Between MJ and LeBron rank these abilities by crediting one over the other:

[hiphopanonymous]

Who was better at:

* Overall offensive impact
* Individually scoring points
* Overall defensive impact
* Rebounding
* Clutch - making the big plays when they matter most
* Finishing at the rim
* 3 point shooting
* Mid range scoring

And if you had to pick either one of them at their absolute best to be on your team vs the other one playing against you who do you pick?

[Airupthere]

Wow, another thread we don't need.

[hiphopanonymous]

Wow, another thread we don't need.
I have it on high authority that we definitely needed this thread

[Airupthere]

I have it on high authority that we definitely needed this thread

We expect people to objectively debate these topics on here right?

[TheCorporation]

MJ does nothing better than LBJ except maybe dunking and losing early in the playoffs

[Airupthere]

MJ does nothing better than LBJ except maybe dunking and losing early in the playoffs

Right on cue, mi amigo

[hiphopanonymous]

We expect people to objectively debate these topics on here right?

I hope so, you never know today could be a really good day for honest discussion on insidehoops!

[hiphopanonymous]

MJ does nothing better than LBJ except maybe dunking and losing early in the playoffs
So you don't even think he scores better?

[8Ball]

He's back!

[8Ball]

Who was better at:

* Overall offensive impact
* Individually scoring points
* Overall defensive impact
* Rebounding
* Clutch - making the big plays when they matter most
* Finishing at the rim
* 3 point shooting
* Mid range scoring

And if you had to pick either one of them at their absolute best to be on your team vs the other one playing against you who do you pick?

LeBron more offensive impact.
Jordan point scoring.
LeBron equal to Jordan defensively. But Bron is more defensive anchor in playoffs and versatile.
LeBron rebounding.
LeBron and Jordan equal in clutch.
LeBron finishing at rim.
LeBron 3 point shooting.
Jordan midrange.

I pick 2018 LeBron over any player in history.

[SouBeachTalents]

Overall offensive impact: Too close to call, Jordan's the better scorer and off ball player, LeBron's the better passer and playmaker

Individually scoring points: Jordan, he's the GOAT scorer

Overall defensive impact: Too close to call, Jordan's the better man to man defender, LeBron's more versatile

Rebounding: LeBron, though he obv has the advantage due to size

Clutch: Jordan, LeBron remains way too content being passive on final possessions, Jordan would be much more reliable needing a GW bucket and esp at the FT line

Finishing at the rim: Clearly LeBron

3 point shooting: Clearly LeBron

Mid range scoring: Jordan easily

As for your last question, who I would pick h2h would totally depend on the team around me. Two average teams, I'm picking LeBron, two contending teams, I'm picking Jordan

[light]

Who was better at:

* Overall offensive impact
* Individually scoring points
* Overall defensive impact
* Rebounding
* Clutch - making the big plays when they matter most
* Finishing at the rim
* 3 point shooting
* Mid range scoring

And if you had to pick either one of them at their absolute best to be on your team vs the other one playing against you who do you pick?

LeBron is better than Jordan in all of those things. Even mid range scoring, because he doesn't do it as much, which is better.

[paksat]

jordan jordan jordan jordan jordan jordan jordan jordan jordan

[Gudo]

- close
- jordan
- close but i choose jordan who i think can be more commited when he needs to
- close but probably lebron from the standpoint of being able to switch coverages from 1-5
- lebron
- jordan clearly
- different, jordan because of skills but lebron due to size
- lebron but i dont doubt that jordan would have shot decently in today’s league
- jordan clearly

I would pick jordan who is just an overall competitive person

[Kiddlovesnets]

MJ is better on every aspect that the OP mentioned, Lebron needs to focus on surpassing Magic and then Kareem in his career before even being compared to MJ, he ain’t eligible for GOAT anyway.

[Axe]

MJ is better on every aspect that the OP mentioned, Lebron needs to focus on surpassing Magic and then Kareem in his career before even being compared to MJ, he ain’t eligible for GOAT anyway.
Even rebounding? Wow, you are still delusional i guess.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Even rebounding? Wow, you are still delusional i guess.

Career ORPG: MJ 1.6, Lebron 1.2. Men lie, women lie, numbers don’t lie.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html

[dankok8]

Overall offensive impact - Jordan; much higher scoring volume on roughly same efficiency; slightly lower assists but way lower turnovers

Individually scoring points - Jordan by a mile

Overall defensive impact - Jordan; at their peaks like 1988-1991 Jordan vs. 2010-2013 Lebron it's a wash but career-wise it's MJ comfortably; Lebron had 5-6 elite defensive years and MJ had 8-9

Rebounding - Lebron clearly; in terms of offensive rebounding they are even but Lebron is a much better defensive rebounder

Clutch - Jordan clearly; crunch-time stats show this clearly

Finishing at the rim - Wash; Lebron has a higher shooting % at the rim but his era has a much higher average as well; finishing in congested lanes over 7-footers with fewer fouls calls isn't comparable to today's NBA

3pt shooting - Wash; neither guy is very good, not sure why this comparison is common

mid-range shooting - Jordan by a mile

[Manny98]

Overall offensive impact
I'd give the edge to MJ because he's lead more top offenses

Finisher at the rim

LeBron

3 point shooting

LeBron

Mid range

MJ

Which one at their absolute best

Depends on your team composition

Individual scoring

MJ

Overall defensive impact

LeBron had a better defensive peak but MJ was a more consistent defender, overall Lebron wins

Rebounding

Not worth comparing since LeBron is 2 inches taller + 50+ pounds heavier

Clutch

Tie, they're both clutch in different ways and it's hard to objectively compare clutch

[8Ball]

Career ORPG: MJ 1.6, Lebron 1.2. Men lie, women lie, numbers don’t lie.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html

Yeah numbers don't lie alright.

GTFO out of here Jordan stans.

Career regular season rpg:

LeBron 7.4
Jordan 6.2

Playoffs rpg

LeBron 9
Jordan 6.4


Men lie, women lie, Jordan stans lie the most.

[Axe]

Career ORPG: MJ 1.6, Lebron 1.2. Men lie, women lie, numbers don’t lie.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html
Imagine having a username that indicates his zeal for the nets yet deep inside, is actually a baldan stan. :oldlol:

Oh ish.

[MrFonzworth]

Who was better at:

* Overall offensive impact
* Individually scoring points
* Overall defensive impact
* Rebounding
* Clutch - making the big plays when they matter most
* Finishing at the rim
* 3 point shooting
* Mid range scoring

And if you had to pick either one of them at their absolute best to be on your team vs the other one playing against you who do you pick?

Offensive impact - LeBron

Scoring - Jordan

Defensive impact - Jordan

Rebounding - Lebron

Clutch - Jordan

Finishing at rim - LeBron

3 pt shooting - LeBron

Mid range scoring - Jordan

[Kiddlovesnets]

Yeah numbers don't lie alright.

GTFO out of here Jordan stans.

Career regular season rpg:

LeBron 7.4
Jordan 6.2

Playoffs rpg

LeBron 9
Jordan 6.4


Men lie, women lie, Jordan stans lie the most.

So MJ has significantly more offensive rebounds per game, which means hes better at rebounding against opponents. On the other hand, Lebron is significantly better at defensive rebounding, which means hes better at rebounding against his own teammates. What does this tell ya? Lebron simply steals his teammates' rebounds, even AD cant average double double playing along with him now. So whos the better rebounder? Its obvious.

[3ball]

Lebron's stats mean less because he had several equal-scoring teammates that got equal defensive attention (1b's).

Infact, everyone in history needed a 1b for half their rings - only Jordan won his rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less - so only Jordan faced "1-man team" coverage for his entire career, thus giving ultimate integrity to his #1 ranked production rate stats, aka PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, and PPG..

Kenny Smith talks about mj being the only 1-man show here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s


Ultimately, rings with 1b's < rings with 2nd options

In addition to better individual offense, Jordan's superior scoring versatility (on-ball and off-ball) fit with a wider range of player types and systems, thereby yielding goat team offense despite far less offensive help.. otoh, lebron never had a #1 offense in 2 decades despite goat offensive help

Ultimately, we can measure Jordan's triangles against Kobe/Shaq's - jordan's triangles had far bigger edges over league average ORTG than kobe/shaq's triangles.

[ThatCoolKid]

Who was better at:

* Overall offensive impact
* Individually scoring points
* Overall defensive impact
* Rebounding
* Clutch - making the big plays when they matter most
* Finishing at the rim
* 3 point shooting
* Mid range scoring

And if you had to pick either one of them at their absolute best to be on your team vs the other one playing against you who do you pick?

* Overall offensive impact (Lebron because of playmaking)
* Individually scoring points (MJ had the better pure scoring arsenal)
* Overall defensive impact (Lebron - superior size switchability could protect the paint better)
* Rebounding (Lebron - no question)
* Clutch - making the big plays when they matter most (MJ - better at hitting the last second shot, Lebron had more impact overall with playmaking/defense/getting to the basket and collapsing the defense in the last 5 minutes)
* Finishing at the rim (Lebron no question)
* 3 point shooting (Lebron no question)
* Mid range scoring (MJ better on the least efficient part of the floor)

[Axe]

Lebron's stats mean less because he had several equal-scoring teammates that got equal defensive attention (1b's).

Infact, everyone in history needed a 1b for half their rings - only Jordan won his rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less - so only Jordan faced "1-man team" coverage for his entire career, thus giving ultimate integrity to his #1 ranked production rate stats, aka PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, and PPG..

Kenny Smith talks about mj being the only 1-man show here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s


Ultimately, rings with 1b's < rings with 2nd options

In addition to better individual offense, Jordan's superior scoring versatility (on-ball and off-ball) fit with a wider range of player types and systems, thereby yielding goat team offense despite far less offensive help.. otoh, lebron never had a #1 offense in 2 decades despite goat offensive help

Ultimately, we can measure Jordan's triangles against Kobe/Shaq's - jordan's triangles had far bigger edges over league average ORTG than kobe/shaq's triangles.
Rubbish take as usual

[3ball]

Lebron's stats mean less because he had several equal-scoring teammates that got equal defensive attention (1b's).

Infact, everyone in history needed a 1b for half their rings - only Jordan won his rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less - so only Jordan faced "1-man team" coverage for his entire career, thus giving ultimate integrity to his #1 ranked production rate stats, aka PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, and PPG..

Kenny Smith talks about mj being the only 1-man show here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s


Ultimately, rings with 1b's < rings with 2nd options

In addition to better individual offense, Jordan's superior scoring versatility (on-ball and off-ball) fit with a wider range of player types and systems, thereby yielding goat team offense despite far less offensive help.. otoh, lebron never had a #1 offense in 2 decades despite goat offensive help

Ultimately, we can measure Jordan's triangles against Kobe/Shaq's - jordan's triangles had far bigger edges over league average ORTG than kobe/shaq's triangles.


^^^^ and why does Lebron has inferior team offense (lower team ortg's) and inferior individual offense (needs a 1b)???

First, let's tackle team offense - his on-ball concentration simply doesn't fit with certain player-types or yield the best strategy, aka ball movement (lebron has low assist teams because he lowers teammate assists).. ultimately, his ball-dominance doesn't shift defenses or wear down teams like the ball movement he faces on the championship level, so opponents are always fresher with more capacity to go off offensively..

Now let's tackle his individual offense - he can't win with 2nd options that average far less because he shoots poorly at the higher volume required (more contested jumpshooting).. so he requires a 1b to take defensive attention away and hit the contested jumpers in crunch time... And of course he dominates the ball - so he imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning).. Talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement, so lebron has a lottery record against the Spurs, Mavs and Warriors.

[8Ball]

So MJ has significantly more offensive rebounds per game, which means hes better at rebounding against opponents. On the other hand, Lebron is significantly better at defensive rebounding, which means hes better at rebounding against his own teammates. What does this tell ya? Lebron simply steals his teammates' rebounds, even AD cant average double double playing along with him now. So whos the better rebounder? Its obvious.

Defensive rebounds = stealing from your teammates according to kiddslovenets.

If LeBron would have decided to stop doing defensive rebounds you are directly implying his own teammates would have grabbed all of them.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Actually insanely stupid. But I don't expect much from Jordan stans.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Defensive rebounds = stealing from your teammates according to kiddslovenets.

It depends, if a player gets a lot of offensive rebounds in addition to a good number of defensive rebounds, then its a different story. In Lebron's case though, hes especially bad at offensive rebounding despite the fact that a big part of his game is to drive to the hoops for layups/dunks. Its inexcusable that MJ has 30-40% more ORPG than Lebron, despite being much shorter and relying more on jump shots. Its not a coincidence that Bosh, Love and AD's rebounding stats all suffered after pairing up with Lebron. However mad you are, you still cant explain the disparity of ORPG between MJ and Lebron.

[SATAN]

LeBron is better than Michael Jordan at basketball and life.

[3ball]

Rubbish take as usual


Kenny Smith and basically everyone agrees with me:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s


So it's you with the rubbish

Equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention - Lebron had them, so his stats were easier, while Jordan didn't, so his stats have more integrity.. it's fitting tbh because lebron lacks integrity (colluder.. impeach)

Ultimately, everyone in history needed an equal-scoring teammate (1b) for at least half their rings, except Jordan, so only Jordan faced "1-man team" coverage for his entire career, as Kenny alludes to

[SATAN]

Imagine actually quoting Kenny Smith to back up your bs :oldlol:

[3ball]

Imagine actually quoting Kenny Smith to back up your bs :oldlol:


No one refuted him.. it was crickets except a couple guys mumbling agreement... big mouth Charles was shut up for once in his life

And the stats show it - Jordan is the only guy that didn't have an equal-scoring teammate to attract equal defensive attention... everyone in history needed an equal-scoring teammate (1b) for at least half their rings, except Jordan, so only Jordan faced "1-man team" coverage for his entire career, as Kenny alludes to.

[BigShotBob]

Anyone that thinks Lebron at his peak was a better defender than MJ at his peak has zero numbers or evidence to back up their claim.

[kawhileonard2]

Jordan for all even ESPN proves it

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29187444/michael-jordan-better-lebron-james-every-way-says-poll-nba-fans

[TheCorporation]

Give me the guy who is leading MJ in every stat imaginable

Thanks

https://i.postimg.cc/kGSrjPvJ/LeBron_James_Dominates.png

[TheCorporation]

Anyone that thinks Lebron at his peak was a better defender than MJ at his peak has zero numbers or evidence to back up their claim.

LeBron has 2 FMVP runs with a playoff DRtg of 100 or less.

MJ has never done this.

PIPPEN always had the better DRtg over MJ. ALWAYS.

Next

:dancin

[Bronbron23]

Overall offensive impact: Too close to call, Jordan's the better scorer and off ball player, LeBron's the better passer and playmaker

Individually scoring points: Jordan, he's the GOAT scorer

Overall defensive impact: Too close to call, Jordan's the better man to man defender, LeBron's more versatile

Rebounding: LeBron, though he obv has the advantage due to size

Clutch: Jordan, LeBron remains way too content being passive on final possessions, Jordan would be much more reliable needing a GW bucket and esp at the FT line

Finishing at the rim: Clearly LeBron

3 point shooting: Clearly LeBron

Mid range scoring: Jordan easily

As for your last question, who I would pick h2h would totally depend on the team around me. Two average teams, I'm picking LeBron, two contending teams, I'm picking Jordan

This

[WhiteKyrie]

Lots of odd stupid redundancy in the questions, let’s simplify

Overall Offensive Impact - Jordan
Overall Defensive Impact - Jordan
Rebounding - LeBron
Clutch - Jordan
Longevity - LeBron

Add a few more meaningful ones

Leadership - Jordan
Culture Creation - Jordan
Mental Toughness - Jordan
Quality of Talent Supporting Cast - LeBron
Impact on Winning - Jordan

So, Jordan > LeBron, as we all know. Nothing new was learned.

Also anyone saying LeBron over Jordan at the rim is off their rocker.

[3ball]

Jordan averaged more offensive rebounds than lebron

And more ppg, steals, team assists, team offenses, clutch, less turnovers, better efficiency per possession, better PER, BPM, WS/48 and VORP seasons

f'ing everything

All without an equal scoring teammate to attract equal defensive attention.

Btw, Jordan created more assists personally by getting assists himself and being an assist TARGET for teammates (off-ball)