Why are U.S Covid cases falling so much since about 8 January 2021?

[oldtimer28]

8 January 2021 - daily cases = 308,000 and have fallen since to be about 90,000 per day.

Only about 1.1 million vaccinations so far.


Please no one say President Biden without backup, sources, and logic.

I did see someone post online that President Biden changed the definition of cases to make it harder to count cases but anyone have a source and explanation?

Why else is the U.S daily case number reducing? Why isn't the media emphasising it? Are U.S people happy and encouraged, or no change?


sources:
- worldometer
- https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/?srnd=premium-asia

[KennyPowers]

https://www.choosefreedom.io/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Biden_China-scaled.jpg

[guy]

More vaccinations and getting further away from holiday wave. I’m pretty sure the federal government has taken more of a role in the distribution of vaccines and they’ve enforced more rules regarding social distancing / mask-wearing since Biden came into office. Who knows how impactful that’s been given we were likely going to see more vaccinations anyway and we were getting further away from the holiday wave regardless. But seems like it does have something to do with Biden.

[MaxPlayer]

https://ei.marketwatch.com/Multimedia/2020/11/05/Photos/ZQ/MW-IT000_biden__20201105123404_ZQ.jpg?uuid=19527fbc-1f8d-11eb-8f7f-9c8e992d421e

[~primetime~]

8 January 2021 - daily cases = 308,000 and have fallen since to be about 90,000 per day.

Only about 1.1 million vaccinations so far.


Please no one say President Biden without backup, sources, and logic.

I did see someone post online that President Biden changed the definition of cases to make it harder to count cases but anyone have a source and explanation?

Why else is the U.S daily case number reducing? Why isn't the media emphasising it? Are U.S people happy and encouraged, or no change?


sources:
- worldometer
- https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/?srnd=premium-asia
that is WAAAAY off...even your own link says 13.1% (43.1 million doses) of the US population has been vaccinated.

Honestly we should see the death rate straight up plummet here shortly, that 13% is mostly old at risk people

[tpols]

:roll:

We literally said this would happen word for word.

The liberal media (which is like 90% of media) hyped the deaths to make Trump look bad under the orders of their democrat bosses... once he got kicked out, now they will start slowly re-opening everything and by the end of the year say that they cured it. It was actually a great political strategy from their perspective.

[Code Breaker]

:roll:

We literally said this would happen word for word.

The liberal media (which is like 90% of media) hyped the deaths to make Trump look bad under the orders of their democrat bosses... once he got kicked out, now they will start slowly re-opening everything and by the end of the year say that they cured it. It was actually a great political strategy from their perspective.

Yikes this awful mindset along with the former administration handling of this pandemic is why it took so long to get any real progress. Last Administration lost 20 million vaccines and didn’t even try to recover them good ****ing riddance.

[~primetime~]

:roll:

We literally said this would happen word for word.

The liberal media (which is like 90% of media) hyped the deaths to make Trump look bad under the orders of their democrat bosses... once he got kicked out, now they will start slowly re-opening everything and by the end of the year say that they cured it. It was actually a great political strategy from their perspective.

no you didn't...the election was 2 fckin months ago and after the election covid spiked to all time highs and new mandates were put into place...it's still high

3 years later covid finally vanishes..."see guys I called it!!!" :facepalm

[tpols]

no you didn't...the election was 2 fckin months ago and after the election covid spiked to all time highs and new mandates were put into place...it's still high

3 years later covid finally vanishes..."see guys I called it!!!" :facepalm

3 years? It's been a few weeks into Biden's administration lmao. What the hell are you talking about?

[~primetime~]

3 years? It's been a few weeks into Biden's administration lmao. What the hell are you talking about?

I'm saying that's you 3 years from now...when covid finally vanishes

I honestly don't think the media has 'hyped' covid up any more than they are right now...they are asking people to double up on masks FFS...Cleverness is on the verge of a massive stroke

[guy]

Trump was holding huge rallies and White House events not requiring people to wear masks, didn't attend a task force meeting for multiple months, left alot of the response responsibility to state and local governments, and openly admitted to downplaying the virus. This isn't media hype. That happened. You can argue that maybe if he didn't do those things it wouldn't have made a huge difference. But its safe to say that he didn't take it as seriously as he should've.

[Patrick Chewing]

I'm saying that's you 3 years from now...when covid finally vanishes

I honestly don't think the media has 'hyped' covid up any more than they are right now...they are asking people to double up on masks FFS...Cleverness is on the verge of a massive stroke

Are you ****ing kidding me??

[~primetime~]

Are you ****ing kidding me??

you don't think the media is hyping up covid right now? are you kidding me?

here is the Washington post:

Time to double or upgrade masks as coronavirus variants emerge, experts say (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/27/double-mask-variants-guidance/)

[warriorfan]

Are you ****ing kidding me??

:roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

you don't think the media is hyping up covid right now? are you kidding me?

here is the Washington post:

Time to double or upgrade masks as coronavirus variants emerge, experts say (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/27/double-mask-variants-guidance/)

Dude...read your post again. :oldlol:

[~primetime~]

Dude...read your post again. :oldlol:



I honestly don't think the media has 'hyped' covid up any more than they are right now...

I think it's you that needs to read my post again...

[BigKobeFan]

Are you ****ing kidding me??

That kid is straight retarded.

Same as that one kid that said gas prices have gone down since biden took over.

[~primetime~]

okay wtf am I missing here?

I'm saying the media is still hyping covid currently...you guys suggesting they aren't?

[~primetime~]

just open up CNN...they have an entire section dedicated to covid on the front page

[bladefd]

that is WAAAAY off...even your own link says 13.1% (43.1 million doses) of the US population has been vaccinated.

Honestly we should see the death rate straight up plummet here shortly, that 13% is mostly old at risk people

OP is such a clown :oldlol:

[bladefd]

no you didn't...the election was 2 fckin months ago and after the election covid spiked to all time highs and new mandates were put into place...it's still high

3 years later covid finally vanishes..."see guys I called it!!!" :facepalm

It was over 3 months ago you mean. Vaccines were just approved 2 months ago in first week of December and vaccine rollout began in 2nd week of december, almost 8 weeks ago. 43mill people are vaccinated and millions of other people have natural immunity from getting covid in that time. Tpols is another fool.

[bladefd]

That kid is straight retarded.

Same as that one kid that said gas prices have gone down since biden took over.

Who said gas prices went down under Biden? Did you always have reading comprehension issues or are you just a chronic liar as part of your nature?

[BigKobeFan]

Who said gas prices went down under Biden? Did you always have reading comprehension issues or are you just a chronic liar as part of your nature?


I have been watching a lot since Trump left --
Prices of gas went up when Trump was President...
Prices have stabilized or have gone down since Biden.
/



BAM you retard

[~primetime~]

Chewing misquotes me and BigKobeFan gets caught playing follow the leader....both have reading comprehension issues

will either own up to their goof?...nope

[bladefd]

BAM you retard

Oh thought you were referring to me

[BigKobeFan]

Oh thought you were referring to me

YOu best back off. Because there's no defending that guy's idiocy.

[oldtimer28]

I am insecure and have bad karma from insulting someone I don't know on the internet. I am now blocked as I have shown I am a moron who doesn't understand that everyone gets older as long as they live so to insult an old person is to guarantee yourself pain and suffering if you age :oldlol:

Ummm, you guys do know how these vaccines work yes? My numbers are correct, if not the links are there as the numbers are always changing or perhaps I made an honest mistake in which case my sources are provided - not one other poster in this thread provided a source to back up their views.

Basically, minimum 2 doses per person are required to count as 'vaccinated'.

Yes, I consider Bloomberg a reliable source more so than the NY or Washington Post, although no media is trustworthy as they spin and cherry pick news for their own agendas.

Back to my thread topic, even with your 43.1 million doses, do you really think that is enough to have slowed or stopped Covid as in my first post?

Plus, as dumb as your replies to me are (insulting unnecessarily), thanks for focusing on the numbers - albeit to try an ad hominem logical falllacy attack.

Back to my original post please people,

Please no one say President Biden without backup, sources, and logic.

I did see someone post online that President Biden changed the definition of cases to make it harder to count cases but anyone have a source and explanation?

Why else is the U.S daily case number reducing? Why isn't the media emphasising it? Are U.S people happy and encouraged, or no change?


I could only laugh at some of the replies which were basically 'I guess' but without saying I guess. Nothing wrong with guessing but declare it. Otherwise, if you think the President has made a difference so quickly then specifically how and what sources?

Otherwise, the only major change seems to be vaccinations yes and again there have not been many U.S people relatively, vaccinated yet so I find this unlikely.

[Cleverness]

Estimated infections without NPIs was around 70-150 million.

Actual infections so far is ~125 million (and counting) per CDC's best estimate.

Remember the vaccine ETA was end of 2021.

Thankfully we had Operation Warp Speed bring us -- as The Experts call it -- a Trump Christmas Miracle.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpAn7Q1W4AYVF-U.jpg

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[Nanners]

Surely the drop in cases has nothing to do with the fact that the WHO changed their PCR testing guidelines the day after Biden was inaugurated

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

https://www.rebelnews.com/world_health_organization_updates_pcr_test_guideli nes

[AirBonner]

40k at my work alone have been vaccinated. That 1.1 million vaccination number is hilariously way off

[oldtimer28]

Surely the drop in cases has nothing to do with the fact that the WHO changed their PCR testing guidelines the day after Biden was inaugurated

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

https://www.rebelnews.com/world_health_organization_updates_pcr_test_guideli nes

Good post - thanks.

Dr. David Samadi, a certified urologist and contributor to Newsmax, suggested that the changes were encouraging labs across the world to reduce their cycle count for PCR tests, stating that “the current cycle was much too high,” and that this “was resulting in any particle being declared a positive case.”

As to others, it is ridiculous the extent people we go to to evade the obvious. My post was about the U.S cases falling so much, so quickly during Biden's term. The vaccination numbers - whatever they are - do not support it. I hesitate to link Biden but it is the easiest for timeframe.

So what's changed. Thanks to Nanners for his links showing the testing tolerance reccommendation was increased by WHO Jan 13. That might contribute but what other options or could that have such an effect?

[oldtimer28]

40k at my work alone have been vaccinated. That 1.1 million vaccination number is hilariously way off

Again, please forgive the 1.1 million mistake by me and focus on the questions.

The point is that the vaccinations are insufficient to explain the case reduction.

P.S you must work for a corporate giant

[Cleverness]

That might contribute but what other options or could that have such an effect?

Seasonality, immunity, and vaccinations. In that order. Virus outcomes are not determined as much by pseudoscience (lockdowns, face covering mandates) as they are by other factors.

We should have stayed opened 100% all year. (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?488368-We-should-have-stayed-opened-100-all-year) Unbelievable to see so many idiots in favor of Trump's travel bans & National State of Emergency which has enabled the trillions in spending to keep us locked down.

[Cleverness]

https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1359932964726059010?s=19

[Nanners]

https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1359932964726059010?s=19

:oldlol: wtf did i just watch... so cringe

[oldtimer28]

:oldlol: wtf did i just watch... so cringe

can't watch so please tell us all.

[oldtimer28]

Seasonality, immunity, and vaccinations. In that order. Virus outcomes are not determined as much by pseudoscience (lockdowns, face covering mandates) as they are by other factors.

We should have stayed opened 100% all year. (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?488368-We-should-have-stayed-opened-100-all-year) Unbelievable to see so many idiots in favor of Trump's travel bans & National State of Emergency which has enabled the trillions in spending to keep us locked down.

Interesting, thought winter was supposed to be the worst and it's still winter yes?

immunity - about 1 in 10 in the U.S have had covid already so still a small factor yes?

vaccinations - again a small amount of the population are fully vaccinated, let alone vaccinated yes? (48 million doses in U.S, unsure to know how many fully vaccinated - source: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/)

So what other options for the dramatic reduction in cases?

I am amazed these questions are not being explored more deeply.

[Cleverness]

Interesting, thought winter was supposed to be the worst and it's still winter yes?

immunity - about 1 in 10 in the U.S have had covid already so still a small factor yes?

vaccinations - again a small amount of the population are fully vaccinated, let alone vaccinated yes? (48 million doses in U.S, unsure to know how many fully vaccinated - source: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/)

So what other options for the dramatic reduction in cases?

I am amazed these questions are not being explored more deeply.

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We have roughly 27.5 million detected infections. The CDC's best estimate is that we've detected roughly 1 in 4.6 infections so far. 27.5 x 4.6 = 126,500,000 infections so far. This is more than 1 in 10 having covid already. So not a small factor.

Vaccinations; roughly 10% of the US has been vaccinated w/ at least one dose as of Feb 10th.

I am amazed hardly anyone else is standing up to the trillions in handouts, lockdowns, and mask mandates. The goal was 15 days to Slow the Spread so hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed because the rulers predicted 15-50% hospitalization rate (actual rate is ~3%). Since then, what exactly has been the goal of the lockdowns? We're on Day 333 of 15 Days to Slow the Spread and still with mask mandates, lockdowns, travel bans, school closures across the country, trillions of dollars printed and handed out to whomever the gov't chooses, and only a small % of us are standing up for freedom.


You didn't even answer my question though. As opposed to what?

Maybe it's a bit more normal in select places in the US like some select places in Florida, but it ain't normal in California and most of the US. We don't even have the right to assemble 2 people for lunch at the local deli here in California.

Gyms, movie theaters, restaurants, clubs, sporting events, concerts, intl travel, banned by King's Orders.

How many states in the US have packed concerts & sporting events? What % of US schools are operating 100% normal?

I think my gripes have been quite clear that ppl need to wake TF up and stop supporting Trump's (& now Biden's) bullshit Natl State of Emergency, but this post (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14219308#post14219308)was a pretty good list...


I'm arguing for trillions in wealth not to be transferred to the gov't/wealthy
for that money to be given directly to Americans (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?488368-We-should-have-stayed-opened-100-all-year)
for small businesses not be bankrupted by gov't restrictions (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/07/black-owned-businesses-may-not-survive-covid-19/)
for the "essential workers" who got screwed over in 2020
for holding our rulers (eg Trump, governors, etc) accountable to their words and actions
for the hospital patients who will die alone and afraid
for the religious people forbidden from their place of worship
for the large increase in young people who now have thoughts of suicide
for the babies and children who will grow up without seeing smiles
for tens of millions of children to not lose a year of relevant schooling
for the special needs kids who have been deprived of their therapies
for the increased amount of children at home who are being abused
for the people who have been driven to drugs, alcohol
for all the people in rehab who no longer can attend their group meetings
for the millions of people who have missed out on their medical procedures, treatments, and screenings
for the tens of thousands extra amt of people who will die of cancer
for the added 130 million people who will be pushed to the brink of starvation
for the nursing home residents who aren't allowed to see their loved ones as they die in despair
for everyone to have the freedom to attend a funeral/wedding/etc
for the hundreds of millions of people who have had their livelihood taken away

I don't consider it to be nonsense to argue for these things.

I am here to give argue on behalf of all those who have had no consideration by our policy makers, no voice, no media attn, no daily sob stories... And I'm arguing on behalf of freedom.

[oldtimer28]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuEKRbtWgAcAVY7?format=jpg&name=large

We have roughly 27.5 million detected infections. The CDC's best estimate is that we've detected roughly 1 in 4.6 infections so far. 27.5 x 4.6 = 126,500,000 infections so far. This is more than 1 in 10 having covid already. So not a small factor.

Vaccinations; roughly 10% of the US has been vaccinated w/ at least one dose as of Feb 10th.

I am amazed hardly anyone else is standing up to the trillions in handouts, lockdowns, and mask mandates. The goal was 15 days to Slow the Spread so hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed because the rulers predicted 15-50% hospitalization rate (actual rate is ~3%). Since then, what exactly has been the goal of the lockdowns? We're on Day 333 of 15 Days to Slow the Spread and still with mask mandates, lockdowns, travel bans, school closures across the country, trillions of dollars printed and handed out to whomever the gov't chooses, and only a small % of us are standing up for freedom.



Agree with your thoughts but not the logic of infections. I stand by 1 in 10. Of course there are undetected cases but multiplying by an estimate of 4.6 is ridiculously high.

Not to derail the thread but I completely agree that this covid situation is being abused by authorities to take excessive control without rationality, yet people accept it i the name of 'safety' as if we all live forever and get these lost years back...

[Cleverness]

Agree with your thoughts but not the logic of infections. I stand by 1 in 10. Of course there are undetected cases but multiplying by an estimate of 4.6 is ridiculously high.

Not to derail the thread but I completely agree that this covid situation is being abused by authorities to take excessive control without rationality, yet people accept it i the name of 'safety' as if we all live forever and get these lost years back...

Do you think the US gov't has detected 100% of all coronavirus infections (including asymptomatics) since February 2020? Come on, be serious. The CDC's best estimate is that somewhere between 1 in 4.6 (4.0 - 5.4) total covid-19 infections were detected. The high-end estimation is 1 in 5.4. Believing we've recorded 100% of infections is just foolish.

Their best estimate for IFR was roughly 0.26%, later revised to 0.4%. Assuming we've detected 100% of deaths (480k) w/ Covid, this means roughly 120 million to 185 million infections so far. I've seen a bunch of estimations; I think somewhere around 80 million to 120 million so far is a good range.

[Cleverness]

Sorry, I suppose 1 in 10 would mean more like we've been able to find 83.3%, but again, there's no way we've detected that high of a %.


Not to derail the thread but I completely agree that this covid situation is being abused by authorities to take excessive control without rationality, yet people accept it i the name of 'safety' as if we all live forever and get these lost years back...

Right. When have the rulers in charge of these draconian policies ever listed all the potential negative consequences to their proposals? How many times have they been completely wrong about their projections?

None of these "Experts" have been sworn in so we can pin them down in a position, so they flip flop all over the place and just say "Science Says" as if it's gospel. Most of the shit they claim is "science" ain't even testable & falsifiable, let alone constitutional, logical, or reasonable.

[oldtimer28]

Do you think the US gov't has detected 100% of all coronavirus infections (including asymptomatics) since February 2020? Come on, be serious. The CDC's best estimate is that somewhere between 1 in 4.6 (4.0 - 5.4) total covid-19 infections were detected. The high-end estimation is 1 in 5.4. Believing we've recorded 100% of infections is just foolish.

Their best estimate for IFR was roughly 0.26%, later revised to 0.4%. Assuming we've detected 100% of deaths (480k) w/ Covid, this means roughly 120 million to 185 million infections so far. I've seen a bunch of estimations; I think somewhere around 80 million to 120 million so far is a good range.

Sorry, not going to debate this as impossible to assess. Again, the public numbers suffice.

[Cleverness]

Sorry, not going to debate this as impossible to assess. Again, the public numbers suffice.

It's not impossible; it's somewhere between 27.5 million and 330 million and plenty of data available out there. But yeah, no data to show any of the pseudoscience did jack shit to save lives.

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[Axe]

https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1359932964726059010?s=19
Wow. Thanks to this idea, more covid-related hip hop songs will be released for the rest of the decade.

[FKAri]

okay wtf am I missing here?

I'm saying the media is still hyping covid currently...you guys suggesting they aren't?

He foamed up at the mouth reading the bold and failed to complete the sentence. His mind is wired such that there are but a few logical conclusions his brain is capable of reaching regardless of the stimulus.

[RRR3]

He foamed up at the mouth reading the bold and failed to complete the sentence. His mind is wired such that there are but a few logical conclusions his brain is capable of reaching regardless of the stimulus.
:oldlol:

Chewing has the intellect of a porcupine.

[FultzNationRISE]

:oldlol:

Chewing has the intellect of a porcupine.


Are you still as terrified of the Biden Virus as you were the first six months?