MJ shot a pathetic 51.0% from 0-3 feet in 1996-97. Imagine struggling to make layups

[RRR3]

Meanwhile LeBron? Consistently finishes well over 70% from the same distance and as high as 79.6% in 2013-14 (a higher conversion rate than even peak Shaq!).


LeBron finishes STRONG while MJ finished feebly.


Proof:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html


Go to the “shooting” sections.

[8Ball]

These threads are useless.

It's common knowledge by now that LeBron is a superior basketball player.

Physically, mentally, skill wise.

It's getting boring at this point.

[Axe]

Attention

[Airupthere]

With these wide open lanes and inability of bigs to get physical with wings, Lebron is in a practically better era to be in to take advantage of his size and athleticism compared to Shaq in his time.

[RRR3]

Ricky Rubio, perhaps the worst finisher in the NBA, is a career 50.4% shooter from 0-3 feet. In 1997, MJ was literally finishing at a Ricky Rubio like level. “GOAT finisher” doe :roll:

[RRR3]

With these wide open lanes and inability of bigs to get physical with wings, Lebron is in a practically better era to be in to take advantage of his size and athleticism compared to Shaq in his time.
Maybe you’d have a point if LeBron didn’t put up that 79.6% season all the way back in 2014 AKA before the 3pt small ball pace and space revolution and the new defensive rules.

[8Ball]

With these wide open lanes and inability of bigs to get physical with wings, Lebron is in a practically better era to be in to take advantage of his size and athleticism compared to Shaq in his time.

Wrong.

LeBron played in the mid 2000s before the 2010s 3 point era and the stats within 3 feet are nearly the same as now.

[Airupthere]

Maybe you’d have a point if LeBron didn’t put up that 79.6% season all the way back in 2014 AKA before the 3pt small ball pace and space revolution and the new defensive rules.

:roll: Anything after the 2005 season is a joke. Nash became 2x MVP as soon as the rules changed.

[8Ball]

Going through LeBron's stats page is like starring at the sistine chapel.

Its endless, everywhere. Beauty all over the place.

Jordan's stats page is so shortened and small in comparison. :(

[Axe]

:roll: Anything after the 2005 season is a joke. Nash became 2x MVP as soon as the rules changed.
Why are you still watching basketball then?

[RRR3]

:roll: Anything after the 2005 season is a joke. Nash became 2x MVP as soon as the rules changed.
Hmm...I’m going to have to chalk this post up to a severe case of LeBron derangement syndrome. Unfortunately for you, there is no known cure. Symptoms may become exponentially worse when LeBron wins a ring so I might not watch the playoffs this year if I were you :(

[Airupthere]

Going through LeBron's stats page is like starring at the sistine chapel.

Its endless, everywhere. Beauty all over the place.

Jordan's stats page is so shortened and small in comparison. :(

:oldlol: You like watching the stats page eh?

[8Ball]

:roll: Anything after the 2005 season is a joke. Nash became 2x MVP as soon as the rules changed.

Wrong wrong wrong. AGAIN.

Mid 2000s is similar to early 2000's and only a few more 3s per game than the 90s.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/3sHvI_NVdTWhCmnoc9A_aTtf1MOhQH6yDg6N56EXjRx0bz2aFw 85VqpHnOsRbBSbeI6ABvofQ9HOSE6lHfVbNQpTfxphHfX6P4XJ aegnHymrHftdk1-_mChdbR9rqD7M

https://a.espncdn.com/i/infographics/20150603_nba3pointer/NBA3POINTERrise.png

[RRR3]

Wrong wrong wrong. AGAIN.

Mid 2000s is similar to early 2000's and only a few more 3s per game than the 90s.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/3sHvI_NVdTWhCmnoc9A_aTtf1MOhQH6yDg6N56EXjRx0bz2aFw 85VqpHnOsRbBSbeI6ABvofQ9HOSE6lHfVbNQpTfxphHfX6P4XJ aegnHymrHftdk1-_mChdbR9rqD7M
MJ literally played 2+ years with the WNBA 3pt line too. He was helpless from the real line unlike LeBron who has unlimited range.

[8Ball]

:oldlol: You like watching the stats page eh?

It's the most impressive stats page in the history of all sports.

Consistent, perfect, thick, voluminous, endless, sublime, beautiful. Describes the sistine chapel very well. Jordan's page is like 1 nice painting, doesn't compare to the greatest piece of art ever.

[Airupthere]

It's the most impressive stats page in the history of all sports.

Consistent, perfect, thick, voluminous, endless, sublime, beautiful. Describes the sistine chapel very well. Jordan's page is like 1 nice painting, doesn't compare to the greatest piece of art ever.

:oldlol: You seriously follow the sport for the stat sheet? Dafuq. Watch the game, better yet play it and watch it. Too bad the description you just gave can't be used to describe Lebron's actual game when watching it.

[RRR3]

:oldlol: You seriously follow the sport for the stat sheet? Dafuq. Watch the game, better yet play it and watch it. Too bad the description you just gave can't be used to describe Lebron's actual game when watching it.
Anyone who doesn’t appreciate LeBron’s game shouldn’t be watching basketball tbh.

[3ball]

.
Similar to Wilt deciding to lead the league in assists, 97' Jordan decided to have the goat mid-range season:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-09-2021/hzf7wy.gif
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uj1Hw4xgC_Q&t=05m27s


So you're cherry-picking and it has exposed Jordan as goat once again (this time for choosing to have the goat mid-range season)

Maybe MJ knew he would need extra mid-range for the playoffs because Pippen averaged 19/7/3 on 42% in those Finals - he was last in clutch points (behind ostertag) and outplayed by Stockton

So Jordan had to make 3 game-winning plays to win 3 of those games, otherwise the Jazz would've destroyed the Bulls like they did Shaq/Kobe... aka Jordan needed that clutch mid-range that he honed during the regular season

[light]

Meanwhile LeBron? Consistently finishes well over 70% from the same distance and as high as 79.6% in 2013-14 (a higher conversion rate than even peak Shaq!).


LeBron finishes STRONG while MJ finished feebly.


Proof:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html


Go to the “shooting” sections.

Jordan is tiny compared to LeBron so that makes some sense.

He's also not as good as LeBron - especially the MJ from 1996 to 1998 - so this is not surprising.

[Airupthere]

Anyone who doesn’t appreciate LeBron’s game shouldn’t be watching basketball tbh.

Tbh, I appreciate it. Aspects of it. But not in the same delusion as just looking solely on the stats sheet.

[tpols]

MJ played in a real era with hulking centers defending the rim ~ Shaq, Robinson, Ewing, Zo, Hakeem, Mutumbo, etc. With added physicality and less spacing to boot. With regards to rim protection, Bran plays in a kiddie era by comparison where Rudy Gobert and Roy Hibbert are the best defensive centers. Pretty simple.

[3ball]

Anyone who doesn’t appreciate LeBron’s game shouldn’t be watching basketball tbh.


Who doesn't appreciate a great player?

Of course I appreciate Lebron and Dr. J's game

But they don't compare to Jordan

[Axe]

Who doesn't appreciate a great player?

Of course I appreciate Lebron and Dr. J's game

But they don't compare to Jordan
We're all sure you do judging by the posts and threads you make about him every single day of your dayly, miserable life. :rolleyes:

[3ball]

We're all sure you do judging by the posts and threads you make about him every single day of your dayly, miserable life. :rolleyes:


If Dr. J was compared to Jordan, I'd have 25,000 threads about Dr. J... (not as many as lebron because it's a better comparison in many ways)

[RRR3]

MJ played in a real era with hulking centers defending the rim ~ Shaq, Robinson, Ewing, Zo, Hakeem, Mutumbo, etc. With added physicality and less spacing to boot. With regards to rim protection, Bran plays in a kiddie era by comparison where Rudy Gobert and Roy Hibbert are the best defensive centers. Pretty simple.
Nice try, Bub, but scrawny ass Latrell Sprewell shot 63.8% from the same range that season. MJ was just a weak finisher :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

.
Similar to Wilt deciding to lead the league in assists, 97' Jordan decided to have the goat mid-range season:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-09-2021/hzf7wy.gif
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uj1Hw4xgC_Q&t=05m27s


So you're cherry-picking and it has exposed Jordan as goat once again (this time for choosing to have the goat mid-range season)

Maybe MJ knew he would need extra mid-range for the playoffs because Pippen averaged 19/7/3 on 42% in those Finals - he was last in clutch points (behind ostertag) and outplayed by Stockton

So Jordan had to make 3 game-winning plays to win 3 of those games, otherwise the Jazz would've destroyed the Bulls like they did Shaq/Kobe... aka Jordan needed that clutch mid-range that he honed during the regular season
MJ was forced to spam midrange because he had a weak, Rubio-esque inside game.

[tpols]

Nice try, Bub, but scrawny ass Latrell Sprewell shot 63.8% from the same range that season. MJ was just a weak finisher :confusedshrug:

MJ in the late 90s was way past his physical prime and relied on GOAT jumpshooting. 80s and early 90s MJ was a way better finisher than LeBron and not afraid to posterize centers, while Bran contrastly only attacks when he sees it's clear. Jordan and Kobe for that matter have a way better collection of posters for this reason. But if you want to be a retard and say Jordan couldn't finish or dunk or whatever go ahead. Everybody already knows your rep around here lol

[Airupthere]

Nice try, Bub, but scrawny ass Latrell Sprewell shot 63.8% from the same range that season. MJ was just a weak finisher :confusedshrug:

Scrawny ass sprewell will finish even better in todays league

[Bronbron23]

MJ literally played 2+ years with the WNBA 3pt line too. He was helpless from the real line unlike LeBron who has unlimited range.

A common lie told by trolling ass bron stans. Mj was actually more efficient than bron from the regular 3 pt line in the post season. Nice try though dummy.

[RRR3]

MJ in the late 90s was way past his physical prime and relied on GOAT jumpshooting. 80s and early 90s MJ was a way better finisher than LeBron and not afraid to posterize centers, while Bran contrastly only attacks when he sees it's clear. Jordan and Kobe for that matter have a way better collection of posters for this reason. But if you want to be a retard and say Jordan couldn't finish or dunk or whatever go ahead. Everybody already knows your rep around here lol
Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night, lil guy.

Imagine typing out this bullshit with a straight face :lol

Bron has posterized tons of centers. Ttarded with that 35 IQ on full display.

[Bronbron23]

Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night, lil guy.

Imagine typing out this bullshit with a straight face :lol

Bron has posterized tons of centers. Ttarded with that 35 IQ on full display.

Mj definitely has way more posters. His elite leaping off both feet and his quickness and explosiveness made him better at this. This shit isn't even arguable. Just go to youtube. Video dosnt lie. There's way more videos of mj dunking on dudes and dunking in traffic. And that's with only like 40% of mj's video footage available.

[RRR3]

Mj definitely has way more posters. His elite leaping off both feet and his quickness and explosiveness made him better at this. This shit isn't even arguable. Just go to youtube. Video dosnt lie. There's way more videos of mj dunking on dudes and dunking in traffic. And that's with only like 40% of mj's video footage available.
No one takes you seriously on this subject you’re an infamous MJ stan and Bron hater. Sorry bub.

[Manny98]

A common lie told by trolling ass bron stans. Mj was actually more efficient than bron from the regular 3 pt line in the post season. Nice try though dummy.
Their efficiency is more or less the same but Lebron had way higher volume

LeBron is less consistent of a shooter tho, he had years where he was borderline elite as a shooter like 2013/2014 and then had years where he was Westbrook like as a shooter

[RRR3]

Their efficiency is more or less the same but Lebron had way higher volume

LeBron is less consistent of a shooter tho, he had years where he was borderline elite as a shooter like 2013/2014 and then had years where he was Westbrook like as a shooter
LeBron was a legitimately great shooter throughout the 2014 playoffs. He even shot like 80% at the line. If LeBron had the jumper he had in 2014 his whole career there wouldn’t even be a GOAT debate. His shot was pretty on point in 2018 too. And his 3point shot is the best it’s ever been this year.

I’ve never seen a more unstoppable player than LeBron when his jumper is on. You literally can’t guard him, it is not possible.

[3ball]

LeBron was a legitimately great shooter throughout the 2014 playoffs. He even shot like 80% at the line. If LeBron had the jumper he had in 2014 his whole career there wouldn’t even be a GOAT debate. His shot was pretty on point in 2018 too. And his 3point shot is the best it’s ever been this year.


If Lebron was a "great jumpshooter" in 2014, why didn't he take more than 17 shots in the Finals and average the additional 10 ppg required to overcome the Spurs? That was the time for his jumper to go off - an "on fire" Lebron would've changed everything in that series, especially teammates (more open and more inspired).

And why didn't he shoot well at high volume in 2015, when he actually tried to go off... :yaohappy:... lebron escaped criticism for those Finals despite playing like Iverson on offense and Kukoc on defense.

Otoh, Jordan would've won in 2014 and destroys weak Curry in 2015 by shooting better at high volume, commanding doubles, and not letting a role player double their normal average to win FMVP..

[Turbo Slayer]

1-9.

[Bronbron23]

Their efficiency is more or less the same but Lebron had way higher volume

LeBron is less consistent of a shooter tho, he had years where he was borderline elite as a shooter like 2013/2014 and then had years where he was Westbrook like as a shooter

Yeah can't argue this

[Bronbron23]

No one takes you seriously on this subject you’re an infamous MJ stan and Bron hater. Sorry bub.

Get out that glass house boi.

And i'm actually way less bias than you. I've argued for bron and against mj many times. You on the other hand are a legit stan. You only side with bron no matter what.

[3ball]

Yeah can't argue this


Lebron had near-elite percentages a few years, but he's never been an elite jumpshooter at any point in his career because he's never been good at contested jumpers (he actually avoids them), and doesn't have nearly the variety of jumpers that elite jumpshooters MJ or Kobe have...

That's why the stats show that they made 700 jumpers a year, compared to 400 for lebron - it isn't REMOTELY close - lebron shoots better than Giannis/Zion, but he's still a beginner compared to truly elite jumpshooters that go off every game (cause coaches to call timeout every game)

[tpols]

Dumbass OP be like "MJ can't finish."

https://i.gifer.com/6yyg.gif

:lol

Can ANYBODY remember any LeBron posters that compare to MJ on Ewing or Mutumbo? Or Kobe on Dwight, Ben Wallace, and David Robinson?

He only attacks when he has a runway.

*****.

[Axe]

Lebron had near-elite percentages a few years, but he's never been an elite jumpshooter at any point in his career because he's never been good at contested jumpers (he actually avoids them), and doesn't have nearly the variety of jumpers that elite jumpshooters MJ or Kobe have...

That's why the stats show that they made 700 jumpers a year, compared to 400 for lebron - it isn't REMOTELY close - lebron shoots better than Giannis/Zion, but he's still a beginner compared to truly elite jumpshooters that go off every game (cause coaches to call timeout every game)
Why don't you post this using your trada7029 dup, huh? :rolleyes:

[3ball]

Dumbass OP be like "MJ can't finish."

https://i.gifer.com/6yyg.gif

:lol


That move.... my goodness

He's making the move as the ball is coming up - super-duper advanced back in 1991 - fakes Starks better than any fake you'll ever see.. a magic trick

[Bronbron23]

Lebron had near-elite percentages a few years, but he's never been an elite jumpshooter at any point in his career because he's never been good at contested jumpers (he actually avoids them), and doesn't have nearly the variety of jumpers that elite jumpshooters MJ or Kobe have...

That's why the stats show that they made 700 jumpers a year, compared to 400 for lebron - it isn't REMOTELY close - lebron shoots better than Giannis/Zion, but he's still a beginner compared to truly elite jumpshooters that go off every game (cause coaches to call timeout every game)

We weren't talking shooting in general just three point shooting. Mj is obviously a better mid range shooter. There's really no argument for mj over bron though when it comes to 3pt shooting although it's extremely close

[3ball]

We weren't talking shooting in general just three point shooting. Mj is obviously a better mid range shooter. There's really no argument for mj over bron though when it comes to 3pt shooting although it's extremely close


You can't go by stats when comparing 3-point volume because the eras are different

Jordan is a much better 3-point shooter than lebron because Jordan had an utterly beautiful shot and the best form the game has seen.. if your kid ever asks you whose form to copy - tell him Michael Jordan - that's how beautiful his form is

Otoh, lebron's form is clunky and ugly.. he frequently goes cold and his shot is actually a LIABILITY.. he only has passable percentages because he works rigorously on threes like everyone else in today's game.... and he gets wide open looks by lulling the defense to sleep.. complete beginner shit (can't shoot contested)

it's no comparison to Jordan's smoothness

[Bronbron23]

You can't go by stats when comparing 3-point volume because the eras are different

Jordan is a much better 3-point shooter than lebron because Jordan had an utterly beautiful shot and the best form the game has seen.. if your kid ever asks you whose form to copy - tell him Michael Jordan - that's how beautiful his form is

Otoh, lebron's form is clunky and ugly.. he frequently goes cold and his shot is actually a LIABILITY.. he only has passable percentages because he works rigorously on threes like everyone else in today's game.... and he gets wide open looks by lulling the defense to sleep.. complete beginner shit (can't shoot contested)

it's no comparison to Jordan's smoothness

You don't get points for style. Yeah mj's shot is prettier but that don't mean much. Miller and birds shots aren't beautiful but they were deadly from 3 and i think you'd agree better than mj.

And yeah bron can lose confidence in his shot. We've seen it many times but all in all he's taken and hit enough at a good enough clip to give him a strong argument over mj.

That all said i'm not really arguing for one over the other. It's very close especially if we're talking post season. You really can't go wrong either way.

[3ball]

You don't get points for style. Yeah mj's shot is prettier but that don't mean much. Miller and birds shots aren't beautiful but they were deadly from 3 and i think you'd agree better than mj.

And yeah bron can lose confidence in his shot. We've seen it many times but all in all he's taken and hit enough at a good enough clip to give him a strong argument over mj.

That all said i'm not really arguing for one over the other. It's very close especially if we're talking post season. You really can't go wrong either way.


Let's face it - Ben Simmons, Zion, and Giannis will never be elite jumpshooters

Otoh, Jordan's perfect form is why he had the capacity to improve a once-suspect jumper to the best 2-point shot ever, and achieve Curry-level when needed on the biggest stage.. It's also why he had good 3-point percentages whenever he had more than bailout volume (90' and 93' regular seasons) - this includes winning the 93' title while shooting 40% on 4 attempts in the Playoffs and Finals...

he naturally shot more threes in those Playoffs because that was the biggest offensive load he ever carried and threes helped him carry that load - if he knew that 8 threes could actually help him carry easier, he would've shot 8 times instead of 4..

[Xiao Yao You]

Let's face it - Ben Simmons, Zion, and Giannis will never be elite jumpshooters

Otoh, Jordan's perfect form is why he had the capacity to improve a once-suspect jumper to the best 2-point shot ever, and achieve Curry-level when needed on the biggest stage.. It's also why he had good 3-point percentages whenever he had more than bailout volume (90' and 93' regular seasons) - this includes winning the 93' title while shooting 40% on 4 attempts in the Playoffs and Finals...

he naturally shot more threes in those Playoffs because that was the biggest offensive load he ever carried and threes helped him carry that load - if he knew that 8 threes could actually help him carry easier, he would've shot 8 times instead of 4..

Zion shoots pretty good. A little early to write him off.

[Bronbron23]

Let's face it - Ben Simmons, Zion, and Giannis will never be elite jumpshooters

Otoh, Jordan's perfect form is why he had the capacity to improve a once-suspect jumper to the best 2-point shot ever, and achieve Curry-level when needed on the biggest stage.. It's also why he had good 3-point percentages whenever he had more than bailout volume (90' and 93' regular seasons) - this includes winning the 93' title while shooting 40% on 4 attempts in the Playoffs and Finals...

he naturally shot more threes in those Playoffs because that was the biggest offensive load he ever carried and threes helped him carry that load - if he knew that 8 threes could actually help him carry easier, he would've shot 8 times instead of 4..

Well i wouldn't put bron in with those guys. That's just disrespectful. Plus his form isn't all that bad it's not pretty like mj's.

And i hear you on mj as far as efficiency and attempts. Mj is the goat volume shooter. He could easily double his 3 point output and maintain his efficiency.

All i'm saying is it's very close. I get that for the reasons you give your going with mj just like bron stans are gonna say bron for their reasons. It's really close dude. I would think even the most die hard mj fans can acknowledge that.

[Bronbron23]

Zion shoots pretty good. A little early to write him off.

It's ugly though. I think that's his main point. U really can't argue that zion shot is gross

[3ball]

Well i wouldn't put bron in with those guys. That's just disrespectful. Plus his form isn't all that bad it's not pretty like mj's.

And i hear you on mj as far as efficiency and attempts. Mj is the goat volume shooter. He could easily double his 3 point output and maintain his efficiency.

All i'm saying is it's very close. I get that for the reasons you give your going with mj just like bron stans are gonna say bron for their reasons. It's really close dude. I would think even the most die hard mj fans can acknowledge that.


No I don't think it's close

Lebron's jumper is a liability

His shot is still beginner-like by only taking open jumpers and the best teams exploit that, especially down the stretch.. lebron has to dribble the ball to find something, while mj and kobe can just pop off that jumper in infinite ways that lebron can only dream of.. MJ is the goat jumpshooter and lebron is nowhere near

[RRR3]

LeBron is so much better than my lover boy Kobe it’s not even funny and that just tears me up inside. In fact, every night I sob into my Lil Mamba doll at the fact that LeBron made the old comparisons to Kobe laughable. I just can’t take it anymore, man, if LeBron wins again I’m gonna quit watching the NBA! :cry: Making up lies about him and jerking off to ORTG are all that keeps me tethered to the last vestiges of sanity but I can’t take another ring!

I’m a giant *****.
I mean sure if you want to pretend LeBron hasn’t posterized the likes of Duncan, Garnett, Gobert and Alonzo Mourning your retarded, tear-soaked meltdown might make sense. You sound pretty riled up there, slugger. Bron being better than Kobe never fails to make you quiver with rage and I ****ing love it :oldlol:

Your tears are delicious. Can’t wait for your meltdown when Bron wins number 5 :cheers:

[3ball]

I mean sure if you want to pretend LeBron hasn’t posterized the likes of Duncan, Garnett, Gobert and Alonzo Mourning this post might make sense. You sound pretty riled up there, slugger. Bron being better than Kobe never fails to make you quiver with rage and I ****ing love it :oldlol:

Your tears are delicious. Can’t wait for your meltdown when Bron wins number 5 :cheers:


Lebron never had posters like that - counter moves in tight spot and poster off 2 feet over a big

Heck, lebron can barely palm the ball ... :yaohappy:

Jordan is simply superior anytime we take a close look

[Xiao Yao You]

I mean sure if you want to pretend LeBron hasn’t posterized the likes of Duncan, Garnett, Gobert and Alonzo Mourning your retarded, tear-soaked meltdown might make sense. You sound pretty riled up there, slugger. Bron being better than Kobe never fails to make you quiver with rage and I ****ing love it :oldlol:

Your tears are delicious. Can’t wait for your meltdown when Bron wins number 5 :cheers:

but Gobert is a useless stiff

[Bronbron23]

No I don't think it's close

Lebron's jumper is a liability

His shot is still beginner-like by only taking open jumpers and the best teams exploit that, especially down the stretch.. lebron has to dribble the ball to find something, while mj and kobe can just pop off that jumper in infinite ways that lebron can only dream of.. MJ is the goat jumpshooter and lebron is nowhere near

You keep saying jump shooter but I've already agreed with you on that. Most of their 3 point shots are set shots though. Neither consistently pulls up for a three off the dribble even though mj was very capable of doing it and bron is also although to a lesser degree. Talking 3 point shooting specifically it's very close.

[tpols]

but Gobert is a useless stiff

I like you bro but you know damn well Rudy Gobert wouldn't be shit in the 90's. He'd be a second rate center.

[Axe]

but Gobert is a useless stiff
:roll:

[RRR3]

Lebron never had posters like that - counter moves in tight spot and poster off 2 feet over a big

Heck, lebron can barely palm the ball ... :yaohappy:

Jordan is simply superior anytime we take a close look
https://youtu.be/sPmJM5-HSi0

https://youtu.be/-VMWpPntjhg

https://youtu.be/NAUQBGFwqJs

https://youtu.be/9qLxkWpwu-I

https://youtu.be/x9BTCwjcric

https://youtu.be/xYkfmqX0vqk

https://youtu.be/nhIejjJGySQ

https://youtu.be/f5ISBDWvAIY

https://youtu.be/gP3vmRnBZP0

https://youtu.be/PNcOYqivuw8

https://youtu.be/iZkrlNw70YE

https://youtu.be/AHvm4GMyvaY



LeBron doesn’t dunk on bigs doe lmao. I can post many more too



:yaohappy:


Poor Snivelball.

[RRR3]

but Gobert is a useless stiff
Not on defense

[3ball]

You keep saying jump shooter but I've already agreed with you on that. Most of their 3 point shots are set shots though. Neither consistently pulls up for a three off the dribble even though mj was very capable of doing it and bron is also although to a lesser degree. Talking 3 point shooting specifically it's very close.


Knowing how superior Jordan was as a jumpshooter in general - that lets me know he's vastly superior at threes if he took lebron's volume and worked on the shot like today's player

it's likely in my mind that the best 2-point jumpshooter would become the best 3-point shooter as well because the capacity was there (goat form, touch, mentality, history of improvement).

Volume shooters also have the advantage of getting in rhythm - Jordan only took bailouts and shot well anytime he had volume, let alone working and focusing on the shot like today's era

[Xiao Yao You]

I like you bro but you know damn well Rudy Gobert wouldn't be shit in the 90's. He'd be a second rate center.

He'd probably be better defensively in the 90's. Wouldn't have to leave the paint

[RRR3]

He'd probably be better defensively in the 90's. Wouldn't have to leave the paint
This is a good point. Rudy would probably be blocking like 5 shots a game in the 90s, at least during his best years. He’s blocking shots at a higher rate than Hakeem did in 1990 so far this year and Hakeem averaged 4.6 blocks that year.

[Xiao Yao You]

This is a good point. Rudy would probably be blocking like 5 shots a game in the 90s, at least during his best years. He’s blocking shots at a higher rate than Hakeem did in 1990 so far this year and Hakeem averaged 4.6 blocks that year.

He'd definitely block more shots. He doesn't get that many chances now. Players avoid him and post play is dead.

[Bronbron23]

Knowing how superior Jordan was as a jumpshooter in general - that lets me know he's vastly superior at threes if he took lebron's volume and worked on the shot like today's player

it's likely in my mind that the best 2-point jumpshooter would become the best 3-point shooter as well because the capacity was there (goat form, touch, mentality, history of improvement).

Volume shooters also have the advantage of getting in rhythm - Jordan only took bailouts and shot well anytime he had volume, let alone working and focusing on the shot like today's era

I don't think you can automatically make that leap. I agree he most likely would be better today because he'd work on it more but i don't think he'd be the best. He'd probably be above average like bron and kawhi. But he wouldn't be up there with guys like steph, klay and dame

[Bronbron23]

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:yaohappy:


Poor Snivelball.

I don't think anyone with any sense would say bron isn't a great traffic or facial dunker he's just not on MJ's level. Mj was a way more versatile dunker. He could dunk on guys off drop steps, hop steps, difficult angles. His quickness advantage also put him in better position to get these dunks. Again there's way more videos of mj dunking on people and dunking in traffic than there is of bron and we only have something like 40% of mj's highlights. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LvVx6xKlRIM&t=7s here's one

There's definitely shit that bron is better than mj at. Facial and traffic dunks isn't one of them. This isn't close dude. Stop trolling.

[RRR3]

Imagine naming your account after LeBron and then dedicating all your posts to obsessively hating on him :oldlol:

Love how Dumbdumb23 calls out me for “trolling” but not 3ball. How interesting.

[tpols]

He'd probably be better defensively in the 90's. Wouldn't have to leave the paint

He would get ragdolled though. We all saw what Shaq did to Mutumbo. And he was tough Congo. Rudy is French.

Cmon bro... Zo was 2nd rate and would absolutely body Rudy. And I like Gobert, but he doesn't have the muscle mass or tenacity of these guys.

https://alchetron.com/cdn/alonzo-mourning-a660ccdf-55cb-4db3-8425-9a55baacf80-resize-750.jpeg

Rudy is thin. He's skinny.

[Bronbron23]

Imagine naming your account after LeBron and then dedicating all your posts to obsessively hating on him :oldlol:

Love how Dumbdumb23 calls out me for “trolling” but not 3ball. How interesting.

I've had many disagreements with 3ball over mj Heated ones at that. I wonder how many arguments you've had with other bron stans? My guess is zero

[highwhey]

Ricky Rubio, perhaps the worst finisher in the NBA, is a career 50.4% shooter from 0-3 feet. In 1997, MJ was literally finishing at a Ricky Rubio like level. “GOAT finisher” doe :roll:

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[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

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LeBron doesn’t dunk on bigs doe lmao. I can post many more too



:yaohappy:


Poor Snivelball.

Mike definitely yammed on more bigs, but some of these Bron dunks are vicious. The posters on Timmy, Vucevic are Nurkic should be first degree murder. :biggums:

Like, how do you watch those clips and claim Bron wasn't on Jordan's level as a poster dunker. Or better yet, that it isn't even close. :oldlol: Some of the fanbois need to ease up on the hyperbole. I like MJ too but put the koolaid down.

[3ball]

I don't think you can automatically make that leap. I agree he most likely would be better today because he'd work on it more but i don't think he'd be the best. He'd probably be above average like bron and kawhi. But he wouldn't be up there with guys like steph, klay and dame


Neither Kawhi nor Lebron make the caliber of jumpers that Jordan did. They copy Jordan's style and do a much worse imitation than say, Kobe

So Jordan was an originator as a jumpshooter, like Curry.. that's the caliber of jumpshooter he was, but just a different era so two's instead of threes

[Haymaker]

Probably because Lebron is like a PG Karl Malone capable of getting to the paint at will and MJ's game revolved around his midrange during his penultimate season.

[3ball]

Probably because Lebron is like a PG Karl Malone capable of getting to the paint at will and MJ's game revolved around his midrange during his penultimate season.


Mid-range is always available at ANYTIME, whereas Lebron must wait to set up a drive and sometimes he can't get in there

I guess that's why Jordan hits the shots needed to win, while Lebron defers and loses 4th quarter leads as a standard in the Finals

And I guess that's why Lebron needs an equal scoring teammate (1b) and can't win with 2nd options that average far less.. he simply can't shoot well at the higher volumes required of 2nd options (more contested jumpshooting required)

[Xiao Yao You]

He would get ragdolled though. We all saw what Shaq did to Mutumbo. And he was tough Congo. Rudy is French.

Cmon bro... Zo was 2nd rate and would absolutely body Rudy. And I like Gobert, but he doesn't have the muscle mass or tenacity of these guys.

https://alchetron.com/cdn/alonzo-mourning-a660ccdf-55cb-4db3-8425-9a55baacf80-resize-750.jpeg

Rudy is thin. He's skinny.

He's not skinny. He's fit. He isn't a ***** either. He boxes. He doesn't get rag dolled by anyone today. He likely would have carried more weight if he played back than too. He certainly doesn't lack tenacity

[Gudo]

The game changed. Lanes were more clogged before and bigs can hit guards driving in so I imagine the difficulty of smaller guards like Jordan to score inside.