Lebron better improve his Finals record if he's to be compared to Jordan and Brady

[Walk on Water]

Come ONN. Lebron is playing in an era that's really soft. If Brady is winning rings at 43 and Jordan was scoring 40 points at age 40, then Lebron has no excuse. Brady is 7 and 3 and Jordan is 6 and 0. Lebron has lost 6 rings. He has to improve his Finals record. Tom Brady is doing it, getting it done. Tom Brady is better than Lebron ever was when it comes to winning. Lebron still has a lot to prove. He's only 36 years old. Brady is gonna play past 45 years old in a much tougher sport.

If Football is so easy, then why don't you see all these 50 year old quarterbacks winning rings? Because it ain't easy and Brady is the best at what he does. Period. If Lebron is as good as you guys say he is, he will continue to win. Then you have nothing to worry about. He's only 36. Football is tougher than basketball and you don't see quarterbacks winning at Brady's age. So I don't want to hear the excuses. Lebron still has a ways to go. He has more to prove.

It's like Rocky said. Go out and get what your worth. No Lebron, still has not done enough when it comes to winning. 4 rings is not horrible, even with his super teams, but he's lost 6 and can do SOOO much better if he wants to be on Jordan or Tom Brady's level.

He is NOT there. I am sorry. He needs to win more.

[3ball]

Agreed..

Everyone says "lebron won with 3 teams"

But it's really "Lebron mostly lost with 3 teams"

Any top star can make the Finals with Wade, Kyrie, or AD - it's the worst-ever record in the Finals (worst-ever Finals teams) that tell the story

[light]

You're too late.

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The last paragraph describes some of you perfectly.

The undefeated Jordan & Montana are being eclipsed by LeBron & Tom "I lost twice to Eli Manning and to Nick Foles" Brady.

Michael Jordan already knows that he's being surpassed by LeBron and is going to end up like Joe Montana.

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[HylianNightmare]

more like lebum

[TheGoatest]

:oldlol: @ Brady exposing the Pippen-less Jordan for the loser that he is by winning the Super Bowl at 43, whereas Jordan couldn't even make the playoffs in the weakest conference ever at the age of 38-39.

Only big boys win with all franchises they play for (3-3 for LeBron and 2-2 for Brady). No place for 1-2 small fries that need a specific teammate/coach to win in this club. :oldlol:

[8Ball]

Jordan stans insecure because their hero retired twice for being tired.

[bullettooth]

The comparison against MJ was over in 2007. 2011 solidified it. All the other finals losses just added to it.

What doesnt get mentioned though is that LeBron lost while colluding and inventing superteams... Thats really embarrassing.

[StrongLurk]

It's understood that Lebron needs at least a 5th ring to be considered on Kobe's/Jordan's level to a lot of casual fans.

[Axe]

You gotta love ish for being full of trolls who belong to different fanbases like the ones itt

[3ball]

You gotta love ish for being full of trolls who belong to different fanbases like the ones itt


Why is the great Tom Brady's championship record/team ceilings far better than Lebron's team ceilings?

Obviously, Tom Brady is fundamentally sound, so his skillset allows the best strategy/teamwork/brand of ball

[SouBeachTalents]

Why is the great Tom Brady's championship record/team ceilings far better than Lebron's team ceilings?

Obviously, Tom Brady is fundamentally sound, so his skillset allows the best strategy/teamwork/brand of ball
Brady > Jordan

[3ball]

Brady > Jordan


Does Brady lead the NFL in QB rating for 10 straight seasons that he played, and be 1st team all-defense (top 5 defender)?

Jordan was scoring champ and top 5 dpoy from 88-98'

:lebronamazed:

So no.

Jordan is the only player in any sport ever..... that was the top offensive producer and top 5 defensively.... for 10 years (88-98')..

That's an entirely higher level than Brady, who was carried in many ways by simply being a football player (more of a team game)

[bison]

LeBron is way better than Brady. Brady is a football quarterback. He already has a system. All he has to do is throw the ball. LeBron not only is the qb of his team, but he’s also the running back, wide receiver, coach AND GM. (He even referees sometimes). It’s no competition. Sure Brady has more rings. But 1 NBA ring is equal to 4 NFL rings so LeBron really has 16.

LeGOAT :bowdown:

[3ball]

LeBron is way better than Brady. Brady is a football quarterback. He already has a system. All he has to do is throw the ball. LeBron not only is the qb of his team, but he’s also the running back, wide receiver, coach AND GM. (He even referees sometimes). It’s no competition. Sure Brady has more rings. But 1 NBA ring is equal to 4 NFL rings so LeBron really has 16.

LeGOAT :bowdown:


Lebron is an assist hog (ball-dominator) and isn't an assist target (no off-ball)

so he actually doesn't create that many assists and has low assist teams

Ultimately, his ball-dominant, aau skillset produces the worst Finals teams ever (worst Finals record of modern era)

[SouBeachTalents]

Does Brady lead the NFL in QB rating for 10 straight seasons that he played, and be 1st team all-defense (top 5 defender)?

Jordan was scoring champ and top 5 dpoy from 88-98'

:lebronamazed:

So no.

Jordan is the only player in any sport ever..... that was the top offensive producer and top 5 defensively.... for 10 years (88-98')..

That's an entirely higher level than Brady, who was carried in many ways by simply being a football player (more of a team game)
Brady has more Super Bowl wins than every franchise, Jordan has barely half the rings of Russell

7 Super Bowls >>>>>>>>>> 6 NBA titles

[Axe]

Why is the great Tom Brady's championship record/team ceilings far better than Lebron's team ceilings?

Obviously, Tom Brady is fundamentally sound, so his skillset allows the best strategy/teamwork/brand of ball
Stfu

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[HighFlyer23]

Jordan fans talking reckless again

It's much harder to win 7 titles as a NFL QB than 6 titles as the leader or best player of an NBA team. You have no say in what happens defensively as a QB while as an NBA player you play both sides of the court. You have to potentially make up for your defense if they play poorly

Jordan couldn't even make the playoffs as a 39/40 year old and Brady just won another Super Bowl, the most coveted championship in American sports, at 43.

[TheCorporation]

*ahem*

LeBron is the bar. LeBar, if you will. Until someone else can reach 10 Finals or 7,491 playoff points, or 12 playoff game winners, they are beneath the king.

LeBar has been set. Good luck to all participants.

[k0kakw0rld]

Agreed..

Everyone says "lebron won with 3 teams"

But it's really "Lebron mostly lost with 3 teams"

Any top star can make the Finals with Wade, Kyrie, or AD - it's the worst-ever record in the Finals (worst-ever Finals teams) that tell the story
Considering the man went to 8 straight finals playing with 2 different teams.

What exactly other superstars were doing during that time?

KD had Harden and Russ and went to one NBA final only. He then proceeded to join the 73-9 Warriors who he choked a 3-1 lead to.

Kawhi had Duncan, Parker, Ginobili and won once with them.

Those are the only guys you can actually call superstars. Other than Iguodala (who was never a superstar), only 3 superstar caliber players have won a FMVP in the last decade.

Bron 3 FMVPs
KD 2 FMVPs
Kawhi 2 FMVPs
Iguodala 1 FMVP

[TheGoatest]

Jordan fans talking reckless again

It's much harder to win 7 titles as a NFL QB than 6 titles as the leader or best player of an NBA team. You have no say in what happens defensively as a QB while as an NBA player you play both sides of the court. You have to potentially make up for your defense if they play poorly

Jordan couldn't even make the playoffs as a 39/40 year old and Brady just won another Super Bowl, the most coveted championship in American sports, at 43.

I agree that Brady is greater than Jordan, but how in the world is the bolded part an argument that it's harder to win in football than basektball? All it does is show that being a part of a great team is an absolute necessity in order to win to a greater extent than other sports.

A star QB plays and thereby impacts, what 50-55% of a game?
A star basketball player plays 70% of a game, and in the playoffs/finals that extends to 80-90%.

Although both are team sports, a single player can impact a basketball game way more than a single player can impact a football game. Of all the team sports, football is the most team-oriented, and least individual-impacted one. Counting all the special teams players and reserves, there are like damn near 100 players on a pro football team.

[csh19792001]

:oldlol: @ Brady exposing the Pippen-less Jordan for the loser that he is by winning the Super Bowl at 43, whereas Jordan couldn't even make the playoffs in the weakest conference ever at the age of 38-39.

Only big boys win with all franchises they play for (3-3 for LeBron and 2-2 for Brady). No place for 1-2 small fries that need a specific teammate/coach to win in this club. :oldlol:

The Bulls had a .439 winning percentage with MJ on the team (before Pippen showed up).

[csh19792001]

Jordan is the only player in any sport ever..... that was the top offensive producer and top 5 defensively.... for 10 years (88-98')..

Offensive Win Shares, 1959-1960 through 1969-1970.
Oscar Robertson: 131.8
Wilt Chamberlain: 126.6
Jerry West: 97.4
Walt Bellamy: 83.4

Defensive Win Shares, same years:
Bill Russell: 113.1
Wilt Chamberlain: 74.1
Sam Jones: 40.0
John Havlicek: 39.6

Offensive Win Shares, 1987-1988 through 1997-1998:
Michael Jordan: 122.6
Karl Malone: 102.3
John Stockton: 100.5
Charles Barkley: 99.5

Defensive Win Shares, same years:
Hakeen Olajuwon: 69.0
Patrick Ewing: 64.7
Karl Malone: 60.3
David Robinson: 54.9
Scottie Pippen: 52.2
Dennis Rodman: 51.4
Michael Jordan: 49.6

A couple notes:

-Wilt played in a league that averaged 9 total teams, 1960-1970. Jordan played in a league averaging 28 total teams. Drastically easier to dominate with 3 times as many roster spots in the league for Jordan.

-Wilt had to totally reinvent his game mid career, going from a guy who averaged 40 ppg/32 shots per game with 1380 assists his first 7 years.....into a guy who focused on defense and passing and had 2793 assists the second half of his career. 20 ppg/12 shots per game.

Consider this:

Total Points, 1959-1960 through 1965-1966:
Wilt: 21,486
Baylor: 14,283
Robertson: 13,998
West: 12,020

Total Assists, All Centers/Forwards, 1966-1967 through 1972-1973:
Wilt: 2,793
Thurmond: 1,551
Unseld: 1,442
Bellamy: 1,360

[And1AllDay]

*ahem*

LeBron is the bar. LeBar, if you will. Until someone else can reach 10 Finals or 7,491 playoff points, or 12 playoff game winners, they are beneath the king.

LeBar has been set. Good luck to all participants.

+1

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