random black person died because a cop knelt on him. The true pain and sorrow for lebron. How did lebron survive the war.

It was a real challenge to be in the bubble. But it was a sacrifice and to play in those harsh conditions is unimaginable. I remember Lebron saying something along these lines.

Now imagine those that have to work on oil platforms and be away from their families for months. Or soldiers and healthcare workers that have to be away from home for a long time.

[RogueBorg]

Wait, so mentioning Jordan's first round exits and 1-9 record in the playoffs shouldn't count, is misleading, etc. The only thing that matters is the finals.


.400 >.235

Figure it out

[Shooter]

Jordan lost his case at GOAT in 1987, when he got swept in the first round two times in a row.
Losing three times in the first round = Automatic disqualification from ever achieving GOAT status

100%


3x 1st round losses= AUTOMATIC FORFEIT of goat status

[Airupthere]

I have no problem anyone surpassing MJ. Lebron is not it. 20 years from now, when kids watch Lebron, no ones going to want to play like Lebron. You don't want to stiffarm. You don't want to travel of flop. You don't want to collude to win. You don't want to crabwalk. You want power and smooth skills at the same time. You want competitiveness. Not selective competitiveness and going MIA in the most crucial parts of the game.

Can anyone envision a battalion of kids crabwalking in the streets years from now learning Lebron's moves? Anybody with me? Some stiff arming with sloppy footwork that may or may not lead to a travel maybe?

[TheGoatest]

They were title favorites to begin the season in 2011 and 2015 as well. With razor thin odds for 2020 title favorite. (look it up)

Just helping you out bro.

LMAO @ Lakers favorites in 2020. This is how much of favorites they were prior to the previous season, when everyone was laughing in advance at LeBron losing to the Clippers:

https://images2.imagebam.com/25/3d/f1/c58d381367606289.jpg