Wade 2013 Finals - 19.6 on 47%..... Pippen career Finals - 19.0 on 42%

[3ball]

Wade averaged 4.6 assists and 2.2 turnovers... Pippen averaged 5.9 and 3.3

Wade also outscored the opposing #1 option in the 13' Finals


CONCLUSION - Wade's worst Finals ring > Pippen's average Finals ring

[Axe]

1-9

[3ball]

1-9



Playoffs

13' Wade..'.... 18.7 PER.. 3.0 bpm.. 1.0 vorp.. 0.108 ws/48
93' Pippen.... 16.9 PER.. 2.0 bpm.. 0.8 vorp.. 0.083 ws/48


Finals

13' Wade..........'..... 19.6 on 47% (outscored opposing #1 option)

96' Pippen............. 15.7 on 34%
97' Pippen............. 19.0 on 42%
98' Pippen............. 15.7 on 41%

Pippen 6 Finals.... 19.0 on 42%



Comparing sidekick help while trying to 3-peat



Playoffs

14' Wade...'.. 18.5 PER.. 0.086 ws/48.. 1.6 obpm
93' Pippen... 16.9 PER.. 0.083 ws/48.. 1.1 obpm


Per 100 Possessions

14' Wade...'.. 28.6 pts.. 6.2 ast.. 56.0 ts.. 106 ortg
93' Pippen... 26.2 pts.. 7.4 ast.. 50.0 ts.. 102 ortg


So why the excuses for Lebron?

[Axe]

Playoffs

13' Wade..'.... 18.7 PER.. 3.0 bpm.. 1.0 vorp.. 0.108 ws/48
93' Pippen.... 16.9 PER.. 2.0 bpm.. 0.8 vorp.. 0.083 ws/48


Finals

13' Wade..........'..... 19.6 on 47% (outscored opposing #1 option)

96' Pippen............. 15.7 on 34%
97' Pippen............. 19.0 on 42%
98' Pippen............. 15.7 on 41%

Pippen 6 Finals.... 19.0 on 42%



Comparing sidekick help while trying to 3-peat



Playoffs

14' Wade...'.. 18.5 PER.. 0.086 ws/48.. 1.6 obpm
93' Pippen... 16.9 PER.. 0.083 ws/48.. 1.1 obpm


Per 100 Possessions

14' Wade...'.. 28.6 pts.. 6.2 ast.. 56.0 ts.. 106 ortg
93' Pippen... 26.2 pts.. 7.4 ast.. 50.0 ts.. 102 ortg


So why the excuses for Lebron?
Rubbish

[3ball]

Rubbish


What's wrong with it?

12' Wade had higher BPM, PER, and WS/48 than Pippen ever did, so it shouldn't surprise you that 13' and 14' Wade had merely fallen to Pippen's production level, actually slightly higher as the stats show..

carry on

[3ball]

And see, that's why you guys think 13-14' Wade sucked - he'd fallen to prime pippen stats - admit it - you never watched pippen and don't realize that his production equaled 13-14' Wade

[Manny98]

Peak Pippen was better than 12-14 Wade

Much better defender and playmaker and only slightly worse at scoring

[3ball]

Peak Pippen was better than 12-14 Wade

Much better defender and playmaker and only slightly worse at scoring


Wade averaged more apg than pippen and was always the better playmaker, creator and assist man

And 12' Wade had higher BPM, PER, and WS/48 than Pippen ever did, so where's your evidence that peak Pippen was better?

13' and 14' Wade had merely fallen to prime Pippen's production level, actually slightly higher as the stats show..

[RRR3]

Wade averaged more apg than pippen and was always the better playmaker, creator and assist man

And 12' Wade had higher BPM, PER, and WS/48 than Pippen ever did, so where's your evidence that peak Pippen was better?

13' and 14' Wade had merely fallen to prime Pippen's production level, actually slightly higher as the stats show..
So you admit LeBron won a ring with a Pippen level sidekick? And Pippen sucks according to you?


So LeBron must be pretty damn amazing huh?

[Kiddlovesnets]

1-9

1-9 is a weak argument considering that the worst 3 seasons(85-87) he had in his career(not considering the Wizards years 'cause every sane person knows it doesnt count), while Lebron missed playoffs in his worst 3 seasons(04, 05 and 19). MJ has higher ceiling and floor than Lebron, this is not even a contest. In order to go 1-9 in playoffs, you have to make the playoffs first. Lebron couldnt go 1-9 even in his worst 3 seasons as he missed the playoffs, and a lot of people just dont understand or intentionally ignore this simple fact.

[Manny98]

Wade averaged more apg than pippen and was always the better playmaker, creator and assist man

And 12' Wade had higher BPM, PER, and WS/48 than Pippen ever did, so where's your evidence that peak Pippen was better?

13' and 14' Wade had merely fallen to prime Pippen's production level, actually slightly higher as the stats show..
Wade in 2012 playoffs - 23/5/4 22 PER .165 WS/48
Pippen in 91 playoffs - 22/6/9 22 PER .197 WS/48

First 3 peat Pippen > 12-14 Wade

So Jordan had more help for his first 3 rings than Lebron did from 12-14 and in 2016 LeBron won with 0 all stars so overall MJ had more help

[Axe]

1-9 is a weak argument considering that the worst 3 seasons(85-87) he had in his career(not considering the Wizards years 'cause every sane person knows it doesnt count), while Lebron missed playoffs in his worst 3 seasons(04, 05 and 19). MJ has higher ceiling and floor than Lebron, this is not even a contest. In order to go 1-9 in playoffs, you have to make the playoffs first. Lebron couldnt go 1-9 even in his worst 3 seasons as he missed the playoffs, and a lot of people just dont understand or intentionally ignore this simple fact.
No pip?

[3ball]

So you admit LeBron won a ring with a Pippen level sidekick? And Pippen sucks according to you?


So LeBron must be pretty damn amazing huh?


Maybe in 13' but he had 2 pippen's sharing the load - Bosh was equal to pippen and a luxury at 3rd option that Bron could reduce, and he tragically did.. then bron had a 3rd HOF teammate that saved him... Bro, lebron was a NET NEGATIVE in that series (heat had negative ortg/drtg differential when he was on floor)

[Hey Yo]

Maybe in 13' but he had 2 pippen's sharing the load - Bosh was equal to pippen and a luxury at 3rd option that Bron could reduce, and he tragically did.. then bron had a 3rd HOF teammate that saved him... Bro, lebron was a NET NEGATIVE in that series

When has Pippen been held scoreless in a Finals game like Bosh was in gm7 in 2013?

LOL @ thinking less scoring and less defensive = a luxury to have.

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

When has Pippen been held scoreless in a Finals game like Bosh was in gm7 in 2013?

LOL @ thinking less scoring and less defensive = a luxury to have.


Lebron's cast in 2013


- HOF Wade (prime pippen production)

- HOF Bosh (11x all-star at 3rd option, pioneered optimal PNR defense)

- HOF Ray Allen (saved the dogshit out of lebron's life.. led heat in net rating)

- 2x all defense battier.. birdman.. others..

[Hey Yo]

HOF Allen held scoreless in that game 7 also.

Pippen and Kukoc ever held scoreless in the Finals and still went on to get the W?

Keep shootin yourself in the foot. It's pretty funny

[3ball]

HOF Allen held scoreless in that game 7 also.

Pippen and Kukoc ever held scoreless in the Finals and still went on to get the W?

Keep shootin yourself in the foot. It's pretty funny


1) Lebron's teammates saved him by avoiding an 0-3 deficit while Lebron averaged 16 on 39% for the first 3 games

2) Ray Allen saved him when Bron's 23 on 43% thru 6 games was insufficient


Carry on

[Hey Yo]

Don't forget to how great Mike Miller was who also was held scoreless that gm7.

All those zeros yet still won the game and title. Absolutely amazing and will never be duplicated

[TheCorporation]

Don't forget to how great Mike Miller was who also was held scoreless that gm7.

All those zeros yet still won the game and title. Absolutely amazing and will never be duplicated

+1

LeGoat lives on :rockon:

[TheGoatest]

Imagine someone telling you in advance that Chris Bosh, Ray Allen and Mike Miller would combine for 0 points in game 7 of the 2013 finals. And a legit zero points, as in all three would get a decent amount of minutes of playing time. Nobody on earth would believe that the Heat would've won that game knowing this fact. Yet they did. Because of LeBron. That's how great LeBron is.

https://www.sikids.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_635/MTY4NTE4ODcyODE0MTM1MDYz/image-placeholder-title.webp

:applause:

[3ball]

Imagine someone telling you in advance that Chris Bosh, Ray Allen and Mike Miller would combine for 0 points in game 7 of the 2013 finals. And a legit zero points, as in all three would get a decent amount of minutes of playing time. Nobody on earth would believe that the Heat would've won that game knowing this fact. Yet they did. Because of LeBron. That's how great LeBron is.

https://www.sikids.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_635/MTY4NTE4ODcyODE0MTM1MDYz/image-placeholder-title.webp

:applause:


Who cares about Game 7 because lebron's teammates had ALREADY saved him twice in the series

They saved him from an 0-3 deficit while Lebron averaged 16 on 39% for the first 3 games... And Ray Allen saved him from loss when Bron's 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games

So who cares about Game 7 when teammates had to save him multiple times just to get to Game 7.. They were literally SPENT saving lebron for 6 games and had zero left for Game 7

[tpols]

Birdman and Ray Allen are underrated big time on that team. Outside of the shot, I didn't realize how good Ray was in that series. He shot 55% from the floor, 55% from 3, and 92% from the stripe averaging double figures. That's a monster series from a role player.

[3ball]

Birdman and Ray Allen are underrated big time on that team. Outside of the shot, I didn't realize how good Ray was in that series. He shot 55% from the floor, 55% from 3, and 92% from the stripe averaging double figures. That's a monster series from a role player.


Allen led the Heat in net rating in the Finals, while Lebron was a net negative

[3ball]

Bump.. just so y'all see the truth one more time.. never forget

[Axe]

Bump.. just so y'all see the truth one more time.. never forget
How many rings did he have without pippen

[Manny98]

First 3 peat Pippen = 21/8/7 with GOAT perimeter defense

So first 3 peat Pippen >>>>>>>> 12-14 Wade

First 3 peat Pippen was arguably the GOAT sidekick, won 55 games without MJ and finished top 3 in MVP voting in his first season as a number 1 option

[3ball]

First 3 peat Pippen = 21/8/7 with GOAT perimeter defense

So first 3 peat Pippen >>>>>>>> 12-14 Wade

First 3 peat Pippen was arguably the GOAT sidekick, won 55 games without MJ and finished top 3 in MVP voting in his first season as a number 1 option


PLAYOFFS

13' Wade...... 18.7 PER... 3.1 BPM... 1.0 VORP... 0.103 WS/48... 5 ppg less than Lebron in Finals
93' Pippen.... 16.9 PER... 2.0 BPM... 0.8 VORP... 0.083 WS/48... 21 ppg less than Jordan in Finals

* Wade averaged 5 points less than lebron in Finals (shared load), while Pippen averaged 20 less than Mike (carried).

And 12' Wade was top 3 in the league for PER, BPM, WS/48 and VORP - he had far better stats than any version of Pippen

[Manny98]

PLAYOFFS

13' Wade...... 18.7 PER... 3.1 BPM... 1.0 VORP... 0.103 WS/48
93' Pippen.... 16.9 PER... 2.0 BPM... 0.8 VORP... 0.083 WS/48


And 12' Wade was top 3 in the league for PER, BPM, WS/48 and VORP - he had far better stats than any version of Pippen
91 & 92 Pippen destroys 12 & 13 Wade in the playoffs

And Pippen averaged 21/9/8 in the 98 finals which destroys any of Wade's finals

You could argue that Wade was better than 2nd 3peat Pippen but not first

[Axe]

PLAYOFFS

13' Wade...... 18.7 PER... 3.1 BPM... 1.0 VORP... 0.103 WS/48... 5 ppg less than Lebron in Finals
93' Pippen.... 16.9 PER... 2.0 BPM... 0.8 VORP... 0.083 WS/48... 21 ppg less than Jordan in Finals

* Wade averaged 5 points less than lebron in Finals (shared load), while Pippen averaged 20 less than Mike (carried).

And 12' Wade was top 3 in the league for PER, BPM, WS/48 and VORP - he had far better stats than any version of Pippen
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Mike
Bravo

[3ball]

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Bravo


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