Le41% From 3 this season....Jordan could neva

[Im so nba'd out]

:(:(


#LeBrady

[Kiddlovesnets]

MJ's era didnt require him to shoot 3s, he would have easily shot 44-45% from beyond the arc if he played in this era. Everything Lebron does enough well, MJ can do at least a little better.

[AirBonner]

MJ's era didnt require him to shoot 3s, he would have easily shot 44-45% from beyond the arc if he played in this era. Everything Lebron does enough well, MJ can do at least a little better.

No he wouldn’t

[LoneyROY7]

MJ's era didnt require him to shoot 3s, he would have easily shot 44-45% from beyond the arc if he played in this era. Everything Lebron does enough well, MJ can do at least a little better.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe could never

[ArbitraryWater]

MJ's era didnt require him to shoot 3s, he would have easily shot 44-45% from beyond the arc if he played in this era. Everything Lebron does enough well, MJ can do at least a little better.


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fcking christ whats wrong with people

[jmcwilliams]

MJ's era didnt require him to shoot 3s, he would have easily shot 44-45% from beyond the arc if he played in this era. Everything Lebron does enough well, MJ can do at least a little better.

Since when was an extra point required? Sounds like something you would just want to try and get. Get off them Nuts. Jordan cant walk strait with you hanging around down there.

[TheGoatest]

MJ's era didnt require him to shoot 3s, he would have easily shot 44-45% from beyond the arc if he played in this era.

But he did shoot nearly 44% from beyond the arc in his own era. Except it was on the shortened, pee-wee 3 point line. As soon as the NBA went back to the normal 3 point line, he immediately shot .238. Why? The explanation is quite simple: Jordan had the range for the pee-wee 3 point line the league used between 1994 and 1997. He did not have the range for the 3 point line for the normal, grown up 3 point line.

LeBron's shooting from near half-court logos > Jordan's shooting just behind the normal 3 point line.

[Spurs m8]

MJ's era didnt require him to shoot 3s, he would have easily shot 44-45% from beyond the arc if he played in this era. Everything Lebron does enough well, MJ can do at least a little better.

Exactly.

These bird brain stans know it.

It's amazing how Jordans been retired so long, but still triggers all these losers on the daily hahaha

You know they lay in bed thinking of MJ...its so strange lol

If they moved out of moms place, they could maybe get a life and realise there's more to life than a basketball player hahah

They might even have sex one day

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[Axe]

Since when was an extra point required? Sounds like something you would just want to try and get. Get off them Nuts. Jordan cant walk strait with you hanging around down there.
Wrong dup ;)

[warriorfan]

MJ's era didnt require him to shoot 3s, he would have easily shot 44-45% from beyond the arc if he played in this era. Everything Lebron does enough well, MJ can do at least a little better.

It’s true. MJ literally didn’t even practice it his whole career.

LeBron is a 73% career FT shooter.

Jordan is a 84% career FT shooter.

Now look at their midrange game...

You have to be a complete moron to think that LeBron is anywhere on MJ’s level of shooting.

If MJ grew up in this era he would be a much better 3 point shooter than LeBron.

As of now LeBron’s career 3 point percentage is 34%....

Jordan’s is 33%....


Safe to say if Jordan was in this era he would have been a much more successful 3 point shooter than LeBron.

[dankok8]

Among most of the the biggest perimeter stars in this era like Steph, KD, Kawhi, Harden... Lebron is clearly the worst 3pt shooter. In fact for his career he's below league average. Imagine raving about Lebron as a 3pt shooter. He had a crazy shooting night tonight for sure but yea... pump the brakes.

[kawhileonard2]

Jordan shot 43% from three with fans in the arena. Lebron is shooting worse with no fans.

[TheGoatest]

LeBron's era doesn't require him to shoot free throws. He would've easily shot 94-95% from the free throw line in the 80s/90s.

[Kings2024Champs]

LeBron's era doesn't require him to shoot free throws. He would've easily shot 94-95% from the free throw line in the 80s/90s.

This :cheers:

[Tobio-Star]

Like I said, if we dont consider legacy Baldan is nothing next to LeGOAT.

[Axe]

Like I said, if we dont consider legacy Baldan is nothing next to LeGOAT.
If everybody knows he's nothing then wtf are they still talking about him

[SATAN]

Like I said, if we dont consider legacy Baldan is nothing next to LeGOAT.

MJ would be lucky to get 1 chip if LeBron were roaming the league in the 80s-90s.

[TheGoatest]

MJ would be lucky to get 1 chip if LeBron were roaming the league in the 80s-90s.

He would be lucky to get 1 chip if all the great Lakers/Celtics/Pistons teams from the 80s didn't all get washed by the time the 90s kicked in, but that's another story.

[madmax]

MJ would be lucky to get 1 chip if LeBron were roaming the league in the 80s-90s.

truer words have never been uttered!:applause:

[Kiddlovesnets]

MJ would be lucky to get 1 chip if LeBron were roaming the league in the 80s-90s.

Imagine how many runnerups Lebron would've gotten if he played in MJ's era, or conference finals losses if they both played in the East. It would have easily surpassed Baylor and West, I see maybe 10.
:cry:

[SATAN]

Imagine how many runnerups Lebron would've gotten if he played in MJ's era, or conference finals losses if they both played in the East. It would have easily surpassed Baylor and West, I see maybe 10.
:cry:

Haha yeah man but seriously... Michael would have been known as the "1-15" guy with cool highlights at best. This is disregarding if LeBron went in the dunk or 3 point comp and kicked his ass there too. I'm being lenient as to not upset the stans here but it's time to face the facts.

MJ's legacy would be similar to Wilkins in a league with LeBron lurking. No denying it.

[theballerFKA Ace]

Anyone with a brain can realize Jordan would have been a better 3 point shooter in this era yhan Lebron judging by the massive gap in FT%. Keep in mind Lebron didn't shoot over 34% for his first 9 years until Curry paved the way 3 point shooters to start serious volume from beyond the arc. Lebron should get down on his knees and thank Curry every day for creating an era where not only can he keep scoring at high volume in advanced age but maintain his overall longevity as well.

[Airupthere]

I'm sure MJ could average that in a practice league. No fans, no pressure.

[TheGoatest]

I'm sure MJ could average that in a practice league. No fans, no pressure.

Or he would shoot even worse than his already poor 3pt%, considering the fact that the fans were sucking him off wherever he went and ignored the fact that he was a degenerate gambler.

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fcking christ whats wrong with people

Wilt would sky hook 50% from three based on video evidence.

[3ball]

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fcking christ whats wrong with people


Anyone can shoot 40% if you're avoiding all contested jumpers

If lebron can shoot 40% by lulling defenders to sleep for open threes, then Jordan could too.. anyone could tbh..

Only a superstar like AD allows lebron to get away with his plodding, suboptimal "lulling" technique

[light]

MJ's era didnt require him to shoot 3s, he would have easily shot 44-45% from beyond the arc if he played in this era. Everything Lebron does enough well, MJ can do at least a little better.

"he would have easily shot 45%" :oldlol:

LeBron is better than Jordan at almost everything. Well, if "everything" is a list of 1000 things, LeBron would be better than Jordan at 950 of them.

[Gudo]

"he would have easily shot 45%" :oldlol:

LeBron is better than Jordan at almost everything. Well, if "everything" is a list of 1000 things, LeBron would be better than Jordan at 950 of them.

45% from 3 is outrageous for Jordan. MJ would likely have improved his 3pt% but I think he would have taken advantage of the open lanes more. 3pt shooting would not have been his focal point.

[Kiddlovesnets]

LeBron is better than Jordan at almost everything.

Nah its the opposite, MJ is better than Lebron at everything, except for rebounding but its not needed for a guard anyway.

[Manny98]

Anyone can shoot 40% if you're avoiding all contested jumpers

If lebron can shoot 40% by lulling defenders to sleep for open threes, then Jordan could too.. anyone could tbh..

Only a superstar like AD allows lebron to get away with his plodding, suboptimal "lulling" technique
Jordan struggled to hit from 3 wide open as well, career 28% without a shortened line

It's ok Jordan doesn't have to be the GOAT at everything, he was a mediocre 3 point shooter just accept it, he's not going to magically turn into Steph Curry if he played today

https://youtu.be/jsjukb2NttM

[Manny98]

Nah its the opposite, MJ is better than Lebron at everything, except for rebounding but its not needed for a guard anyway.

MJ is a better passer than Lebron?:biggums:

[light]

Nah its the opposite, MJ is better than Lebron at everything, except for rebounding but its not needed for a guard anyway.

Jordan was not a better center or power forward or point guard or small forward. LeBron is better than Jordan at all of those positions and most of them by an enormous margin.

Jordan was definitely not a better passer or a better three point shooter or a better leader or a better play caller - and he had a lower IQ.

[kawhileonard2]

Nah its the opposite, MJ is better than Lebron at everything, except for rebounding but its not needed for a guard anyway.

This

[kawhileonard2]

MJ is a better passer than Lebron?:biggums:

When MJ passes the guy hits the shot when Lebron passes the guy misses the shot. So the passes MJ gives helps the guy with confidence in making the shot.

[MaxPlayer]

When MJ passes the guy hits the shot when Lebron passes the guy misses the shot. So the passes MJ gives helps the guy with confidence in making the shot.

LeBron averages 40% more assists per game over his career, so you sound like a retard (no offense)

[3ball]

LeBron averages 40% more assists per game over his career, so you sound like a retard (no offense)


Lebron only averaged 1.5 more assists in the playoffs despite being the biggest ball-dominator ever (this is statistical fact - various series show lebron with 30% more hold-time than harden's highest)

So lebron is a suboptimal passer that results in lower team assists and team offense then Jordan

In addition to dominating the ball more than anyone ever, lebron has a lower scoring load, higher turnovers, and doesn't create assists by being an assist TARGET..

Otoh, Jordan was a skilled off-ball player and assist target, thereby creating more assists overall as a passer and target.

[light]

Lebron only averaged 1.5 more assists in the playoffs despite being the biggest ball-dominator ever (this is statistical fact - various series show lebron with 30% more hold-time than harden's highest)

So lebron is a suboptimal passer that results in lower team assists and team offense then Jordan

In addition to dominating the ball more than anyone ever, lebron has a lower scoring load, higher turnovers, and doesn't create assists by being an assist TARGET..

Otoh, Jordan was a skilled off-ball player and assist target, thereby creating more assists overall as a passer and target.

When comparing how their offenses are run and assists you are comparing LeBron versus Pippen and Jordan, not just LeBron and Jordan.

In fact, most of the GOAT argument for LeBron vs Jordan is actually LeBron vs Pippen and Jordan. Pippen held more leadership responsibilities than Jordan on offense and Pippen was also was their defensive leader.

Jordan told you a million times already that you cannot bring him up without bringing up Pippen. They are intertwined and cannot be separated.

[3ball]

When comparing how their offenses are run and assists you are comparing LeBron versus Pippen and Jordan, not just LeBron and Jordan.

In fact, most of the GOAT argument for LeBron vs Jordan is actually LeBron vs Pippen and Jordan. Pippen held more leadership responsibilities than Jordan on offense and Pippen was also was their defensive leader.

Jordan told you a million times already that you cannot bring him up without bringing up Pippen. They are intertwined and cannot be separated.


Kyrie and Wade average more assists than Pippen

But they averaged less alongside lebron because lebron reduces everyone's assists

Nonetheless, they averaged about the same assists alongside lebron as Pippen did

So you're wrong - Kyrie and Wade average more assists than Pippen and are superior playmakers

[light]

Kyrie and Wade average more assists than Pippen

But they averaged less alongside lebron because lebron reduces everyone's assists

Nonetheless, they averaged about the same assists alongside lebron as Pippen did

So you're wrong - Kyrie and Wade average more assists than Pippen and are superior playmakers

Kyrie and Heatles Wade didn't lead their teams to 6 championships. Pippen did.

[Axe]

Kyrie and Heatles Wade didn't lead their teams to 6 championships. Pippen did.
So pippen used to play for the heat and the cavaliers back then? Ah ok.

[3ball]

What's lebron's volume this year?

I bet Jordan averaged over 40% shooting in games where he takes 4+ attempts, and his percentage likely increases with attempts

I started to do the numbers and found this to be the case from 85-93'

Rhythm is important for shooters, and Jordan's bailout volume hurt him - he attempted 1.5 attempts or less every year (bailout volume) and shot well anytime he had more than bailout volume

[And1AllDay]

so brans the better defender, shooter, playmaker, scorer, dunker, leader

mikes the better...free throw shooter :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

Jordan struggled to hit from 3 wide open as well, career 28% without a shortened line

It's ok Jordan doesn't have to be the GOAT at everything, he was a mediocre 3 point shooter just accept it, he's not going to magically turn into Steph Curry if he played today

https://youtu.be/jsjukb2NttM

wow...mikes not top 5 after this

pathetic

[Axe]

The outrageous existence of a thread like this and stanning a certain player to oblivion (probably for kickback purposes) is just astounding. It only helps to keep this message board in remaining to be third-rate for more than a decade or so.

[light]

The outrageous existence of a thread like this and stanning a certain player to oblivion (probably for kickback purposes) is just astounding. It only helps to keep this message board in remaining to be third-rate for more than a decade or so.

This board is where everyone from ESPN's unmoderated anonymous commenting apparently came to when they switched to Facebook.

Some people hated ESPN then - because the content was a lot like what we see here - but it was extremely popular and it was fun. I'm grateful for this place that they allow that spirit to continue here.

[Axe]

This board is where everyone from ESPN's unmoderated anonymous commenting apparently came to when they switched to Facebook.

Some people hated ESPN then - because the content was a lot like what we see here - but it was extremely popular and it was fun. I'm grateful for this place that they allow that spirit to continue here.
There is nothing wrong about praising king bran. He is a great player unanimously bound to be inducted into the hof someday. Only fools will think he doesn't deserve that but let's not act like he's a god too, lol. There are other atgs who are great as well. So needless to say, he isn't the only one who's of that special kind in this sport. But then again, i guess there's not much to expect here since the average age of posters in this board is 12 more or less.

[ImKobe]

87-93 Playoffs (104 games) - 35.7% 3PT, 38+% 3PT in 3 straight title runs from '91-'93 (58 games) w/ an average of 38.7%. MJ could shoot the three in an era where rarely anyone did, but he didn't need it as he dominated from mid-range and inside the paint.

[TheGoatest]

87-93 Playoffs (104 games) - 35.7% 3PT, 38+% 3PT in 3 straight title runs from '91-'93 (58 games) w/ an average of 38.7%. MJ could shoot the three in an era where rarely anyone did, but he didn't need it as he dominated from mid-range and inside the paint.

Okay, you cherry picked the best Jordan's entire career has to offer. But 38% still doesn't come close to 100%, which is what LeBron shoots from the 3 if you cherry pick his 3 point shots that ended up going into the basket. Think about that. 100%!

He also does the same for free throws.

[ImKobe]

Okay, you cherry picked the best Jordan's entire career has to offer. But 38% still doesn't come close to 100%, which is what LeBron shoots from the 3 if you cherry pick his 3 point shots that ended up going into the basket. Think about that. 100%!

He also does the same for free throws.

I cherry-picked a 104-game and a 58-game sample size in a thread that's about a 18-game stretch by Lebron to start a season.. How can Jordan have these RS & Playoff stretches from 3 and not be able to shoot it? He clearly could, you look at the runs he had shooting the 3 at some volume & his numbers look decent, we know he was an elite FT and mid-range shooter, why do people still want to argue this shit?

[dankok8]

MJ and Lebron have very comparable 3pt shooting % for their careers. However MJ's era shot it at a much worse clip. Jordan's 38.7% shooting from the 1991-1993 playoffs which are his peak years is comparable to 41-42% shooting in today's NBA which is not just good but elite.

At the end it's a dumb discussion because neither Lebron nor MJ are elite 3pt shooters. Both are guys who did not bring a lot of value with that shot. It's akin to comparing Chris Paul and Steve Nash in rebounding. Who cares...

[tpols]

Anybody from past eras that was a great shooter would be shooting the 3 far better today. MJ is on record saying the 3 is a bad shot because it has the lowest chance of going in but he didn't realize the potency of the 50% bonus for guys who we're really good at it. (like Reggie did) Either way, MJ is the most efficient and productive midrange shooter of all time and that is more reliable. It's basically a FT for him and a lock. That's why he went 6/6, his game had no variance because of it's absence. Compared to say Curry who could either blow up or put up a dud, a 3 pt shot is never a sure thing, but Jordan midrange is.

[ThiccBoi]

Anybody from past eras that was a great shooter would be shooting the 3 far better today. MJ is on record saying the 3 is a bad shot because it has the lowest chance of going in but he didn't realize the potency of the 50% bonus for guys who we're really good at it. (like Reggie did) Either way, MJ is the most efficient and productive midrange shooter of all time and that is more reliable. It's basically a FT for him and a lock. That's why he went 6/6, his game had no variance because of it's absence. Compared to say Curry who could either blow up or put up a dud, a 3 pt shot is never a sure thing, but Jordan midrange is.


So youre saying Jordan was too fcking stupid to realize that 3 is 50% greater than 2? And all the other coaches had the same thinking?

Yep, weak ass era.

[tpols]

So youre saying Jordan was too fcking stupid to realize that 3 is 50% greater than 2? And all the other coaches had the same thinking?

Yep, weak ass era.

3's also don't make the defense expend energy if we're talking simple pull ups. If you're running around a million screens like klay or reggie or ray or Rip then yea you're making the defense work, but just taking simple pull ups is a bail out for the defense. It's normally not a good shot to take unless you worked for it. From what I see with LeBron, he doesn't do that at all. He holds the ball and feigns the drive which makes the defense sag, and then hits a wide open jumper. That's why his 3 pt shot is better than his midrange. He wouldn't make it if he had a guy in his grill.

[ThiccBoi]

3's also don't make the defense expend energy if we're talking simple pull ups. If you're running around a million screens like klay or reggie or ray or Rip then yea you're making the defense work, but just taking simple pull ups is a bail out for the defense. It's normally not a good shot to take unless you worked for it. From what I see with LeBron, he doesn't do that at all. He holds the ball and feigns the drive which makes the defense sag, and then hits a wide open jumper. That's why his 3 pt shot is better than his midrange. He wouldn't make it if he had a guy in his grill.

The mental gymnastics is off the chart. You are melting down because lebron is shooting 3s better than Kobe or MJ ever did

[Airupthere]

The mental gymnastics is off the chart. You are melting down because lebron is shooting 3s better than Kobe or MJ ever did

Heck even Robin and Brook Lopez are shooting better at 3 compared to Kobe and MJ. Kobe and MJ must really suck given how the Lopez brothers started in the league not shooting then sucking at 3s for the longest time.

Blake griffin developed his 3 as well.

But we must find each and every W for Lebron right?

[tpols]

The mental gymnastics is off the chart. You are melting down because lebron is shooting 3s better than Kobe or MJ ever did

Kobe and MJ were much better shooters and generally skilled at basketball. Everybody knows this. Their %'s are lower for 3's because they were the bailout artists for their teams, so instead of say Derek Fisher taking the bailout, Kobe would. LeBron plays hot potato in these situations... he only takes safe shots.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe and MJ were much better shooters and generally skilled at basketball. Everybody knows this. Their %'s are lower for 3's because they were the bailout artists for their teams, so instead of say Derek Fisher taking the bailout, Kobe would. LeBron plays hot potato in these situations... he only takes safe shots.

You realize LeBron's 3's on average are from further out than Kobe, and he and Lillard have the best percentage for deep 3's?


You talk so much garbage lol

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lebron-james-is-the-new-steph-curry/
https://i.gyazo.com/d83a8175feaec1d203b23914860a79e3.png

[ThiccBoi]

Kobe and MJ were much better shooters and generally skilled at basketball. Everybody knows this. Their %'s are lower for 3's because they were the bailout artists for their teams, so instead of say Derek Fisher taking the bailout, Kobe would. LeBron plays hot potato in these situations... he only takes safe shots.

Players in today's game are just better shooters than previous eras. Why is this so hard to accept? Random centers today shoot almost as good as sharpshooters did in the 90s. That was a different era with different emphasis of skillset.

Thomas Bryant and Nikola Vucevic would be seen as snipers in the 90s

[tpols]

You realize LeBron's 3's on average are from further out than Kobe, and he and Lillard have the best percentage for deep 3's?


You talk so much garbage lol

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lebron-james-is-the-new-steph-curry/
https://i.gyazo.com/d83a8175feaec1d203b23914860a79e3.png

This literally has nothing to do with what I said. Steph Curry broke the paradigm ceiling on players not taking long 3's. Bran never took long 3's before 2016. And like I said, his 3's are all wide open and he doesn't take his team's bailout shots. Hot potato. This affects %'s heavily if one guy is taking only wide open safe 3's and another, like Kobe or MJ, is taking toughly contested fadeaways... like this.

https://i.gifer.com/QhIB.gif

Bran rarely does stuff like that. ^^^ He would hot potato that jumper to a role player.

[RRR3]

Another day another ttantrum from ttrolls because he’s mad about LeBron shitting on Kobe :lol

[Airupthere]

Players in today's game are just better shooters than previous eras. Why is this so hard to accept? Random centers today shoot almost as good as sharpshooters did in the 90s. That was a different era with different emphasis of skillset.

Thomas Bryant and Nikola Vucevic would be seen as snipers in the 90s

Like the Lopez brothers who are now shooting 3s when they didn't when they started their careers. Why is it impossible to believe that past players that shot well from range can adapt to be good 3 pt shooters in todays game?

Thomas Bryant and Vucevic would not be snipers in the 90s because they would not be growing up learning to shoot 3s. They would be growing up learning only to play in the post.

[Airupthere]

This literally has nothing to do with what I said. Steph Curry broke the paradigm ceiling on players not taking long 3's. Bran never took long 3's before 2016. And like I said, his 3's are all wide open and he doesn't take his team's bailout shots. Hot potato. This affects %'s heavily if one guy is taking only wide open safe 3's and another, like Kobe or MJ, is taking toughly contested fadeaways... like this.

https://i.gifer.com/QhIB.gif

Bran rarely does stuff like that. ^^^ He would hot potato that jumper to a role player.

:oldlol: That's an embarrassing nickname for a top player.

[ThiccBoi]

Like the Lopez brothers who are now shooting 3s when they didn't when they started their careers. Why is it impossible to believe that past players that shot well from range can adapt to be good 3 pt shooters in todays game?

Thomas Bryant and Vucevic would not be snipers in the 90s because they would not be growing up learning to shoot 3s. They would be growing up learning only to play in the post.

I agree with you. If Hakeem, Ewing, Drob, Duncan etc were playing today, they would all be jacking threes.

But the fact of the matter is that they didnt. They were encouraged to play in the post.

Because the game was different back then, and because it was a weak era where nobody realized 3 > 2

And also because those centers were dogshit at shooting. Its a chicken and egg problem.

Good shooting leads to more ephasis on learning shooting. Which leads to good shooting.

If nobody could shoot 3s, then there is no 3pt meta and everyone plays jammed in the paint like pickup at the park. Cos its weak competition/talent.

[Axe]

Kobe and MJ were much better shooters and generally skilled at basketball. Everybody knows this. Their %'s are lower for 3's because they were the bailout artists for their teams, so instead of say Derek Fisher taking the bailout, Kobe would. LeBron plays hot potato in these situations... he only takes safe shots.
A very pathetic take lmfao