How much Protein do you need (get) a day ?

[Manny98]

I'm trying to get in shape so im looking to increase my protein intake but I'm not sure on how much I actually need, right now I'd say I get 65g
Just curious to see how much protein intake my fellow ISH members get

[diamenz]

i wouldn't trip about the amount, especially if you're a beginner. just eat as many protein-rich foods as possible like meats, fish, peanut butter, etc. focus on the heavy lifts like squats, deads, pushes & pulls. as long as you're increasing your weight lifted or amount of reps, you'll see gains. just be consistent.

[Manny98]

i wouldn't trip about the amount, especially if you're a beginner. just eat as many protein-rich foods as possible like meats, fish, peanut butter, etc. focus on the heavy lifts like squats, deads, pushes & pulls. as long as you're increasing your weight lifted or amount of reps, you'll see gains. just be consistent.

Makes sense

[Axe]

Why don't you smoke crack rock instead like the welfarefan does? Might be awesome, i dare you.

Just kidding.

[Nanners]

you vill eat zee bugs

https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-EI841_schwab_GR_20140902125020.jpg

[ZenMaster]

Makes sense

I believe the range of 0.5 gram of protein per pound of body weight is appropriate to build muscle, but maybe new research has been done on this and less is fine.

I'd definitely recommend counting the macros of all your food as much as possible, especially to start up with. If you just eat all foods you can find full of protein, chances are good that you'll end up taking in too many calories throughout the day, not getting enough vegetables and ending up a fatty. And still, you can't know if you actually got enough protein.
Also, I guess depending on your size, but it can be tough eating enough foods to cover the protein needed - e.g eating 6 eggs a day quickly feels like a duty. Protein shakes help with that(and they feel nice psychologically to drink after a workout), but someone like Hateraid knows a lot more about purpose and quality of different kinds of brands.

[clipps]

Try swallowing a load of kum. It's really good for you... from what I heard.

[jaxnex]

Instead of counting right now, just focus on eating various proteins.

[KennyPowers]

When I got into shape I mostly ate grilled chicken breasts, eggs and hgh. I used a yolk remover and only ate the white. Not the best sides.... I ate a lot of red baked potatoes, hash browns, toast. Also drank whey protein shakes.

[hateraid]

What are your goals? How do you train?
How much vs how often do you consume protein?

[Manny98]

What are your goals? How do you train?
How much vs how often do you consume protein?

I am currently 6"0 190 pounds and I am trying to get down to 150

I am mostly trying to lose body fat. and right now I mostly do cardio workouts

I do one meal a day and consume roughly 70g on average I don't know if that's too little :confusedshrug:

[Rolando]

I am currently 6"0 190 pounds and I am trying to get down to 150

I am mostly trying to lose body fat. and right now I mostly do cardio workouts

I do one meal a day and consume roughly 70g on average I don't know if that's too little :confusedshrug:

Definitely get two major portions of protein a day. In the evenings, make sure the protein is as lean as possible. To drop weight you have to manage carbs well. Get a moderate amount of carbs in early in the day and just restrict yourself to meat and veggies in the evening. No carbs after 3PM. Also, watch the fats after 3pm....not saying zero but definitely restricted.

I am currently 6ft 165llbs. Down from 180 2 weeks ago. I eat 2 meals a day. I hold off as long as I can in the morning before I eat my carb/protein meal.

If you are still going to go with one meal a day, just have some lean meat in the evening by itself. Or a protein shake without carbs.

[ZenMaster]

Instead of counting right now, just focus on eating various proteins.

What's the thought process behind this? I feel as if it doesn't make sense to start off with the risk of overeating, you can both count and focus on eating various proteins at the same time.


I am currently 6"0 190 pounds and I am trying to get down to 150

I am mostly trying to lose body fat. and right now I mostly do cardio workouts

I do one meal a day and consume roughly 70g on average I don't know if that's too little

I don't think you can be 6"0, weigh 150 and have hardly any muscle, you'll be pretty close to underweight.
With these goals, I don't think you need to think about protein much, just eat lean meat as it suits you.
But for the weight loss, I definitely think you'll have to count your calories, at least if you want to go that low.

I'd strongly advise to lift weights instead of mainly doing cardio though, you'll still burn calories towards your weight loss but also grow some muscle in the process.

I'm just a tiny bit taller than you, but my preferred weight is like 180. At 150 you'll be a twig, no?

[SATAN]

Don't do any cardio. Just lift weights. Great plan from genius ZenMaster once again.

Absolutely clueless.

You already know what to do.

[Rolando]

What's the thought process behind this? I feel as if it doesn't make sense to start off with the risk of overeating, you can both count and focus on eating various proteins at the same time.



I don't think you can be 6"0, weigh 150 and have hardly any muscle, you'll be pretty close to underweight.
With these goals, I don't think you need to think about protein much, just eat lean meat as it suits you.
But for the weight loss, I definitely think you'll have to count your calories, at least if you want to go that low.

I'd strongly advise to lift weights instead of mainly doing cardio though, you'll still burn calories towards your weight loss but also grow some muscle in the process.

I'm just a tiny bit taller than you, but my preferred weight is like 180. At 150 you'll be a twig, no?

You are right about 150. I am 6ft and at the moment 165 and the top part of my six-pack is starting to come out. I think 160 is going to be quite ripped for me and I have a small frame. Maybe I'll have to get down to 155. But if the OP has an average frame and some level of muscle built up. He certainly won't need to get down below 165.

[ZenMaster]

Don't do any cardio. Just lift weights. Great plan from genius ZenMaster once again.

Absolutely clueless.

You already know what to do.

I said instead of mainly doing cardio you dumbass, everyone should do both.


In March 2017, Harvard Health Publishing released data on dozens of common activities and their calories burned within 30 minutes for people of varying weights. Here are some of the best in no particular order:

Running on the treadmill
Stationary biking
Swimming
Circuit training
Vigorous weight lifting


VIGOROUS WEIGHT LIFTING

If you hit the weights, you probably burn 90–133 calories in each 30-minute floor session. But remember: The more muscle you build, the more energy your body burns at rest. That’s why lifting weights to build lean muscle should be at the top of your to-do list, regardless of your physique goals.

https://blog.myfitnesspal.com/how-many-calories-are-you-really-burning-in-the-gym/#:~:text=5%20of%205-,VIGOROUS%20WEIGHT%20LIFTING,regardless%20of%20you r%20physique%20goals.

Do yourself a favor Manny and go through these two, simply put you should aim to be lean and strong instead of lean and weak:


https://youtu.be/sK6vDY66w0U


https://youtu.be/opHgysSRE7g

[Manny98]

What's the thought process behind this? I feel as if it doesn't make sense to start off with the risk of overeating, you can both count and focus on eating various proteins at the same time.



I don't think you can be 6"0, weigh 150 and have hardly any muscle, you'll be pretty close to underweight.
With these goals, I don't think you need to think about protein much, just eat lean meat as it suits you.
But for the weight loss, I definitely think you'll have to count your calories, at least if you want to go that low.

I'd strongly advise to lift weights instead of mainly doing cardio though, you'll still burn calories towards your weight loss but also grow some muscle in the process.

I'm just a tiny bit taller than you, but my preferred weight is like 180. At 150 you'll be a twig, no?
Probably I am focusing on pure fat loss right now then I will bulk up

I think I have a naturally larger frame than most so even at 180 I appear larger

[Manny98]

Definitely get two major portions of protein a day. In the evenings, make sure the protein is as lean as possible. To drop weight you have to manage carbs well. Get a moderate amount of carbs in early in the day and just restrict yourself to meat and veggies in the evening. No carbs after 3PM. Also, watch the fats after 3pm....not saying zero but definitely restricted.

I am currently 6ft 165llbs. Down from 180 2 weeks ago. I eat 2 meals a day. I hold off as long as I can in the morning before I eat my carb/protein meal.

If you are still going to go with one meal a day, just have some lean meat in the evening by itself. Or a protein shake without carbs.

Yh I'd probably need to transition back to 2 meals to get enough protein and nutrients

[ZenMaster]

You are right about 150. I am 6ft and at the moment 165 and the top part of my six-pack is starting to come out. I think 160 is going to be quite ripped for me and I have a small frame. Maybe I'll have to get down to 155. But if the OP has an average frame and some level of muscle built up. He certainly won't need to get down below 165.

Sounds like you're doing good bro, much respect, especially here through lockdowns :cheers:

Here's something else I can recommend Manny, to start building strength. It's easy, effective and can be done from home away from the gym - but you can only do one body exercise this way.
When whatever number you do starts to feel real easy, you just add a rep to your set.
E.g push-ups or pull-ups during the day in this pattern:


This concept is from Pavel Tsatsouline’s method of training. He coined the phrase “Greasing the Groove” to describe how strength practice (not working out) improves the muscle mind connection. The idea is that strength is a skill and the more you practice the better (stronger) you will get.

His training method involves practicing a movement that you want to improve multiple times a day. This practice will reinforce the neurological grooves and make the movement easier to perform. The key is multiple sets spread throughout the day.

The goal is practicing the movement, not exercising the muscle. So sets are kept in the 40%-50% of your max. You should never feel fatigued or sore because that is an indicator that you are overworking.

You can watch the video below for a deeper explanation of “Greasing the Groove”.


https://youtu.be/JmOEgK5o2yg

I have a note next to my pc, it says ":20 and :50". It means that if I'm doing anything in front of my pc and it's not too late in the day, I do a set of pushups 10 minutes to and 20 minutes past every hour - or close to that anyways.
There's a simple app called "push up counter" as well, makes it easy to track the progression over time.

[ZenMaster]

Probably I am focusing on pure fat loss right now then I will bulk up

I think I have a naturally larger frame than most so even at 180 I appear larger


Probably I am focusing on pure fat loss right now then I will bulk up

I think I have a naturally larger frame than most so even at 180 I appear larger

Then you should really really really disregard the advice here of not counting calories. Fat loss will come mainly through eating less calories than you need and 30 minutes on the treadmill can be negated by eating or drinking just a bit too much.

Take one of them online calculators that also factors in your physical activity and figure out roughly how many calories you need to maintain your weight.
Do one month at like 15-20% caloric deficit every day.
Calculate again, based on your new weight(obviously very important), roughly how many calories you need to maintain.
Do one month eating 100% of the calories you need to maintain weight.
Then another month of 15-20% caloric deficit daily.
Repeat the process from there until you are at your desired weight.

This way, your metabolism doesn't break down and you will keep losing weight.
If you just do a straight even daily caloric deficit over multiple months, your body will get used to getting less calories than you need to maintain weight and it will adjust - meaning that after a few months you'll find weight loss very hard, because your body has set itself in survival mode.

[Rolando]

Sounds like you're doing good bro, much respect, especially here through lockdowns :cheers:



Well I figured that because all the gyms are closed here, the weather sucks, can't do much of anything else, might as well get shredded. Much better than waiting until April to realize I am fat as hell and need to cut weight just to walk around comfortably without a shirt. That's what usually happens.

[Axe]

Probably I am focusing on pure fat loss right now then I will bulk up

I think I have a naturally larger frame than most so even at 180 I appear larger
I guess i can understand now why girls aren't physically attracted to you

[plowking]

I am currently 6"0 190 pounds and I am trying to get down to 150

I am mostly trying to lose body fat. and right now I mostly do cardio workouts

I do one meal a day and consume roughly 70g on average I don't know if that's too little :confusedshrug:


By no means take this as personal advice or anything, but I'm just about to enter my 30's, have been training for more than 12 years now, and have achieved goals in terms of strength, fitness and weight throughout this time. I'm similar in height and weight to what you are now as well, at 6'3 and 210lbs, and have been anywhere from 190-245 in the last 5 years.

I'm not exactly sure as to what your composition is like, but if you want to lose weight, I'm assuming you're carrying a bit of fat? At 6 foot, you don't want to be 150lbs regardless of your frame in my opinion at least. Not sure as to what your routine with weights has been like, but adding weight in the form of muscle definitely won't hurt. 190lbs with a lot more muscle on you can look a lot slimmer than 190lbs at your current weight. As a guy, even if you carry fat in the worst areas possible, being anywhere from 11-18% is ideal. Anything less than that is excessive, and you wouldn't want to stay under that for too long due to hormones, etc.

In regards to the protein question, this is something I thought was a must need in my late teens and early 20's. To the point where I was having 300+ g of protein a day when I was weighing 225lbs+. Absolutely not the case. I don't track macros at all at this point, and don't really care how much I consume on a day to day basis. The great thing about protein is, it keeps you fuller for longer. If you find yourself snacking, feeling hungry often, eating more carbs, etc... You could probably eat some more protein in that particular case.

Listening to your body is probably the best thing you can do. Never take a rigid approach. If you start training a particular way and feel great, stick to it for 4 weeks. If you start eating more protein and you find yourself feeling fuller and snack less, stick to it for 4 weeks. The body takes a while to get used to things.

[plowking]

Then you should really really really disregard the advice here of not counting calories. Fat loss will come mainly through eating less calories than you need and 30 minutes on the treadmill can be negated by eating or drinking just a bit too much.



Losing weight and fat loss aren't the same here. Which is why calories burned>calories consumed=less weight=great, isn't necessarily correct.

If OP is feeling too big at 190lbs and 6 feet, I think it would potentially benefit to add more resistance training into the mix. Muscle doesn't weigh more than fat, but is more dense, and hence he would look slimmer as a result.

[ZenMaster]

Losing weight and fat loss aren't the same here. Which is why calories burned>calories consumed=less weight=great, isn't necessarily correct.

If OP is feeling too big at 190lbs and 6 feet, I think it would potentially benefit to add more resistance training into the mix. Muscle doesn't weigh more than fat, but is more dense, and hence he would look slimmer as a result.

You're right, but it sounds like OP has his mind made up on losing the weight first before hitting the weights. I was trying to help with that process even though I don't agree with it, because it's better than doing neither.
Maybe he's not comfortable going to the gym while being overweight, just a thought, as that's a pretty common and understandable hump that many people can't get past.

It's tough to judge it all without pictures, personally I can't go under 180 without being told by friends that something "looks weird" and that it suits me better with a few more pounds, even if it isn't muscle. It's because I got a big head with pretty thick hair as well, so can't have too slim of a face.

[Spurs m8]

Good on you op....you might be a bron stan but I respect dudes getting into fitness, I'm happy for you.

Give it a few months, eat well, train well, sleep well and you'll never look back.
Stay consistent.

I try get around 160g protein a day....
My fitness pal is a great app to log food and see your macros...even if you just use it at the start to learn and get an idea of what works for you.
Calories obviously extremely important if you want to lose weight.

Someone posted it here already too but that Jeremy dude is great on YouTube...and I also rate Jeff athlenex

Lastly, they're not for everyone, but consider a fitness watch...I love collecting data and using it for running, weights, walks and cardio sessions.
Extra bit of motivation for me...personally I like Garmin watches

[KennyPowers]

You need to eat 3 times a day. A grilled chicken breast is around 100 calories and 10 fat calories, so you can actually eat quite a lot of chicken in a day. If you have a Foreman grill, all that you need is some Lowry's seasoning.

Skinless chicken breasts are probably the most food you can eat while keeping the calories low and getting a lot of protein, and feeling like you actually ate a meal.

Dont starve yourself. Also eat eggs.

You need to keep your metabolism going.

[Manny98]

I guess i can understand now why girls aren't physically attracted to you
No I am considered fairly attractive and get hit on by girls fairly often but I am basically in a skinny fat phase right now

I used to be obese (240 at my heaviest) so I have lost a decent amount of weight so far

I look in decent shape on the outside but when I take my shirt off I still have a visible amount of fat on my body

[Manny98]

Thx for the advice guys, I appreciate yall :cheers:

[tpols]

You need to eat 3 times a day. A grilled chicken breast is around 100 calories and 10 fat calories, so you can actually eat quite a lot of chicken in a day. If you have a Foreman grill, all that you need is some Lowry's seasoning.

Skinless chicken breasts are probably the most food you can eat while keeping the calories low and getting a lot of protein, and feeling like you actually ate a meal.

Dont starve yourself. Also eat eggs.

You need to keep your metabolism going.

Fasting is extremely beneficial to the body, and allows for healing. I naturally eat in an 8 hour window everyday, but as far as protein goes I try for 90 grams a day which is a little less than half my body weight. I don't lift so anymore I feel like would just be a waste.

[hateraid]

Man, I love reading through all these threads and taking a trip down memory lane. I guess being the resident supplement guy I always get dragged into these threads back in the day. I remember always having to defend myself from the snake oil salesman comments people would make. Nutrition somehow seems to be the one industry where people think they have a degree from reading Bodybuilding.com. Lol.

Manny, all this is great advice. There is no one true way to do it. Your initial question is how much protein you should eat. For an active person rule of thumb is this: 1 gram per pound of lean muscle. Lean muscle is approximately 60% of your body weight. Multiply your weight by .6 and that's how many grams you should GENERALLY consume...again, if you're active.

I'll contribute some stuff on top of all the great advice that people are offering

- ALWAYS consume protein after workout. Something extremely fast processing around 30 min to an hour after workout. Repair your muscle

- Do cardio AFTER weights. With weights you use your initial blood sugar. Once that's depleted your body will look for other sources of fuel IE badyfat

- STRESS is the main contributor to fat storage. Cortisol cause the body to build abdominal fat. Use a multi with lot's of B's and maybe a good adaptagen

- Eat frequently at small portions.

Ask away if you need anything else. Good luck

[hateraid]

This is also nostalgic how anytime I comment in these threads I get crickets lol

[Manny98]

Man, I love reading through all these threads and taking a trip down memory lane. I guess being the resident supplement guy I always get dragged into these threads back in the day. I remember always having to defend myself from the snake oil salesman comments people would make. Nutrition somehow seems to be the one industry where people think they have a degree from reading Bodybuilding.com. Lol.

Manny, all this is great advice. There is no one true way to do it. Your initial question is how much protein you should eat. For an active person rule of thumb is this: 1 gram per pound of lean muscle. Lean muscle is approximately 60% of your body weight. Multiply your weight by .6 and that's how many grams you should GENERALLY consume...again, if you're active.

I'll contribute some stuff on top of all the great advice that people are offering

- ALWAYS consume protein after workout. Something extremely fast processing around 30 min to an hour after workout. Repair your muscle

- Do cardio AFTER weights. With weights you use your initial blood sugar. Once that's depleted your body will look for other sources of fuel IE badyfat

- STRESS is the main contributor to fat storage. Cortisol cause the body to build abdominal fat. Use a multi with lot's of B's and maybe a good adaptagen

- Eat frequently at small portions.

Ask away if you need anything else. Good luck
0.6 X my current bodyweight would be over 100g of protein which is difficult to get since I am intermittent fasting unless I drink a bunch of protein shakes

Is there a reason why I should eat frequent small portions over what I currently do which is one or two large meals?

Do you mind if i ask you what your current diet consists of and how do you manage to hit your macros?

[coin24]

How many grams of protein do you need? All of them :cheers:

If you’re 6’0 and over you should not weigh less than 85kg (187 pounds) that’s a good lean muscular physique then.. depends how long you’ve been training I guess, I prefer a bit more muscle and hover around 90-95kg

[TheCorporation]

Lift weights, try to eat .75 grams per pound of weight

If you weigh 190, eat 142 grams of protein

Learn to love eggs. Learn to love fish, chicken, and whey protein shakes post work out. You got this shit!

[Manny98]

About to buy my first protein powder

Quick question do you guys drink your protein shakes with milk or water?

Is there a massive difference in taste?

[TheCorporation]

About to buy my first protein powder

Quick question do you guys drink your protein shakes with milk or water?

Is there a massive difference in taste?

Milk tastes way better, but water has no calories.

[Manny98]

Milk tastes way better, but water has no calories.

Ok

I'm going to try water first and if I don't like it I will go with lactose free milk :cheers:

You know any particular brands that are good?

[Spurs m8]

I drink it with water, due to saving the calories

[coin24]

Ok

I'm going to try water first and if I don't like it I will go with lactose free milk :cheers:

You know any particular brands that are good?


Try it with cu.m, extra protein:oldlol:

Otherwise water is good

[Axe]

About to buy my first protein powder

Quick question do you guys drink your protein shakes with milk or water?

Is there a massive difference in taste?
You will feel drowsy if you drink milk

[ZenMaster]

About to buy my first protein powder

Quick question do you guys drink your protein shakes with milk or water?

Is there a massive difference in taste?

Almond milk, usually vanilla flavored.

[TheCorporation]

Ok

I'm going to try water first and if I don't like it I will go with lactose free milk :cheers:

You know any particular brands that are good?

I always liked ON (Optimum Nutrition).

[Manny98]

Just received my powder and I am definitely drinking my shakes with Lactose free milk from now on

It's ok with Water but I can imagine it would be WAY better with Milk

[Rolando]

This is what I've been doing for the last week or so: ZERO CARBS.

Let me tell you; the fat just burns off you like nothing. I am getting down to a weight that I haven't seen for decades.

Just eat meat and veggies. Carbs don't exist any more. The first 3 or 4 days are weird but then you get used to it. You will definitely get enough protein if the majority of your food is meat.

[hateraid]

This is what I've been doing for the last week or so: ZERO CARBS.

Let me tell you; the fat just burns off you like nothing. I am getting down to a weight that I haven't seen for decades.

Just eat meat and veggies. Carbs don't exist any more. The first 3 or 4 days are weird but then you get used to it. You will definitely get enough protein if the majority of your food is meat.

Veggies are still carbs. People get the misconstrued alot. Technically not a 0 carb diet.
But yes eliminating grains and rice will definitely get you in a faster track.

[Rolando]

Veggies are still carbs. People get the misconstrued alot. Technically not a 0 carb diet.
But yes eliminating grains and rice will definitely get you in a faster track.

I know. But still. No sugar. No bread. No rice. No potato, No sugar, No pasta, No beer. (asided from the trace amounts in the spinach, mushroom and zucchini).....I know this.

[hateraid]

I know. But still. No sugar. No bread. No rice. No potato, No sugar, No pasta, No beer. (asided from the trace amounts in the spinach, mushroom and zucchini).....I know this.

Those veggies are still classified as carbs though, so misleading saying 0 carbs. Not trying to knock you or anything. Coming from a nutritional background it's something I see quite commonly.

[Rolando]

Those veggies are still classified as carbs though, so misleading saying 0 carbs. Not trying to knock you or anything. Coming from a nutritional background it's something I see quite commonly.

Those veggies are really classified as carbs? Really? Never knew this.

[hateraid]

Those veggies are really classified as carbs? Really? Never knew this.

Macros come in 3 forms. Protein, carbs, and fat. (Alcohol is you want to get overly technical is a fourth macro)
Vegetables under the category of greens aren't fat or protein, so they are classified as carbohydrates.
Fad diets such as keto create such a misrepresentation of what carbs are. Fibre is a carb. Sugar is a carb. Pretty much anything that impacts insulin and coverts to blood sugar is a carb. It's not exclusive to grains, rice, and potatoes.

[Rolando]

Macros come in 3 forms. Protein, carbs, and fat. (Alcohol is you want to get overly technical is a fourth macro)
Vegetables under the category of greens aren't fat or protein, so they are classified as carbohydrates.
Fad diets such as keto create such a misrepresentation of what carbs are. Fibre is a carb. Sugar is a carb. Pretty much anything that impacts insulin and coverts to blood sugar is a carb. It's not exclusive to grains, rice, and potatoes.

Good to know.....Regardless, I am losing weight like a mofo with this "diet" that I am eating. I can recommend.

[Rolando]

And I just decided to go Carnivore. No more veggies. Let's see....Except I am still having some red wine in the evenings. Not going to give that up.

Experimenting like this is pretty cool. I learn a lot. Pretty damn healthy at the moment as well.

[Rooster]

And I just decided to go Carnivore. No more veggies. Let's see....Except I am still having some red wine in the evenings. Not going to give that up.

Experimenting like this is pretty cool. I learn a lot. Pretty damn healthy at the moment as well.

PSMF is the diet that will shred you in less time. Harder to pull at first though. You will feel worst than Keto but when you get it done, the mirror does not lie.
I’ll never advocate it though unless you get desperate to lose some weights in 3 weeks or so. Mix with non starchy veggies like mushrooms, zucchini, peppers, celery , carrots etc. Workout intensity though at least for me is not the same without carbs.

[FultzNationRISE]

And I just decided to go Carnivore. No more veggies. Let's see....Except I am still having some red wine in the evenings. Not going to give that up.

Experimenting like this is pretty cool. I learn a lot. Pretty damn healthy at the moment as well.


I got constipated just reading this.

Good luck though.

[tpols]

And I just decided to go Carnivore. No more veggies. Let's see....Except I am still having some red wine in the evenings. Not going to give that up.

Experimenting like this is pretty cool. I learn a lot. Pretty damn healthy at the moment as well.

The carbs you get from veggies are almost none... We're talking like 5-10 grams a serving. You would burn that off just walking around the house cooking, doing laundry, and doing literally anything. It won't have any effect on attaining ketosis if that's your goal. You don't have to go full carnivore. Me personally I cant get any satisfaction out of a meal without a side. Just eating a pound of chicken straight? Humans weren't meant for that, we're not tigers. Our diets for thousands of years were built on diversity. Having some vegetables or rice with your meals is fine. Certain asian cultues have some of the best longevity stats and they eat tons of rice and vegetables.

[Manny98]

And I just decided to go Carnivore. No more veggies. Let's see....Except I am still having some red wine in the evenings. Not going to give that up.

Experimenting like this is pretty cool. I learn a lot. Pretty damn healthy at the moment as well.

No veggies?

You would be missing out on a lot of important nutrients and fiber as well :confusedshrug:

[tpols]

No veggies?

You would be missing out on a lot of important nutrients and fiber as well :confusedshrug:

Yea hateraid isn't giving good advice. He's right there's some carbs in veggies but you'll be far healthier with them and meat than just meat by itself.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yea hateraid isn't giving good advice. He's right there's some carbs in veggies but you'll be far healthier with them and meat than just meat by itself.

Don't really think he's giving any advice, only pointing out that vegetables do in fact have carbs.

Good carbs for sure. I mean, the micro nutrients are critical for longterm health.

Without supplements while just eating meat is a REALLY bad idea. You'll get shredded but your cognition is everything. Doing keto should be fine if you're worried about excess carbs.

[hateraid]

Yea hateraid isn't giving good advice. He's right there's some carbs in veggies but you'll be far healthier with them and meat than just meat by itself.

When did I tell the guy not to eat veggies?

Read boy

[tpols]

When did I tell the guy not to eat veggies?

Read boy

Well you criticized him for zero carb... when veggies really have basically no carbs that aren't immediately burned off because the amount is so negligible. And now he wants to go carnivore based on your advice. That's bad advice.

[hateraid]

Well you criticized him for zero carb... when veggies really have basically no carbs that aren't immediately burned off because the amount is so negligible. And now he wants to go carnivore based on your advice. That's bad advice.

Did I criticize him for eating carbs? Read again boy. Did I advise him not to eat any? Read again boy

[Axe]

I got constipated just reading this.

Good luck though.
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[Rolando]

Did I criticize him for eating carbs? Read again boy. Did I advise him not to eat any? Read again boy

You are correct Hateraid. You were just giving out accurate info.

Anyway, I will let you guys know how things go with protein only.....However, I will drink my coffee in the morning and my wine at night.

[LAmbruh]

cashew gets his daily dose from the sog on his sao

[hateraid]

You are correct Hateraid. You were just giving out accurate info.

Anyway, I will let you guys know how things go with protein only.....However, I will drink my coffee in the morning and my wine at night.

Tpols is a dolt who severely lacks comprehension. I'm not surprised he doesn't get it

Those low carb diets are good for short term results, but not long term. Understanding carbs as a whole should be your main goal. Learn the difference from low to high impact carbs. See when they can be incorporated into your diet. I've mentioned this before is when I was dieting for photoshoots I drank excessive beer everyday and was the leanest I've ever been. You can achieve the body you want with little restrictions.

[hateraid]

Don't really think he's giving any advice, only pointing out that vegetables do in fact have carbs.

Good carbs for sure. I mean, the micro nutrients are critical for longterm health.

Without supplements while just eating meat is a REALLY bad idea. You'll get shredded but your cognition is everything. Doing keto should be fine if you're worried about excess carbs.

Tpols is an idiot. These are the type of Jordan stans that drag down the rational ones.

[hateraid]

I wanted to circle back to this as i didn't notice it was addressed to me


0.6 X my current bodyweight would be over 100g of protein which is difficult to get since I am intermittent fasting unless I drink a bunch of protein shakes

Shakes, chicken, tuna... it's all the same once your digestive system churns it out. Protein powders are good in addition as well as they are quick assimilating and convenient. That 25 gram shake just took on 1/4 of your RDI for an active person. It's such a shitty thing powders receive a bad stigma because idiots don't have a clue about them so they knock them as "steroids" or "not real food"


Is there a reason why I should eat frequent small portions over what I currently do which is one or two large meals?

Smaller portions frequently are easy to assimilate and balances blood sugar. Learn and understand insulin and you'll unlock the key to nutrition and proper dieting


Do you mind if i ask you what your current diet consists of and how do you manage to hit your macros?

I stopped measuring what I eat and just be consistent. Greatly reduce starchy grains and sugar and eat smaller frequently. Feed you body so insulin doesn't go erratic
I guess the closest thing I follow currently is 40/50/10. 40% carbs, 50% protein, 10% fat as my main meals.
When I say learn about insulin also learn about impact carbs. Learn how they affect insulin. This is more of a long term lifestyle than a fab diet. If you learn all of that you'd have your cake and eat it too. Literally

[tpols]

Don't really think he's giving any advice, only pointing out that vegetables do in fact have carbs.

Good carbs for sure. I mean, the micro nutrients are critical for longterm health.

Without supplements while just eating meat is a REALLY bad idea. You'll get shredded but your cognition is everything. Doing keto should be fine if you're worried about excess carbs.

Yea I've done Keto before. You can easily enter ketosis eating meats and veggies... so the minimal carbs from them don't have much of an effect. Bolded is very true. A serving of carrots has 25 calories and ~5 grams of carbs. Broccoli 50 calories and ~10 grams. Literally nothing from a carb perspective, but you get a ton of nutrients to compliment the fat and proteins in the meats.

[Manny98]

I wanted to circle back to this as i didn't notice it was addressed to me



Shakes, chicken, tuna... it's all the same once your digestive system churns it out. Protein powders are good in addition as well as they are quick assimilating and convenient. That 25 gram shake just took on 1/4 of your RDI for an active person. It's such a shitty thing powders receive a bad stigma because idiots don't have a clue about them so they knock them as "steroids" or "not real food"



Smaller portions frequently are easy to assimilate and balances blood sugar. Learn and understand insulin and you'll unlock the key to nutrition and proper dieting



I stopped measuring what I eat and just be consistent. Greatly reduce starchy grains and sugar and eat smaller frequently. Feed you body so insulin doesn't go erratic
I guess the closest thing I follow currently is 40/50/10. 40% carbs, 50% protein, 10% fat as my main meals.
When I say learn about insulin also learn about impact carbs. Learn how they affect insulin. This is more of a long term lifestyle than a fab diet. If you learn all of that you'd have your cake and eat it too. Literally
Protein shakes are a literal cheat code
30g of protein in just one glass + they taste delicious if you use Whole Milk

I'll start going for 100+g a day once the gym opens up right now I am making sure I get around 1g per KG of bodyweight

[Axe]

Protein shakes are a literal cheat code
30g of protein in just one glass + they taste delicious if you use Whole Milk

I'll start going for 100+g a day once the gym opens up right now I am making sure I get around 1g per KG of bodyweight
Make sure that thick particle doesn't cover your whole liver

[hateraid]

Protein shakes are a literal cheat code
30g of protein in just one glass + they taste delicious if you use Whole Milk

I'll start going for 100+g a day once the gym opens up right now I am making sure I get around 1g per KG of bodyweight

Well ideally for a normal person who is not really exercising that would be an optimal amount. Exercise, especially weight training does tons of damage to muscle, and as all things damaged requires repair which is the suggested minimal 70% of your weight in LBs converted to the amount of grams of protein.

But really just consume your shake after your workout in that proper anabolic window (half an hour after workout). What ever you decide to mix just manipulates calories.
Again, learn insulin and impact carbs and you will understand macros and dieting.

[hateraid]

Yea I've done Keto before. You can easily enter ketosis eating meats and veggies... so the minimal carbs from them don't have much of an effect. Bolded is very true. A serving of carrots has 25 calories and ~5 grams of carbs. Broccoli 50 calories and ~10 grams. Literally nothing from a carb perspective, but you get a ton of nutrients to compliment the fat and proteins in the meats.

Apologies boy?

[tpols]

Protein shakes are a literal cheat code
30g of protein in just one glass + they taste delicious if you use Whole Milk

I'll start going for 100+g a day once the gym opens up right now I am making sure I get around 1g per KG of bodyweight

Protein Shakes that use whey are really bad for you. It's a waste product. You're much better off going for lean cuts of high quality meat. Trader Joe's is my shit. Arnold used to live off steaks, lean chicken, fish, nuts, and vegetables. Don't listen to these GNC salesmen peddling bullshit. Seen it too many times.

[hateraid]

Protein Shakes that use whey are really bad for you. It's a waste product. You're much better off going for lean cuts of high quality meat. Trader Joe's is my shit. Arnold used to live off steaks, lean chicken, fish, nuts, and vegetables. Don't listen to these GNC salesmen peddling bullshit. Seen it too many times.

Did I try and sell him anything? Read boy.

Stupid shit like this is why you can't listen to this idiot. Doesn't know a thing about anything. He's in this thread like a kid wanting to join the grown up table.

Dumbass.

[hateraid]

I wouldn't cop any advice from Tadpole. You're doing fine and shakes are completely fine if you're using recreationally. Nothing wrong with them. When he says "I've seen it too many times" he probably read it off reddit and thinks he's an expert. He doesn't know anything about what's in them. He just reads what he wants to read like a typical moron.

[Manny98]

Protein Shakes that use whey are really bad for you. It's a waste product. You're much better off going for lean cuts of high quality meat. Trader Joe's is my shit. Arnold used to live off steaks, lean chicken, fish, nuts, and vegetables. Don't listen to these GNC salesmen peddling bullshit. Seen it too many times.

It can't be that bad considering the amount of fitness people that use whey protein on a daily basis :confusedshrug:

But I do aim to get as much as possible from natural sources like Chicken Breast and eggs

[tpols]

This is a Harvard Medical School study.

link (https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/the-hidden-dangers-of-protein-powders)


A protein powder is a dietary supplement. The FDA leaves it up to manufacturers to evaluate the safety and labeling of products. So, there's no way to know if a protein powder contains what manufacturers claim.

We don't know the long-term effects. "There are limited data on the possible side effects of high protein intake from supplements," McManus says.
It may cause digestive distress. "People with dairy allergies or trouble digesting lactose [milk sugar] can experience gastrointestinal discomfort if they use a milk-based protein powder," McManus points out.

It may be high in added sugars and calories. Some protein powders have little added sugar, and others have a lot (as much as 23 grams per scoop). Some protein powders wind up turning a glass of milk into a drink with more than 1,200 calories. The risk: weight gain and an unhealthy spike in blood sugar. The American Heart Association recommends a limit of 24 grams of added sugar per day for women and 36 grams for men.


Earlier this year, a nonprofit group called the Clean Label Project released a report about toxins in protein powders. Researchers screened 134 products for 130 types of toxins and found that many protein powders contained heavy metals (lead, arsenic, cadmium, and mercury), bisphenol-A (BPA, which is used to make plastic), pesticides, or other contaminants with links to cancer and other health conditions. Some toxins were present in significant quantities. For example, one protein powder contained 25 times the allowed limit of BPA.

How could protein powder contain so many contaminants? The Clean Label Project points to manufacturing processes or the existence of toxins in soil (absorbed by plants that are made into protein powders).

Be careful out there fellas. Eat real food.

[hateraid]

This is a Harvard Medical School study.

link (https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/the-hidden-dangers-of-protein-powders)





Be careful out there fellas. Eat real food.

It's uneducated shit like this that makes me laugh. Some small non-profit group does some skewed study and thinks they got the whole industry figured out. Oh but the other one is from Harvard, therfore it must be true. :oldlol:

Tell me which proteins they studied? How many manufacturers are there in North America alone? Do you know what GMP means? Have you heard of a group called informed choice? Do you even know what a batch number means? Why we have LOT numbers on our product?

I'm sure the "expert" tadpole here can answer all that. I own my own supplement company and I can guarantee you there is no illicit products in the majority of the whey produced. For $1700 anyone can have my whey protein tested for any of that bullshit stuff tadpole is talking about. And I guarantee it comes clean. Why? Because many suckers like tadpole have attempted it and failed.

Again, tadpole here reads shit from reddit and thinks he's an expert. What a dummy. He calls me a GNC salesman, but even a basic GNC employee is not as dumb as this nutritional conspirator.

There was a time I would help anyone out her. Not anymore. I have coupon codes on my website I can give away free products with, but at the risk of idiots like tadpole I'm never sharing personal information.

[tpols]

I'm sorry little guy but I take peer reviewed articles from top ranked medical schools word over what a GNC salesmen says.

*pats head*

I'm just trying to look out for you bro.

[hateraid]

I'm sorry little guy but I take peer reviewed articles from top ranked medical schools word over what a GNC salesmen says.

*pats head*

I'm just trying to look out for you bro.

Lol, a student studied review on an unknown product. Lol. There's 10X more studies from accredited colleges that will give you the exact opposite information. Pointing out one study that's geared towards your agenda doesn't say much. It's laughable actually you're that clueless. All a smart person has to do is google "beneficial research on whey" and find a study to their liking.
I'm speaking on personal experience. I've worked with IMG Academy. Top nutritionists and trainers in the world. Elite athletes. And this keyboard warrior thinks he's an expert based on a random study. lol
If you were smart enough to even read labels you can tell the study was done on one particular product. But yeah, I bet you already knew that :oldlol:

[hateraid]

I wouldn't listen to tadpole. Claiming a fake Harvard degree and all. :oldlol:

Let's gofundme $1700 for tadpole and I will link a legit 3rd party testing laboratory. He can pick any protein he wants and have it tested for his bullshit claim. Lol

[tpols]

Some small non-profit group does some skewed study and thinks they got the whole industry figured out. Oh but the other one is from Harvard, therfore it must be true.

Both quotes are from the same article. They're both excerpts from a Harvard Medical School study.

I just broke it down to the important parts so people that didn't want to read the whole article could just get the main message. The meat and potatoes of the article if you will. Oh wait! No! Potatoes have carbs! I'd recommend one of our esteemed colleagues Hateraid's mass weight gainer powders over cuts of lean meat and starchy potatoes... yuck! Who needs real nutritious food when you can just have a scoop or 4 of Hateraid's award winning, non-FDA regulated mystery powders and get those gains bro!

:rockon:

[hateraid]

Both quotes are from the same article. They're both excerpts from a Harvard Medical School study.

I just broke it down to the important parts so people that didn't want to read the whole article could just get the main message. The meat and potatoes of the article if you will. Oh wait! No! Potatoes have carbs! I'd recommend one of our esteemed colleagues Hateraid's mass weight gainer powders over cuts of lean meat and starchy potatoes... yuck! Who needs real nutritious food when you can just have a scoop or 4 of Hateraid's award winning, non-FDA regulated mystery powders and get those gains bro!

:rockon:

Lol, the resident internet degree saying everything I predicted he'd say.

- call me a GNC salesman. Check
- peddling protein powders. Check
- make up random bullshit about not eating food. Check

Come up with new material Harvard boy. Lol.

I love how internet educated people make bullshit up. But yeah, just like his shitty knowledge of NBA related things just piuls stuff out his ass and proceeds to get piled on. Lol

Harvard FTW!

And quit telling people to take weight gainers. You look like a fool.

[TheCorporation]

Yea hateraid isn't giving good advice. He's right there's some carbs in veggies but you'll be far healthier with them and meat than just meat by itself.

No dumb tadpole, he did not say that. You can't read for shit.


Well you criticized him for zero carb... when veggies really have basically no carbs that aren't immediately burned off because the amount is so negligible. And now he wants to go carnivore based on your advice. That's bad advice.


No, he didn't say that either. If reading is this difficult for you then I don't imagine being on a forum is that beneficial for those with mental deficiencies...Anyway, unless you're benching 315 then don't be giving any advice and since I doubt you can...Shhhhh.

[coin24]

I love how people compare themselves to “what Arnold did”

He was a professional bodybuilder taking a ton of anabolics, whose whole life was build around working out. You are dweebs that lift a few times a week. Protein shakes here and there aren’t going to hurt you, eating them instead of meals probably will though..

It’s not rocket science, want to get big? Eat more and lift.
Want to lean out? Eat less and do some cardio

Comparing protein shakes? Some will give people an upset stomach, so switch brands..

[Manny98]

Just ordered some protein pancake mix + organic peanut :banana:

Going to be looking swol by the end of the year :pimp:

I mix in OMAD with 16/8 for the weight loss, I can easily get 100+g of protein a day now as I am incorpating a lot of chicken breast into my diet + protein shakes + protein pancakes

Currently down 2 pounds in 2 days from OMAD

[Chick Stern]

It can't be that bad considering the amount of fitness people that use whey protein on a daily basis :confusedshrug:

But I do aim to get as much as possible from natural sources like Chicken Breast and eggs
Dairy is unnecessary for adults, and both dairy and huevos are not very good for you.

[LBJFTW]

I'm trying to get in shape so im looking to increase my protein intake but I'm not sure on how much I actually need, right now I'd say I get 65g
Just curious to see how much protein intake my fellow ISH members get

Aren’t you only 5 ft tall? 65g may be a bit too much.

[LAmbruh]

Aren’t you only 5 ft tall? 65g may be a bit too much.
gainz bro

[Manny98]

Aren’t you only 5 ft tall? 65g may be a bit too much.

No I am 6ft 190 pounds currently

[JohnnySic]

Most people who consume a reasonable diet are getting enough protein. Protein shakes aren't necessary unless you're trying to gain mass, in which case you need a surplus of protein. Even then, you're better off getting protein from fresh food sources.

[hateraid]

Most people who consume a reasonable diet are getting enough protein. Protein shakes aren't necessary unless you're trying to gain mass, in which case you need a surplus of protein. Even then, you're better off getting protein from fresh food sources.

Again, this is a huge misconception that creates a bad stigma about whey protein.
Think of whey protein as any other source of protein. at the end of the day it's food. No different from a chicken, tuna, soy...
Really you can say ANY form of protein is not necessary if you have the optimal diet. Whey is just an alternative source.

The term supplement means to compliment. Meaning it's not meant to be a primary source of protein. But in addition to diet. Nobody in this industry is telling people to consume whey as a primary source.

Whey protein has certain advantages that whole foods cannot provide. It has faster assimilation. After a workout what do you think will repair muscle faster? A protein shake or a chicken breast? The difference is like comparing a Ferrari to a Civic. Both are cars. A Ferrari isn't necessary. But one definitely will get you from point A to point B faster

Whey protein is more bio available in complete amino acids over EVERY source of protein coming from a whole food source

Hydrolyzed Whey is used in IV drips for muscle wasting patients

In a lot of cases whey is much cheaper

Whey is much more convenient and quicker to prepare. What consumes less time? Cooking a chicken or making a shake in a shaker cup?

Not trying to knock you Jonnysic, just saying you're not painting a complete picture for people to understand it's benefits.

[hateraid]

Dairy is unnecessary for adults, and both dairy and huevos are not very good for you.

Dairy is unnecessary, but whey is an isolated form derived from dairy. Meaning it is free of all lactose. As a matter of fact whey is often prescribed to people with dairy allergies.

[JohnnySic]

Again, this is a huge misconception that creates a bad stigma about whey protein.
Think of whey protein as any other source of protein. at the end of the day it's food. No different from a chicken, tuna, soy...
Really you can say ANY form of protein is not necessary if you have the optimal diet. Whey is just an alternative source.

The term supplement means to compliment. Meaning it's not meant to be a primary source of protein. But in addition to diet. Nobody in this industry is telling people to consume whey as a primary source.

Whey protein has certain advantages that whole foods cannot provide. It has faster assimilation. After a workout what do you think will repair muscle faster? A protein shake or a chicken breast? The difference is like comparing a Ferrari to a Civic. Both are cars. A Ferrari isn't necessary. But one definitely will get you from point A to point B faster

Whey protein is more bio available in complete amino acids over EVERY source of protein coming from a whole food source

Hydrolyzed Whey is used in IV drips for muscle wasting patients

In a lot of cases whey is much cheaper

Whey is much more convenient and quicker to prepare. What consumes less time? Cooking a chicken or making a shake in a shaker cup?

Not trying to knock you Jonnysic, just saying you're not painting a complete picture for people to understand it's benefits.

No offense, but lots of bro-science here. Protein powder, whey or otherwise, is not as absorbable as protein from fresh food sources.

You also dont need protein immediately after a workout to repair muscle. Another myth to sell protein shakes at the gym juice bar.

I believed that stuff when I was younger and naive, but experience has taught me that's its all bs.

[hateraid]

No offense, but lots of bro-science here. Protein powder, whey or otherwise, is not as absorbable as protein from fresh food sources.

What is bro-science about a powder absorbing faster than whole food? That's actual science. LOL.
I feel bro-science is a term used by people to try and belittle people in the supplement industry. Kind of like conspiracy theorist calling people sheep.


You also dont need protein immediately after a workout to repair muscle. Another myth to sell protein shakes at the gym juice bar.

What do you think working out is? It's the breakdown of muscle tissue. Are you saying if your house was need in repair it doesn't need raw material? I couldn't care less if you didn't take a shake. I don't sell whey in my company (a margin thing, not a belief thing). But you ABSOLUTELY need protein after a workout. Regardless of source.
Again, your ignorance of whey leads you to believe this as a fact


I believed that stuff when I was younger and naive, but experience has taught me that's its all bs

Because you don't believe this, doesn't make it not true. Everything I said is a fact. It is not a sales tactic. You don't use supplements, that's fine, but you are vastly ignorant on the subject. I don't think Brady is the GOAT. But Still don't deny facts.

[hateraid]

Again Jonny, you're reading into this like I'm trying to "Sell" something. I have no intentions. How TF am I benefitting from explaining facts. You are reading this like it's some sort of "broscience" when really it's presenting something alternative. Nothing I have said was to tell people to "TAKE WHEY, IT's A MUST". It's to say taking whey is OK and here's why. I also have never said take whey instead of food.

I said:

- It's more convenient
- It absorbs faster
- It's cheaper

But your experience seems to have lead you to be completely one sided that facts don't matter. Sorry to hear that, but again, because you don't believe it, doesn't make it false.

[JohnnySic]

What is bro-science about a powder absorbing faster than whole food? That's actual science. LOL.
I feel bro-science is a term used by people to try and belittle people in the supplement industry. Kind of like conspiracy theorist calling people sheep.



What do you think working out is? It's the breakdown of muscle tissue. Are you saying if your house was need in repair it doesn't need raw material? I couldn't care less if you didn't take a shake. I don't sell whey in my company (a margin thing, not a belief thing). But you ABSOLUTELY need protein after a workout.
Again, your ignorance of whey leads you to believe this as a fact



Because you don't believe this, doesn't make it not true. Everything I said is a fact. It is not a sales tactic. You don't use supplements, that's fine, but you are vastly ignorant on the subject. I don't think Brady is the GOAT. But Still don't deny facts.

You do not need protein immediately after a workout to rebuild muscle. As long as you're getting sufficient protein throughout the day, you are good.

[hateraid]

You do not need protein immediately after a workout to rebuild muscle. As long as you're getting sufficient protein throughout the day, you are good.

It's actually the most important time. That and in the morning. It's when your body is in it's most catabolic state. That protein throughout the day is to sustain muscle structure and tissue.
You're pretty much arguing against a process that's been know for years. It's pretty much the same as saying you don't need water after doing cardio as long as you consume enough water throughout the day.

[coin24]

Are you really arguing about the “anabolic window” my goodness what year is it:lol

Do you also sip bcaa’s during your workouts?:roll:q

[hateraid]

Are you really arguing about the “anabolic window” my goodness what year is it:lol

Do you also sip bcaa’s during your workouts?:roll:q

I don't think anybody said anabolic window at all. But yes, you should replenish after every workout.

I don't see a problem with BCAAs either. It's an alternative form of protein. If people want to sip through protein why the hell not?

[And1AllDay]

Yea hateraid isn't giving good advice. He's right there's some carbs in veggies but you'll be far healthier with them and meat than just meat by itself.


Well you criticized him for zero carb... when veggies really have basically no carbs that aren't immediately burned off because the amount is so negligible. And now he wants to go carnivore based on your advice. That's bad advice.


I take 100g per day but I guess it is too much, I should drink less shakes.

no 100 grams is not much unless your a 100 pound female

are u?

[Brujesino]

Protein shake before bed yay or nay?

[coin24]

I don't think anybody said anabolic window at all. But yes, you should replenish after every workout.

I don't see a problem with BCAAs either. It's an alternative form of protein. If people want to sip through protein why the hell not?


No it’s not. Bcaa is pure bulshit and you just flushed your money in the toilet:lol

[hateraid]

No it’s not. Bcaa is pure bulshit and you just flushed your money in the toilet:lol

It was one time considered a banned substances for performance enhancing. They couldn't because it's just amino acids.
It's an isolated form of protein. So explain why is it bullshit? Because people chose to drink it while working out? Realistically you can dink it whenever. You're essentially just consuming extra protein. And cheaper than whole foods.

Make sure when you respond to this have an educated response other than "pure BS" or "waste of money"

[hateraid]

It's funny how I've work with some of the top athletes in the world. I've worked directly with trainers at the IMG Academy (https://www.imgacademy.com/). The countries greatest trainers and athletes are all invested in supplements to improve performance and I still see average ISH Joe Blows calling it "broscience" :lol

[tpols]

Bro everybody is disagreeing with you.

I don't even give much of a ****, but it's obvious eating natural food sources for protein is the best route. We evolved on meat, grains, vegetables, and fruits. Not GNC protein shakes. Our digestive systems are programmed to most efficiently process the former. You're a peddler. And that's OK. But don't expect us to not call you out on it.

[hateraid]

Bro everybody is disagreeing with you.

I don't even give much of a ****, but it's obvious eating natural food sources for protein is the best route. We evolved on meat, grains, vegetables, and fruits. Not GNC protein shakes. Our digestive systems are programmed to most efficiently process the former. You're a peddler. And that's OK. But don't expect us to not call you out on it.

Lol, because uneducated nerds like you come in with an opinion? You've been specifically called out multiple times on here. Why are you even posting? To make something up about me? Lol

[hateraid]

You are correct Hateraid. You were just giving out accurate info.

Anyway, I will let you guys know how things go with protein only.....However, I will drink my coffee in the morning and my wine at night.

Hi tadpole

[hateraid]

No dumb tadpole, he did not say that. You can't read for shit.




No, he didn't say that either. If reading is this difficult for you then I don't imagine being on a forum is that beneficial for those with mental deficiencies...Anyway, unless you're benching 315 then don't be giving any advice and since I doubt you can...Shhhhh.

Hi tadpole

Where's your Harvard degree? Lol

[coin24]

It's funny how I've work with some of the top athletes in the world. I've worked directly with trainers at the IMG Academy (https://www.imgacademy.com/). The countries greatest trainers and athletes are all invested in supplements to improve performance and I still see average ISH Joe Blows calling it "broscience" :lol


Bcaa’s are not protein you idiot..

The marketing bs was that they promote protein synthesis, aid recovery etc, however you get more than enough from your diet. Sipping them during a workout does literally nothing.

If you think supplements are better than food then you’re a fkn simp go ahead and waste your money on them

[hateraid]

Bcaa’s are not protein you idiot..

The marketing bs was that they promote protein synthesis, aid recovery etc, however you get more than enough from your diet. Sipping them during a workout does literally nothing.

If you think supplements are better than food then you’re a fkn simp go ahead and waste your money on them

Amino acids are classified as protein. It's not a complete form but it's still protein. You're body uses those aminos to synthesis other aminos to form muscle. Please explain to me what you think they are?

And again, I've worked with top trainers in the world. Millions of athletes take them. They all support it. Yet Joe nobodies like you think the industry is telling them to take supplements instead of food. :oldlol:

Why do you idiots keep insisting I'm saying supplements are better than whole food? I have never said this once in this thread at all. This is why it's impossible to educate people. They lack comprehension to begin with :facepalm

[Manny98]

Bro everybody is disagreeing with you.

I don't even give much of a ****, but it's obvious eating natural food sources for protein is the best route. We evolved on meat, grains, vegetables, and fruits. Not GNC protein shakes. Our digestive systems are programmed to most efficiently process the former. You're a peddler. And that's OK. But don't expect us to not call you out on it.
Protein shakes are made from whey protein which is a natural ingredient collected from food/cows milk

[hateraid]

Protein shakes are made from whey protein which is a natural ingredient collected from food/cows milk


He lacks comprehension to understand that. Harvard degree and all

[hateraid]

This thread went exactly the way I predicted

Hateraid: Whole foods are ideal, but it's ok to supplement as well

The peanut gallery: stop selling your broscience! Whole foods rule!

Lol.

[hateraid]

Protein shake before bed yay or nay?

It will help reduce catabolism while sleeping. Only drawback is having to get up to pee in the middle of the night.

[coin24]

This thread went exactly the way I predicted

Hateraid: Whole foods are ideal, but it's ok to supplement as well

The peanut gallery: stop selling your broscience! Whole foods rule!

Lol.

That’s not what you said throughout the thread, in reality you just spew bulshit about working with top people and are probably a sloth yourself.

I said earlier shakes are fine here and there. Not as a food replacement though.

If you were to give people advice on the subject it should always be spend your money on real food and not supplements, that is the point. If you want to be specific then list these supposed great supplements you endorse and we can judge then.

[hateraid]

That’s not what you said throughout the thread, in reality you just spew bulshit about working with top people and are probably a sloth yourself.

I said earlier shakes are fine here and there. Not as a food replacement though.

If you were to give people advice on the subject it should always be spend your money on real food and not supplements, that is the point. If you want to be specific then list these supposed great supplements you endorse and we can judge then.

Point out where I said not to eat whole food.
You seriously lack comprehension.

[Stanley Kobrick]

coin24 is very familiar with dairy products, especially in the yogurt department

[Axe]

coin24 is very familiar with dairy products, especially in the yogurt department
Well he did vouch for sog de le'sao after all. A good biscuit for protein indeed, especially during porn hub sessions.

[hateraid]

Cmon fellas, let's all try to relax.

Yall can agree to disagree. This aint the kinda thing worth gettin personal over.

Let's shrug off the acrimony and try to focus on what really matters:

Lebron.

I could stick around. I managed to get a crackhead welfare fan, a tadpole, and cashew, 3 pathetic posters who constantly get picked and wildy disagree on the the whole Kobe/Jordan/Lebron thing to try and gang up on me. It must be entertaining for the ISH viewer. I don't think any other poster has this impact :lol

[Street Hunger]

Lots of protein in a can of tuna fish.

But it isn't healthy to eat tuna fish each day because of the mercury in it.

[hateraid]

40% of muscle mass lbs converted to grams.

/thread

[SaltyMeatballs]

Lots of protein in a can of tuna fish.

But it isn't healthy to eat tuna fish each day because of the mercury in it.

Tuna fish out of a can tastes ****ing awful. The tuna in those blue packets are way better

[SaltyMeatballs]

I take the gym pretty seriously, so I try get in about 1g of protein per pound. I'm 6'3 and 205 lbs, so I try to aim for 200g of protein a day. That's not easy though, because sometimes I really don't feel like eating. I'd say I usually get around 170-180g of protein on a normal day, and 210-220 on a good day.

My main sources of protein are:
- Chicken
- Fish
- Lean ground beef (93/7)
- Eggs
- Protein powder
- Oats
- Peanut butter