Is this the game where Zach Lavine announced his arrival to superstardom?

[PeroAntic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euqnfsliXU4


This is simply a marvel to watch, masterclass from both Zach and Jimmy. Going toe to toe with one of the best and most clutchest guards in the league, and outclutching him in the end for the win opened the next chapter for Zach. Before this game, Lavine was still just a talent with flashes of greatness. Its here where he made the step towards becoming a leader and carrier of the team. The Butler effect.

[RRR3]

Lavine isn’t a superstar lmao. Not even close.

[PeroAntic]

Lavine isn’t a superstar lmao. Not even close.

27/5/5 on 50/40/90. Sure not a superstar:oldlol:

If only Minnesota traded Wiggins for Butler instead of Lavine.

[RRR3]

27/5/5 on 50/40/90. Sure not a superstar:oldlol:

If only Minnesota traded Wiggins for Butler instead of Lavine.
His on/off is -17.6 :roll:


Maybe if he wasn’t an all time bad defender he’d be a superstar but he is so...

[Manny98]

Lavine isn’t a superstar lmao. Not even close.
He puts up superstar numbers, but his overall impact on games isn't even all star level let alone superstar level

He's terrible at every aspect of basketball that's necessary for winning outside of scoring


One of the most overrated players in the league, people get fooled by the pretty numbers and think he's some star

[ArbitraryWater]

https://i.gyazo.com/e900ef67680db24d0d4eb5e1123eb61d.gif


bruh

[PeroAntic]

He puts up superstar numbers, but his overall impact on games isn't even all star level let alone superstar level

He's terrible at every aspect of basketball that's necessary for winning outside of scoring


One of the most overrated players in the league, people get fooled by the pretty numbers and think he's some star

https://i.redd.it/sgz8n460r5l51.jpg




can't even explain what specifically does he do badly (no, hes a good defender this year), but oVeRaLL iMpAcT:oldlol:

[RRR3]

He puts up superstar numbers, but his overall impact on games isn't even all star level let alone superstar level

He's terrible at every aspect of basketball that's necessary for winning outside of scoring


One of the most overrated players in the league, people get fooled by the pretty numbers and think he's some star
Yeah pretty much. His defense is all time bad. Great scorer for sure but his impact isn’t there.

[RRR3]

https://i.redd.it/sgz8n460r5l51.jpg

can't even explain what specifically he does badly (no, hes a good defender this year), but oVeRaLL iMpAcT:oldlol:
He’s not wrong.

[PeroAntic]

He’s not wrong.

Ok lets say hes bad at defense (which he isnt, but for the sake of argument).

For a player posting those numbers on that efficiency defense should basically be irrelevant. Nash won two MVPs with WORSE numbers and WORSE defense. And Lavine despite being 5x better defender than Nash is apparently not a superstar. Are you people ****ing serious?

Theres a whole bunch of guards who are worse defensively than Lavine, and nobody says anything. give me a break

[RRR3]

Ok lets say hes bad at defense (which he isnt, but for the sake of argument).

For a player posting those numbers on that efficiency defense should basically be irrelevant. Nash won two MVPs with WORSE numbers and WORSE defense. And Lavine despite being 5x better defender than Nash is apparently not a superstar. Are you people ****ing serious?

Theres a whole bunch of guards who are worse defensively than Lavine, and nobody says anything. give me a break
Nash’s teams were better when he was on the court.

[PeroAntic]

Nash’s teams were better when he was on the court.

Another vague answer, still no specific reason why. Why were Nash's teams better? Perhaps, just perhaps, that Nash was surrounded by actual talent?

Its hilarious that everyone else are evaluated on their stats, but when it comes to Lavine suddenly the criteria are different. Nobody gives a shit about Harden or Kyrie or Booker's defense (all worse than Lavine's). But for Lavine no, he has to be MJ on both sides to get recognition.

Even funnier is that on other hand nobody gives a shit about Butler's impact - 'nah, his boxscore numbers aren't great'. So which one is it?

[Mr Exlax]

He’s exciting to watch but nah not a superstar IMO. A good player putting up big numbers. Superstars can carry even the weakest of teammates and do something besides lottery.

[tpols]

The Bulls are 10th in the Least.

If he ascends them further and produces when it matters I would have to concede. But for now it is what it is.

[RRR3]

Another vague answer, still no specific reason why. Why were Nash's teams better? Perhaps, just perhaps, that Nash was surrounded by actual talent?

Its hilarious that everyone else are evaluated on their stats, but when it comes to Lavine suddenly the criteria are different. Nobody gives a shit about Harden or Kyrie or Booker's defense (all worse than Lavine's). But for Lavine no, he has to be MJ on both sides to get recognition.

Even funnier is that on other hand nobody gives a shit about Butler's impact - 'nah, his boxscore numbers aren't great'. So which one is it?
Holy strawman. Butler is a borderline top 10 player and I think most knowledgeable people know this. Look at how bad the Heat are without him. Meanwhile Lavine’s teams have been worse with him on the court every year except one. Sounds like empty stats to me, captain.

[Manny98]

Ok lets say hes bad at defense (which he isnt, but for the sake of argument).

For a player posting those numbers on that efficiency defense should basically be irrelevant. Nash won two MVPs with WORSE numbers and WORSE defense. And Lavine despite being 5x better defender than Nash is apparently not a superstar. Are you people ****ing serious?

Theres a whole bunch of guards who are worse defensively than Lavine, and nobody says anything. give me a break
He's a awful playmaker, he doesn't make players around him better in fact the Bulls play better when he doesn't play.

He's a ball stopper on offense, right now he's just a guy that puts up big numbers on a bad team

[Clifton]

Is this the game where Zach Lavine announced his arrival to superstardom?
Who?

What is it about Zach Lavine where you just don't care?

The guy could put up 40ppg for two months and not only wouldn't I care.. no one else would either

[PeroAntic]

He's a awful playmaker, he doesn't make players around him better in fact the Bulls play better when he doesn't play.

He's a ball stopper on offense, right now he's just a guy that puts up big numbers on a bad team

Both false.

1. He shares playmaking duties with Coby White, and he still gets 5 assists per game.

2. He moves off the ball like crazy. Cuts on the base line and goes around pindowns to the middle constantly. Half of the time hes either in the corner or takes curls from there, the other half he runs the PnR. He plays within the coach's system. Its absolute bs that the Bulls play any differently without him in the lineup.

Funny how nobody minds Harden's ballhogging, but apparently Lavine stops the ball too much on offense.

Get your facts straight and stop talking out of your ass about some ambiguous impact. Theres nothing Lavine is bad at and there are many things hes great at. His team is ass, plain and simple.

[PeroAntic]

What is it about Zach Lavine where you just don't care?


Its that youre dumb.

Youre welcome.

[Manny98]

Both false.

1. He shares playmaking duties with Coby White, and he still gets 5 assists per game.

2. He moves off the ball like crazy. Cuts on the base line and goes around pindowns to the middle constantly. Half of the time hes either in the corner or takes curls from there, the other half he runs the PnR. He plays within the coach's system. Its absolute bs that the Bulls play any differently without him in the lineup.

Funny how nobody minds Harden's ballhogging, but apparently Lavine stops the ball too much on offense.

Get your facts straight and stop talking out of your ass about some ambiguous impact. Theres nothing Lavine is bad at and there are many things hes great at. His team is ass, plain and simple.
5 assists with 4 turnovers is absolutely horrendous, he's an awful playmaker who doesn't elevate his teammates hence why the Bulls rank towards the bottom of the league on offense

Don't get me started on his defense :oldlol:

Levine could be a good 3rd option on a championship team but you're not going anywhere with him as your go to guy


Btw nobody has an issue with Hardens ballhogging because it's effective and his team's have been title contenders every year whilst Lavines teams don't scratch the playoffs

[ArbitraryWater]

Who?

What is it about Zach Lavine where you just don't care?

The guy could put up 40ppg for two months and not only wouldn't I care.. no one else would either


Nah, only you don't.

[Axe]

Thread is misleading. Lavine is interesting but the only way he'll become prominent with the likes of many veteran stars is if he pioneers the bulls to become potential serious contenders in the future. Rn tho, he is similar to bradley beal; they can both have the consistency to generate intriguing stats for themselves in some games despite playing for meh teams.

[SATAN]

Zach is good but he's not a "superstar". Is OP trolling?

[ArbitraryWater]

LaVine just hit the coldest three


Too much disrespect for that man just because he's flashy and putting up volume numbers on a bad team

[Doranku]

Lavine just literally threw the game. :lol

[RRR3]

LaVine just hit the coldest three


Too much disrespect for that man just because he's flashy and putting up volume numbers on a bad team
Then he turned it over and lost them the game :lol

[PeroAntic]

LaVine just hit the coldest three


Too much disrespect for that man just because he's flashy and putting up volume numbers on a bad team

These bums don't know what theyre talking about. Hes one of the clutchest players in the league. Was there ever in the history of the league someone with that combo of speed, dunking and 3pt ability?

Beal gets way more respect than Lavine does. And people talk him down for being potentially 'only' third star on a championship winning team. How is this 'not being a star'? Personally I think he would be a great #2 with a top center. If Philly manage to trade Simmons for him, look out with him being the second option and Harris the third there after Embiid. Thats a title winning team right there.

[Axe]

Lavine just literally threw the game. :lol
A very horrible scene to say the least :oldlol:

There's still room for improvement doe