Joel Embiid is averaging 27.7 PPG on 67.4 TS%

[RRR3]

He’s doing this in only 31.6 MPG too. Peak Embiid has arrived and he’s terrifying.

[k0kakw0rld]

ok

[Marchesk]

Wondering how the Nets will defend him.

[3ball]

He’s doing this in only 31.6 MPG too. Peak Embiid has arrived and he’s terrifying.


27 ppg on 67% is amazing and otherworldly?.. no wonder the Cavs won in 2016:


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bf/ee/aa/bfeeaaadea68fd83b0e71565c9cfae67.jpg

[Mask the Embiid]

King of the East and now uses the Raptors and Celtics as a punching bag...No one in the East is safe anymore....The Doomsday scenario has finally hit the East


and we have someone from the Canis lupus dingo species family

[sixerfan82]

Wondering how the Nets will defend him.

Given the fact they let Cleveland hang 147 on them, I don't think they'll be defending him at all

[3ball]

Embiid-ball will get its doors blown off by jumpshots in the playoffs

Accordingly, many teams can beat him in the playoffs

He'd have more team success in prior eras like mini-Ewing

[SouBeachTalents]

Embiid-ball will get its doors blown off by jumpshots in the playoffs

Accordingly, many teams can beat him in the playoffs

He'd have more team success in prior eras like mini-Ewing
Just like people would be saying Oubre > Klay this season

[Marchesk]

27 ppg on 67% is amazing and otherworldly?.. no wonder the Cavs won in 2016:


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bf/ee/aa/bfeeaaadea68fd83b0e71565c9cfae67.jpg

Damn Wilt!

[3ball]

Just like people would be saying Oubre > Klay this season


I felt sorry for you guys

[Manny98]

Wondering how the Nets will defend him.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ljka4nBFuAI8/giphy.gif

[3ball]

Wondering how the Nets will defend him.


They don't need to - Embiid can go off all he wants

Their jumpshooting will blow the doors off his plodding scores

See the 2017 Finals, which was one of the least defensive series ever

Ultimately, only the super-hot shooting like career high Sexton (one-off) can beat a KD big 3

[CTbasketball92]

Embiid is so nasty man it's crazy. Glad he's having a year I was about to give up on him honestly. I do kinda think he's screwed without his Kobe.

[AirBonner]

Embiid is good but he always gets beat by a good jump shooting players. Celtics will make quick work of him

[HBK_Kliq_2]

And who do the nets expect to guard him in a playoff series? Jeff Green? Hahahaha

[GOBB]

And people think Jokic is better. Comedy

[AirBonner]

And people think Jokic is better. Comedy

Well Jokic is better

[ArbitraryWater]

And people think Jokic is better. Comedy

ya is

[NuggetsFan]

And people think Jokic is better. Comedy

Well ya Jokic is averaging 26/12/10 :oldlol: historic type shit atm.

The playoffs is where Jokic eclipsed Embiid anyways. Jokic raised his game two years in a row.

[tpols]

He does have incredible impact thus far in the season but Jokic still has a higher ORTG. And Embiid's is at a master level, but still lower.

[GOBB]

Well ya Jokic is averaging 26/12/10 :oldlol: historic type shit atm.

The playoffs is where Jokic eclipsed Embiid anyways. Jokic raised his game two years in a row.

Eclipsed? No. Just no.

[GOBB]

He does have incredible impact thus far in the season but Jokic still has a higher ORTG. And Embiid's is at a master level, but still lower.

Embiid is playing 4 mins less. So yeah OTRG. At some point you guys have to start putting knee stock into the eye test and stop studying stats.

[madmax]

Playing better than peak Shaq in his prime!:pimp:

[tpols]

Embiid is playing 4 mins less. So yeah OTRG. At some point you guys have to start putting knee stock into the eye test and stop studying stats.

ORTG has nothing to do with minutes played. It's efficiency not volume. It's easier to be more efficient when playing less than playing more so that isn't helping your case. Furthermore, the eye test tells me Jokic led his team to the Conference Finals while playing at a superstar level. Embiid has never done that even in a weaker conference.

[GOBB]

ORTG has nothing to do with minutes played. It's efficiency not volume. It's easier to be more efficient when playing less than playing more so that isn't helping your case. Furthermore, the eye test tells me Jokic led his team to the Conference Finals while playing at a superstar level. Embiid has never done that even in a weaker conference.

Weaker conference? U mean when the Toronto Raptors whom defeated the sixers won the chip? Oh ok.

OTRG has everything to due with possessions. You get more possessions the more you play. He plays more he sees more possessions. Do you know how ORTG is calculated? Like I said eye test. U never watched Jokic and said man he imposes his will offensively. That was Jamal Murray in the playoffs bud. You dudes kill me with these advanced stats to form your opinion on a player. I’m not saying dismiss all advanced stats but the fact you ran to ORTG says a lot.

[Uncle Drew]

And people think Jokic is better. Comedy

Comedy indeed, because who is better is no longer a point of discussion. It's Jokic. Somehow, the only ones failing to realise this support the Sixers, wonder why that would be. This is without Jokic' last game, in which he dropped 29/22.

https://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads9/600de637f0ab3/600de637e9fdc-Screenshot_2021-01-24_at_22.26.42.png

[tpols]

Weaker conference? U mean when the Toronto Raptors whom defeated the sixers won the chip? Oh ok.

OTRG has everything to due with possessions. You get more possessions the more you play. He plays more he sees more possessions. Do you know how ORTG is calculated? Like I said eye test. U never watched Jokic and said man he imposes his will offensively. That was Jamal Murray in the playoffs bud. You dudes kill me with these advanced stats to form your opinion on a player. I’m not saying dismiss all advanced stats but the fact you ran to ORTG says a lot.

What?

ORTG is simply successful possessions divided by unsuccessful possessions from an individual standpoint. If a guy plays less possessions, he has more energy to convert on each individual one. Which is why low usage players like DeAndre Jordan or Tyson Chandler used to have monster ORTG's.

Jokic and Embiid both play on super high volume. Jokic converts possessions with success at a higher rate. Period.

Two more things.

I never watched Jokic? That's absurd. I have comments littered in playoff Nugget game threads proving otherwise.

And the West hasn't been better than the East? You need to get your eyes checked pal.

[Uncle Drew]

Jokic is also comfortably leading any statistic divided by possessions and minutes.

https://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads9/600de9fb32d8c/600de9fb2c099-Screenshot_2021-01-24_at_22.43.11.png

[tpols]

Comedy indeed, because who is better is no longer a point of discussion. It's Jokic. Somehow, the only ones failing to realise this support the Sixers, wonder why that would be. This is without Jokic' last game, in which he dropped 29/22.

https://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads9/600de637f0ab3/600de637e9fdc-Screenshot_2021-01-24_at_22.26.42.png

:roll:

Jokic on an island.

Whose the guy in the bottom left corner? Damn. :lol

[Uncle Drew]

:roll:

Jokic on an island.

Whose the guy in the bottom left corner? Damn. :lol

Edwards, #1 pick of last years draft. Jokic gets even worse when you look at every advanced stat by itself. The lowest he ranks is 4th I believe, which was a defensive stat. Jokic is quietly 5th overall in steals per game this season, he is off the charts this year.

[NuggetsFan]

Weaker conference? U mean when the Toronto Raptors whom defeated the sixers won the chip? Oh ok.

OTRG has everything to due with possessions. You get more possessions the more you play. He plays more he sees more possessions. Do you know how ORTG is calculated? Like I said eye test. U never watched Jokic and said man he imposes his will offensively. That was Jamal Murray in the playoffs bud. You dudes kill me with these advanced stats to form your opinion on a player. I’m not saying dismiss all advanced stats but the fact you ran to ORTG says a lot.

I don't think Embiid is that far behind and he's a great player but you just sound like an idiot. Jokic doesn't impose his will offensively? Since he's been in the league he's near the top of the league in game winners .. as a C. I don't know what the current stats are but at one point in the past 2 years he was literally leading everybody. He's made All-NBA 1st team, finished 4th in MVP voting, and has lit up the playoffs in back to back years .. where Embiid's play has declined at times.

He's a 3 level scorer who can shoot from everywhere, can literally run the pick and roll as the ball handler as C or be the screener, he can make any pass. He carves people up inside. He's raised his game in the playoffs every year. Clutch as can be. He has great hands defensively, and great positioning, he's just not a shot blocker.

Joel Embiid averages 22.3 points on 44/29/79 shooting splits in 23 games. Jokic averages 24.7 points on 51/41/84 shooting splits in 33 games while having the better all around game. Eye test shows that which is why Jokic has been the consensus choice as the best C among fans, NBA GM's(just check there poll). Jokic is just harder to shut down. You double him and he racks up 10 dimes, single coverage and he eats you up. Look at what he did too Gobert and than the Clippers.

[Taurus]

Edwards, #1 pick of last years draft. Jokic gets even worse when you look at every advanced stat by itself. The lowest he ranks is 4th I believe, which was a defensive stat. Jokic is quietly 5th overall in steals per game this season, he is off the charts this year.

Everything the Timberwolves touch dies. Maybe with 3 more #1 picks they'll eventually make it back to the playoffs.

[GOBB]

Can’t stop laughing at these weak arguments for Jokic. Hilarious. Guy calls me an idiot then says Jokic is tougher to shut down. Said no one ever :oldlol:

[GOBB]

Call me when Jokic can dominate teams scoring the ball like Embiid.

[3ball]

Call me when Jokic can dominate teams scoring the ball like Embiid.


^^ big men dominating with scoring mattered more in prior eras before maximization of ORTG was discovered (3-point strategy and spacing)

So in today's game, Jokic's high assists with low time of possession facilitates a top 5 assist team with better 3-point looks, and better team ortg.. that's more valuable in today's mickey mouse format (3-point contest) than a big man dominating with scoring

[Xiao Yao You]

Call me when Jokic can dominate teams scoring the ball like Embiid.

call me when Embiid beats out Gobert for all league! :lol

[Smoke117]

Call me when Jokic can dominate teams scoring the ball like Embiid.

lol Jokic leads the league in OBPM right now with an absurd 8.5. He's also averaging 25.8ppg on 64%ts so it's not like Embiid has been way above him as far as scoring. With his playmaking (9.6apg) Jokic is clearly a higher impact offensive player than Embiid is. It also doesn't matter who is harder to shut down individually as this is a team game and game in game out Jokic is clearly the more impactful offensive player.

[StrongLurk]

Anyone who thinks Embiid is better than Jokic is ignorant. Jokic has had great playoff runs the last two years and his production/advanced numbers are a tier higher than Embiid's. If you want to deny these facts, then your words are worthless.

[Doranku]

For as much shit as you have given him this year, Kyrie is averaging 29.3 ppg on 64.5 TS%. :lol

[GOBB]

Anyone who thinks Embiid is better than Jokic is ignorant. Jokic has had great playoff runs the last two years and his production/advanced numbers are a tier higher than Embiid's. If you want to deny these facts, then your words are worthless.

You don’t know basketball like others.

[NuggetsFan]

Can’t stop laughing at these weak arguments for Jokic. Hilarious. Guy calls me an idiot then says Jokic is tougher to shut down. Said no one ever :oldlol:

I mean he is tougher to shutdown. He leads the Nuggets in points/apg as a C. You can't double team him like you can with Embiid. It's a toss up who you want inside. Embiid is bigger and more athletic, Jokic has better footwork/higher basketball IQ. Jokic is better at shooting the ball tho. Which is why Embiid averages 44% in the playoffs when D's crack down, and Jokic scores more on better efficiency.

It's not like it's just fans. NBA GM's voted Jokic the best C as well. All tho I'm guessing you think there idiots and that's comical too. I don't even think it's a huge gap. I also think it's underrated what C's are doing in today's era where everything is aimed towards making things easier for guards. Until Embiid shows out in the playoffs Jokic will remain the best C in the league tho.

[CTbasketball92]

^^ big men dominating with scoring mattered more in prior eras before maximization of ORTG was discovered (3-point strategy and spacing)

So in today's game, Jokic's high assists with low time of possession facilitates a top 5 assist team with better 3-point looks, and better team ortg.. that's more valuable in today's mickey mouse format (3-point contest) than a big man dominating with scoring

Yup. I think Jokic is actually a more proven, consistently dominant scorer than Embiid in a lot of ways. Jokic has elite post moves, a one-legged fadeaway it seems like he always makes, he's elite from midrange and can shoot threes. Really, he can do it all. There's a reason he's averaging 26 ppg on 65 TS% right now. Add in his elite passing ability, he can—and has been—the hub of an elite offense. He also brings his production to the playoffs. He needs an actual all-star teammate, Murray is way, wayyy too inconsistent and one-dimensional.

I could see arguing for Embiid as being better—I wouldn't say so because players that can take over games in the playoffs with scoring and passing are the rarest in the league, and they're generally better floor-raisers and can also be elite ceiling raisers—because he's an elite offensive and defensive player. I think he's more like a slower, less flexible AD, maybe somehow a better floor-raiser than AD, too.

[CTbasketball92]

To me, Jokic is a top-5 level player who happens to be top 7 because the league is so damn good.

After LeBron, KD, Giannis, Harden and Kawhi, Jokic is right there for me, right there with Luka. Embiid to me is generally a clear step down until he has a dominant playoff run and sustains this level for a whole year and change.

[light]

He’s doing this in only 31.6 MPG too. Peak Embiid has arrived and he’s terrifying.

His midrange jumper is more accurate this year.

I'm not actually sure that makes him more terrifying though. I'm kind of meh about it. We'll see what the playoffs hold.

[GOBB]

I mean he is tougher to shutdown. He leads the Nuggets in points/apg as a C. You can't double team him like you can with Embiid. It's a toss up who you want inside. Embiid is bigger and more athletic, Jokic has better footwork/higher basketball IQ. Jokic is better at shooting the ball tho. Which is why Embiid averages 44% in the playoffs when D's crack down, and Jokic scores more on better efficiency.

It's not like it's just fans. NBA GM's voted Jokic the best C as well. All tho I'm guessing you think there idiots and that's comical too. I don't even think it's a huge gap. I also think it's underrated what C's are doing in today's era where everything is aimed towards making things easier for guards. Until Embiid shows out in the playoffs Jokic will remain the best C in the league tho.

And I can find people who say Embiid or Durant are the leading MVP candidates thus far. So there goes that whole NBA gms nonsense. And since when we’re NBA GMS not idiots? Oh when you SELECTIVELY pick n choose what you want to quote them on? Solid. You act like whatever GMs u all of a sudden care to put stock into end the debate. Hilarious. Ever notice the Jokic supporters type the most? Defensively it’s not a debate. Offensively Embiid ability to score is scary. No one fears Jokic in that department. He shoots better yay. Does he put the ball in the basket and force teams to focus on him defensively? No. No one is afraid of Jokic on the low block with the ball. No one is watching Jokic dominate the game scoring. You’re just not. Like I said eye test. Stop running to these mysterious Nba GMs. Stop running to these advanced stats to paint a picture. Some things are simple like Embiid being better. Jokic finally received accolades last season. Embiid been had them. And is playing his best ball now.

[GOBB]

Yup. I think Jokic is actually a more proven, consistently dominant scorer than Embiid in a lot of ways. Jokic has elite post moves, a one-legged fadeaway it seems like he always makes, he's elite from midrange and can shoot threes. Really, he can do it all. There's a reason he's averaging 26 ppg on 65 TS% right now. Add in his elite passing ability, he can—and has been—the hub of an elite offense. He also brings his production to the playoffs. He needs an actual all-star teammate, Murray is way, wayyy too inconsistent and one-dimensional.

I could see arguing for Embiid as being better—I wouldn't say so because players that can take over games in the playoffs with scoring and passing are the rarest in the league, and they're generally better floor-raisers and can also be elite ceiling raisers—because he's an elite offensive and defensive player. I think he's more like a slower, less flexible AD, maybe somehow a better floor-raiser than AD, too.

The fact you think he’s an elite defender is hilarious. People just type anything nowadays. Much like Jokic being a dominant scorer. Hilarious.

Embiid avg over 20 his entire career. This is the only season he’s avg over 20ppg and he needs damn near 36mins to do it. Last playoff embiid avg 30ppg in the same amount of time as Jokic. What series did Jokic avg 30 in? The closest he probably came is the one where he damn near played 38-39mins.


Jokic could never do 27.7ppg in 31.6mpg. But hes a more dominant scorer than Embiid. Comical

[juju151111]

Use Playoffs and Jokic looks way better

[Wally450]

Good to know he's peaking now and he'll come down to earth once the playoffs get here again.

[Uncle Drew]

Use Playoffs and Jokic looks way better

Use basically any metric and Jokic looks way better.

[GOBB]

Use basically any metric and Jokic looks way better.

No. Use your eyes unless you have pink eye.

[Manny98]

Regular season :sleeping

[Uncle Drew]

Jokic.

[juju151111]

No. Use your eyes unless you have pink eye.

Who been better in the playoffs?

[GOBB]

Regular season :sleeping

30-12 last post season and the 2nd best player didn’t play

[GOBB]

Who been better in the playoffs?

Jamal Murray has been better than both. Next question

[NuggetsFan]

And I can find people who say Embiid or Durant are the leading MVP candidates thus far. So there goes that whole NBA gms nonsense. And since when we’re NBA GMS not idiots? Oh when you SELECTIVELY pick n choose what you want to quote them on? Solid. You act like whatever GMs u all of a sudden care to put stock into end the debate. Hilarious. Ever notice the Jokic supporters type the most? Defensively it’s not a debate. Offensively Embiid ability to score is scary. No one fears Jokic in that department. He shoots better yay. Does he put the ball in the basket and force teams to focus on him defensively? No. No one is afraid of Jokic on the low block with the ball. No one is watching Jokic dominate the game scoring. You’re just not. Like I said eye test. Stop running to these mysterious Nba GMs. Stop running to these advanced stats to paint a picture. Some things are simple like Embiid being better. Jokic finally received accolades last season. Embiid been had them. And is playing his best ball now.

I honestly feel like your trolling now. He's averaging 26 points and averages 25 points in 30+ playoff games. He's at the top of the league in game winners/clutch play. Arguably the best passing C of All-Time, or will finish as that. Yet teams aren't forced to pay attention him defensively? A guy that can make any play offensively? From bringing it up as the PG, to running a pick and roll as a ball handler/screener, being able to shoot anywhere on the floor?

[rawimpact]

The Joker is better and it's not even close. The eastern conference is the real joke here though.

[Xiao Yao You]

I honestly feel like your trolling now. He's averaging 26 points and averages 25 points in 30+ playoff games. He's at the top of the league in game winners/clutch play. Arguably the best passing C of All-Time, or will finish as that. Yet teams aren't forced to pay attention him defensively? A guy that can make any play offensively? From bringing it up as the PG, to running a pick and roll as a ball handler/screener, being able to shoot anywhere on the floor?

trolls troll

[RRR3]

trolls troll
You think Gobert is better than Embiid I wouldn’t talk if I were you.

[rawimpact]

I honestly feel like your trolling now. He's averaging 26 points and averages 25 points in 30+ playoff games. He's at the top of the league in game winners/clutch play. Arguably the best passing C of All-Time, or will finish as that. Yet teams aren't forced to pay attention him defensively? A guy that can make any play offensively? From bringing it up as the PG, to running a pick and roll as a ball handler/screener, being able to shoot anywhere on the floor?

Gobb is a homer with tunnel vision. He really believes the crap he types out which generally is a horrible take.
Just the other day he was talking about Simmons taking way more 3pt attempts to boost his confidence lol. Having the best coaches, best conditioners etc. etc. but it's the confidence that's the bottleneck right?

Simmons has made 10% of his 3pters first four years of his career (3/29 - that's not even joking, hes made 3 3pt field goals his whole career) - just to give you an idea, Shaq isnt much worse the first four years at 9% (1/11). Ben Simmons overall performance thus far has significantly worsened from his rookie year and im not just talking ppg but fg% as well.

[Xiao Yao You]

You think Gobert is better than Embiid I wouldn’t talk if I were you.


https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2020/09/16/30484633-6a6f-439e-9a24-760157b60fcd/resize/670x377/ee154180d7ffbcab45cb7c0fb03b8cd0/all-nba-teams.jpg

[RRR3]

Duh hyuk gyuk durr
:facepalm

[tpols]

:facepalm

He just ether'ed you pal.

[GOBB]

You think Gobert is better than Embiid I wouldn’t talk if I were you.

Rudy wishes he was. He might actually be worth his contract if he were

[Xiao Yao You]

Rudy wishes he was. He might actually be worth his contract if he werehttps://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2020/09/16/30484633-6a6f-439e-9a24-760157b60fcd/resize/670x377/ee154180d7ffbcab45cb7c0fb03b8cd0/all-nba-teams.jpg

[GOBB]

https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2020/09/16/30484633-6a6f-439e-9a24-760157b60fcd/resize/670x377/ee154180d7ffbcab45cb7c0fb03b8cd0/all-nba-teams.jpg

I don’t get it. Ben Simmons is on there. Ben > Rudy? I agree.

[Xiao Yao You]

I don’t get it. Ben Simmons is on there. Ben > Rudy? I agree.

Ben with half the votes of Rudy. The great Embiid nowhere to be found

[RRR3]

DURRRRRRRRRR.
Dude I know you’re SEVERELY mentally disabled but even you should know better than to argue Gobert over Embiid. Then again you have the intellect of a chipmunk.

[Manny98]

Allen destroyed Rudy and Embiid this season so....

[GOBB]

Ben with half the votes of Rudy. The great Embiid nowhere to be found

That’s cool. Still don’t see your point. That doesn’t mean Rudy > Embiid. Sorry. Maybe in a next lifetime when god blesses him with offensive ability

[GOBB]

Allen destroyed Rudy and Embiid this season so....

Call me when he can average over 14ppg in a season. Embiid does that in the first half

[rawimpact]

https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2020/09/16/30484633-6a6f-439e-9a24-760157b60fcd/resize/670x377/ee154180d7ffbcab45cb7c0fb03b8cd0/all-nba-teams.jpg

Where is Embiid?

12ppg scrub Ben Simmons who worked on his shot last four years and has only made 3 3pters in his career is ahead of Embiid? LOL

[Xiao Yao You]

Allen destroyed Rudy and Embiid this season so....

so he got traded to the Cavs as an afterthought. We know

[Xiao Yao You]

That’s cool. Still don’t see your point. That doesn’t mean Rudy > Embiid. Sorry. Maybe in a next lifetime when god blesses him with offensive ability

It means that the people that decide these things thought he was better than him last year. So you can act like it's completely ridiculous to think that but that is what others have decided.

[Manny98]

Call me when he can average over 14ppg in a season. Embiid does that in the first half
Yh and tell me when EmCripple plays over 70 games in a season. :oldlol:

Dude can't stay healthy for shit

[tpols]

It means that the people that decide these things thought he was better than him last year. So you can act like it's completely ridiculous to think that but that is what others have decided.

Yup... not an end all be all but when a guy directly makes an All NBA team over another at his position... probably means a case can be made and it's not an outlandish assertion. Embiid needs to catch Gobert before he can even think of matching up with the Master Jokic.

[Manny98]

Yh and tell me when EmCripple plays over 70 games in a season. :oldlol:

Dude can't stay healthy for shit
Oh look another DNP tonight for EmCripple

Sorry but you can't be MVP when you miss 15-20 games every year

https://i.postimg.cc/gjMthBcQ/Screenshot-20210126-002950.jpg

[RRR3]

Ttrolls is so stupid and incompetent at keeping his agendas in order it’s actually painful.

[AirBonner]

Jaylen Brown >>>Emchoke

[JohnMax]

His team is getting blown out without him

[GOBB]

It means that the people that decide these things thought he was better than him last year. So you can act like it's completely ridiculous to think that but that is what others have decided.

Flawed logic if I ever saw it. Ben Simmons > Jamal Murray then huh?

[GOBB]

Yup... not an end all be all but when a guy directly makes an All NBA team over another at his position... probably means a case can be made and it's not an outlandish assertion. Embiid needs to catch Gobert before he can even think of matching up with the Master Jokic.

Look another idiot spawned into the lobby. Free kills.

[GOBB]

So by logic Ben Simmons is currently better than Kevin Durant, Joel Embiid, Devin Booker, Brad Beal, Jamal Murray, Donovan Mitchell. Wait should I stop or keep going? :oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

Flawed logic if I ever saw it. Ben Simmons > Jamal Murray then huh?

If you say so. The fact is your favorite stiff was considered better than Embiid :lol

[8Ball]

Oh look another DNP tonight for EmCripple

Sorry but you can't be MVP when you miss 15-20 games every year

https://i.postimg.cc/gjMthBcQ/Screenshot-20210126-002950.jpg

Embiid missed 22% of the games so far. That's 18 games in a normal 82 game season.

That never translates into MVP. But media is desperate right now to crown someone inferior to LeBRON again.

[8Ball]

His team is getting blown out without him

Maybe he should have played to help his team win more games? That has value no? Just a thought before saying anything about mvp for embiid.

[Xiao Yao You]

Maybe he should have played to help his team win more games? That has value no? Just a thought before saying anything about mvp for embiid.

might help him make all league over a worthless stiff as well

[GOBB]

Maybe he should have played to help his team win more games? That has value no? Just a thought before saying anything about mvp for embiid.

Embiid is an MVP caliber player. Not many can say they are *cough*rudy*cough*. League has embraced this load management nonsense which will cost teams wins if not players individual accolades. All for saving them for the meaningful season called the playoffs. Im not a fan of it but it is what it is. Embiid will always be in the conversation but when season ends he will fall short because of games played. But he will make all nba at the very least 2nd team. He’s allergic to 3rd.

[rawimpact]

Damn another no show Embiid performance

Ben Simmons must've put up superstar numbers since his costar was out

oh wait, 11 pts 2 turnovers 4 PFs

What 29M gets you (For reference, AD gets 27M)

[GOBB]

Damn another no show Embiid performance

Ben Simmons must've put up superstar numbers since his costar was out

oh wait, 11 pts 2 turnovers 4 PFs

What 29M gets you (For reference, AD gets 27M)

Ben Simmons is a top 15 player. He was 3rd team all nba. I don’t make the rules I just follow them

[tpols]

Look another idiot spawned into the lobby. Free kills.

I offer you an objective analysis and am met with unbridled hostility. That's not cool, bro.

[GOBB]

I offer you an objective analysis and am met with unbridled hostility. That's not cool, bro.

You offered nonsense. No one would make an argument for Rudy over Embiid. You know it, I know it. The wacky Jazz fan knows it. Let’s cut the shit. The fact you think the all nba team represents who is better than another player without drawing some type of context is laughable to me. Ben Simmons is 3rd team all nba and yet if this topic didn’t exist and I made a post saying who Ben was better than? You and the other nitwit would be at my neck.

I have nothing against Rudy even defended dude (his contract) with that jazz fan who still felt a way to try and pretend like I attacked the non offensive ability big doofus. I don’t get some fans who are emotionally invested and jumpy because they feel their favorite players are being attacked.

I stand on what I said...bro

[Xiao Yao You]

You offered nonsense. No one would make an argument for Rudy over Embiid. You know it, I know it. The wacky Jazz fan knows it. Let’s cut the shit. The fact you think the all nba team represents who is better than another player without drawing some type of context is laughable to me. Ben Simmons is 3rd team all nba and yet if this topic didn’t exist and I made a post saying who Ben was better than? You and the other nitwit would be at my neck.

I have nothing against Rudy even defended dude (his contract) with that jazz fan who still felt a way to try and pretend like I attacked the non offensive ability big doofus. I don’t get some fans who are emotionally invested and jumpy because they feel their favorite players are being attacked.

I stand on what I said...bro

no one would make the argument but the voters that voted for Gobert over Embiid

[rawimpact]

3rd all team in the east???

LOL what an accomplishment. NBA equivalent to perfect attendance award for the Least coast.

[GOBB]

no one would make the argument but the voters that voted for Gobert over Embiid

Do you know why the voters did? Pretty sure it wasn’t based on “we think Rudy is a better player than Embiid”. It’s more to it and you know it. Why you refuse to acknowledge it? Perhaps you’re in a be petty mood.

[Xiao Yao You]

Do you know why the voters did? Pretty sure it wasn’t based on “we think Rudy is a better player than Embiid”. It’s more to it and you know it. Why you refuse to acknowledge it? Perhaps you’re in a be petty mood.

they think he had a better year. Pretty cut and dry. Maybe Embiid will prove he's better and get voted on it someday?

[RRR3]

Xiao has severe brain damage. Imagine thinking Rudy Toody Gobert is a superstar :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Xiao has severe brain damage. Imagine thinking Rudy Toody Gobert is a superstar :roll:

He's one of the best players in the league but many metrics. Doesn't put up the big numbers like those great winners Towns and Cousins though! :facepalm

[RRR3]

He's one of the best players in the league but many metrics. Doesn't put up the big numbers like those great winners Towns and Cousins though! :facepalm
I name 20 better players but ok.

[Xiao Yao You]

I name 20 better players but ok.

I'm sure you can but the advanced stats can't come up with 20 better

[RRR3]

I'm sure you can but the advanced stats can't come up with 20 better
No one cares about your cherry picked stats.


LeBron
Curry
KD
Harden
Kawhi
Giannis
Doncic
AD
Jokic
Embiid
Jimmy Butler
Paul George
Tatum
Lillard
CP3
Kyrie
Lowry
Bam Adebayo
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown
Beal
Trae Young
Kemba Walker
Hayward
Porzingis
Khris Middleton
Jrue Holiday
Ingram
Zion Williamson
Vucevic
KAT
Sabonis
Brogdon
Devin Booker

And I could name more.


Please tell me which players you're taking Toody over on that list.

[tpols]

You offered nonsense. No one would make an argument for Rudy over Embiid. You know it, I know it. The wacky Jazz fan knows it. Let’s cut the shit. The fact you think the all nba team represents who is better than another player without drawing some type of context is laughable to me. Ben Simmons is 3rd team all nba and yet if this topic didn’t exist and I made a post saying who Ben was better than? You and the other nitwit would be at my neck.

I have nothing against Rudy even defended dude (his contract) with that jazz fan who still felt a way to try and pretend like I attacked the non offensive ability big doofus. I don’t get some fans who are emotionally invested and jumpy because they feel their favorite players are being attacked.

I stand on what I said...bro

I don't think Gobert is better skill wise than Embiid at basketball, clearly he's not. But Gobert does have probably the highest defensive value in the league and his anchoring guarantees a team a high floor... pretty much auto playoff spot. The Jazz would be lotto without Gobert. They would be like last years suns Booker and Mitchell being equals. Embiid is injury prone, and can be a blackhole on offense at least in the playoffs. Gobert at this point is more reliable, but Embiid has more talent and a higher potential peak.

[Manny98]

No one cares about your cherry picked stats.


LeBron
Curry
KD
Harden
Kawhi
Giannis
Doncic
AD
Jokic
Embiid
Jimmy Butler
Paul George
Tatum
Lillard
CP3
Kyrie
Lowry
Bam Adebayo
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown
Beal
Trae Young
Kemba Walker
Hayward
Porzingis
Khris Middleton
Jrue Holiday
Ingram
Zion Williamson
Vucevic
KAT
Sabonis
Brogdon
Devin Booker

And I could name more.


Please tell me which players you're taking Toody over on that list.
Xiao overrates df out of Rudy but he's definitely better than the bolded players

[tpols]

No one cares about your cherry picked stats.


LeBron
Curry
KD
Harden
Kawhi
Giannis
Doncic
AD
Jokic
Embiid
Jimmy Butler
Paul George
Tatum
Lillard
CP3
Kyrie
Lowry
Bam Adebayo
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown
Beal
Trae Young
Kemba Walker
Hayward
Porzingis
Khris Middleton
Jrue Holiday
Ingram
Zion Williamson
Vucevic
KAT
Sabonis
Brogdon
Devin Booker

And I could name more.


Please tell me which players you're taking Toody over on that list.

Man you are dumb as shit if you think half the guys on that list are providing the impact Gobert brings.

As usual for you mate.

[Xiao Yao You]

No one cares about your cherry picked stats.


LeBron
Curry
KD
Harden
Kawhi
Giannis
Doncic
AD
Jokic
Embiid
Jimmy Butler
Paul George
Tatum
Lillard
CP3
Kyrie
Lowry
Bam Adebayo
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown
Beal
Trae Young
Kemba Walker
Hayward
Porzingis
Khris Middleton
Jrue Holiday
Ingram
Zion Williamson
Vucevic
KAT
Sabonis
Brogdon
Devin Booker

And I could name more.


Please tell me which players you're taking Toody over on that list.

most of them. If they don't play both ends and can't carry their team they aren't better than Rudy.

[RRR3]

Man you are dumb as shit if you think half the guys on that list are providing the impact Gobert brings.

As usual for you mate.
I don't I just threw out a bunch of names of the top 30 or so best players, I want to see where I thinks Gobert ranks.

[Proctor]

No one cares about your cherry picked stats.


LeBron
Curry
KD
Harden
Kawhi
Giannis
Doncic
AD
Jokic
Embiid
Jimmy Butler
Paul George
Tatum
Lillard
CP3
Kyrie
Lowry
Bam Adebayo
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown
Beal
Trae Young
Kemba Walker
Hayward
Porzingis
Khris Middleton
Jrue Holiday
Ingram
Zion Williamson
Vucevic
KAT
Sabonis
Brogdon
Devin Booker

And I could name more.


Please tell me which players you're taking Toody over on that list.
I'd take Gobert over CP3, Simmons, Trae, Porzingis, Ingram, but that's about it. Probably some you didn't add that I would take over Rudy though.

[RRR3]

most of them. If they don't play both ends and can't carry their team they aren't better than Rudy.
Fine I'll pare it down for you

LeBron
Curry
KD
Harden
Kawhi
Giannis
Doncic
AD
Jokic
Embiid
Jimmy Butler
Paul George
Tatum
Lillard
CP3
Kyrie
Lowry
Bam Adebayo
Jaylen Brown (taken another step this year)


Who is he better than on this list? Don't be shy, bold the names.

[tpols]

If you look at any advanced metric... any at all... pick one out of a hat, they show Rudy Gobert being top 10-15 in impact.

[Xiao Yao You]

tpols seems to have a clue

[RRR3]

If you look at any advanced metric... any at all... pick one out of a hat, they show Rudy Gobert being top 10-15 in impact.
Too bad that's never true in the playoffs. I thought you cared about the playoffs?

[RRR3]

tpols seems to have a clue
^Desperately dodging that list of 19 players I mentioend becuase he knows he'll get laughed at if he says Toody is better than any of them.

[Xiao Yao You]

Too bad that's never true in the playoffs. I thought you cared about the playoffs?

you have to get to the playoffs first. Your list of guys that have lots of hype and high ppg can't even make the playoffs for some strange reason

[tpols]

Too bad that's never true in the playoffs. I thought you cared about the playoffs?

His splits in the playoffs are amazing but when you're facing Jokic Nuggets, Harden/Chris Paul Rockets, and the Dynasty Dubs with Curry/Durant yea... he's gonna lose. That's who he's lost to in the playoffs. He's only lost to big time superstars since becoming a premier player.

[3ball]

Fine I'll pare it down for you

LeBron
Curry
KD
Harden
Kawhi
Giannis
Doncic
AD
Jokic
Embiid
Jimmy Butler
Paul George
Tatum
Lillard
CP3
Kyrie
Lowry
Bam Adebayo
Jaylen Brown (taken another step this year)


Who is he better than on this list? Don't be shy, bold the names.


CP3 is old

[Xiao Yao You]

^Desperately dodging that list of 19 players I mentioend becuase he knows he'll get laughed at if he says Toody is better than any of them.

I get laughed at all the time. Yet Rudy is a factor at both ends and has carried crappy teams unlike most of your guys

[tpols]

CP3 is old

If the Nets swapped Kyrie for Gobert they would win the title so easily it would make all of our heads spin.

[RRR3]

If the Nets swapped Kyrie for Gobert they would win the title so easily it would make all of our heads spin.
Damn, Bron won a title with a player worse than French Tyson Chandler as his sidekick :bowdown:

This is what I mean about you being too stupid to keep your agendas straight. In case you forgot, your agenda is to act like Kyrie is MJ.

[RRR3]

I get laughed at all the time. Yet Rudy is a factor at both ends and has carried crappy teams unlike most of your guys
Rudy is not a factor on offense, NBAGOAT already told you impact stats show this. You ignoring it because Rudy makes your privates tingle isn't my problem. Still funny how you couldn't single out any of those players.

[Xiao Yao You]

Damn, Bron won a title with a player worse than French Tyson Chandler as his sidekick :bowdown:

This is what I mean about you being too stupid to keep your agendas straight. In case you forgot, your agenda is to act like Kyrie is MJ.

you're the one touting the cancer better known as Kyrie as better than Rudy Gobert

[Proctor]

I get laughed at all the time. Yet Rudy is a factor at both ends and has carried crappy teams unlike most of your guys
"A factor at both ends" isn't saying much. That's certainly a push ahead of average and many "good" players but that doesn't make him an elite player. He's elite defensively. There's a difference. Tony Allen was an elite defensive player. He could even score the ball better than some would think. But his 9-11 PPG seasons don't make him a superstar because he can play both ends.

[Xiao Yao You]

Rudy is not a factor on offense, NBAGOAT already told you impact stats show this. You ignoring it because Rudy makes your privates tingle isn't my problem. Still funny how you couldn't single out any of those players.

best screener in the game. Arguably the best ever rim runner. Great offensive rebounder. A top 5 offense revolves around these skills while he carries a top 5 defense yet again.

[Xiao Yao You]

"A factor at both ends" isn't saying much. That's certainly a push ahead of average and many "good" players but that doesn't make him an elite player. He's elite defensively. There's a difference. Tony Allen was an elite defensive player. He could even score the ball better than some would think. But his 9-11 PPG seasons don't make him a superstar because he can play both ends.

Allen was a role player. Rudy has carried a crappy Jazz team. Their offense revolves around him

[RRR3]

This dude just said Toody Gobert was arguably the best rim runner ever. He said this in a league with Anthony Davis in it :roll:


And good god how retarded do you have to be to think the Jazz offense revolves around Toody?

By Xiao's imbecilic "logic" Mitchell Robinson and Steve Adams are elite offensive players.

[tpols]

Damn, Bron won a title with a player worse than French Tyson Chandler as his sidekick :bowdown:

This is what I mean about you being too stupid to keep your agendas straight. In case you forgot, your agenda is to act like Kyrie is MJ.

Tyson Chandler absolutely never put up the metrics Gobert has. Put your thinking cap back on mate and try real hard. Kyrie did go Wilt when it mattered most but he's proven to be too injury prone to have as a long term asset. Plus Nets need defense not more offense. You know... fit. Put the cap on. But when Kyrie won Cleveland the title, he wasn't injured. So... that's that.

[RRR3]

"A factor at both ends" isn't saying much. That's certainly a push ahead of average and many "good" players but that doesn't make him an elite player. He's elite defensively. There's a difference. Tony Allen was an elite defensive player. He could even score the ball better than some would think. But his 9-11 PPG seasons don't make him a superstar because he can play both ends.
He's far too stupid to get this. Either that or he's biased because he saw Rudy shirtless once and fell madly in love. No other explanation :lol

[RRR3]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BreakableDeliciousCapybara-size_restricted.gif
:roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

This dude just said Toody Gobert was arguably the best rim runner ever. He said this in a league with Anthony Davis in it :roll:


And good god how retarded do you have to be to think the Jazz offense revolves around Toody?

By Xiao's imbecilic "logic" Mitchell Robinson and Steve Adams are elite offensive players.

holds the record for dunks(not always kept so I said arguable). #2 all time in effective fg%and 2pt fg%. Davis doesn't even register in any of those stats. I remember just a few seasons ago when Davis wouldn't go anywhere near the rim when playing the Jazz! :lol

Watch a game. The offense starts with high screens from Rudy. His pressure on the rim opens up shooters. Without him they don't get all the open looks they get

[Proctor]

holds the record for dunks(not always kept so I said arguable). #2 all time in effective fg%and 2pt fg%. Davis doesn't even register in any of those stats. I remember just a few seasons ago when Davis wouldn't go anywhere near the rim when playing the Jazz! :lol

Watch a game. The offense starts with high screens from Rudy. His pressure on the rim opens up shooters. Without him they don't get all the open looks they get
Davis wouldn't attack Gobert at the rim, so Gobert is better! :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Davis wouldn't attack Gobert at the rim, so Gobert is better! :lol

Better rim runner sure. If you're afraid to go to the rim because you're too soft you can't be the best can you? For some reason the great Davis' Pelicans mostly sucked despite his greatness

[Proctor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaALYbKsXuw

[RRR3]

Better rim runner sure. If you're afraid to go to the rim because you're too soft you can't be the best can you? For some reason the great Davis' Pelicans mostly sucked despite his greatness
If you actually watched games you’d realize AD doesn’t just rim run cuz he’s an elite scorer who can hurt you from all over the court. The reason Rudy rim runs so much is because that’s literally the only way he can score besides putbacks :roll:

[Proctor]

If you actually watched games you’d realize AD doesn’t just rim run cuz he’s an elite scorer who can hurt you from all over the court. The reason Rudy rim runs so much is because that’s literally the only way he can score besides putbacks :roll:
:yaohappy:

He's in the same offensive class as Bismack Biyombo.

[RRR3]

:yaohappy:

He's in the same offensive class as Bismack Biyombo.
Biyombo is the ENGINE of the Hornets offense!


Check out this rare picture of Shew btw: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489899-This-clown-is-doing-everything-trump-is-doing/page3

[Proctor]

Biyombo is the ENGINE of the Hornets offense!


Check out this rare picture of Shew btw: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489899-This-clown-is-doing-everything-trump-is-doing/page3

:roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

If you actually watched games you’d realize AD doesn’t just rim run cuz he’s an elite scorer who can hurt you from all over the court. The reason Rudy rim runs so much is because that’s literally the only way he can score besides putbacks :roll:

I'm not the one that said he rim runned! :facepalm

The reason Rudy does it is because it's the most effective shot in basketball

[GOBB]

they think he had a better year. Pretty cut and dry. Maybe Embiid will prove he's better and get voted on it someday?

He’s been on 2 2nd team all nba teams. Thanks for the encouragement the goal for Embiid is first team. Not 3rd like Rudy. Rudy should probably prove he can score more than 12ppg in a season. Thank god for being a good screen setter.

[Xiao Yao You]

:yaohappy:

He's in the same offensive class as Bismack Biyombo.

yeah that's why Bismack's teams have been so good :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

He’s been on 2 2nd team all nba teams. Thanks for the encouragement the goal for Embiid is first team. Not 3rd like Rudy. Rudy should probably prove he can score more than 12ppg in a season. Thank god for being a good screen setter.

Don't know what his goals are. Just know that despite you saying no one but me could think Rudy is better the voters voted for Rudy and not the great Embiid for some strange reason

[RRR3]

Does dumbdumb Xiao not realize Embiid was higher on the All-NBA teams in 18 and 19 than Toody? Both years Embiid was second team. Toody was not on the team and 3rd, respectively.

[GOBB]

Don't know what his goals are. Just know that despite you saying no one but me could think Rudy is better the voters voted for Rudy and not the great Embiid for some strange reason

Maybe because he played more games than Embiid? Ever cross your mind? Of course not. You can’t see with those Jazz blinders on. 68 vs 51, quick maths. Real simple. Like Rudy not being able to carry a franchise as the best player/main option like Embiid has and does.

[Xiao Yao You]

Does dumbdumb Xiao not realize Embiid was higher on the All-NBA teams in 18 and 19 than Toody? Both years Embiid was second team. Toody was not on the team and 3rd, respectively.

So you're saying Embiid has peaked as Rudy continues to ascend to greater heights?

[RRR3]

So you're saying Embiid has peaked as Rudy continues to ascend to greater heights?
No I’m saying Embiid missed a lot of games last year.

This year

Embiid: 27.7/11.5/2.7/1.3/1.4 on 67.4 TS%, 8.0 BPM, elite on both ends

Gobert: 12.1/13.5/1.4/0.4/2.7 on 59.6 TS%, 2.0 BPM, elite on defense only



Dumbdumb Xiao: Gobert is better!





:yaohappy:

[Xiao Yao You]

Towns 3rd team in 18! Even though Rudy missed 26 games Towns should not have made a team. Where was Embiid in 2016-17?

[RRR3]

Towns 3rd team in 18! Even though Rudy missed 26 games Towns should not have made a team. Where was Embiid in 2016-17?
He played 31 games and was a rookie. Are you retarded?

[Xiao Yao You]

No I’m saying Embiid missed a lot of games last year.

This year

Embiid: 27.7/11.5/2.7/1.3/1.4 on 67.4 TS%, 8.0 BPM, elite on both ends

Gobert: 12.1/13.5/1.4/0.4/2.7 on 59.6 TS%, 2.0 BPM, elite on defense only



Dumbdumb Xiao: Gobert is better!





:yaohappy:

Actually playing games is part of the equation. Embiid can't be counted on. Rudy usually can be. He's had 3 injuries that kept him out for a month a piece over the past 5 years.

[RRR3]

Actually playing games is part of the equation. Embiid can't be counted on. Rudy usually can be. He's had 3 injuries that kept him out for a month a piece over the past 5 years.
Toody can’t be counted on to show up for the playoffs. He’s turned into French Biyombo every playoffs of his career :roll:

Keep bragging about the regular season though :yaohappy:

[Xiao Yao You]

He played 31 games and was a rookie. Are you retarded?

Being on the court means something

[Xiao Yao You]

Toody can’t be counted on to show up for the playoffs. He’s turned into French Biyombo every playoffs of his career :roll:

Keep bragging about the regular season though :yaohappy:

2 2nd rounds for Rudy and 2 for Embiid against worse competition and a better team around him. When will Embiid show up in the playoffs is the bigger question?

[RRR3]

2 2nd rounds for Rudy and 2 for Embiid against worse competition and a better team around him. When will Embiid show up in the playoffs is the bigger question?
Playoffs BPM

Embiid: 4.1
Toody: 2.5




Eeyikes.

[Xiao Yao You]

win shares per 48 Rudy .177

Embiid .133 and best .165

Rudy helps you win games. Embiid puts up some nice looking numbers!

[RRR3]

Win shares lol. This dude is living in 2014. No one uses that stat anymore. Poor Toody

[Xiao Yao You]

Win shares lol. This dude is living in 2014. No one uses that stat anymore. Poor Toody

It's out there so someone must use it. Winning is so 2014! :lol

[tpols]

I have MSG so I'll actually be able to watch Gobert tonight vs the Knicks. Gonna take a closer look at this underrated prospect.

[Proctor]

yeah that's why Bismack's teams have been so good :lol
Keep moving the goalposts. Gobert being offensively equivalent to Biyombo is a topic completely separate from team success. Gobert certainly has never carried a team offensively. He's not even close enough to being able to do that for it to be a conversation. Sorry, put backs and second possessions don't constitute carrying. They don't make him any better than Tyson Chandler. Again, he is Bismack's level offensively. Rim running, dunks, put backs, high FG%...everything you hold near and dear. Great. Congratulations.

The Xiao technique = focus on the mundane things any effective 7'0 center should be sufficient at (the ones that Gobert is very good at, and ignore everything Gobert isn't)...when told that doesn't make him an elite player, shift to advanced metrics...abort...voters...abort...FG% and rim running...:roll:

[RRR3]

Keep moving the goalposts. Gobert being offensively equivalent to Biyombo is a topic completely separate from team success. Gobert certainly has never carried a team offensively. He's not even close enough to being able to do that for it to be a conversation. Sorry, put backs and second possessions don't constitute carrying. They don't make him any better than Tyson Chandler. Again, he is Bismack's level offensively. Rim running, dunks, put backs, high FG%...everything you hold near and dear. Great. Congratulations.

The Xiao technique = focus on the mundane things any effective 7'0 center should be sufficient at (the ones that Gobert is very good at, and ignore everything Gobert isn't)...when told that doesn't make him an elite player, shift to advanced metrics...abort...voters...abort...FG% and rim running...:roll:


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Keep moving the goalposts. Gobert being offensively equivalent to Biyombo is a topic completely separate from team success. Gobert certainly has never carried a team offensively. He's not even close enough to being able to do that for it to be a conversation. Sorry, put backs and second possessions don't constitute carrying. They don't make him any better than Tyson Chandler. Again, he is Bismack's level offensively. Rim running, dunks, put backs, high FG%...everything you hold near and dear. Great. Congratulations.

The Xiao technique = focus on the mundane things any effective 7'0 center should be sufficient at (the ones that Gobert is very good at, and ignore everything Gobert isn't)...when told that doesn't make him an elite player, shift to advanced metrics...abort...voters...abort...FG% and rim running...:roll:

Bismack has never been in the leaders of any offensive categories besides offensive rebounds and offensive rebound % while Rudy has been dominating those stats for years. My technique is to watch a guy take a crappy team to good overnight and keep them there for 6 plus years. The stats just back up the eye test. Why should he be penalized for doing the mundane things that he is elite at and others don't do when they are some of the most important things that lead to winning games? He's one of the best but tell me again about all that winng that Trae Young, Booker, Towns, Cousins etc have been doing with their great skills! :facepalm

[Proctor]

Bismack has never been in the leaders of any offensive categories besides offensive rebounds and offensive rebound % while Rudy has been dominating those stats for years. My technique is to watch a guy take a crappy team to good overnight and keep them there for 6 plus years. The stats just back up the eye test. Why should he be penalized for doing the mundane things that he is elite at and others don't do when they are some of the most important things that lead to winning games? He's one of the best but tell me again about all that winng that Trae Young, Booker, Towns, Cousins etc have been doing with their great skills! :facepalm
Sorry, but the bolded never happened no matter how many times you toss it around. Gobert is a piece of the puzzle, an important one, but that doesn't make him the puzzle itself. That Gobert came in at a down time for the Jazz doesn't make them sewer scum as you'll make it sound...those would be the teams/franchises that guys like Biyombo have played for.

Jokic and Vucevic have done far more carrying than Gobert is capable of. Orlando has no business being competitive or sneaking into the playoffs in any conference in any year.

Your real point is that Gobert is elite defensively and at a few things offensively and it helps his team and translates to winning. That's great, but there are 20 other guys in the league who are elite on one side of the ball and passable on the other. That does not make an elite player by itself, no matter how many times you spout off obscure metrics that sound good or cite when player X was too afraid to go up against 7'0 shotblocking Rudy at the rim.

[Xiao Yao You]

Sorry, but the bolded never happened no matter how many times you toss it around. Gobert is a piece of the puzzle, an important one, but that doesn't make him the puzzle itself. That Gobert came in at a down time for the Jazz doesn't make them sewer scum as you'll make it sound...those would be the teams/franchises that guys like Biyombo have played for.

Jokic and Vucevic have done far more carrying than Gobert is capable of. Orlando has no business being competitive or sneaking into the playoffs in any conference in any year.

Your real point is that Gobert is elite defensively and at a few things offensively and it helps his team and translates to winning. That's great, but there are 20 other guys in the league who are elite on one side of the ball and passable on the other. That does not make an elite player by itself, no matter how many times you spout off obscure metrics that sound good or cite when player X was too afraid to go up against 7'0 shotblocking Rudy at the rim.

on Dec. 16th, 2014 they were tanking with a 6-19 record including a 9 game losing streak when their backup center suddenly emerged as their best player to everyone's surprise. They had the 6th best record in the league after they traded Kanter and put him in the starting lineup. There were many pieces that led to them sucking before he started to carry the team. It happened. I was there. With Biyombo they could have tanked properly and who knows where they'd be now. He ****ed it all up!

[Proctor]

on Dec. 16th, 2014 they were tanking with a 6-19 record including a 9 game losing streak when their backup center suddenly emerged as their best player to everyone's surprise. They had the 6th best record in the league after they traded Kanter and put him in the starting lineup. There were many pieces that led to them sucking before he started to carry the team. It happened. I was there. With Biyombo they could have tanked properly and who knows where they'd be now. He ****ed it all up!

:lol :lol :lol

Ok, so RRR3 was right that this is a boy crush thing for you.

There is a difference between carrying for a stretch and carrying for your entire career. Gobert isn't carrying anything the last couple years.

[Xiao Yao You]

:lol :lol :lol

Ok, so RRR3 was right that this is a boy crush thing for you.

There is a difference between carrying for a stretch and carrying for your entire career. Gobert isn't carrying anything the last couple years.

the next year while the team was still trying to tank despite that finish they just missed the playoffs because he got hurt. The following year they finally got him some help and went to the 2nd round. THe next year they lost Hayward, added Ricky and put Favors and Hood back in the starting lineup and still made it to the 2nd round again despite him getting hurt! Another year of that crap and he got them in yet again. Last year with little help defensively he still got them in. He's the one carrying them. This year he finally has Conley to help carry the load and they are playing at an elite level for some strange reason?

[RRR3]

:lol :lol :lol

Ok, so RRR3 was right that this is a boy crush thing for you.

There is a difference between carrying for a stretch and carrying for your entire career. Gobert isn't carrying anything the last couple years.
Can you imagine he was the Jazz coach? Nothing but Gobert post ups. Eeeyuck!

[Manny98]

win shares per 48 Rudy .177

Embiid .133 and best .165

Rudy helps you win games. Embiid puts up some nice looking numbers!
Jarrett Allen is beating Rudy in both win shares per 48 and win shares this season, and has outplayed Rudy and Embiid

So it's safe to say that Allen is currently the second best center behind Jokic :applause:

[Xiao Yao You]

Can you imagine he was the Jazz coach? Nothing but Gobert post ups. Eeeyuck!

why would you post up the best rim runner?

[Xiao Yao You]

Jarrett Allen is beating Rudy in both win shares per 48 and win shares this season, and has outplayed Rudy and Embiid

So it's safe to say that Allen is currently the second best center behind Jokic :applause:

playoff win shares. Get back to us when your Cavs are in the playoffs

[tpols]

Jarrett Allen is beating Rudy in both win shares per 48 and win shares this season, and has outplayed Rudy and Embiid

So it's safe to say that Allen is currently the second best center behind Jokic :applause:

Jarrett Allen is legit.

I can't believe the Nets had to let him go. Kyrie's dissapearance really screwed us since it tanked his trade value. He started the season off great, and if he could've done it for just a game or two more, I think other teams would've accepted him in a deal. Part of me thinks that he sat out purposely because he thought he would be traded and did it as a way to make him undesirable to potential suitors. No other way to explain sitting out and missing out on 1 million dollars, with no injury or explanation.

[Xiao Yao You]

Jarrett Allen is legit.

I can't believe the Nets had to let him go. Kyrie's dissapearance really screwed us since it tanked his trade value. He started the season off great, and if he could've done it for just a game or two more, I think other teams would've accepted him in a deal. Part of me thinks that he sat out purposely because he thought he would be traded and did it as a way to make him undesirable to potential suitors. No other way to explain sitting out and missing out on 1 million dollars, with no injury or explanation.

his trade value was probably already low based on his past. He did explain it. Personal :lol

[Manny98]

Jarrett Allen is legit.

I can't believe the Nets had to let him go. Kyrie's dissapearance really screwed us since it tanked his trade value. He started the season off great, and if he could've done it for just a game or two more, I think other teams would've accepted him in a deal. Part of me thinks that he sat out purposely because he thought he would be traded and did it as a way to make him undesirable to potential suitors. No other way to explain sitting out and missing out on 1 million dollars, with no injury or explanation.

He's better than Gobert on a 100× more affordable contract

Huge loss, honestly i would rather have Jarrett Allen over Harden on this team

Harden is a top 7 player on the planet but the fit with him, Kyrie + KD is terrible

From the games I have watched Hardens ability to play without the basketball is absolutely horrendous. If he doesn't have the ball in his hands he's completely ineffective