Lebum will never be the G.O.A.T

[LeCramp]

https://i.imgur.com/BvYGxd2.jpg

[MaxPlayer]

Nice contribution to humanity

[LAmbruh]

Nice contribution to humanity

:roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

VERY persuasive arguments :applause:

[Axe]

He's still king

[Airupthere]

He's still king

:oldlol: whatever that means

[Axe]

:oldlol: whatever that means
But i really do mean it lil fella

[Airupthere]

But i really do mean it lil fella

then sad for you calling someone else king, falling into this "chosen one" hero crap

[Axe]

then sad for you calling someone else king, falling into this "chosen one" hero crap
:cry:

[Hey Yo]

then sad for you calling someone else king, falling into this "chosen one" hero crap

I thought you didnt know what King referred to?

:oldlol:

[8Ball]

They said the same thing about Brady.

LeBron = inevitability.

[k 96]

LeHype James was disqualified from the G.O.A.T. conversation as soon as he gave himself the nickname "King." The bum is a proven loser, and will never be anything but a LOSER. The bum has an abysmal record in the Finals, 4 of 10. He led the USA Olympic team to a LeBRONZE medal. Got dunked on by a college cheer leader. Hes been carried by David Stern, Adam Silver, Dwayne Wade, Kyrie Irving, Anthony Davis, and ESPN to all of his championship rings. The guy really is a ROLE PLAYER.

Le Hype 4 of 10 James

[Shooter]

Nice contribution to humanity

:lol :roll:

[k0kakw0rld]

LeHype James was disqualified from the G.O.A.T. conversation as soon as he gave himself the nickname "King." The bum is a proven loser, and will never be anything but a LOSER. The bum has an abysmal record in the Finals, 4 of 10. He led the USA Olympic team to a LeBRONZE medal. Got dunked on by a college cheer leader. Hes been carried by David Stern, Adam Silver, Dwayne Wade, Kyrie Irving, Anthony Davis, and ESPN to all of his championship rings. The guy really is a ROLE PLAYER.

Le Hype 4 of 10 James

You are wasting your breathe and time. Your opinion doesn't matter so stfu and disappear you piece of shit.

[3ball]

You are wasting your breathe and time. Your opinion doesn't matter so stfu and disappear you piece of shit.


Okay let's remove opinion and just use facts


* worst championship record in 3-pointer history - lottery record in the Finals

* lost as favorite or even money 4 times (09', 10', 11', 14')

* lost to 1-star teams twice as the favorite (09', 11')

* perennial Finals underdog with super-teams

* zero #1 offenses in 2 decades of playing

* zero wins against top 5 SRS teams with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick (no carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing)


* he's an "assist hog" - aka high personal assists but low team assists - because he's rarely an assist TARGET (off-ball)

* can't win with 2nd option that scores far less because he shoots poorly at the higher volume required (contested jumpshooting)

* needed equal-scoring teammate for half of rings (needed a 1b) - equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so rings with 1b's < rings with 2nd options that average far less... Ultimately, lebron needed elite 1st option to play 2nd and 3rd options

[TheGoatest]

:oldlol:

LeBron became the undisputed GOAT when he won his 4th Finals MVP with his 3rd team.
Anything he does from now on is another nail in the coffin for everyone else's case at being the GOAT. And breaking Kareem's scoring record won't just be a nail in the coffin, it will be some Chernobyl-style led coffins that are welded shut and then buried in cement type of shit for everyone else's case:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlbiA_EZuPc

[3ball]

.

Pre-lebron

2010 Wade.... 28 PER... 9.2 BPM
2010 Kobe..... 21 PER... 4.4 BPM

2010 Bosh.... 6x all-star (pre-lebron)
2007 Pau...... 1x all-star (pre-kobe)


No one respects Lebron teaming up with all the best players and mostly losing at each stop

He went 2/4 with Kobe-Pau II... 1/4 with Kyrie.. Lottery in West without AD

[k0kakw0rld]

Okay let's remove opinion and just use facts


* worst championship record in 3-pointer history - lottery record in the Finals

* lost as favorite or even money 4 times (09', 10', 11', 14')

* lost to 1-star teams twice as the favorite (09', 11')

* perennial Finals underdog with super-teams

* zero #1 offenses in 2 decades of playing

* zero wins against top 5 SRS teams with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick (no carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing)


* he's an "assist hog" - aka high personal assists but low team assists - because he's rarely an assist TARGET (off-ball)

* can't win with 2nd option that scores far less because he shoots poorly at the higher volume required (contested jumpshooting)

* needed equal-scoring teammate for half of rings (needed a 1b) - equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so rings with 1b's < rings with 2nd options that average far less... Ultimately, lebron needed elite 1st option to play 2nd and 3rd options
Fine, but If I was to make a list to convince you that LeBron is the GOAT, it would take days for you to read it because there is so much to say. All superstars have flaws, including Jordan and Bron too. We never said he was perfect but he is surely THE GOAT.

[Manny98]

.

Pre-lebron

2010 Wade.... 28 PER... 9.2 BPM
2010 Kobe..... 21 PER... 4.4 BPM

2010 Bosh.... 6x all-star (pre-lebron)
2007 Pau...... 1x all-star (pre-kobe)


No one respects Lebron teaming up with all the best players and mostly losing at each stop

He went 2/4 with Kobe-Pau II... 1/4 with Kyrie.. Lottery in West without AD
Wade & Bosh couldn't get out of the first round pre-LeBron :oldlol:

[Kiddlovesnets]

The 100% finals record is a necessary condition for GOAT, Lebron was already mathematically disqualified from GOAT conversation since 2007 when he lost in the Finals, there aint much to discuss anymore when we already have a definite answer.

[8Ball]

I already disproved this lousy thesis of kiddlove nets.

If finals wins are end all be all than Bill Russel > Jordan and LeBron.

But nobody with any intellect says that.

You keep wanting people to stop discussing it yet theres thousands of arguments happening everyday. It will never stop. Jordan is no longer undisputed GOAT. There is plenty of dispute.

[Airupthere]

The 100% finals record is a necessary condition for GOAT, Lebron was already mathematically disqualified from GOAT conversation since 2007 when he lost in the Finals, there aint much to discuss anymore when we already have a definite answer.

If Lebron had won after his first finals loss in similar dominance as MJ, 6/6 and 6 fmvps, he might have had a case.

But as soon as he decided to go the form a superteam route, and managed to lose 2x with that superteam, that chance went out the window.

[Kiddlovesnets]

I already disproved this lousy thesis of kiddlove nets.

If finals wins are end all be all than Bill Russel > Jordan and LeBron.

But nobody with any intellect says that.

You keep wanting people to stop discussing it yet theres thousands of arguments happening everyday. It will never stop. Jordan is no longer undisputed GOAT. There is plenty of dispute.

Your disapproval means nothing actually, the CBS Superbowl Live also recognized MJ as the GOAT of basketball.
https://www.italy24news.com/img/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Super-Bowl-what-a-CBS-gaffe-on-Ronaldos-5-Champions.png

[Tobio-Star]

Why is OP so shook about LeBron's imminent ring? Is he starting to realize that the Nets arent as good as he initally thought?

[Nike D'Antoni]

Your disapproval means nothing actually, the CBS Superbowl Live also recognized MJ as the GOAT of basketball.
https://www.italy24news.com/img/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Super-Bowl-what-a-CBS-gaffe-on-Ronaldos-5-Champions.png

Messi cannot be GOAT with 0 World cup titles, 0 goals in knockout stages of world cup. And with a 0 wins 4 losses finals record with Argentina.
Put Pele there,or Maradona or Brazilian Ronaldo or Zidane instead of Messi.

[GrayGoat]

The 100% finals record is a necessary condition for GOAT, Lebron was already mathematically disqualified from GOAT conversation since 2007 when he lost in the Finals, there aint much to discuss anymore when we already have a definite answer.

So Joe Montana’s 4/4 is better than Brady’s 7/10

[k0kakw0rld]

Your disapproval means nothing actually, the CBS Superbowl Live also recognized MJ as the GOAT of basketball.
https://www.italy24news.com/img/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Super-Bowl-what-a-CBS-gaffe-on-Ronaldos-5-Champions.png

Cristiano Ronaldo got 5 Champions league (won 3 in a row) + Won the European Cup with Portugal. What have Messi won with Argentina?

CR7 is THE GOAT And possibly the greatest athlete ever. STOP WITH THE DISRESPECT THANKS.

[Hey Yo]

.

Pre-lebron

2010 Wade.... 28 PER... 9.2 BPM
2010 Kobe..... 21 PER... 4.4 BPM

2010 Bosh.... 6x all-star (pre-lebron)
2007 Pau...... 1x all-star (pre-kobe)


No one respects Lebron teaming up with all the best players and mostly losing at each stop

He went 2/4 with Kobe-Pau II... 1/4 with Kyrie.. Lottery in West without AD

Pau was already a HOF lock before playing a single minute with Kobe.

[Bronbron23]

https://i.imgur.com/BvYGxd2.jpg

Nah he definitely can. Needs one more chip to tie mj and 6 will put him above mj. I give bron extra credit for 2016

[3ball]

Pau was already a HOF lock before playing a single minute with Kobe.


So Bosh was a 6-time lock

Bosh was a 6-time all-star before joining lebron, while Pau was a 1-timer before joining Kobe

And Wade > Kobe in 2010... So lebron joined Kobe-Pau II but went 2/4, including the goat choke and record loss - that's the worst anyone could do

You or I could do better than Lebron with Kobe-Pau II (just kidding but you get the point)

[light]

You're too late.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Screen-Shot-2021-02-09-at-11.12.07-AM.png

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https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Screen-Shot-2021-02-09-at-11.25.04-AM.png

Every day LeBron gains supporters while Jordan loses supporters - this is why MJ recently said that LeBron will be considered the GOAT by all in the future.

[3ball]

You're too late.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Screen-Shot-2021-02-09-at-11.12.07-AM.png

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Screen-Shot-2021-02-09-at-11.28.06-AM.png

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https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Screen-Shot-2021-02-09-at-11.25.04-AM.png

Every day LeBron gains supporters while Jordan loses supporters - this is why MJ recently said that LeBron will be considered the GOAT by all in the future.


- Doc Rivers said MJ was the better player (better at basketball) but lebron had a better resume

- Laimbeer/Isiah are Jordan's enemies

- Morey is a fat slob that thinks ball-dominance is the best strategy and brand of ball


^^^ all frauds, just like Bron... carry on...

[light]

- Doc Rivers said MJ was the better player (better at basketball) but lebron had a better resume

- Laimbeer/Isiah are Jordan's enemies

- Morey is a fat slob that thinks ball-dominance is the best strategy and brand of ball


^^^ all frauds, just like Bron... carry on...

I’m sorry but MJ himself has already predicted that by 2040 LeBron will be considered the GOAT over him.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Jordan-concedes.png

Nothing is going to stop it, 3ball.

Even Jordan knows that it's inevitable.

[tpols]

Yea lets take the bad boy piston's player's words on this debate. :oldlol:

[3ball]

I’m sorry but MJ himself has already predicted that by 2040 LeBron will be considered the GOAT over him.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Jordan-concedes.png

Nothing is going to stop it, 3ball.

Even Jordan knows that it's inevitable.


Historians will look at the facts and see that they're on Jordan's side

They'll be like, "what's this 4/10 shit and worst-ever championship record?... He mostly lost everywhere he went despite all that help?"

The facts are too obvious.. just too many losses and debacles.. no juggernauts.. no #1 offenses.. a lot of "no's"

[GrayGoat]

Historians will look at the facts and see that they're on Jordan's side

They'll be like, "what's this 4/10 shit and worst-ever championship record?... He mostly lost everywhere he went despite all that help?"

The facts are too obvious.. just too many losses and debacles.. no juggernauts.. no #1 offenses.. a lot of "no's"

Your posting history says all we need to know. 30k posts about LeBron and counting

[Hey Yo]

So Bosh was a 6-time lock

Bosh was a 6-time all-star before joining lebron, while Pau was a 1-timer before joining Kobe

And Wade > Kobe in 2010... So lebron joined Kobe-Pau II but went 2/4, including the goat choke and record loss - that's the worst anyone could do

You or I could do better than Lebron with Kobe-Pau II (just kidding but you get the point)
Unlike Gasol...Bosh wasn't a HOF lock before playing in Miami. He would have received zero votes on just his Toronto run

[And1AllDay]

They said the same thing about Brady.

LeBron = inevitability.

+1

issa wrap

[Airupthere]

I’m sorry but MJ himself has already predicted that by 2040 LeBron will be considered the GOAT over him.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Jordan-concedes.png

Nothing is going to stop it, 3ball.

Even Jordan knows that it's inevitable.

That's a very practical take on it. People will have a different perception in the future of past players and MJ respects that. Just like he hates being called GOAT because there is no comparison and no way to know. He could easily have trashed Jerry West but the respect remains.

It will be much easier for future generations to trash on Lebron because of his losing finals record, his ugly game, tons of compilation vid of his flopping, horrible footwork fails and travelling violations, etc out there on youtube. Kids wouldn't care about stats. They will watch his game and find nothing worth learning for them to get into the game. Narratives like colluding will persist. The flopping videos will persist. Videos of him being called a bitch by teammates and fans alike will persist.

[3ball]

Unlike Gasol...Bosh wasn't a HOF lock before playing in Miami. He would have received zero votes on just his Toronto run


Pau was HOF because of international play, including beating the US in 2002 World Games and winning in 2008 except Kobe saved USA

But in the NBA, Bosh was considered better with 6 times as many all-star games

[Axe]

I’m sorry but MJ himself has already predicted that by 2040 LeBron will be considered the GOAT over him.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Jordan-concedes.png

Nothing is going to stop it, 3ball.

Even Jordan knows that it's inevitable.
He's already the better player of the two but too bad not everyone can overlook the fact that he still has a losing record in the finals.

[3ball]

He's already the better player of the two but too bad not everyone can overlook the fact that he still has a losing record in the finals.


How can you be better if you mostly lose with super-teams

lol

it's impossible

you act like there aren't any holes in his game

He has weak jumpshooting skill (defers/avoids contested jumpers) and he's bad at ball movement (low assist teams)

This matters because lebron's weak shooting and ball-dominance doesn't shift defenses or wear down teams like the superior shooting and ball movement he faces on the championship level, so opponents are always fresher with more capacity to go off.. the plodding bron-ball loses the attrition battle on the championship level.. the common thread in his last 4 Finals losses is massive deficits in team assists.. but carry on being fooled by the WWE-NBA.. lol

[Uncle Drew]

How does one become that which he already is?

[RRR3]

Pau was HOF because of international play, including beating the US in 2002 World Games and winning in 2008 except Kobe saved USA

But in the NBA, Bosh was considered better with 6 times as many all-star games
Carlos Boozer was considered better than Pau at one point. Your arguments mean nothing. You’re actually retarded it is almost cruel to argue with you you’re so stupid. I’d be surprised if you can even tie your shoes tbh.

[3ball]

Carlos Boozer was considered better than Pau at one point.





Exactly, everyone was better than Pau, especially pre-lebron Bosh, who had 6 times as many all-star games as pre-kobe Pau

Thanks for making my point

Lebron teamed up with Kobe-Pau II and went 2/4, including the goat choke and record loss.. that's the worst anyone can do

[Walk on Water]

Steph Curry is the GOAT. He has 16 games of 10 threes or more. No player has 4 games. Goat is gonna goat.

[Nike D'Antoni]

Cristiano Ronaldo got 5 Champions league (won 3 in a row) + Won the European Cup with Portugal. What have Messi won with Argentina?

CR7 is THE GOAT And possibly the greatest athlete ever. STOP WITH THE DISRESPECT THANKS.

Messi is a fraud :rockon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh0DkjBkbxA&ab_channel=SPORTSNET

[Mr. Woke]

To me LeBron is already the GOAT.

[LeCramp]

Pau was HOF because of international play, including beating the US in 2002 World Games and winning in 2008 except Kobe saved USA

But in the NBA, Bosh was considered better with 6 times as many all-star games

I have kobe higher than lebum on my all time list.....what about you?

[3ball]

I have kobe higher than lebum on my all time list.....what about you?


For sure.. you can't be anywhere near Kobe if you have sub-par jumpshooting skill and are bad at ball movement (aka assist hog.. low assist teams), while being a perennial loser/underdog with super-teams ...

If your skillset is limited and therefore doesn't fit with certain player types, thus resulting in worse teams than Kobe had - then you aren't on Kobe's level

So Kobe is in a different dimension - aka Bird, Jordan, etc... Lebron's skillset is like Westbrook or wall, except he's taller

[LeCramp]

For sure.. you can't be anywhere near Kobe if you have sub-par jumpshooting skill and are bad at ball movement (aka assist hog.. low assist teams), while being a perennial loser/underdog with super-teams ...

If your skillset is limited and therefore doesn't fit with certain player types, thus resulting in worse teams than Kobe had - then you aren't on Kobe's level

So Kobe is in a different dimension - aka Bird, Jordan, etc... Lebron's skillset is like Westbrook or wall, except he's taller

You sir are a GOAT on these forums!! LEGGO!!

[csh19792001]

Steph Curry is the GOAT. He has 16 games of 10 threes or more. No player has 4 games. Goat is gonna goat.

There are about 7 times as many 3 point shots attempted, per game, as there were in Larry Bird's time. Of course Curry is going to have the most shots made and attempted.

The breakaway rim was introduced in the 1981-1982 season, and the double breakaway rim, 2009-2010. The first was a watershed change, the second, a tremendous boost to outside shooting in general, ushering in the latest era in NBA History. Both increased shooting and long distance shooting percentage significantly.

https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=4620192

Larry Bird's league adjusted career 3 point percentage was 127 (27% better than the league average for his career). Curry's is 122.

My point is that Bird would have attempted far more 3's playing his prime 30 years later, and would have been every bit as deadly as Curry.

He just happened to play in "The Deadball Era" for 3 point shooting.

[Walk on Water]

To me LeBron is already the GOAT.



What do you mean? Curry is a fabulous player. Lebron would love to have his ability to shoot. Curry is the greatest player I ever saw.

[Walk on Water]

There are about 7 times as many 3 point shots attempted, per game, as there were in Larry Bird's time. Of course Curry is going to have the most shots made and attempted.

The breakaway rim was introduced in the 1981-1982 season, and the double breakaway rim, 2009-2010. The first was a watershed change, the second, a tremendous boost to outside shooting in general, ushering in the latest era in NBA History. Both increased shooting and long distance shooting percentage significantly.

https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=4620192

Larry Bird's league adjusted career 3 point percentage was 127 (27% better than the league average for his career). Curry's is 122.

My point is that Bird would have attempted far more 3's playing his prime 30 years later, and would have been every bit as deadly as Curry.

He just happened to play in "The Deadball Era" for 3 point shooting.



Bird shot 37 percent on 3s and shot LESS. He had some years where he shot in the 20 percentile. He might have been a smaller Dirk Nowitski.

[3ball]

What do you mean? Curry is a fabulous player. Lebron would love to have his ability to shoot. Curry is the greatest player I ever saw.


Curry can be argued over lebron because of his superior impact on the game and brand of this era

He won 70 with klay, while lebron won 50 with Kyrie because Curry invented a superior brand that the league had to catch up to - lebron lacked the jumpshooting skill to be on this forefront of cutting edge brand, so his teams had lower ceilings than Curry's

[LeCramp]

Curry can be argued over lebron because of his superior impact on the game and brand of this era

He won 70 with klay, while lebron won 50 with Kyrie because Curry invented a superior brand that the league had to catch up to - lebron lacked the jumpshooting skill to be on this forefront of cutting edge brand, so his teams had lower ceilings than Curry's

Whats Curry's 1 on 1 matchup against lebum? Isn't Curry winning that so far?

[csh19792001]

Bird shot 37 percent on 3s and shot LESS. He had some years where he shot in the 20 percentile. He might have been a smaller Dirk Nowitski.

Again, Bird's career, league adjusted shooting percentage was 127. 27% better than all other players. Curry's is 122. 22% better than average.

Why?

You do realize that he played without breakaway rims his first several years, correct? Look at the league 3 point percentage from 1980-1985. It was .259.

You do realize that Curry has played in a league with no hand check, no defensive physicality for guards, and a double breakaway rim, correct? The 3 point percentage for the league for Curry's career is .357.

Drastically easier to shoot and make 3's in this era. And for shooting, in general.

[Mr. Woke]

What do you mean? Curry is a fabulous player. Lebron would love to have his ability to shoot. Curry is the greatest player I ever saw.

Nope. LeBron and KD are better than Curry IMO.

[TheMan]

Wade & Bosh couldn't get out of the first round pre-LeBron :oldlol:

Huh? Wade won an NBA title and Finals MVP long before LeBron created the Super Friends Heat?

[Airupthere]

Huh? Wade won an NBA title and Finals MVP long before LeBron created the Super Friends Heat?

:oldlol: at Super Friends. What a comedic move by Bron.

[Manny98]

Huh? Wade won an NBA title and Finals MVP long before LeBron created the Super Friends Heat?

That was in 2006

Between 2007-2010 Wade & Bosh didn't win a single playoff series and even missed the playoffs entirely a couple of times

[TheMan]

That was in 2006

Between 2007-2010 Wade & Bosh didn't win a single playoff series and even missed the playoffs entirely a couple of times

I know that but the way you wrote that lumping Wade with Bosh makes it seem like Wade was a perennial first round exit.

[Axe]

I know that but the way you wrote that lumping Wade with Bosh makes it seem like Wade was a perennial first round exit.
And wade was already a former fmvp by the time bran joined the heat a decade ago

[2much_knowledge]

https://i.imgur.com/BvYGxd2.jpg

And water is wet. We all know this. On to the next topic

[Fedor - Laker]

Bron haters will always hate! Nothing changes.

[FireDavidKahn]

Jordan literally quit the league 2 times in his prime.

That's yall's GOAT?

:roll:

[2much_knowledge]

Jordan literally quit the league 2 times in his prime.

That's yall's GOAT?

:roll:

Yet , he has more accolades than lebron and kobe combined while retiring twice in his prime. With time to spare. Its embarrassing that the player the media wants to push as the next goat still in 18 years hasn't done half of what Mj did in just 11 full seasons. While having way more allstar teammates too. Big lol

[FireDavidKahn]

Yet , he has more accolades than lebron and kobe combined while retiring twice in his prime. With time to spare. Its embarrassing that the player the media wants to push as the next goat still in 18 years hasn't done half of what Mj did in just 11 full seasons. While having way more allstar teammates too. Big lol

Quitting twice in your prime because you aren't mentally able to keep going disqualifies you from GOAT conversation

[Chick Stern]

Yet , he has more accolades than lebron and kobe combined while retiring twice in his prime. With time to spare. Its embarrassing that the player the media wants to push as the next goat still in 18 years hasn't done half of what Mj did in just 11 full seasons*. While having way more allstar teammates too. Big lol
*during the weakest NBA decade

[8Ball]

LeBron already the GOAT.

Thread doesn't apply.

[2much_knowledge]

Quitting twice in your prime because you aren't mentally able to keep going disqualifies you from GOAT conversation

Try losing your father via murder and having a scumbag of a gm with a inferiority complex to fire the best coach in history. Go watch the last dance, and come back more prepared ;)

[2much_knowledge]

*during the weakest NBA decade

Weaker than the 60s and 70s... right

[bullettooth]

Yet , he has more accolades than lebron and kobe combined while retiring twice in his prime. With time to spare. Its embarrassing that the player the media wants to push as the next goat still in 18 years hasn't done half of what Mj did in just 11 full seasons. While having way more allstar teammates too. Big lol

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Denzel-Washington-Boom-Gif.gif

LOL @ LEBRON FANS

[FireDavidKahn]

Try losing your father via murder and having a scumbag of a gm with a inferiority complex to fire the best coach in history. Go watch the last dance, and come back more prepared ;)

So what you're saying is that Jordan wasn't mentally tough enough.

Social media wasn't even around back then.

I can't even imagine MJ having to deal with social media, he'd kill himself

[Hey Yo]

Try losing your father via murder and having a scumbag of a gm with a inferiority complex to fire the best coach in history. Go watch the last dance, and come back more prepared ;)

MJ said in the last dance that he talked about quitting the league with his father even before the season was over. He said he was mentally exhausted. Maybe it's you who needs to watch it.

He was the league MVP and FMVP. Instead of trying to win more titles, he quit the league again. Any other player in history accomplish that and quit the following season?

[light]

MJ said in the last dance that he talked about quitting the league with his father even before the season was over. He said he was mentally exhausted. Maybe it's you who needs to watch it.

He was the league MVP and FMVP. Instead of trying to win more titles, he quit the league again. Any other player in history accomplish that and quit the following season?

This is true. MJ couldn't hack the spotlight if it included criticism and negative press.

Jordan was already planning his baseball career with the White Sox before his father died.

After the 1993 season he had talked with White Sox GM Ron Schueler and they came up with a plan for him to play a few games for the Hickory, N.C., Crawdads. He got the news of his father missing (eventually found murdered) after those plans were already in place.

This is from the updated epilogue of The Jordan Rules:

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Michael-Couldnt-Hack-It.png

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/MJ-Crawdad.png

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/baseball-plans-on-hold.png

[FireDavidKahn]

This is true. MJ couldn't hack the spotlight if it included criticism and negative press.

Jordan was already planning his baseball career with the White Sox before his father died.

After the 1993 season he had talked with White Sox GM Ron Schueler and they came up with a plan for him to play a few games for the Hickory, N.C., Crawdads. He got the news of his father missing (eventually found murdered) after those plans were already in place.

This is from the updated epilogue of The Jordan Rules:

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Michael-Couldnt-Hack-It.png

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/MJ-Crawdad.png

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/baseball-plans-on-hold.png
With a quitting attitude like that no wonder that Madonna wanted nothing to do with MJ.

https://i.imgur.com/vyE0GhE.png

[2much_knowledge]

MJ said in the last dance that he talked about quitting the league with his father even before the season was over. He said he was mentally exhausted. Maybe it's you who needs to watch it.

He was the league MVP and FMVP. Instead of trying to win more titles, he quit the league again. Any other player in history accomplish that and quit the following season?

Which makes it more impressive. And contrary to popular hater believe, the first year as a wizard before the knee injury makes it beyong anyones grasp. But not even 10% of the people know all that happened in Washington. Ill gladly explain to any of you what i mean by that

[Axe]

MJ said in the last dance that he talked about quitting the league with his father even before the season was over. He said he was mentally exhausted. Maybe it's you who needs to watch it.

He was the league MVP and FMVP. Instead of trying to win more titles, he quit the league again. Any other player in history accomplish that and quit the following season?

This is true. MJ couldn't hack the spotlight if it included criticism and negative press.

Jordan was already planning his baseball career with the White Sox before his father died.

After the 1993 season he had talked with White Sox GM Ron Schueler and they came up with a plan for him to play a few games for the Hickory, N.C., Crawdads. He got the news of his father missing (eventually found murdered) after those plans were already in place.

This is from the updated epilogue of The Jordan Rules:

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Michael-Couldnt-Hack-It.png

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/MJ-Crawdad.png

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/baseball-plans-on-hold.png

With a quitting attitude like that no wonder that Madonna wanted nothing to do with MJ.

https://i.imgur.com/vyE0GhE.png
The obsession with someone insignificant like baldan never ceases to amaze me

[And1AllDay]

This is true. MJ couldn't hack the spotlight if it included criticism and negative press.

Jordan was already planning his baseball career with the White Sox before his father died.

After the 1993 season he had talked with White Sox GM Ron Schueler and they came up with a plan for him to play a few games for the Hickory, N.C., Crawdads. He got the news of his father missing (eventually found murdered) after those plans were already in place.

This is from the updated epilogue of The Jordan Rules:

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Michael-Couldnt-Hack-It.png

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/MJ-Crawdad.png

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/baseball-plans-on-hold.png

mike the ultimate beta

[HighFlyer23]

The obsession with someone insignificant like baldan never ceases to amaze me

You're on a basketball forum ... ESPN and other networks do nothing but endlessly promote these GOAT debates and comparisons between players .... MJ is considered the GOAT by concensus ... What do you expect?

MJ had the luxury of being the first athlete that was truly pushed by large corporation and companies on a global scale ... His image was also carefully crafted and a lot about his true character and nature was hidden ...

Let's take the Gatorade commercial about "being like Mike"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b0AGiq9j_Ak

... Has any other athlete received this kind of veneration by large corporations and the mainstream media? The psychological programming by the media upon the public when it comes to Jordan was something never seen before ...

[Axe]

You're on a basketball forum ... ESPN and other networks do nothing but endlessly promote these GOAT debates and comparisons between players .... MJ is considered the GOAT by concensus ... What do you expect?

MJ had the luxury of being the first athlete that was truly pushed by large corporation and companies on a global scale ... His image was also carefully crafted and a lot about his true character and nature was hidden ...

Let's take the Gatorade commercial about "being like Mike"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b0AGiq9j_Ak

... Has any other athlete received this kind of veneration by large corporations and the mainstream media? The psychological programming by the media upon the public when it comes to Jordan was something never seen before ...
But i don't even follow espn lol

You don't have to be brainwashed by them if they're bragging about an athlete that you seem to hate so much. Simple as that.

[HighFlyer23]

But i don't even follow espn lol

You don't have to be brainwashed by them if they're bragging about an athlete that you seem to hate so much. Simple as that.

I don't hate him ... I like to put things in context

He's a media, corporate creation

[Axe]

I don't hate him ... I like to put things in context

He's a media, corporate creation
He surely is. That's why i also said earlier that he was insignificant in the first place.

And regarding him being the media darling in goat debates, just try thinking of this question; what has he won anyway without scottie pippen or phil jackson? :confusedshrug:

I'm a bulls fan so i am well aware that he hasn't done anything that much outside of the dynasty. Like i said, he's the most decorated player of a great team back then. But they only did dominate because they played in a watered-down era, right?

Surely that thought makes you feel a bit better personally.

[PeroAntic]

this thread is cancer:facepalm

[HighFlyer23]

He surely is. That's why i also said earlier that he was insignificant in the first place.

And regarding him being the media darling in goat debates, just try thinking of this question; what has he won anyway without scottie pippen or phil jackson? :confusedshrug:

I'm a bulls fan so i am well aware that he hasn't done anything that much outside of the dynasty. Like i said, he's the most decorated player of a great team back then. But they only did dominate because they played in a watered-down era, right?

Surely that thought makes you feel a bit better personally.

These are true and valid points but it doesn't matter that much to me my friend.

My point is just a simple one. He was the first athlete with the media, corporate, and professional sporting league backing on a world wide global scale. This is why people are obsessed with him. The brainwashing and programming done by these entities for Jordan is why this forum is obsessed with him.

I actually believe he is the strongest candidate for GOAT but it's a team sport and Jordan isn't "head and shoulders" above everyone else like it's being promoted. He is also a garbage person.

[Axe]

These are true and valid points but it doesn't matter that much to me my friend.

My point is just a simple one. He was the first athlete with the media, corporate, and professional sporting league backing on a world wide global scale. This is why people are obsessed with him. The brainwashing and programming done by these entities for Jordan is why this forum is obsessed with him.

I actually believe he is the strongest candidate for GOAT but it's a team sport and Jordan isn't "head and shoulders" above everyone else like it's being promoted. He is also a garbage person.
Maybe because he established the jordan apparel, which is why he remains to be popular nowadays. Idk. They even make fun of him for being a lousy gm and team owner, as shown with the charlotte hornets. Outside of that i personally don't care if msm stans him so much, since there are a bunch of more important things to think about than this silly stuff lmao and it's eyesore to see mj vs. lbj debates happening itb 24/7.

[HighFlyer23]

Maybe because he established the jordan apparel, which is why he remains to be popular nowadays. Idk. They even make fun of him for being a lousy gm and team owner, as shown with the charlotte hornets. Outside of that i personally don't care if msm stans him so much, since there are a bunch of more important things to think about than this silly stuff lmao and it's eyesore to see mj vs. lbj debates happening itb 24/7.

At the end of the day he bounced around an orange ball and put it into a basket ... Without basketball he would likely be working in a fast food chain or something ...but you're on a basketball forum so I don't know what else you would expect? A discussion on world poverty? Education?

[Axe]

At the end of the day he bounced around an orange ball and put it into a basket ... Without basketball he would likely be working in a fast food chain or something ...but you're on a basketball forum so I don't know what else you would expect? A discussion on world poverty? Education?
In bball anything about teams, current events, achievements and other players (atgs or potential ones) sans mj and lbj because the latter is a controversial topic, after all. Imo they are both great players and can be on anyone's goat list but it depends on their criteria. Dickriding/mudslinging one over the other for things that they have or haven't done is just, you know, very toxic imo. I think it's like a fresh breathe of air without that, especially considering those two aren't the only players who have existed in this sport.

[Kiddlovesnets]

MJ against all time greats in the finals:
1-0 against Magic, 1-0 against Clyde, 1-0 against Barkley, 1-0 against Payton, 2-0 against Malone.

Lebron against all time greats in the finals:
0-1 against Dirk, 1-2 against TD, 1-3 against Curry, 1-2 against KD, 1-1(5-7 individual games) against Kawhi.

Men lie, women lie, numbers dont lie.

[light]

LeBron was already GOAT by 2010 - he was already a better basketball player than Jordan ever was when he was ringless.

It's no contest.

No one can compare, and certainly not the smaller, weaker, slower, less aware & much less versatile Michael Jordan.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Screenshot_20210214-001312_Chrome.jpg

There are millions of people like Daryl Morey out there and their ranks continue to grow every year.

[And1AllDay]

MJ against all time greats in the finals:
1-0 against Magic, 1-0 against Clyde, 1-0 against Barkley, 1-0 against Payton, 2-0 against Malone.

Lebron against all time greats in the finals:
0-1 against Dirk, 1-2 against TD, 1-3 against Curry, 1-2 against KD, 1-1(5-7 individual games) against Kawhi.

Men lie, women lie, numbers dont lie.

mike had a losing record to isiah thomas, hakeem, and malone

get your head checked :oldlol:

keep learning

[Kiddlovesnets]

mike had a losing record to isiah thomas, hakeem, and malone

get your head checked :oldlol:

keep learning

I said in the finals, did you read?

[And1AllDay]

I said in the finals, did you read?

i didnt

did you read ?

[Kiddlovesnets]

i didnt

did you read ?

So you can’t counter the argument and instead you digressed, this is weak. Anyway Lebron cannot be GOAT, he’s FFOAT instead, finals failure of all time.
:lol

[TheGoatest]

Wait, this thread is still going on? People still arguing for that 3 x first round dropout, 1-9 playoff record without Pippen loser being GOAT? :oldlol:

[Kiddlovesnets]

Wait, this thread is still going on? People still arguing for that 3 x first round dropout, 1-9 playoff record without Pippen loser being GOAT? :oldlol:

If some foolish people actually think a player with 4/10 record in the Finals has any chance to be GOAT, then I guess everyone in the top 20 all time has to be in GOAT conversation.
:sleeping

[TheGoatest]

mike had a losing record to isiah thomas, hakeem, and malone

get your head checked :oldlol:

keep learning

Between 1986 and 1990, Bird and Isiah were taking turns between making Jordan their personal punching bag.

Is there any player regarded as an all-time great who got perennially destroyed for 5 consecutive seasons by 2 all-time greats like Jordan was by Bird and Isiah between 1986 and 1990?

:oldlol: The audacity to proclaim that this guy is GOAT.

[LBJ]

Jordan stans try to make it look like Jordan played only 6 years, and won in all of them. Breaking news, he played 15 seasons and lost in 9 of them.

[Airupthere]

Jordan stans try to make it look like Jordan played only 6 years, and won in all of them. Breaking news, he played 15 seasons and lost in 9 of them.

I’m sure it’s well established how hard it is to 3peat, imagine doing it 2x

Going 2/4 by calling up and teaming up with your buddies to make a superteam has certainly proven that.

[8Ball]

I’m sure it’s well established how hard it is to 3peat, imagine doing it 2x

Going 2/4 by calling up and teaming up with your buddies to make a superteam has certainly proven that.

If LeBron can play against finals teams in the 90s like Jordan did LeBron would never have to leave Cleveland the first time around.


Today's Brooklyn nets / Utah Jazz 2021 >>>> Jordan's 90s finals competition.

[Axe]

Dayly eyesore mj vs. lbj debates is one reason why this site has become a joke nowadays.

[kawhileonard2]

LeBron was already GOAT by 2010 - he was already a better basketball player than Jordan ever was when he was ringless.

It's no contest.

No one can compare, and certainly not the smaller, weaker, slower, less aware & much less versatile Michael Jordan.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Screenshot_20210214-001312_Chrome.jpg

There are millions of people like Daryl Morey out there and their ranks continue to grow every year.

Dude couldn't even beat Dwight Howard with HCA. Let that sink in you trying to say a dude is GOAT when he losing to Dwight Howard with HCA and winning bronze medals for America.:roll:

[kawhileonard2]

If LeBron can play against finals teams in the 90s like Jordan did LeBron would never have to leave Cleveland the first time around.


Today's Brooklyn nets / Utah Jazz 2021 >>>> Jordan's 90s finals competition.

Dude lost to Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics and Puerto Rico. :roll:

[2much_knowledge]

Wait, this thread is still going on? People still arguing for that 3 x first round dropout, 1-9 playoff record without Pippen loser being GOAT? :oldlol:

Let me guess. Your faith in Lebron is so big that as a rookie, he would have single handedly beaten the bucks (60 win team) and the Boston dynasty twice while playing with a bunch of cokeheads??? Rookie lebron would have done it? Rookie lebron missed the playoff TWICE. And he had an allstar ally in Ilgauskas.

3 quick exits > missing playoffs. Case closed

[TheGoatest]

If LeBron can play against finals teams in the 90s like Jordan did LeBron would never have to leave Cleveland the first time around.


Today's Brooklyn nets / Utah Jazz 2021 >>>> Jordan's 90s finals competition.

Teams like the current Bucks or the Sixers would wipe the floor with all those teams who couldn't beat Hakeem + a bunch of role players.