Tom Brady is the most accomplished athlete in North American sports in the modern era

[Wally450]

10 Super Bowl appearances
7 Lombardi trophies
4 (probably 5 once they announce it) Super Bowl MVPs
3 MVPs

20 years and 43 years old.

He still continues to prove people wrong.

Sorry, Montana, sorry Manning, sorry Rodgers, sorry Mahomes...


Tom Brady is the Greatest of all Time!

[warriorfan]

Anyone trying to detract from Brady at this point will always end up looking like a nut

The only knock you can have on Brady is that he did benefit from lots of rule changes made to open up the game and extend players careers. Even that being said it’s a pretty tough argument going against Brady at this point.

The truth is you can’t really compare across eras. There is many goats, goats for each era.

Brady is still truly one of a kind, we will never see anyone do the things he did again.

[bladefd]

Definitely the GOAT for football, but he didn't exactly dominate like Jordan if we go across sports.

Jordan broke all the individual/skills records while winning consistently. Brady won consistently but he hasn't exactly dominated unlike anyone else in history like Jordan did. Who would come closest to Jordan in pure domination? Maybe Kobe for a couple stretches but he wasn't as efficient as MJ. Kareem probably. Durant if he wins a few more chips. Magic/Bird had too short careers to consider. Mr Russell is arguable but he didn't quite dominate individually like Jordan. Wilt? Sadly he wasn't exactly a winner until the end of career, but I would bring into question his size advantage against his peers versus talent/skill. Jerry West not exactly a winner and doesn't belong in same sentence as MJ from skill perspective. Shaq is possible argument for pure domination and winning at same time. Shaq, like Wilt, also becomes an argument between size/height giving him advantage versus talent. The only clear comparison to Jordan is Kareem in talent comparison.

For NFL qbs, individual talent/records probably goes in this time order: Marino > Favre > Peyton > Brees/Rodgers so far in modern history of football... Yes, Brady is the greatest qb in history, but there are a couple of best qbs in history candidates over him in Peyton/Rodgers imo. Mahomes has some ways to go but he is well on his way there to break records set by Peyton/Rodgers/Brees.

[Nanners]

Definitely the GOAT for football, but he didn't exactly dominate like Jordan if we go across sports.

Jordan broke all the individual/skills records while winning consistently. Brady won consistently but he hasn't exactly dominated unlike anyone else in history like Jordan did. Who would come closest to Jordan in pure domination? Maybe Kobe for a couple stretches but he wasn't as efficient as MJ. Kareem probably. Durant if he wins a few more chips. Magic/Bird had too short careers to consider. Mr Russell is arguable but he didn't quite dominate individually like Jordan. Wilt? Sadly he wasn't exactly a winner until the end of career, but I would bring into question his size advantage against his peers versus talent/skill. Jerry West not exactly a winner and doesn't belong in same sentence as MJ from skill perspective. Shaq is possible argument for pure domination and winning at same time. Shaq, like Wilt, also becomes an argument between size/height giving him advantage versus talent. The only clear comparison to Jordan is Kareem in talent comparison.

For NFL qbs, individual talent/records probably goes in this time order: Marino > Favre > Peyton > Brees/Rodgers so far in modern history of football... Yes, Brady is the greatest qb in history, but there are a couple of best qbs in history candidates over him in Peyton/Rodgers imo. Mahomes has some ways to go but he is well on his way there to break records set by Peyton/Rodgers/Brees.

not to say that Brady is better than Jordan (I dont really think it makes sense to compare them)... but Jordan didnt exactly dominate like Brady either. Jordan had a higher peak than Brady, but IMO the fact that Brady has been consistently dominant for 20 years straight is just as impressive (especially in a game as punishing as football).

Jordan 3peating, then retiring, then coming back and 3peating again is insane and probably something we will never see again in any sport. Brady having more championship rings than any other NFL franchise is also insane and probably something we will never see again in any sport (Jordan would need 11 more rings to catch up with the Celtics and Lakers).

In regard to most "talented" QB - I agree that Brady is not the most talented in terms of throwing ability (or running obviously)... but there are other important skills for a NFL QB, like avoiding big mistakes (an interception can potentially be a 14 point swing... which is a huge in a sport where teams usually score 25-30 points). A big reason why Brady has been to the superbowl more times than Marino/Favre/Peyton/Brees/Rodgers COMBINED is because he is far better at avoiding catastrophic mistakes than any of those guys.

[GOBB]

Prisoners of the moment. Plenty of athletes have accomplished more than Brady. And that’s no knock on him because he accomplished a lot in football. But when you go beyond football? You’re wrong.

[Nanners]

Prisoners of the moment. Plenty of athletes have accomplished more than Brady. And that’s no knock on him because he accomplished a lot in football. But when you go beyond football? You’re wrong.

who is more accomplished exactly?

[CelticBaller]

Prisoners of the moment. Plenty of athletes have accomplished more than Brady. And that’s no knock on him because he accomplished a lot in football. But when you go beyond football? You’re wrong.

at least name them. Do you mean guys like Michael Phelps?

[GOBB]

who is more accomplished exactly?

Quite a few people. Bill Russell, Yogi Berra, Federer, Jack Nicklaus, Jordan, Gretzky, Phelps, Serena

[Wally450]

What we've seen in sports since 2000 with Brady will never be replicated by anyone in any sport.

He is a god.

[Nanners]

Quite a few people. Bill Russell, Yogi Berra, Federer, Jack Nicklaus, Jordan, Gretzky, Phelps, Serena

Several of the people you listed here arent even the GOAT of their sport, half of them play "sports" where you are a 1 man team (individual dominance is easier to exert when you dont have to rely on any teammates), and one of these people doesnt even qualify as an "athlete" in any meaningful sense (golf is a game). IMHO the only people on this list who deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Brady are Jordan and Gretzsky.

[tpols]

Gretzsky was so good, you could split his stats in half and each side would rank number 1 and number 2. It would be like a quarterback throwing 75 Tds in a season. MJ totally dominated on another level as well. Its not even close in terms of talents between those two and Brady. Brady is like Bill Russell, but even back in Russell's day Wilt was considered the superior player and talent.

[Nanners]

Bill Russel was dominant for sure... but considering he played in an era where there were 8 teams in the league and most of his opponents were little scrawny white men its kind of hard to compare him with any players who have dominated modern sports leagues.

If I was going to compare Brady vs Russel, I dont think I would ever say that a guy who is the undisputed GOAT of his sport is somehow less accomplished than a guy who is considered GOAT in his sport by virtually nobody and is often left off top 5/10 player lists entirely

[tpols]

Bill Russel was dominant for sure... but considering he played in an era where there were 8 teams in the league and most of his opponents were little scrawny white men its kind of hard to compare him with any players who have dominated modern sports leagues.

If I was going to compare Brady vs Russel, I dont think I would ever say that a guy who is the undisputed GOAT of his sport is somehow less accomplished than a guy who is considered GOAT in his sport by virtually nobody and is often left off top 5/10 player lists entirely

The centers back then were not scrawny at all. Go look at pictures of Nate Thurmond, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem, Willis Reed etc. Those guys were way bigger and more physically imposing than centers of today. Rudy Gobert is a top center today and he would get rag dolled by those guys. And less teams,meant Russell was constantly pitted head to head with Wilt. That's a major major matchup to be facing. Arnold said Wilt made him feel like a weakling.

[GOBB]

Several of the people you listed here arent even the GOAT of their sport, half of them play "sports" where you are a 1 man team (individual dominance is easier to exert when you dont have to rely on any teammates), and one of these people doesnt even qualify as an "athlete" in any meaningful sense (golf is a game). IMHO the only people on this list who deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Brady are Jordan and Gretzsky.

So much wrong here. First I listed players who accomplished a lot in their sport. Tom Brady SB rings/wins and his MVP was the only thing listed. Then what was asked is who accomplished more. I listed people who accomplished more. So now you tell me well some arent even considered the GOAT in their respective sport. Neither is Tom Brady. When you look up who is considered the greatest football player (not by position only) in history? Tom Brady name isnt at the top of that list. So you disqualify names from my list based on a criteria that even Tom Brady doesn't even meet. Tom Brady is not even top 10 greatest ATHLETE of all time if you want to play the semantics game of what an athlete truly is. What qualifies one as an athlete. Before I really go into it, lets define that so we are on the same page.

[GOBB]

Bill Russel was dominant for sure... but considering he played in an era where there were 8 teams in the league and most of his opponents were little scrawny white men its kind of hard to compare him with any players who have dominated modern sports leagues.

If I was going to compare Brady vs Russel, I dont think I would ever say that a guy who is the undisputed GOAT of his sport is somehow less accomplished than a guy who is considered GOAT in his sport by virtually nobody and is often left off top 5/10 player lists entirely

Again you keep shooting down peoples eras. Tom Brady plays in an era where you can't touch the QB. Tom Brady plays in an era that puts the defense at a handicap against offenses. You want to discredit Bill Russell era but ignore Tom Brady era? Interesting. Tom is not the undisputed GOAT of his sport, that is Jerry Rice. Russell won 11 out of 13 NBA titles. Tom Brady titles were highlighted in this thread as support of WHY he is the most accomplished. He also has MVPs another award highlighted in this thread to speak on what Tom accomplished. And you say Bill isn't qualified for most accomplished? Laughs.

[Clifton]

I'm a Patriots fan, not necessarily a Brady fan.. was still thrilled at what happened last night.

But I feel like I know a secret. That Brady is much more mortal than people realize.. that he benefitted from playing in an uncompetitive division for most of his career (as did Lebron benefit from playing in the East).. that he got very lucky and depended on his defense to pull him through his slumps. That as a pure QB performer he is not in a league of his own, but is in a top tier with at least a half-dozen names in it.

Brady because of his team's infrastructure and the division they played in, had a guaranteed pass to the second round of the playoffs every season. Remember when he got suspended and the Patriots went undefeated while he was out? Remember when he was out for the year and the Pats were still a .500 team?

I feel like I'm the only one who's noticed that Brady has almost never played more than two consecutive quarters of good football.

He's a great leader. He makes people stiffen their upper lip and believe in themselves. I do think he inspired that defensive performance in part. But the defense was the MVP of that game, not Brady. As it was two years ago as well. And as it was against the Seahawks.

If Mahomes' offensive line was healthy and could block, this is another Mahomes comeback game, and it becomes a coin flip.

All that said, if you win, you're the one who won, and the other guy is the one who lost. Brady has the GOAT resume by far, so he gets to be the GOAT.

Until Mahomes has a better resume, which he will, and is regarded as the GOAT, which he will be in 20 years. Because he has the infrastructure too, and more talent.

[Nanners]

The centers back then were not scrawny at all. Go look at pictures of Nate Thurmond, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem, Willis Reed etc. Those guys were way bigger and more physically imposing than centers of today. Rudy Gobert is a top center today and he would get rag dolled by those guys. And less teams,meant Russell was constantly pitted head to head with Wilt. That's a major major matchup to be facing. Arnold said Wilt made him feel like a weakling.

The hell are you talking about guys werent scrawny back then? Have you looked at the pictures?

Even the largest guys of that era (like the ones you just mentioned) are scrawny compared to most modern bball players. The science of strength+conditioning+nutrition has become miles more advanced since that era... ffs back in those days dudes were smoking cigs during halftime. Rudy Gobert has 20 lbs on Thurmond and Kareem and was the same weight as reed (Reed wasnt nearly as muscular, look at the pics)... the only one you mentioned who would have a chance of pushing him was Chamberlain. Anyway compared to other top centers Rudy is kind of scrawny, put Embiid or Jokic against Thurmond or Kareem (who both have a ~60ish lbs advantage) and it would be comical how easy they would get pushed around.

[GOBB]

I'm a Patriots fan, not necessarily a Brady fan.. was still thrilled at what happened last night.

But I feel like I know a secret. That Brady is much more mortal than people realize.. that he benefitted from playing in an uncompetitive division for most of his career (as did Lebron benefit from playing in the East).. that he got very lucky and depended on his defense to pull him through his slumps. That as a pure QB performer he is not in a league of his own, but is in a top tier with at least a half-dozen names in it.

Brady because of his team's infrastructure and the division they played in, had a guaranteed pass to the second round of the playoffs every season. Remember when he got suspended and the Patriots went undefeated while he was out? Remember when he was out for the year and the Pats were still a .500 team?

I feel like I'm the only one who's noticed that Brady has almost never played more than two consecutive quarters of good football.

He's a great leader. He makes people stiffen their upper lip and believe in themselves. I do think he inspired that defensive performance in part. But the defense was the MVP of that game, not Brady. As it was two years ago as well. And as it was against the Seahawks.

If Mahomes' offensive line was healthy and could block, this is another Mahomes comeback game, and it becomes a coin flip.

All that said, if you win, you're the one who won, and the other guy is the one who lost. Brady has the GOAT resume by far, so he gets to be the GOAT.

Until Mahomes has a better resume, which he will, and is regarded as the GOAT, which he will be in 20 years. Because he has the infrastructure too, and more talent.

Great post

[Nanners]

So much wrong here. First I listed players who accomplished a lot in their sport. Tom Brady SB rings/wins and his MVP was the only thing listed. Then what was asked is who accomplished more. I listed people who accomplished more. So now you tell me well some arent even considered the GOAT in their respective sport. Neither is Tom Brady. When you look up who is considered the greatest football player (not by position only) in history? Tom Brady name isnt at the top of that list. So you disqualify names from my list based on a criteria that even Tom Brady doesn't even meet. Tom Brady is not even top 10 greatest ATHLETE of all time if you want to play the semantics game of what an athlete truly is. What qualifies one as an athlete. Before I really go into it, lets define that so we are on the same page.

I disqualified names on your list because the title of this thread is "most accomplished athlete in north american sports in the modern era". You listed 2 people who are considered the GOATs in north american sports in the modern era, as well as a couple people who succeeded in past eras, a couple people who play 2nd or 3rd tier sports like tennis and swimming that nobody actually cares about, and a guy from a past era who was not an athlete and made a name for himself playing a game not a sport.

The only playing semantics here is you. If you cant see why Brady is an athlete and Jack Nicklaus isnt, I have doubts about whether you have actually watched/played football or golf. I am a decent golfer and I have senior citizen relatives who are 30-40 years older that can consistently destroy me on the golf course... but in any real sport like basketball/football/baseball/soccer/etc I would run circles around them.

[tpols]

The hell are you talking about guys werent scrawny back then? Have you looked at the pictures?

Even the largest guys of that era (like the ones you just mentioned) are scrawny compared to most modern bball players. The science of strength+conditioning+nutrition has become miles more advanced since that era... ffs back in those days dudes were smoking cigs during halftime. Rudy Gobert has 20 lbs on Thurmond and Kareem and was the same weight as reed (Reed wasnt nearly as muscular, look at the pics)... the only one you mentioned who would have a chance of pushing him was Chamberlain. Anyway compared to other top centers Rudy is kind of scrawny, put Embiid or Jokic against Thurmond or Kareem (who both have a ~60ish lbs advantage) and it would be comical how easy they would get pushed around.

Yea Rudy Gobert is going to push Kareem Wilt Russell and Thurmond around. :oldlol: That's hilarious.


You realize Kareem did battle with Wilt and hung 35 on him right? Yet Rudy Gobert and JOKIC of all people, whose not even a good defender, are going to clown him... Kareem Abdul Jabbar?

:roll:

c'mon man

Bill Russell played in a golden age of centers. Brady is playing in a golden age of QBs.

[GOBB]

I disqualified names on your list because the title of this thread is "most accomplished athlete in north american sports in the modern era". You listed 2 people who are considered the GOATs in north american sports in the modern era, as well as a couple people who succeeded in past eras, a couple people who play 2nd or 3rd tier sports like tennis and swimming that nobody actually cares about, and a guy from a past era who was not an athlete and made a name for himself playing a game not a sport.

The only playing semantics here is you. If you cant see why Brady is an athlete and Jack Nicklaus isnt, I have doubts about whether you have actually watched/played football or golf. I am a decent golfer and I have senior citizen relatives who are 30-40 years older that can consistently destroy me on the golf course... but in any real sport like basketball/football/baseball/soccer/etc I would run circles around them.

"Most accomplished" then proceeds to cite SB appearances, SB wins, MVPs. I listed people who accomplished more than what Tom did in that regad. That's just facts. Now you want to type nonsense like 2nd and 3rd tier sports, past era, this guy wasn't an athlete blah blah blah. Utter ****ing nonsense. Tom Brady is an athlete based on what? Give me your damn definition for a second time. Because you're sounding incredibly stupid. What is Tom Brady destroying anyone in? Lifting? No. Running? No. Tom is just throwing the ball. What makes him more of an athlete than Jack Nicklaus USING your logic? Where if you took the people you golfed with that handed your ass? You'd destroy them in soccer, baseball, football, basketball. Tom Brady is destroying what athlete in basketball, baseball, soccer, etc? Tom throws the ball for a living. He's not an explosive runner. He's never been one to use his legs even in his prime. What is he doing in other sports like you are when u take your golfing buddies (non athletes) to other sporting realms and destroy them. I'm waiting to hear this.

[Nanners]

Yea Rudy Gobery is going to push these guys around. :old lol:

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You realize Kareem did battle with Wilt and hung 35 on him right? Yet Rudy Gobery and JOKIC whose not even a good defender are going to clown him... Kareem Abdul Jabbar?

:roll:

I didnt say Rudy was going to push them around, I just pointed out that he has a 20lb weight advantage on two of the four guys you said would "ragdoll" him.

Kareem is undoubtedly one of the GOATs, and I wouldnt be surprised if a prime Kareem would be competitive Gobert or Jokic or Embiid (especially considering Kareems game was built around his soft touch, footwork, and misdirection, rather than brute strength). That said its absurd to suggest that someone like Kareem at 7'2" and 225lbs was more imposing than the centers of today when theres dudes like Embiid playing at 7'0 and 280lbs.

[tpols]

Yea but Wilt was like 300 lbs on the Lakers and Kareem had to box it out with him. So I can't see these other guys being an issue, but whatever.

[Patrick Chewing]

A lot of people here upset with having to acknowledge that Tom is the GOAT. :oldlol:

[Wally450]

Why does Gobb hate Brady so much? He doesn't want to give Brady credit.

[GrayGoat]

A lot of people here upset with having to acknowledge that Tom is the GOAT. :oldlol:

You can’t ignore him at this point. If you try to refute 7 rings plus all his playoff and regular season records and stats you just look like a retard. Brady is undisputed that is the part they hate

[GOBB]

Why does Gobb hate Brady so much? He doesn't want to give Brady credit.

Is Tom Brady great? Yes
Is Tom Brady a HOF? Yes
Does Tom Brady have arguably the best resume in football history? Yes
Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? Arguably yes
Is Tom Brady a winner? Yes
Is Tom Brady a leader? Yes
Does Tom Brady need Bill B? No
Did Tom Brady help Gronk, Antonio Brown, Fournette? Yes

I don’t hate Tom Brady I hate the silly narratives by the Brady bunch. I hate the Brady bunch which is comparable to Beyoncé Beehive. If me saying Jerry rice, Jim Brown, Lawrence Taylor, Deion Sanders were better football players in the all time rankings has you upset? Sorry not sorry. Doesn’t make me a hater.

[Nanners]

"Most accomplished" then proceeds to cite SB appearances, SB wins, MVPs. I listed people who accomplished more than what Tom did in that regad. That's just facts. Now you want to type nonsense like 2nd and 3rd tier sports, past era, this guy wasn't an athlete blah blah blah. Utter ****ing nonsense. Tom Brady is an athlete based on what? Give me your damn definition for a second time. Because you're sounding incredibly stupid. What is Tom Brady destroying anyone in? Lifting? No. Running? No. Tom is just throwing the ball. What makes him more of an athlete than Jack Nicklaus USING your logic? Where if you took the people you golfed with that handed your ass? You'd destroy them in soccer, baseball, football, basketball. Tom Brady is destroying what athlete in basketball, baseball, soccer, etc? Tom throws the ball for a living. He's not an explosive runner. He's never been one to use his legs even in his prime. What is he doing in other sports like you are when u take your golfing buddies (non athletes) to other sporting realms and destroy them. I'm waiting to hear this.

:roll:

Do you really not know what "athlete means", or are you just pretending to be stupid because you think somehow it will help your argument?

Athlete - noun - a person who competes in one or more sports that involve physical strength, speed or endurance.

You know who Tom Brady would destroy in lifting, running, basketball, baseball, soccer, and virtually any other test of athletic ability? Jack Nicklaus at any age. The only thing Jack is better at is hitting a ball with a stick in a big open field... if you want to call him an athlete then you might as well call pool players and bowlers athletes too.

[Patrick Chewing]

Why does Gobb hate Brady so much? He doesn't want to give Brady credit.

Cause the coach and QB who won a Super Bowl for Philly just a few years ago are already gone. :oldlol:

[Wally450]

Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? Arguably yes


There isn't an argument. Tom Brady is far and away the best QB ever.

[CelticBaller]

I feel like I'm the only one who's noticed that Brady has almost never played more than two consecutive quarters of good football.


This is hilariously wrong lol

[GOBB]

:roll:

Do you really not know what "athlete means", or are you just pretending to be stupid because you think somehow it will help your argument?

Athlete - noun - a person who competes in one or more sports that involve physical strength, speed or endurance.

You know who Tom Brady would destroy in lifting, running, basketball, baseball, soccer, and virtually any other test of athletic ability? Jack Nicklaus at any age. The only thing Jack is better at is hitting a ball with a stick in a big open field... if you want to call him an athlete then you might as well call pool players and bowlers athletes too.

Tom lacks in 2 of the 3. Yet he's more of an athlete than Jack Nicklaus based on? Jesus you're drowning yourself here. How do you know how much of an athlete Jack is in relation to Brady? You don't. It's perception, a perception where you envision an older Jack vs Tom. Its sad. Tom is not an athlete according to your definition. Its why he was drafted late. Shitty combine, which magnifies your athleticism which Tom lacks. Hes great for all things NOT PHYSICAL.

You called swimming a 2nd tier sport and Phelps is more of an athlete Tom ever was at any age in life. And swimming is all on you. It's not about any refs swaying the game. It's not about depending on your OL protecting you. Its not dependant on your kicker making a FG. All the boxes you defined with an athlete you lazily googled? Phelps checks the boxes and Brady only checks one, endurance. So who is the athlete here? It's phelps right? All Brady does is throw the ball. He doesn't play defense or special teams that can effect a game even if you have a perfect passer rating. Somehow football is more of a 1st tier spot than swimming or tennis. You sound dumb as hell, yiiiiikes

[GOBB]

There isn't an argument. Tom Brady is far and away the best QB ever.

I don't give a f*ck what you think. I just sh*tted on your moronic post saying i'm a hater. And instead of being a good boy and acknowledging you copy/paste one thing you disagree with. As if it has anything to do with what you initially said. You dudes are weird here.

But you're apart of the Brady bunch, trying to reason or talk sense to them is a waste of time.

[GrayGoat]

Brady has basically 3 hof careers combined into one

[Nanners]

Tom lacks in 2 of the 3. Yet he's more of an athlete than Jack Nicklaus based on? Jesus you're drowning yourself here. How do you know how much of an athlete Jack is in relation to Brady? You don't. It's perception, a perception where you envision an older Jack vs Tom. Its sad. Tom is not an athlete according to your definition. Its why he was drafted late. Shitty combine, which magnifies your athleticism which Tom lacks. Hes great for all things NOT PHYSICAL.

You called swimming a 2nd tier sport and Phelps is more of an athlete Tom ever was at any age in life. And swimming is all on you. It's not about any refs swaying the game. It's not about depending on your OL protecting you. Its not dependant on your kicker making a FG. All the boxes you defined with an athlete you lazily googled? Phelps checks the boxes and Brady only checks one, endurance. So who is the athlete here? It's phelps right? All Brady does is throw the ball. He doesn't play defense or special teams that can effect a game even if you have a perfect passer rating. Somehow football is more of a 1st tier spot than swimming or tennis. You sound dumb as hell, yiiiiikes


Imagine thinking that a 5'10" golfer could compete with a 6'4" NFL QB in any test of strength/speed/endurance

Imagine thinking a man who has absorbed over 500 NFL sacks is not an athlete

Tennis is a 2nd tier sport, swimming is probably 3rd or 4th tier. How many americans can name more than 1 pro swimmer? How many kids dream of a career in competitive swimming? How many americans watch swimming competitions more often than once every 4 years? Theres no question that Phelps is an insanely talented athlete and the GOAT swimmer, my point is that its easier to be GOAT in a sport that doesnt have millions of kids dreaming about going pro someday.

[GOBB]

Dumbest shit I’ve read in 2021 so far. Wow. And for the record there’s more to being an athlete than strength speed and endurance. One day you’ll realize that or not

[AlternativeAcc.]

Yeah you can't compare individual sport to football. Its not even close. Brady isn't even the best QB either, he's just had the luckiest circumstances. Mahomes is easily better than Brady. Being the GOAT in an individual sport means you're actually the goat. Being the 'goat of football' has way too many variables to be conclusive. Brady isnt actually the best football player ever. He's had easily the best circumstances therefore won the most

He's literally bill Russell and almost nobody calls Bill the goat or even most accomplished athlete. And he had way more to do with winning than Brady did since basketball relies more on individual play.

Phelps, bolt, woods, mayweather, shaq, lebron, trout, federer, Nadal, messi, Ronaldo (and many more) >>>> Brady

[GrayGoat]

Dumbest shit I’ve read in 2021 so far. Wow. And for the record there’s more to being an athlete than strength speed and endurance. One day you’ll realize that or not

Stats? Brady has those. Rings? Oh he has those too.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Brady wasn't the best player in regular season or post season

Umm... wait why does he credit in GOAT debates?

That doesn't make logical sense. Him not being the best player but still winning a ring PROVES football is thr ultimate team sport, and therefore his rings aren't even as close to as important as winning majors/championships/gold medals in individual sport. Its not even comparable

[GrayGoat]

Brady wasn't the best player in regular season or post season

Umm... wait why does he credit in GOAT debates?

That doesn't make logical sense. Him not being the best player but still winning a ring PROVES football is thr ultimate team sport, and therefore his rings aren't even as close to as important as winning majors/championships/gold medals in individual sport. Its not even comparable
How much money did you lose on the game last night?

[GOBB]

Stats? Brady has those. Rings? Oh he has those too.

Who said he had none of those things? No one. Nice irrelevant reply. What was mentioned is Brady is the most accomplished based on Sb appearances, Sb wins and MVPS. Nothing more nothing less. That’s not true. I already listed people who accomplished just as much of not more. So now we have people trying to define what an athlete is and eliminating sports to boost Brady up. There are a lot of errors in people’s post. Error 1 is Brady is the greatest football player of all time which includes all positions. That’s false. Error 2 Brady won the more titles out of any athlete all time. That’s false. Brady may have the best resume out of any football player. But when you talk sports in general? Not even close. Unless you’re some weirdo that eliminates players because they aren’t the GOAT in their sport, you give sports tiers and boost football to tier 1.

How is Tom Brady any more of an athlete than Pele, Messi? How is Tom Brady any more of an athlete than Bill Russell? He’s not. Bill has 11 rings and 5 MVPS. But because people never said he was the goat he doesn’t qualify as the most accomplished athlete. Lol Even tho the premise of this thread was based on championship titles won and MVP awards collected. People in here moving the goal post left and right like Oompa Loompas

[AlternativeAcc.]

How much money did you lose on the game last night?

None. Im not a retard who bets on sports.. that shit is for amateurs

I'm a miionaire investor, not a degenerate

[BigKobeFan]

Prisoners of the moment. Plenty of athletes have accomplished more than Brady. And that’s no knock on him because he accomplished a lot in football. But when you go beyond football? You’re wrong.

Who?

[GOBB]

Who?

Read

[Manny98]

LeBron would have accomplished more by the time he's finished

[ArbitraryWater]

He's also a great IQ test for the human population.

[highwhey]

LeBron would have accomplished more by the time he's finished

brady is the goat of football, but he only plays 50% of the game.

lebron has dominated basketball for 100% of the game.

[Clifton]

If me saying Jerry rice, Jim Brown, Lawrence Taylor, Deion Sanders were better football players in the all time rankings has you upset? Sorry not sorry. Doesn’t make me a hater.
Doesn't the GOAT football player have to be a QB? It's by far the most important position in the sport. Everything else is done by committee.

In my mind the only way one player can have more impact than a good QB is by going after the other team's QB. So I might spot you LT. But would you really take Jerry Rice over any of the 6 all-time greatest QBs?


How is Tom Brady any more of an athlete than Pele, Messi? How is Tom Brady any more of an athlete than Bill Russell? He’s not. Bill has 11 rings and 5 MVPS. But because people never said he was the goat he doesn’t qualify as the most accomplished athlete.
There's a league parity factor with Russell, his league had 8 teams and Brady's has 32, and a salary cap, and free agency. Brady also has played almost twice as long.

But I agree with you, Brady isn't a tier 1 historical athlete in my mind. He's not Jordan or Ali. He's more like Lebron. Based on strength of resume you'll always have to include him, but those who were there know. He was mortal.

[guy]

Brady is definitely GOAT football player. But from an absolute standpoint, its not really that possible for a football player to be as great as the greatest basketball players ever in my opinion. They just don't impact their game as much. They literally don't play one side of the ball and the outcomes of games are not as dependent on the individual brilliance of one player. Brady has super bowl wins where he wasn't even that relevant relative to your average QB. 1 of the 2 wins Peyton has came from him being almost a backup level QB. On the other hand, even when Jordan has a relatively bad finals, he's still arguably the biggest reason and/or at least played a part in the biggest reason (defense) that they won. And unlike in football, your best player can’t play the way Lebron played in the 2011 finals and still expect to win.

Furthermore, its not like Brady or any great football player has consistently been the best player in the league year in and year out from beginning to end the way Jordan and Lebron were. Brady has 3 MVPs. Peyton has 5 and Rodgers has 3 all occurring during Brady’s career.

From a relative standpoint, Brady is like Jordan and Lebron combined into one. He has the winning, clutch ability and leadership that Jordan had while also having the make anyone a contender ability and longevity that Lebron has.

[1987_Lakers]

Yea Rudy Gobert is going to push Kareem Wilt Russell and Thurmond around. :oldlol: That's hilarious.


You realize Kareem did battle with Wilt and hung 35 on him right? Yet Rudy Gobert and JOKIC of all people, whose not even a good defender, are going to clown him... Kareem Abdul Jabbar?

:roll:

c'mon man

Bill Russell played in a golden age of centers. Brady is playing in a golden age of QBs.

No he didn't, the 70's & 90's produced better centers.

[TheMan]

My argument for Brady not being the GOAT athlete is simple...Brady only plays on offense, there were times when the Pats defense was the biggest reason they won, not saying Brady was carried but he has no say in defense unlike a basketball player like MJ who plays on an elite level on both the offense and defense. Tampa beat KC because that pass rush had Mahomes running for his life, Brady played well of course but against Green Bay, Rodgers outplayed him but Tampa's defense covered for Brady's numerous INTs in that game. Brady is a GOAT NFL football player but you can't compare him with other athletes who have to play defense and aren't sitting on the sidelines waiting for their turn on offense. KAJ is a more accomplished athlete than Brady in that regard, so is MJ and LeBron amongst others.

[1987_Lakers]

Brady is definitely GOAT football player. But from an absolute standpoint, its not really that possible for a football player to be as great as the greatest basketball players ever in my opinion. They just don't impact their game as much. They literally don't play one side of the ball and the outcomes of games are not as dependent on the individual brilliance of one player. Brady has super bowl wins where he wasn't even that relevant relative to your average QB. 1 of the 2 wins Peyton has came from him being almost a backup level QB. On the other hand, even when Jordan has a relatively bad finals, he's still arguably the biggest reason and/or at least played a part in the biggest reason (defense) that they won. And unlike in football, your best player can’t play the way Lebron played in the 2011 finals and still expect to win.

Furthermore, its not like Brady or any great football player has consistently been the best player in the league year in and year out from beginning to end the way Jordan and Lebron were. Brady has 3 MVPs. Peyton has 5 and Rodgers has 3 all occurring during Brady’s career.

From a relative standpoint, Brady is like Jordan and Lebron combined into one. He has the winning, clutch ability and leadership that Jordan had while also having the make anyone a contender ability and longevity that Lebron has.

This is a great point. Guys like Kareem, MJ, & LeBron were considered the best player in the NBA for a decade+, no NFL player has that type of dominance, at least from the QB position. Jerry Rice was probably considered a top 3 NFL player for a decade+, but at the end of the day he was only a WR, which limits his impact on a game.

[GOBB]

Doesn't the GOAT football player have to be a QB? It's by far the most important position in the sport. Everything else is done by committee.

In my mind the only way one player can have more impact than a good QB is by going after the other team's QB. So I might spot you LT. But would you really take Jerry Rice over any of the 6 all-time greatest QBs?

Yes I would take Rice as well as Reggie White to add. The “important position” argument doesn’t fly when a QB is dependent on the OL. Perfect example is the previous SB. If anything that defense was the SB MVP not Brady. The chiefs were held to 9pts. No one saw that happening. Mahommes ran for his life the entire game.

[72-10]

I think the modern era started in 1981. Others think it's 1992. Still others lobby it started in 1998.

[CelticBaller]

Doesn't the GOAT football player have to be a QB? It's by far the most important position in the sport. Everything else is done by committee.

In my mind the only way one player can have more impact than a good QB is by going after the other team's QB. So I might spot you LT. But would you really take Jerry Rice over any of the 6 all-time greatest QBs?


There's a league parity factor with Russell, his league had 8 teams and Brady's has 32, and a salary cap, and free agency. Brady also has played almost twice as long.

But I agree with you, Brady isn't a tier 1 historical athlete in my mind. He's not Jordan or Ali. He's more like Lebron. Based on strength of resume you'll always have to include him, but those who were there know. He was mortal.

LeBron is the greatest North American athlete when it comes to pure athletic talent

[HighFlyer23]

LeBron is the greatest North American athlete when it comes to pure athletic talent

I will say that he's definitely up there ... there are some NFL players and guys in other sports that are there as well but Lebron is an athletic freak

[Mask the Embiid]

you wish boston scum :oldlol:but nice try

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1 starred btw

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Another win for team white:cheers:

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