Deshaun Watson

[Doomsday Dallas]

Texans QB Deshaun Watson has requested to be traded

https://www.nfl.com/news/texans-qb-deshaun-watson-has-requested-to-be-traded


Deshaun Watson officially wants out of Houston.

The Pro Bowl quarterback has requested to be traded by the Texans, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported. Watson negotiated a no-trade clause in the extension he signed last summer and, by virtue of his contract, would decide what places would be acceptable, Rapoport added.

The trade request transpired a few weeks ago and teams have already been calling the Texans in attempts to acquire Watson, per Rapoport and NFL Network's Tom Pelissero. The organization, though, has said privately it's not trading the face of its franchise, NFL Network's Mike Garafolo reported.

Don't really see this trade happening... Houston would probably want more than two 1st round picks. Who would give that much up?

[Carbine]

You obviously don't understand the value that teams place on a 25 year old, top 5 QB who is signed through 2025.

Khalil Mack got two firsts. Enough said.

[Doomsday Dallas]

You obviously don't understand the value that teams place on a 25 year old, top 5 QB who is signed through 2025.

Khalil Mack got two firsts. Enough said.

I understand the value... And like I said... Houston would want more than two firsts.

The problem is, when you draft a player in the first round... their rookie contract isn't over $100 million.

High first round draft picks are talented players that don't kill your salary cap space.


CeeDee Lamb cost $14 million over 4 years at the 17th pick. That's a bargain. $3.5 million per year.

Watson costs $30 million per year over 3 years. No bargain.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Khalil Mack got two firsts.

So Raiders ended up with

(24th) RB Josh Jacobs: 4 years @ $12 million
(19th) CB Damon Arnette: 4 years @ $13.5 million

vs

Khalil Mack who averages $23 million per year.

Jacobs and Arnette will combine for an average of $6.5 million per year.

see the price difference?

Obviously I'd rather have Khalil Mack over Jacobs & Arnette but I'm paying 4x the cost.

[LoneyROY7]

Every single Houston sports team absolutely imploding.

Astros karma'd their entire city. Never cheat the game.

[Carbine]

Draft picks are unknown. It's illogical to use draft hits as evidence why teams won't do it. Half of first round picks are busts or just replaceable players.

Watson is known. No guessing involved.

Jets #2 + Seattle pick they got from Adams trade could easily get it done. Maybe Darnold + #2 could even do it.

#2 has a tremendous value. It's not a normal first rounder that is typically involved in trades for established players.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Jets do have some fire power in this year's draft... but Watson is not gonna want to play for that organization.

https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_editorial_landscape_12_desktop/f_auto/jets/hmbnbv24ndhiw2qsf0al.jpg

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.nfl.com/news/carolina-panthers-to-be-aggressive-in-pursuit-of-potential-deshaun-watson-trade


NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Thursday on NFL NOW that the Panthers will be "aggressive" in pursuit of the 25-year-old QB.

"Don't sleep on the Carolina Panthers," Rapoport said. "They are a team that I'm told is going to be aggressive in potentially acquiring Deshaun Watson."

The Panthers have a lot to like. It's a relatively young roster with room to grow. There are young studs on defense (Brian Burns, Jeremy Chinn) . The offense has high-caliber weapons (Christian McCaffrey, D.J. Moore , Robby Anderson).

[Carbine]

He literally listed them (The Jets) as his #1 destination.

[Doomsday Dallas]

He literally listed them (The Jets) as his #1 destination.

Well $hit...

looks like that's the most likely scenario then.

Wonder if the Texans would be interested in Darnold...

one proposal I just read suggested it would cost the Jets #2, #23 and a future 1st

Jets need to avoid giving up that 2022 first round pick imo.

Darnold, #2 and #23 seems like a good deal for both teams.... Texans don't have a first or second in this year's draft.

[CelticBaller]

We need to get Stafford. The AFC east bout to become the home of good QBs

[Chick Stern]

Since I can’t start a thread-
JJ Watt released from the Texans

[Nanners]

He literally listed them (The Jets) as his #1 destination.

If I was the Jets GM, this would be a red flag for me. Why on earth would any good QB ever want to join the Jets... especially when that QB is citing franchise incompetence as the reason he wants to leave his current team in the first place?

[Carbine]

He thinks highly of the new head coach there.

Jets could turn this around fairly quickly. They will have to give up a lot of draft capital for Watson but they have a lot of it due to the Adams trade and Darnold could bring back at least a second rounder.

They have a lot of money to spend. New York is a nice free agent destination.

[Nanners]

IMHO a nice destination for a higher end QB like Deshaun would be somewhere like Chicago, Minnesota, Tennessee... A team that would become an elite team if they had an elite QB.

The jets are somehow even weaker on skill players than the Texans, and somehow the Jets owner seems just as incompetent as the texans owner

[Charlie Sheen]

IMHO a nice destination for a higher end QB like Deshaun would be somewhere like Chicago, Minnesota, Tennessee... A team that would become an elite team if they had an elite QB.

The jets are somehow even weaker on skill players than the Texans, and somehow the Jets owner seems just as incompetent as the texans owner

I wouldn't have the Bears on that list. Nagy has scapegoated a kicker, two different qb's, and his coordinators to keep the target off his back. I wouldn't choose to play for him if I had the power to pick where I wanted to go.

[Nanners]

I wouldn't have the Bears on that list. Nagy has scapegoated a kicker, two different qb's, and his coordinators to keep the target off his back. I wouldn't choose to play for him if I had the power to pick where I wanted to go.

I tend to agree about nagy, all I am saying is that (unlike the Jets) the Bears already have a solid roster and could potentially go from mediocre to great overnight with a QB upgrade like Watson...

[Carbine]

I don't think Minnesota would jump as much as you'd think. Cousins is a good QB. Their defense isn't that good anymore.

The problem with the Texans wasn't the offense it was the defense. They'd obviously be better off because Watson is better than Cousins but considering what they'd have to cough up, the talent level would hard to improve upon what they have now. Which isn't great.

They have great name brand weapons, but Minnesota has a pretty flawed roster themselves.

[Chick Stern]

I tend to agree about nagy, all I am saying is that (unlike the Jets) the Bears already have a solid roster and could potentially go from mediocre to great overnight with a QB upgrade like Watson...
Bears have two problems. OK but not special offensive talent, and too much money tied up in Mack.
Truthfully, Watson might be a great Raider.

[Duderonomy]

Watson should be asking for a trade to Washington if he wants to win a ring and get credit for making a team better. You got already got Chase Young and Ron Riviera in a weak division.

[Patrick Chewing]

What the **** is Houston waiting for?? The draft is less than two months away. Stack some picks and trade Deshaun. To the Jets. Please.

[bladefd]

Well.. That's a lot of lawsuits with apparently 10 more women considering coming forward - could hit 22-23 different women if they all sue.. What happens next? These cases could go on for a year or probably multiple years. I bet every team, including Jets, just pulled their offers. He is a PR-nightmare until further notice. I don't even know if the nfl will let him play anytime soon.

Texans must be losing their minds for not doing the trade because now they might be stuck with him & get absolutely nothing in return.

[bladefd]

These are Cosby/Trump/Weinstein/etc number of allegations. I have not read what the specifics are of each allegation & how many are actual rape vs flirting/advances. Still, the sheer number of them is nuts.

https://i.ibb.co/2FsFrvW/EnO1rVp.jpg

[CelticBaller]

Texans are idiots for keeping him

[Doomsday Dallas]

Six new civil lawsuits filed against Texans QB Deshaun Watson to bring total to 13
https://www.nfl.com/news/four-new-civil-lawsuits-filed-against-texans-qb-deshaun-watson-to-bring-total-to

[~primetime~]

13 total, 6 of them massage therapists...wow

wouldn't be surprised if a few of them are women looking to cash in, but there is no way ALL of them are.

We may not ever see him play again...which is a real shame :(

[warriorfan]

13 total, 6 of them massage therapists...wow

wouldn't be surprised if a few of them are women looking to cash in, but there is no way ALL of them are.

We may not ever see him play again...which is a real shame :(

He forced those poor women to suck his dick by giving them 300$.

What a tragedy.

[tpols]

13 total, 6 of them massage therapists...wow

wouldn't be surprised if a few of them are women looking to cash in, but there is no way ALL of them are.

We may not ever see him play again...which is a real shame :(

Yea that's a money grab. Those massage therapists do that shit with plenty of clients, but if they can stick the guy for his money they will.

[GOBB]

He forced those poor women to suck his dick by giving them 300$.

What a tragedy.

It’s $300 not 300$. That’s the real tragedy here.

[GOBB]

These are Cosby/Trump/Weinstein/etc number of allegations. I have not read what the specifics are of each allegation & how many are actual rape vs flirting/advances. Still, the sheer number of them is nuts.

https://i.ibb.co/2FsFrvW/EnO1rVp.jpg

If you don’t know the specifics of the case why are you so comfortable posting a photo of Cosby face on his body? That’s weird. So he’s guilty on all accounts to you. Even tho you don’t know the specifics behind any of it. Imagine if you were a judge. Yikes.

[ShawkFactory]

Yea that's a money grab. Those massage therapists do that shit with plenty of clients, but if they can stick the guy for his money they will.

Not that it isn’t gross, but there has to be some sort of accounting system to determine if they were paid more by him specifically.

But I don’t feel like Deshaun Watson would struggle to have pretty much any girl that he wants. So this is really really weird.

[bladefd]

If you don’t know the specifics of the case why are you so comfortable posting a photo of Cosby face on his body? That’s weird. So he’s guilty on all accounts to you. Even tho you don’t know the specifics behind any of it. Imagine if you were a judge. Yikes.

Not reading through documents for 14 separate court cases. Anyways, I saw that photoshopped photo posted in a Colts reddit thread and found it funny (for all the wrong reasons, yes yes). Texans, Titans, and Jaguars get clowned there a lot due to inter-divisional rivalries.

Is he guilty? I have no idea but that's for the courts to decide. Regardless, that is a lot of court cases and still 7-8 more women have yet to decide whether to file or not. It doesn't look good at all for Watson.

If I was the judge or jury, I would read every case involved and be there in real-time to see the case unfold. I'm not in that position so I can freely sit here speculating & posting memes.

[AlternativeAcc.]

It’s $300 not 300$. That’s the real tragedy here.

:lol

[tpols]

Not that it isn’t gross, but there has to be some sort of accounting system to determine if they were paid more by him specifically.

But I don’t feel like Deshaun Watson would struggle to have pretty much any girl that he wants. So this is really really weird.

The owner of the patriots literally got caught with this exact thing. We have to wait and see what this situation is. Is this a Darren Sharper situation where he was flying all over the countries drugging and raping blatantly? I read the Sharper case that guy was a true predator. In this case? Off the bat if I'm just eyeballing it? This is just a "massage" therapist aka happy ending thing that these women have engaged with tons of clients to perform, but right when the fella gets that big money coming, a bunch of them come spilling out the closet looking for their slice of the cake. If that's the case, these ho's should not only be ashamed of themselves, they're some of the most vile life forms to exist on this planet. If it's not and it's a Sharper case? Then I'd gladly admit I was wrong and so was this guy. I don't think it was though.

[~primetime~]

https://sports.yahoo.com/the-lawsuit-that-is-most-problematic-for-deshaun-watson-014827728.html

16 now...one of them looks to have decent evidence in the form of Insta messages and text messages and calling friends and family after.

It is clear that Watson was seeking out lots of massage therapists on his own to come to his home...that in itself is suspicious IMO.

Also suspicious that all the stories mirror each other IMO...all of them basically saying the same thing

[ShawkFactory]

The owner of the patriots literally got caught with this exact thing. We have to wait and see what this situation is. Is this a Darren Sharper situation where he was flying all over the countries drugging and raping blatantly? I read the Sharper case that guy was a true predator. In this case? Off the bat if I'm just eyeballing it? This is just a "massage" therapist aka happy ending thing that these women have engaged with tons of clients to perform, but right when the fella gets that big money coming, a bunch of them come spilling out the closet looking for their slice of the cake. If that's the case, these ho's should not only be ashamed of themselves, they're some of the most vile life forms to exist on this planet. If it's not and it's a Sharper case? Then I'd gladly admit I was wrong and so was this guy. I don't think it was though.

Dude signed a 14 mil contract with another $8 as a signing bonus his rookie year. Do the happy ending ho’s only come out once we get into the 100 mil range? It’s fishy.

Compared to every client they’ve ever had, he’s already HUGE money.

[tpols]

Dude signed a 14 mil contract with another $8 as a signing bonus his rookie year. Do the happy ending ho’s only come out once we get into the 100 mil range? It’s fishy.

Compared to every client they’ve ever had, he’s already HUGE money.

There's a huge difference between that initial rookie contract and a 100 million dollar contract. Far, far, far more to milk, and notice these are all "civil" cases, not criminal, meaning right off the bat these women don't even want him prosecuted. They're just sticking him for his paper in the words of Christopher Wallace.

[~primetime~]

So now it's at 24 accusers...16 lawsuits

While I don't doubt there are a some liars in there...I find it almost impossible that all 24 are lying.

First off some of these women are licensed muscle therapists... which is different than some asian massage therapist. They work with athletes and we're trained for it. They are also different than some hood rat with 20 kids looking for money any way she can.

He's also contacting all these women himself... one of them he just hand picked on Insta.

And they all have the same story and details.

His lawyer definitely has his work cut out...Im betting some kind of settlement will be offered to all of them. And then what the NFL does? He might be done.

[tpols]

So now it's at 24 accusers...16 lawsuits

While I don't doubt there are a some liars in there...I find it almost impossible that all 24 are lying.

First off some of these women are licensed muscle therapists... which is different than some asian massage therapist. They work with athletes and we're trained for it. They are also different than some hood rat with 20 kids looking for money any way she can.

He's also contacting all these women himself... one of them he just hand picked on Insta.

And they all have the same story and details.

His lawyer definitely has his work cut out...Im betting some kind of settlement will be offered to all of them. And then what the NFL does? He might be done.

And are they coming to him? Or accepting his invitation? Contacting women on insta to come over for sex? Every athlete is doing that nowadays. Now they regret it years later just as he's about to cash in?

https://media.giphy.com/media/d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY/giphy.gif

Can you imagine what would happen to your 90's Cowboys if they scrutinized this stuff? They used to throw cocaine yacht parties full of these hookers. Michael Irvin would be doing life under this microscope.

All civil cases... where's the criminal accusations? Civil right off the bat? That's money. Simple and plain.

[ShawkFactory]

There's a huge difference between that initial rookie contract and a 100 million dollar contract. Far, far, far more to milk, and notice these are all "civil" cases, not criminal, meaning right off the bat these women don't even want him prosecuted. They're just sticking him for his paper in the words of Christopher Wallace.

A professional athlete..who is a Quarterback...who was drafted in the top 5 has already cashed in. Yes, 100 million is way different than 20 million. But 20 million is way different than 1 million, which is probably already way more than what these women see regularly anyway.

As far as civil suits instead of criminal..maybe their lawyers figure they’d never win a criminal suit like this against a professional athlete? Particularly given their line of work? I don’t know what actually happened. And neither do you.

Saying “these hos are vile and just want his money” is just as ridiculous right now as saying “he’s a rapist and deserves to rot”. And I’m sure you hate that second group.

[tpols]

A professional athlete..who is a Quarterback...who was drafted in the top 5 has already cashed in.

Completely untrue. He could've been Vince Young or Jamarcus Russell... or any number of top ranked busts. That 100 mil is huge.


As far as civil suits instead of criminal..maybe their lawyers figure they’d never win a criminal suit like this against a professional athlete?

Again totally untrue. Darren Sharper is one of the best all pro safeties ever and he's in prison right now. Kobe got hit with criminal before he settled. All these women are filing CIVIL right off the bat. Because they have no case the man committed a crime and are looking to cash in on a lower level court case where proof is less needed.

[ShawkFactory]

Completely untrue. He could've been Vince Young or Jamarcus Russell... or any number of top ranked busts. That 100 mil is huge.
You're acting like chicks at low brow spas have the same sports acumen as dudes who love sports do. If a girl hits up Deshaun (or does whatever with him), you think they're gonna scoff at that 20 million and notoriety that he already has as a college national champion, top 5 pick and pro bowl quarterback and bet on him and wait for that 100 million payout later? You think they're like "nah I saw what happened to Jamarcus Russell, let's wait and see on this one". Like...that's the argument?

If these women are this vile and want money that bad, they're cracking on a dude who has 20 million the next day bro.



Again totally untrue. Darren Sharper is one of the best all pro safeties ever and he's in prison right now. Kobe got hit with criminal before he settled. All these women are filing CIVIL right off the bat. Because they have no case the man committed a crime and are looking to cash in on a lower level court case where proof is less needed.
You already know these cases. Sharper...yea.

Kobe had the girls blood on his shirt. Regardless of what happened there, there was a case to be made.

With Deshaun and presumable sex spa workers with no signs of forceful anything...not the same circumstances.

Again, Deshaun might have done nothing wrong. He also might have done something very wrong, but with no way for it to be proven. Hence civil courts. Not all crimes have a great case against them.

Your assumptions are just as wrong as the SJWs or feminists or whoever.

[~primetime~]

I could be completely off on this because I don't know what all the accusations are...but I don't think he is being accused of actual rape. If he were raping these women you'd see criminal charges. From what I have read the story all these women are presenting is that he invites them over to his home for massage/muscle therapy and then disrobes, pulls his dick out, starts grabbing at them, etc.

He's being accused of "sexual misconduct"...which probably doesn't result in much prison time, if any.

All of these women are under the same lawyer, and I think that's another reason it's civil because he is probably going for one huge settlement for all of them.



currently it looks like a lot of this will hinge on text messages, Insta messages, etc as proof.

this text from Watson to one of the accusers was already shown:
“Sorry about you feeling uncomfortable. Never were the intentions.”

The lawyer claims he has lots of texts...and apparently it was common for Watson to contact therapists requesting that he needs his groin massaged.




I'd be rally surprised if there were nothing true to all this, but that said, I'd also be surprised if some these accusers aren't full of shit, and one of them has already been caught trying to blackmail Watson for $30k in exchange for her silence, she should be charged, and any other of these women who are caught just trying to get in on a pay day should be charged as well.

[tpols]

You're acting like chicks at low brow spas have the same sports acumen as dudes who love sports do. If a girl hits up Deshaun (or does whatever with him), you think they're gonna scoff at that 20 million and notoriety that he already has as a college national champion, top 5 pick and pro bowl quarterback and bet on him and wait for that 100 million payout later? You think they're like "nah I saw what happened to Jamarcus Russell, let's wait and see on this one". Like...that's the argument?


Uh... yes. 20 million after it's taxed is like... 12 million. And athletes are notorious for blowing through money like that quickly. That's not something they can line up for. One HUNDRED million? And of course thats just 4 years, he could gets 100s of millions more. They will line up for that. You're being ridiculous acting like there isn't a difference and it isnt a huge motivating factor for these individuals to cash in. Tiddy already showed that one of them tried to blatantly blackmail him for 30K. The others are looking for hundreds of thousands of dollars in settlements and he will be much more able to pay them off with 100 million dollars than 12 million. It's just a shame these people could be so evil... so conniving to rob a dude like this. Karma will have to get them back in the after life or next cycle. If Deshaun's smart, he'll never engage any of these hos again and just hit the strip clubs up like Harden and Paul George. :lol

[ShawkFactory]

Uh... yes. 20 million after it's taxed is like... 12 million. And athletes are notorious for blowing through money like that quickly. That's not something they can line up for. One HUNDRED million? And of course thats just 4 years, he could gets 100s of millions more. They will line up for that. You're being ridiculous acting like there isn't a difference and it isnt a huge motivating factor for these individuals to cash in. Tiddy already showed that one of them tried to blatantly blackmail him for 30K. The others are looking for hundreds of thousands of dollars in settlements and he will be much more able to pay them off with 100 million dollars than 12 million. It's just a shame these people could be so evil... so conniving to rob a dude like this. Karma will have to get them back in the after life or next cycle. If Deshaun's smart, he'll never engage any of these hos again and just hit the strip clubs up like Harden and Paul George. :lol
You’re someone who likes to argue just for the sake of it, eh?

[baudkarma]

It's easier to get a guilty verdict in a civil case than in a criminal case. In criminal court, the jury is told a guilty verdict requires the evidence to prove it "beyond a reasonable doubt". In civil court it only requires "a preponderance of evidence". OJ was found innocent in criminal court, but was later convicted in civil court on pretty much the same evidence. Of course you can argue about double jeopardy but that's another topic.

There may also be hope that Watsons lawyer will see the evidence and advise his client to settle out of court. I'm sure most of those women don't want to have to testify under oath and then submit to a cross-examination.

[Nanners]

This story is fishy as hell...

If Watson is a serial abuser to the extent that he has ~20+ victims, how come there has never been a single public allegation against him until a few months ago? A guy who does regularly creepy stuff like this doesnt just suddenly start doing it out of nowhere at age 25. If this is the type of guy Watson truly is, there should be victims going back to his HS/College days... yet it seems like all of the accusations are very recent.

The fact that all these lawsuits have suddenly appeared now after years of silence, means that the texans must have been covering up his abuse for years and decided to stop because he is leaving the team, or it means that something seriously fishy is going on with these allegations. Its also bizzare that every single one of the victims is being represented by a lawyer who seems to have some ties to the McNair family.

[Patrick Chewing]

So the guy likes to whip his dick out while getting a massage. So what? Who hasn't?

[LAL]

You’re someone who likes to argue just for the sake of it, eh?

He doesn't side with gold digging hoes. Important because they ruin lives.

[ShawkFactory]

He doesn't side with gold digging hoes. Important because they ruin lives.

Nor do I, or likely anyone else here.