Kawhi and Embiid are MVP favorites

[StrongLurk]

You could slot Lebron in at 3 due to team record, but Bron is coasting hard this season and playing a career low in minutes.

Meanwhile Kawhi and Embiid have been amazing so far and have the best records.

Kawhi has actually played every game I believe this year so there is no load management disqualifying him from MVP.

[k0kakw0rld]

You could slot Lebron in at 3 due to team record, but Bron is coasting hard this season and playing a career low in minutes.

Meanwhile Kawhi and Embiid have been amazing so far and have the best records.

Kawhi has actually played every game I believe this year so there is no load management disqualifying him from MVP.
Is this according to a reliable source or is it your opinion? If yes! then why should we value your opinion?

[Sulico]

I still cannot believe the robbery PHI did in that Seth Curry trade.

How can a sane person be an NBA executive and trade best shooter in the world at the moment for a mediocre undersized wing with 0 offensive moves. In the 3pt shooting league NBA is today....

Donn Nelson should be fired immediately!

[Akeem34TheDream]

I dont think Sixers will stay at the top. Clippers are more likely to get the first seed. Whoever gets the first seed will have the MVP.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Isn't Paul George averaging basically the same numbers as Kawhi?

LeBron is clear favorite for MVP so far

[RRR3]

Embiid has taken the next step. 27.3 PPG on 68.1 TS% good gawd :bowdown:

[Ghost1]

I still cannot believe the robbery PHI did in that Seth Curry trade.

How can a sane person be an NBA executive and trade best shooter in the world at the moment for a mediocre undersized wing with 0 offensive moves. In the 3pt shooting league NBA is today....

Donn Nelson should be fired immediately!

mavs would be one of the best teams in the league right now if not for covid

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi missed a few games because he suffered a face injury.

Embiid has missed 3 games this season because of load management if I'm not mistaken? So Embiid should be automatically disqualified. You can't disqualify Kawhi for load management but let Embiid get away with it. Also, Embiid is the most injury prone player in the league and is due for his routine yearly injury.

So I think it will probably come down too Kawhi/Jokic and which team has the better record?

I would say based on actual impact on the court, clippers 2021 are the 1996 bulls. George is all nba 1st team like Pippen and Kawhi is MVP like Jordan, they just don't get the hype.

[TheGoatest]

In this early NBA media poll, Durant is #1 and LeBron is #2:

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-media-poll-kevin-durant-203551162.html

Embiid is #4

Kawhi is #10, behind teammate Paul George, who is #5. LeBron's teammate Anthony Davis, who has self-admittedly not played well so far isn't even tied for #11 with three other players.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

In this early NBA media poll, Durant is #1 and LeBron is #2:

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-media-poll-kevin-durant-203551162.html

Embiid is #4

Kawhi is #10, behind teammate Paul George, who is #5. LeBron's teammate Anthony Davis, who has self-admittedly not played well so far isn't even tied for #11 with three other players.

Durant is clearly #1 right now for leading nets to a 9-8 record while on load management. How could anybody think otherwise is behind me.

[StrongLurk]

How could anyone have other players besides Embiid or Kawhi at this point? Two best players on the two 1 seeds right now.

Also Lebron is not having a "good" season by his standards. 23.9 PER, 58.7 TS%, 5.3 BPM, career low in minutes. To me he is obviously coasting around 75% of what he can actually do, but you won't win MVP like that.

Embiid and Kawhi have better numbers, can't just ignore that.

[insight]

mavs would be one of the best teams in the league right now if not for covid

How so? every team is dealing with Covid.

[r0drig0lac]

Durant is clearly #1 right now for leading nets to a 9-8 record while on load management. How could anybody think otherwise is behind me.

lol this

[NBAGOAT]

embiid had some covid protocol stuff

[HBK_Kliq_2]

embiid had some covid protocol stuff

Embiid sat out January 16th game vs grizzles because "knee" which pretty much means he's resting and on load management on a back to back.

Now Embiid is Iisted as questionable because of back tightness vs the Pistons on Saturday.

MVP Hahahaha yeah right. Embiid is the most injury prone player in nba history, its always something else with the guy.

[fourkicks44]

Embiid sat out January 16th game vs grizzles because "knee" which pretty much means he's resting and on load management on a back to back.

Now Embiid is Iisted as questionable because of back tightness vs the Pistons on Saturday.

MVP Hahahaha yeah right. Embiid is the most injury prone player in nba history, its always something else with the guy.
It's ironic you are so against load management when your hero Kawhi invented and revolutionized load management.

[999Guy]

Kawhi, Jokic, Embiid. Clear top 3.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

It's ironic you are so against load management when your hero Kawhi invented and revolutionized load management.

Kawhi only did it temporarily and he went goat mode in 2019 playoff, so he deserved it in 2019.

2020 kawhi kind of did it but still played about 80% of the games

Now kawhi isn't doing it, so he deserves it. You don't give it to load management guys like Embiid and Durant this season.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi already made Embiid cry one time, is he going to have to make him cry again

[fourkicks44]

Kawhi only did it temporarily and he went goat mode in 2019 playoff, so he deserved it in 2019.

2020 kawhi kind of did it but still played about 80% of the games

Now kawhi isn't doing it, so he deserves it. You don't give it to load management guys like Embiid and Durant this season.

That some kiddlovesnets logic right there :oldlol:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

That some kiddlovesnets logic right there :oldlol:

Only kawhi can do it because he's a GOAT level player. That was only temporarily for like a season and a half anyway.

[TheGoatest]

Kawhi already made Embiid cry one time, is he going to have to make him cry again

That was Marc Gasol, who also did this to Embiid the season after Kawhit left:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201911250TOR.html

[light]

You could slot Lebron in at 3 due to team record, but Bron is coasting hard this season and playing a career low in minutes.

Meanwhile Kawhi and Embiid have been amazing so far and have the best records.

Kawhi has actually played every game I believe this year so there is no load management disqualifying him from MVP.

Kawhi missed two games. LeBron has played in every game this season.

The Clippers and Sixers are much worse teams than the Lakers.

The Lakers are top 5 in both offense and defense and are superior both in point differential.

Clearly LeBron is the MVP favorite, especially with Anthony Davis in suck mode.

[Axe]

It's ironic you are so against load management when your hero Kawhi invented and revolutionized load management.
:roll:

The ether

[Axe]

Embiid sat out January 16th game vs grizzles because "knee" which pretty much means he's resting and on load management on a back to back.

Now Embiid is Iisted as questionable because of back tightness vs the Pistons on Saturday.

MVP Hahahaha yeah right. Embiid is the most injury prone player in nba history, its always something else with the guy.
Lol you act as if your hero have played b2b games in the last three years

[StrongLurk]

Embiid with 33/14 tonight.

Meanwhile Bron had an inefficient 17 point game with 6 turnovers.

Right now MVP race for this season is Embiid 1 and Kawhi 2.

[Pipes2.0]

LOL at Kahwit being an MVP favorite when Pandemic-P is having a better Regular season than him. :lol

[HBK_Kliq_2]

That was Marc Gasol, who also did this to Embiid the season after Kawhit left:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201911250TOR.html

Gasol averaged 8PPG, kawhi averaged 33PPG. How stupid are you? Math wasn't your strong suit in school was it? Also Kawhi was the one that made the game winner in Embiid's face.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Lol you act as if your hero have played b2b games in the last three years

He didn't win MVPS and neither should Embiid, that's my point. Double standards to do so.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

LOL at Kahwit being an MVP favorite when Pandemic-P is having a better Regular season than him. :lol


Kawhi has more PPG, more assists per game despite having 2.1 less turnovers per game, kawhi is also leading in BPM and win share 48.

There's more evidence that Kawhi is the best player on clippers this season then who was Lakers best player in 2020 playoffs.

[light]

Kawhi has more PPG, more assists per game despite having 2.1 less turnovers per game, kawhi is also leading in BPM and win share 48.

There's more evidence that Kawhi is the best player on clippers this season then who was Lakers best player in 2020 playoffs.

You have a point.

Without Kawhi the Clippers would suck.

Without LeBron the Lakers would suck.

Kawhi is the Clippers MVP so far, imo.

LeBron is the league MVP so far, imo. I think most people favor LeBron right now.

If the Lakers end up with the best record LeBron will win his 5th MVP.

[StrongLurk]

You have a point.

Without Kawhi the Clippers would suck.

Without LeBron the Lakers would suck.

Kawhi is the Clippers MVP so far, imo.

LeBron is the league MVP so far, imo. I think most people favor LeBron right now.

If the Lakers end up with the best record LeBron will win his 5th MVP.

Bron is never going to win MVP unless the league straight up gives him a 5th as a "career" MVP. Like hey we know you've been the best player in the league for essentially a decade or maybe more, he's an MVP to celebrate everything you've done.

But Bron's level of play so far this regular season is the worst it's been since his rookie year. Lebron is arguably still the best player in the league when it comes to the playoff (which is all that matters), but he's not the best regular season player because he has to coast due to his age. In fact, he's been coasting in the regular season since 2015 (except for maybe the 2018 season).

MVP is not a "best player" award, it's purely a regular season award the involve the 3-4 best players on the 3-4 best teams. Stating that Kawhi and Embiid are ahead of Lebron in the MVP race does not immediately mean that they are better players, especially with Lebron's age/mileage to worry about.

[TheGoatest]

Bron is never going to win MVP unless the league straight up gives him a 5th as a "career" MVP.

Or if he's something as traditionally un-MVP-like as the best player on the best team in the league, which he has been so far.

[r0drig0lac]

Bron is never going to win MVP unless the league straight up gives him a 5th as a "career" MVP. Like hey we know you've been the best player in the league for essentially a decade or maybe more, he's an MVP to celebrate everything you've done.

But Bron's level of play so far this regular season is the worst it's been since his rookie year. Lebron is arguably still the best player in the league when it comes to the playoff (which is all that matters), but he's not the best regular season player because he has to coast due to his age. In fact, he's been coasting in the regular season since 2015 (except for maybe the 2018 season).

MVP is not a "best player" award, it's purely a regular season award the involve the 3-4 best players on the 3-4 best teams. Stating that Kawhi and Embiid are ahead of Lebron in the MVP race does not immediately mean that they are better players, especially with Lebron's age/mileage to worry about.

agree

[Axe]

He didn't win MVPS and neither should Embiid, that's my point. Double standards to do so.
Don't forget that two weeks ago he was only able to reach 10k points this year, 10 years after his drafting in the league. Courtesy of load management. :oldlol:

[SATAN]

LeBron has made this award seem like a runner up prize :lol

[dankok8]

Bron is never going to win MVP unless the league straight up gives him a 5th as a "career" MVP. Like hey we know you've been the best player in the league for essentially a decade or maybe more, he's an MVP to celebrate everything you've done.

But Bron's level of play so far this regular season is the worst it's been since his rookie year. Lebron is arguably still the best player in the league when it comes to the playoff (which is all that matters), but he's not the best regular season player because he has to coast due to his age. In fact, he's been coasting in the regular season since 2015 (except for maybe the 2018 season).

MVP is not a "best player" award, it's purely a regular season award the involve the 3-4 best players on the 3-4 best teams. Stating that Kawhi and Embiid are ahead of Lebron in the MVP race does not immediately mean that they are better players, especially with Lebron's age/mileage to worry about.

Well said.

[Taurus]

Jokic should also be getting considerations

[Axe]

MVP is not a "best player" award, it's purely a regular season award the involve the 3-4 best players on the 3-4 best teams. Stating that Kawhi and Embiid are ahead of Lebron in the MVP race does not immediately mean that they are better players, especially with Lebron's age/mileage to worry about.
Are you trying to suggest this as a reason why he is playing with someone as good as ad rn?

[StrongLurk]

Kawhi with a massive 34/9/8 with zero turnovers. He is killing it this year like I said when the season started. He will be playing for revenge.

Again, if you don't have Kawhi/Embiid as MVP favorites then you are just biased or ignorant.

[Taurus]

Kawhi with a massive 34/9/8 with zero turnovers. He is killing it this year like I said when the season started. He will be playing for revenge.

Again, if you don't have Kawhi/Embiid as MVP favorites then you are just biased or ignorant.

Is team record holding Jokic back for you? Cause otherwise you're srsly sleeping on Jokic, and it's not like the Nuggets have a bad record (5th in the West) and probably gonna rise.

[StrongLurk]

Is team record holding Jokic back for you? Cause otherwise you're srsly sleeping on Jokic, and it's not like the Nuggets have a bad record (5th in the West) and probably gonna rise.

Of course record is holding Jokic back. MVP is not always a "best player" award.

[Taurus]

Of course record is holding Jokic back. MVP is not always a "best player" award.

Yeah that's understandable. However, Jokic is my dark horse if the Nuggets finish with a top seed like last year.

[Smoke117]

Kawhi really hasn't been anything special this season. Clippers are just a very good team. Jokic, for example, has clearly been a better player, but the Nuggets obviously don't have as much talent as the Clippers do so aren't winning as much. Also, Paul George has been a better offensive player than Kawhi so far this season anyway. Neither have done much of anything defensively thus far.

[StrongLurk]

Kawhi really hasn't been anything special this season. Clippers are just a very good team. Jokic, for example, has clearly been a better player, but the Nuggets obviously don't have as much talent as the Clippers do so aren't winning as much.

Kawhi has been really, really good. Just another ignorant comment. He just had a 34/9/8 game with highly efficient scoring and zero turnovers.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi really hasn't been anything special this season. Clippers are just a very good team. Jokic, for example, has clearly been a better player, but the Nuggets obviously don't have as much talent as the Clippers do so aren't winning as much. Also, Paul George has been a better offensive player than Kawhi so far this season anyway. Neither have done much of anything defensively thus far.

26 PPG on 50/40/90 splits while lead playmaker of the #1 offense. Also playing elite defense as the on/off show and RAPTOR shows. Clippers have the greatest offensive rating in NBA history. Kawhi is doing this all without a teammate superstar who has been an MVP or multi time 1st team all NBA.

To to put in basic terms, kawhi is having one of the greatest regular seasons ever and you're an idiot.

[Smoke117]

26 PPG on 50/40/90 splits while lead playmaker of the #1 offense. Also playing elite defense as the on/off show and RAPTOR shows. Clippers have the greatest offensive rating in NBA history. Kawhi is doing this all without a teammate superstar who has been an MVP or multi time 1st team all NBA.

To to put in basic terms, kawhi is having one of the greatest regular seasons ever and you're an idiot.

lol Kawhi takes 2.6 more shots than George to average .7ppg more. George's effiency is better across the board. Also lol at lead playmaker. Kawhi averages .1 more apg than George and as they play the exact same mpg you could hardly call Kawhi the lead play maker over George. Their impact has been very similar to start the season so you can hardly call him the MVP of the league when if he's the MVP of his team it's just barely.

[tpols]

lol Kawhi takes 2.6 more shots than George to average .7ppg more. George's effiency is better across the board. Also lol at lead playmaker. Kawhi averages .1 more apg than George and as they play the exact same mpg you could hardly call Kawhi the lead play maker over George. Their impact has been very similar to start the season so you can hardly call him the MVP of the league when if he's the MVP of his team it's just barely.

You know damn well Paul George doesn't compare at all in the playoffs to AD or Harden/Durant. So Kawhi doesn't have anywhere close to the best 2nd option help.

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You know damn well Paul George doesn't compare at all in the playoffs to AD or Harden/Durant. So Kawhi doesn't have anywhere close to the best 2nd option help.

George does compare to Harden somewhat. Both are playoff chokers.

PG is not AD or KD though, for sure.

[GOBB]

Anyone who thinks Embiid is better than Jokic is ignorant. Jokic has had great playoff runs the last two years and his production/advanced numbers are a tier higher than Embiid's. If you want to deny these facts, then your words are worthless.

Yet you made this thread. You dudes are funny here nowadays.

[StrongLurk]

Yet you made this thread. You dudes are funny here nowadays.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Jokic is > Embiid as a player. Embiid is > Jokic in the MVP race due to team record in this short season so far.

MVP award does not equal best player award otherwise MJ and Lebron would have like 10 MVPS.

[GOBB]

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Jokic is > Embiid as a player. Embiid is > Jokic in the MVP race due to team record in this short season so far.

MVP award does not equal best player award otherwise MJ and Lebron would have like 10 MVPS.

So his statistical production has no positive influence on the wins. Yikes.

[StrongLurk]

Kawhi really hasn't been anything special this season. Clippers are just a very good team. Jokic, for example, has clearly been a better player, but the Nuggets obviously don't have as much talent as the Clippers do so aren't winning as much. Also, Paul George has been a better offensive player than Kawhi so far this season anyway. Neither have done much of anything defensively thus far.

Kawhi - 26/5/6 with 2 steals and only 1.7 Turnovers/Per Game, 28 PER, 61.1 TS%, 126 ORTG (career high).

But yeah, Kawhi hasn't been special...riiiiight.

[StrongLurk]

So his statistical production has no positive influence on the wins. Yikes.

Trolling = automatically forfeiting the discussion. I won't respond to your posts anymore for this topic.

[GOBB]

Trolling = automatically forfeiting the discussion. I won't respond to your posts anymore for this topic.

Just calling out the inconsistency in your posts. Don’t be mad at me. Stay stuck on stupid. All this Jokic is great stuff and here it is Embiid is the topic of discussion for MVP!? It’s more than record too. But you knew that. Of course you did.

[lisandro]

You could slot Lebron in at 3 due to team record, but Bron is coasting hard this season and playing a career low in minutes.

Meanwhile Kawhi and Embiid have been amazing so far and have the best records.

Kawhi has actually played every game I believe this year so there is no load management disqualifying him from MVP.


Kawhi is not a superstar in my opinion, (https://hairstyle-en.com/lebron-james-hair-ideas-hair-restoration-2021-lebron-james-hairline/) a good supporting player.

[dankok8]

George is shooting really well this year thus far but don't confuse that as being better than Kawhi. Kawhi is easily better and you'll see that if you watch the games. With that being said, if George can keep this form for the playoffs, Clippers should be in much better shape than last year.

My MVP thus far is Embiid. He's really been the most impressive! My man Jokic has as well but Nuggets' team record isn't amazing.

[rawimpact]

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Jokic is > Embiid as a player. Embiid is > Jokic in the MVP race due to team record in this short season so far.

MVP award does not equal best player award otherwise MJ and Lebron would have like 10 MVPS.

This is exactly right. One good example of that is Steve Nash winning MVPs in 04-05 and 05-06 because they were 1st in their conference. Individually his numbers were good but not compared to others, I mean kobe was putting up 35/5/5...

[HBK_Kliq_2]

lol Kawhi takes 2.6 more shots than George to average .7ppg more. George's effiency is better across the board. Also lol at lead playmaker. Kawhi averages .1 more apg than George and as they play the exact same mpg you could hardly call Kawhi the lead play maker over George. Their impact has been very similar to start the season so you can hardly call him the MVP of the league when if he's the MVP of his team it's just barely.

Kawhi is +2.2 on BPM
Kawhi is +9 on win share per 48
Kawhi is +3.2 on assist %
Kawhi is +10 on turn over %

LOL @ being + 10 on turnover % and still being +3.2 on assist %

And also LOL @ your delusional and horrendous take.

Kawhi is at a 28% win share per 48 and 28 PER. If it wasn't for the few games he struggles with while playing with the mask, he would have the godly 30 PER and 30 win share per 48 stats. They are also 9-0 when Kawhi plays without a mask. Kawhi is also topping the list in RAPTOR.

The clear cut best player and your only pathetic argument to stand on is "TS"

[Gohan]

Lmao If lebron won mvp this year he would be the worst one in history. I’m not even exaggerating. Watch the games people not the record. He did have a good game against the bucks though

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Lmao If lebron won mvp this year he would be the worst one in history. I’m not even exaggerating. Watch the games people not the record. He did have a good game against the bucks though

Yeah people are basing it on the games they've been watching. That's why he's the MVP. Especially since AD has had a rough start to the year and they're still #1.

Your comment makes me think that you haven't been watching the games.

[AirBonner]

Kawhi isn’t even the best player on his team

[GOBB]

Kawhi isn’t even the best player on his team

And people say I’m trolling but ignore this? Yikes

[tanibanana]

There is no clear MVP as of the moment, anyone who says otherwise is simply trolling or backing up a certain player with real bias.
Jokic for me is the most impressive but the Nuggets is not winning enough. And George and Kawhi are co-MVPs for Clippers.

[light]

There is no clear MVP as of the moment, anyone who says otherwise is simply trolling or backing up a certain player with real bias.
Jokic for me is the most impressive but the Nuggets is not winning enough. And George and Kawhi are co-MVPs for Clippers.

There is. It's LeBron.

If a vote was taken today he would win unanimously.

[r0drig0lac]

Kawhi is not a superstar in my opinion, (https://hairstyle-en.com/lebron-james-hair-ideas-hair-restoration-2021-lebron-james-hairline/) a good supporting player.
nice first post bro

[Gohan]

Yeah people are basing it on the games they've been watching. That's why he's the MVP. Especially since AD has had a rough start to the year and they're still #1.

Your comment makes me think that you haven't been watching the games.

He’s still getting praised for doing average shit I see. Maybe he just does average shit better than other players.

[Axe]

There is. It's LeBron.

If a vote was taken today he would win unanimously.
Yea but too bad he's not a one-man army this time. Maybe if ad wasn't on his team rn, this would be a lot more convincing.

[tanibanana]

There is. It's LeBron.

If a vote was taken today he would win unanimously.

I won’t argue if its LeBron, Lakers is top in the West.
But my point is that, its too early and there is no clear MVP yet.
The top-5 for me; Bron, Doncic, Embiid, Durant and Jokic, are’nt even that far from the likes of Giannis, Curry, George, Kawhi, Brown.

[TheGoatest]

LeBron... Stop! Everyone else's case for MVP is already dead.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcZzlPGnKdU

[kawhileonard2]

Kawhi isn’t even the best player on his team

Stats prove he is. Lebron isn't the best on the team.

[StrongLurk]

Sixers up early right now. Lebron can take the number 1 spot in MVP race with a great game and victory over Embiid.

[StrongLurk]

Sixers beat Lakers, Embiid still number 1 in the MVP race.

[TheGoatest]

Sixers beat Lakers, Embiid still number 1 in the MVP race.

Did you even watch the game? Embiid wasn't even the second best player on his team tonight.

[SATAN]

I haven't seen Embiid play much this season but if this is what he's doing then he seems completely over rated imo. Looking to draw fouls over and over again in the manner he does isn't good basketball.

[StrongLurk]

Did you even watch the game? Embiid wasn't even the second best player on his team tonight.

It's not about one game, it's about the season. Embiid was number 1 before the game so why wouldn't he be after if his team won?

28/12/3, 31.2 PER, 67.4 TS%, 8 BPM, number 1 seed.

But yeah, let's act like Embiid is doing anything this year :roll:

[TheGoatest]

It's not about one game, it's about the season. Embiid was number 1 before the game so why wouldn't he be after if his team won?

Not among the actual voters, but keep thinking that.

[StrongLurk]

Not among the actual voters, but keep thinking that.

28/12/3, 31.2 PER, 67.4 TS%, 8 BPM, number 1 seed.

Gee, the "voters" aren't even paying attention right now. But hey, let's ignore reality and lean on those voters who aren't even paying attention. Embiid stats/production this year are better than Lebron's for sure and his team just beat Lebron's team. Jazz will be the 1 seed out West now.

[fourkicks44]

I haven't seen Embiid play much this season but if this is what he's doing then he seems completely over rated imo. Looking to draw fouls over and over again in the manner he does isn't good basketball.

He leads the league in post ups and is shooting 83% from the free throw line playing Center.

He would be stupid not to try draw fouls.

[kawhileonard2]

Not among the actual voters, but keep thinking that.

Anthony Davis leads the Lakers in PER, BPM, Win Shares, WS/PER 48 minutes as well.

[dankok8]

If Kawhi and George miss a few more games due to Covid protocols, the Clippers will fall in the standings which will really hurt Kawhi's MVP chances.

[GOBB]

I haven't seen Embiid play much this season but if this is what he's doing then he seems completely over rated imo. Looking to draw fouls over and over again in the manner he does isn't good basketball.

Drawing fouls is what every nba player does today. Watch more basketball.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi returns tonight to continue his MVP campaign and go 10-0 when maskless.

Use the Orlando magic and Knicks as warm up games. Right before he puts his foot up Durant's ass on February 2nd.

[kawhileonard2]

Kawhi the best player in the league. Can't count Bubble. Jamal Murray and Donovan Mitchell had more 50+ each in one series than Lebron, Kobe, Dirk, Shaq ever had.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Yeah Kawhi for MVP but Embiid should get defensive player of the year and 1st team all nba.

[SATAN]

Drawing fouls is what every nba player does today. Watch more basketball.

Nothing I said was wrong, idiot.

[Axe]

Yeah Kawhi for MVP but Embiid should get defensive player of the year and 1st team all nba.
Yes, kawhi should win the mvp at the expense of a potential chip with the clippers.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Embiid has been eliminated, he's out with another random injury.

It's between Kawhi and Jokic now, clearly the top 2 favorite as I type this.

[Axe]

Embiid has been eliminated, he's out with another random injury.

It's between Kawhi and Jokic now, clearly the top 2 favorite as I type this.
Windhorst > Flaw

[fourkicks44]

Embiid has been eliminated, he's out with another random injury.

It's between Kawhi and Jokic now, clearly the top 2 favorite as I type this.


https://youtu.be/o31mThHf0m0

If that was Kawhi he would have sat out another 2 seasons with Uncle Dennis sitting on his dick.

[StrongLurk]

Kawhi and Embiid are still the frontrunners for MVP. Both having great seasons and are the 1 seeds in their conferences. Also both have played most of their games (16 for Embiid, 17 for Kawhi).

I'd say Lebron is still in third place followed by Jokic in 4th.

Again the season is early and being an MVP favorite does not mean you are the best player. Team record is always a big factor, as well as "narrative".

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi and Embiid are still the frontrunners for MVP. Both having great seasons and are the 1 seeds in their conferences. Also both have played most of their games (16 for Embiid, 17 for Kawhi).

I'd say Lebron is still in third place followed by Jokic in 4th.

Again the season is early and being an MVP favorite does not mean you are the best player. Team record is always a big factor, as well as "narrative".

Kawhi's clippers are currently the #1 team by net rating despite losing by 50 points in a game without him. If that's not an MVP, I don't know what is.

[Micku]

Imo, Jokic is playing the best.

But Kawhi and Embiid got the most success on their team.

It's definitely between those three. I can't believe how well Jokic and Embiid are playing tho. Like it's been a looong time since we seen big men play as good as this. Centers, not counting 4s.

Atm, Jokic is leading the league in the plus/minus stats. Having an career year. Could take it inside or out.

Embiid is having a career year.

Kawhi seems more focus this year and is playing great.

Good stuff.

[StrongLurk]

Imo, Jokic is playing the best.

But Kawhi and Embiid got the most success on their team.

It's definitely between those three. I can't believe how well Jokic and Embiid are playing tho. Like it's been a looong time since we seen big men play as good as this. Centers, not counting 4s.

Atm, Jokic is leading the league in the plus/minus stats. Having an career year. Could take it inside or out.

Embiid is having a career year.

Kawhi seems more focus this year and is playing great.

Good stuff.

Jokic has been the best player in the league so far.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Jokic has been the best player in the league so far.

Kawhi beat Jokic this season, kawhi is 11-0 without mask, kawhi is leading scorer and assist and defense player on #1 seed and #1 net rating in NBA.

Kawhi is MVP. Face it man and accept it.

[Axe]

Kawhi beat Jokic this season, kawhi is 11-0 without mask, kawhi is leading scorer and assist and defense player on #1 seed and #1 net rating in NBA.

Kawhi is MVP. Face it man and accept it.
The very same windhorst that kawhi choked to during the last wcfr :yaohappy:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Doc Rivers daughter choked on Paul George's dick and they couldn't co exist. Kawhi is still clear cut MVP this season

Thank you axe. That's what I was trying to tell strong lurk.

Kawhi also has the godly nba.com advanced stats right now at an over 16 net rating Hahahaha higher then any LeBron season ever including his 09 season! Wow

[Axe]

I have a deep fetish for kawhi's dirty dick.
:cheers:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/


Current Box score top 4 RAPTOR:

1. Kawhi Leonard - 10.3
2. Joel Embiid - 9.8
3. Mike Conley - 9.6
4. Nikola Jokic - 9.0

Kawhi is +1.3 over Jokic and that's even with his up and down play while wearing the mask. Kawhi without the mask has been far better then Jokic.

[GOBB]

Nothing I said was wrong, idiot.

You’re saying he’s overrated if he’s drawing fouls. That’s flawed logic which makes you wrong idiot. And once again you need to start watching games and stop lookin at box scores to form an opinion. Thanks

[StrongLurk]

Embiid with another massive performance in a win.

Also Kawhi played in ANOTHER back-to-back game and had a solid performance/win.

They are still leading the MVP race. Will be interested to see Lakers/Nugs tomorrow since Lebron and Jokic are 3/4 in the MVP race.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

LA Clippers are on pace to become the first team in NBA history to shoot 40% or better on three-pointers and 85% or better from the free throw line. No team in history has ever done 40% and 80%, respectively, in the same season. Kawhi Leonard is currently averaging 26-5-5 on 50-40-90. If he actually keeps that up, he'll be just the third qualified player in NBA history to ever do that over a full season. The others are Stephen Curry and Larry Bird (x2).

Sounds like Kawhi is possibly having the greatest offensive season of all time.

[Smoke117]

Sounds like Kawhi is possibly having the greatest offensive season of all time.

How much do you want to suck Kawhis dick? You are more insufferable than even Lebron fanboys

[PeroAntic]

Sounds like Kawhi is possibly having the greatest offensive season of all time.

Zach Lavine is posting the exact same stats and people think hes not even a star:oldlol:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Zach Lavine is posting the exact same stats and people think hes not even a star:oldlol:

Lavine is just doing it because he's on a terrible team. Kawhi is doing it in the flow of a GOAT level offense and he's the anchor of it all.

2013 Lebron: 125 offensive rating
2007 Steve Nash: 125 offensive rating
2006\2007 Dirk: 123 offensive rating
1991 Jordan: 125 offensive rating
2021 Kawhi: 128 offensive rating

[HBK_Kliq_2]

How much do you want to suck Kawhis dick? You are more insufferable than even Lebron fanboys

I'm just calling facts man and evaluating the game.

[Axe]

How much do you want to suck Kawhis dick? You are more insufferable than even Lebron fanboys
These pricks are all the same regardless of their fanbase lmfao

[PeroAntic]

Lavine is just doing it because he's on a terrible team. Kawhi is doing it in the flow of a GOAT level offense and he's the anchor of it all.

2013 Lebron: 125 offensive rating
2007 Steve Nash: 125 offensive rating
2006\2007 Dirk: 123 offensive rating
1991 Jordan: 125 offensive rating
2021 Kawhi: 128 offensive rating

His efficiency is also because hes on a terrible team? I thought its easier to be efficient on a good team.

anyway, Im not saying Lavine is an MVP candidate, but people saying hes not even a star is one of the most luducrious things this season. as you said, only Curry and Bird are in this terrirory (and now Kawhi too)

[ShawkFactory]

Sounds like Kawhi is possibly having the greatest offensive season of all time.

They've played 20 games. Stop.

[StrongLurk]

As an update, Embiid is still leading the MVP race.

I think we've got to consider Lebron at number two for now since the Lakers have passed the Clips recently.

List is probably:
1. Embiid
2a. Lebron
2b. Kawhi

No one else is really in the running but Jokic has been incredible and Curry has been amazing carrying bums, but they need to get their records better.

[Gohan]

I don’t even care Stephen is the best player in the league and it’s not close

[GOBB]

I don’t even care Stephen is the best player in the league and it’s not close

No just no.

[8Ball]

As an update, Embiid is still leading the MVP race.

I think we've got to consider Lebron at number two for now since the Lakers have passed the Clips recently.

List is probably:
1. Embiid
2a. Lebron
2b. Kawhi

No one else is really in the running but Jokic has been incredible and Curry has been amazing carrying bums, but they need to get their records better.

Embiid is NOT leading the MVP race.

Reporters that have MVP votes were polled, LeBron got 54 first place votes out of Embiid.

Kawhi has 153 points.
LeBron has 760 points. #1

[8Ball]

I don’t even care Stephen is the best player in the league and it’s not close

He only plays on 1 side of the court.

[Stephonit]

Stephen Curry broke the MVP award in 2016.

You can tell because the voters went away from following the general form of awarding it to the best player on the best team. In 2017 they awarded it to Russell Westbrook instead of the best player on the best team: Stephen Curry.

The MVPs selected ever since have been underwhelming and unconvincing. Curry and Durant were taken out of the conversation because playing together supposedly made them ineligible. Kawhi was injured or missing games. The MVP award invited bad juju upon itself with its phoniness and hypocrisy. Curry winning to make up for the snub he received in 2017 is the only way for it to restore balance that I see.

[StrongLurk]

Embiid is NOT leading the MVP race.

Reporters that have MVP votes were polled, LeBron got 54 first place votes out of Embiid.

Kawhi has 153 points.
LeBron has 760 points. #1

Lol the media is total bullshit with their list right now. You only want to eat that bullshit because Lebron is on the top.

I'm purely objective with no narratives or mob-bossing going on.

Lakers have a slightly better record but Embiid has certainly played better than Lebron this year.

Embiid: 31.2 PER, 66.6 TS%, 8.2 BPM, .286 WS/48
Lebron: 23.9 PER, 59.7 TS%, 5.9 BPM, .201 WS/48

[8Ball]

Lol the media is total bullshit with their list right now. You only want to eat that bullshit because Lebron is on the top.

I'm purely objective with no narratives or mob-bossing going on.

Lakers have a slightly better record but Embiid has certainly played better than Lebron this year.

Embiid: 31.2 PER, 66.6 TS%, 8.2 BPM, .286 WS/48
Lebron: 23.9 PER, 59.7 TS%, 5.9 BPM, .201 WS/48

I don't care what you think of the media. They are the ones voting. Media members vote, not the fans. So if the media has LeBron in the lead right now, then LeBron is the front runner. End of story.

LeBron - Better record, best player best team, best player in the game, better offensive team, better defensive team, played all the games. That's the criteria historically.

Slightly better record? Lakers are on a 63 win pace vs 76ers who are on a 56 game win pace. Big difference buddy.

[StrongLurk]

I don't care what you think of the media. They are the ones voting. And PER and TS was never a criteria for winning MVP. Look at Giannis PER last year and what happened to him in the playoffs.

LeBron - Better record, best player best team, best player in the game, better offensive team, better defensive team, plays more games. That's the criteria historically.

Slightly better? Lakers are on a 63 win pace vs 76ers are 56 game win pace.

Lol this whole post is a terrible argument. Mentioning Giannis is retarded because he did win MVP last year. Also Lebron is not the best player for this REGULAR SEASON.

Your whole argument is trying to focus on who is the best player, but MVP is not a best player award.

Again, the Lakers only have two more wins at this point. Meanwhile, Joel has handily been better than Lebron in the regular season this year.

Embiid: 31.2 PER, 66.6 TS%, 8.2 BPM, .286 WS/48
Lebron: 23.9 PER, 59.7 TS%, 5.9 BPM, .201 WS/48

[8Ball]

Lol this whole post is a terrible argument. Mentioning Giannis is retarded because he did win MVP last year. Also Lebron is not the best player for this REGULAR SEASON.

Your whole argument is trying to focus on who is the best player, but MVP is not a best player award.

Again, the Lakers only have two more wins at this point. Meanwhile, Joel has handily been better than Lebron in the regular season this year.

Embiid: 31.2 PER, 66.6 TS%, 8.2 BPM, .286 WS/48
Lebron: 23.9 PER, 59.7 TS%, 5.9 BPM, .201 WS/48

That has NEVER been the criteria to win the MVP award. You just mouthing off stats most of the voters don't give a shit about.

This is what determines the award. Collection of:

LeBron - Better record, best player best team, best player in the game, better offensive team, better defensive team, plays more games. That's the criteria historically.


Embiid has missed 20% of his games. Has a worst record. His team is inferior in both offense and defensive ratings.

Embiid is in the running, but not the front runner.

Deal with it.

[8Ball]

How insane is it to say Embiid is frontrunner in the race when the actual voters that determine the MVP were polled a few days ago say LeBron is ahead.

Actual Voters gave LeBron 600 more points than Kawhi Leonard and you put LeBron and Kawhi together.

Your list is garbage.

[8Ball]

Embiid averages 29/11/3

LeBron averages 26/8/8

Looks like LeBron is asked to do more for his team than Embiid does. LeBron is leading his team in scoring + setting up the offense.

Embiid has Ben Simmons doing half the work for him.

[StrongLurk]

How insane is it to say Embiid is frontrunner in the race when the actual voters that determine the MVP were polled a few days ago say LeBron is ahead.

Actual Voters gave LeBron 600 more points than Kawhi Leonard and you put LeBron and Kawhi together.

Your list is garbage.

Nick Wright just said on TV if you want to put Embiid at number 1 for MVP, he wouldn't argue too much. He legit just said it's Lebron/Embiid at the top and then listed Kawhi at third.

Pretty much exactly what I'm saying and Nick Wright is the biggest Lebron stan in the media.

To act like Embiid can't be argued as the leading MVP candidate is retarded.

Sorry, I'm not a sheep who just blindly listens to the sports media, who are notoriously biased and toxic.

[8Ball]

Opinion: Night Wright says Embiid #1 is okay for him.

Fact: 100 voting media members polled and had LeBron #1.

Deal with it.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Sportscenter guys and commentators are still calling luka doncic an mvp candidate when his team is 13th seed. So who the hell knows what's going on these idiots head.

But i agree with 8ball here, Embiid is not an MVP. The east sucks ass and we can't keep crediting guys for pounding on a sorry conference like we have with Giannis for last 2 years.

[StrongLurk]

Opinion: Night Wright says Embiid #1 is okay for him.

Fact: 100 voting media members polled and had LeBron #1.

Deal with it.

I'm not denying that the media has Lebron number 1, I just think Embiid has a better argument.

I haven't been convinced Lebron is clear-cut number 1 by anyone.

In fact, Embiid beat Lebron in their matchup earlier this year.

[TheGoatest]

I'm not denying that the media has Lebron number 1, I just think Embiid has a better argument.

I haven't been convinced Lebron is clear-cut number 1 by anyone.

In fact, Embiid beat Lebron in their matchup earlier this year.

First of all, if we're going by matchups, then Carmelo wipes the floor with Embiid in terms of MVP.

Secondly, Embiid didn't beat jack shit that game. He wasn't even the second best player on his team and was easily outplayed by LeBron from the opposing team.

[fourkicks44]

Opinion: Night Wright says Embiid #1 is okay for him.

Fact: 100 voting media members polled and had LeBron #1.

Deal with it.

I see your argument 8ball.

The media clearly wants LeBron to have the award, that is what the award is and LeBron is the front runner.

Interesting observation, however was that allthough LeBron polled more votes and more first place votes, it was Embiid that was the only player to be given votes by all 100 voting Media on their ballots.

1 media member left LeBron off their ballot

[8Ball]

1 media member didn't put LeBron #1 and gave it to Carmelo in 2013.

Shit happens in these voting contests.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

Kawhi is now #1 on the RAPTOR list on\off at 14.2

How I would rank my MVP voting this season:

1. Kawhi
2. Lebron
3. Jokic

Nobody else is an MVP.

[8Ball]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

Kawhi is now #1 on the RAPTOR list on\off at 14.2

How I would rank my MVP voting this season:

1. Kawhi
2. Lebron
3. Jokic

Nobody else is an MVP.

RAPTOR has Mike Conley at #4. Fred Van Fleet at #4?

Dog shit 538 stat that hasn't been accurate since conception.

[Xiao Yao You]

RAPTOR has Mike Conley at #4. Fred Van Fleet at #4?

Dog shit 538 stat that hasn't been accurate since conception.

Conley is the big difference between this years Jazz and last years with mostly the same roster so it says something

[AussieSteve]

Clippers are 15-3 with PG and Kawhii both playing.
Clippers are 1-1 with PG but no Kawhii
Clippers are 1-1 with no PG or Kawhii
Clippers are 1-3 with Kawhi but no PG

PG is the MVP of the clips so far.

[Axe]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

Kawhi is now #1 on the RAPTOR list on\off at 14.2

How I would rank my MVP voting this season:

1. Kawhi
2. Lebron
3. Jokic

Nobody else is an MVP.
Fraud mvp lmao

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Clippers are 15-3 with PG and Kawhii both playing.
Clippers are 1-1 with PG but no Kawhii
Clippers are 1-1 with no PG or Kawhii
Clippers are 1-3 with Kawhi but no PG

PG is the MVP of the clips so far.

2 game sample size for Paul George's games, so that's not fair. Clippers lost by 50 points in one of those games hahahah so Kawhi's "SRS" so to speak would be better.

Also, kawhi beats George in PPG, BPM, VORP, win shares, win share 48.

[AussieSteve]

2 game sample size for Paul George's games, so that's not fair. Clippers lost by 50 points in one of those games hahahah so Kawhi's "SRS" so to speak would be better.

Also, kawhi beats George in PPG, BPM, VORP, win shares, win share 48.

But Kawhi is 1-3 without PG?

[Akeem34TheDream]

But Kawhi is 1-3 without PG?

2 of those 3 losses were against Celtics by 4 points and Kings by 3 points and Beverley was also missing in them. The third loss was against Spurs and they lost by 3 points. They weren't blown out by Pistons you see. And there was the 50 point loss without Kawhi of course. A little context can help you a lot. If you dont watch games, at least take a look at the box scores lmao.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Embiid averages 29/11/3

LeBron averages 26/8/8

Looks like LeBron is asked to do more for his team than Embiid does. LeBron is leading his team in scoring + setting up the offense.

Embiid has Ben Simmons doing half the work for him.

I don't think Embiid should get all that much consideration for MVP right now considering his team is only the 4th best record in the league

[TheGoatest]

2 of those 3 losses were against Celtics by 4 points and Kings by 3 points and Beverley was also missing in them. The third loss was against Spurs and they lost by 3 points. They weren't blown out by Pistons you see. And there was the 50 point loss without Kawhi of course. A little context can help you a lot. If you dont watch games, at least take a look at the box scores lmao.

And his two wins without Paul George (real MVP of the Clippers) where against absolute JUGGERNAUTS, of course: Minnesota Timberwolves and Chicago Bulls
And since you mention the absence of Beverley in the Celtics game, which was in L.A. by the way, how about mentioning that the Celtics didn't have Jaylen Brown or Marcus Smart.

You're right, a little context does help. :oldlol:

By the way, everyone knows context is what counts in the W-L column. They don't simply look at how many wins and losses a team has when it comes to playoff spots, but Adam Silver and a bunch of guys have a meeting and analyze how close the teams' wins and losses were and award playoff spots based on this context.

[Akeem34TheDream]

And his two wins without Paul George (real MVP of the Clippers) where against absolute JUGGERNAUTS, of course: Minnesota Timberwolves and Chicago Bulls
And since you mention the absence of Beverley in the Celtics game, which was in L.A. by the way, how about mentioning that the Celtics didn't have Jaylen Brown or Marcus Smart.

You're right, a little context does help. :oldlol:

By the way, everyone knows context is what counts in the W-L column. They don't simply look at how many wins and losses a team has when it comes to playoff spots, but Adam Silver and a bunch of guys have a meeting and analyze how close the teams' wins and losses were and award playoff spots based on this context.

But see, I'm not actually arguing about the MVP race. That award goes to the one who has the best story. I'm just arguing against George being Clippers's best player this season, which is simply wrong. And when you try to make a narrative that "Lakers dont need AD and Clippers struggle without PG" opposition and reasons of players missing game matters. AD sat out against the worst teams in the NBA. He didn't sit because of some injury or covid, the reason was they didn't need him and wanted to rest him. Paul George is missing games because he is injured. This "1-3 without him" narrative is so stupid you know this too. I know you are a troll but have some common sense please.

[StrongLurk]

Embiid: 31.2 PER, 66.6 TS%, 8.2 BPM, .286 WS/48, ORTG 124
Lebron: 24.1 PER, 59.9 TS%, 7.2 BPM, .203 WS/48, ORTG 124

Embiid has better advanced stats than Lebron and is shooting WAY better than Lebron. Basically Lebron's advantage in the MVP race is based on team record/narrative which is very important.

Shooting Splits

Embiid: 3-10ft (42%), 10-16ft (54.4%), 16ft-3pt 63.6%. 3pt (38.1%)
Lebron: 3-10ft (40.8%), 10-16ft (37%), 16ft-3pt (33.3%), 3pt (39.1%)

[ZionDunks]

Jokic for me.

Tatum if the Celts had a real team. Mvp in the NBA has become such a weird thing

[Axe]

Jokic for me.

Tatum if the Celts had a real team. Mvp in the NBA has become such a weird thing
Regardless they are begging for lebron to win it over other players as usual

[TheGoatest]

Embiid is NOT leading the MVP race.

Reporters that have MVP votes were polled, LeBron got 54 first place votes out of Embiid.

Kawhi has 153 points.
LeBron has 760 points. #1

#1 on the poll LeBron with a 2-0 record and and #2 Embiid with a 0-2 record since that poll was published.
I wonder, who will be the next "Dear God, please ANYONE but LeBron" MVP the haters will be campaigning for. :oldlol: I'm starting to hear Damian Lillard's name get brought up.

[Xiao Yao You]

Justin Grasso: #Sixers Joel Embiid is questionable with back tightness for Monday’s game (https://*********.com/social/) vs. #Jazz Shake Milton is out, as expected
– via Twitter JGrasso_ (https://twitter.com/JGrasso_)


Big surprise from the so called MVP candidate! :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

https://stathead.com/basketball/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id1=goberru01&player_id2=embiijo01

Rudy has owned him so I'm not sure it's his back that is tight

[kawhileonard2]

Kawhi is the MVP. Can't give a 5th MVP unless the player has the best record in the league and/or led the league in scoring for the franchise that drafted them.

[fourkicks44]

Big surprise from the so called MVP candidate! :lol

The real surprise will be if he doesn't play.

[kawhileonard2]

Embiid is NOT leading the MVP race.

Reporters that have MVP votes were polled, LeBron got 54 first place votes out of Embiid.

Kawhi has 153 points.
LeBron has 760 points. #1

Dude is 14th in PER. No player won a 5th MVP without the best record in the league or led in scoring or top 5 in PER.

[StrongLurk]

Bumping this thread again.

Embiid is still obviously the leading candidate. Lebron is tumbling fast and hopefully the stans will grow up and except that the sports media simply WANTED Lebron to be the leading candidate in their polls.

Kawhi is still at number two in the race in my opinion.

[hold this L]

Bumping this thread again.

Embiid is still obviously the leading candidate. Lebron is tumbling fast and hopefully the stans will grow up and except that the sports media simply WANTED Lebron to be the leading candidate in their polls.

Kawhi is still at number two in the race in my opinion.

We still can't tell who is better on the Clippers, how is Kawhi so far ahead?

[k 96]

After last night's game, ESPN will have to figure out a better way to rig the next game in LeHypes favor.

[clipps]

After last night's game, ESPN will have to figure out a better way to rig the next game in LeHypes favor.

This retard might be on to something.

[RogueBorg]

no ad=no mvp

[BigShotBob]

https://i.ibb.co/ssH4m55/lakersadbran.png

[StrongLurk]

https://i.ibb.co/ssH4m55/lakersadbran.png

AD without Lebron would be losing these same games. They are both needed.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

https://i.ibb.co/ssH4m55/lakersadbran.png

He loses every game in regular season without Anthony Davis.

Also Anthony Davis led the title run in points and win shares.

Legrandpa is clearly a sidekick right now. His stat padding and espn's ass kissing just disguises it.

I still can't believe the media was trying to say LeBron was mvp this season, what a joke.

[SATAN]

3-13 for flopper Embiid :applause:

[tontoz]

3-13 for flopper Embiid :applause:


3 field goals and 6 turnovers not a good look for an MVP.

[fourkicks44]

3 field goals and 6 turnovers not a good look for an MVP.

Doubled and triple teamed every posession.

Sounds like the MVP to me.

[tontoz]

Doubled and triple teamed every posession.

Sounds like the MVP to me.


So he was double and triple teamed on every possession yet somehow had only 2 assists?:roll:

[fourkicks44]

So he was double and triple teamed on every possession yet somehow had only 2 assists?:roll:

I'm not gonna sit here and try to claim this was his best game ever as it clearly was not.

But the Raptors defense and game plan was on point. Credit to Nurse and the team for sticking with it and grinding it out.


Raps close out better than any other team and forcing Joel to pass out of the double and then getting the Sixers to pass up to 3 times to the open man is never gonna bring him any assists.

[tontoz]

I don't hate the guy. I just never got the impression he is all in on basketball. Great talent but even when he plays it seems to me like the effort frequently isn't there. Relative to other great players he just doesn't seem very committed.

When he was dancing at that concert when he was out with a knee injury that was telling. At this point he needs to play well for at least an entire season before I believe he has changed.

[Airupthere]

Would hate to have a big child in Embiid win MVP. I hope Kawhi wins it this year.

[Manny98]

I hate to say it but Embiid is leading the MVP race right now:facepalm