Giannis is not fun to watch

[ralph_i_el]

They should ref him like a post player if he's just going to initiate contact 15ft out. Let people actually play defense on him physically if you are going to let him play offense with this much physicality.

Don't even get me started on the carries :facepalm I know a lot of guys do this, but Giannis is so egregious it's embarrassing to watch.

It stands out a ton when you watch him play internationally, without the 3-seconds in the key rule and with more freedom to body up on defense.

[highwhey]

no shit. refs gift him calls and act blind to his carries.

he pushed off kaminsky and the refs called a foul on kaminsky. on the replay it was clear there wasn't any contact from kaminsky but giannis literally pushed kaminsky arm out of the way so he wouldn't get blocked. refs gave him the ball real quick and didn't allow the suns to challenge bc gianna was already at the line :facepalm

i could go on with other dumb bs calls. carries to the rim, shoots a floater and refs carefully watch to see if it goes in or not, if it doesn't *whistle*

[LAL]

I think he just took 3 steps and nobody noticed

[ralph_i_el]

Multiple times he has drawn fouls and they haven't shown the replay. I'd have liked a replay, because the fouls seemed like bullshit.

I don't get why they prop this up if they are not going to ref it this way for the playoffs.

[ZionDunks]

Usually pulled early bc of a blow out or being blown out. They are in general a horrible watch. The NBA product has so many issues

[Akeem34TheDream]

Multiple times he has drawn fouls and they haven't shown the replay. I'd have liked a replay, because the fouls seemed like bullshit.

I don't get why they prop this up if they are not going to ref it this way for the playoffs.

Yeah it looks like he chokes in the playoffs when the pressure is high but its not the case. Playoffs have become a different game than regular season thats why many players like Giannis perform worse.

[coin24]

No shit gianus is overrated af..

Apart from dunking he’s still offensively challenged

[PeroAntic]

Giannis is unwatchable really. his offensive 'repertoire' consists of travelling and pushing off people. People criticized Lebron for his freight train stiff arm drives, but Giannis is seriously ten times worse.

[LAL]

I love how he uses his size and athleticism

[highwhey]

Devin Booker's thoughts when he saw Giannis Antetokounmpo pulling up from the midrange area for the potential game-winner: "We're in good shape."

lil biiiaatch :roll: no one respects gianna

[RRR3]

Giannis is unwatchable really. his offensive 'repertoire' consists of travelling and pushing off people. People criticized Lebron for his freight train stiff arm drives, but Giannis is seriously ten times worse.
LeBron actually has skill, that’s why he’s still great. Giannis will be trash at 36.

[tpols]

I said this years ago and was lambasted for it. It's not real basketball.

[hold this L]

Still waiting for refs to ref Giannis, Trae, Luka and Harden reasonably well.. Still waiting..

[Kblaze8855]

LeBron actually has skill, that’s why he’s still great. Giannis will be trash at 36.


Lebron is great because even today he’s a freakish combo of size and coordination with great athleticism. If pure skill kept you great at his age without the body Larry Bird would have played till 1997. Much more skilled players than Lebron fell off much younger due to not having his athletic gifts and body.

Hell Kobe was more polished skills wise by a lot and fell off due to his body breaking down.

Being healthy enough to maintain his physical dominance is why Lebron is great at 36. If 36 year old Dirk had 36 year old Lebrons athletic ability he’d be better than he was in his prime.

Lebron is still an absurd athlete it’s just not as noticeable because he’s less than he was. He’s essentially mid to late career Karl Malone size wise with the mobility and coordination to be a full time point guard.

Lebron today....right now....is an anomaly. Just less than he used to be.

Give Lebron the athletic gifts of the likes of Kobe at the end or Bird or any number of supreme skill types he wouldn’t be Lebron anymore.

Hes just freak enough to be 80% of the godlike being he used to be because he takes insane care of himself. It’s to be commended....but let’s not act like he’s who he is without his incredible physical talents.

More skilled guys than he will ever be can’t maintain a high level at his age because the body just doesn’t cooperate. Lebron in Boris Diaws body would not just dominate off skill. He’s smart, an elite passer, and a much improved shooter....but from a skills point a view hes no....Nash....Bird....Kobe....

He just has more to work with from a physical point of view. Which isn’t a negative. It’s a sport. Physical tools count.

But it is what it is. Swap Mark Price and Lebrons body Lebron skills don’t keep 36 year old price in the nba. But if Lebron could shoot/handle/pass like 36 year old price in the body he has even now he’d wipe the floor with anyone in history.

Lebron is and always will be primarily a physical force. Which again....isn’t an insult. But no need pretending. Jordan isn’t Jordan when he got slow and Lebron wouldn’t be Lebron if he didn’t have the body he does.

He’s more polished than Giannis but put either of them into a body that isn’t exceptional and they aren’t being talked about much.

They don’t have the skill set to be Kyrie, Bird, Kobe, or whoever types who even while athletic in their ways don’t lean on it like they do.

Put Lebron or Giannis in Matt Harprings body? Lebron would be better....but neither is a superstar.

[Kblaze8855]

In fact I’ll say this....


Giannis in Matt Harprings body wouldn’t be in the nba.

Lebron in Mart Harprings might be Suns era Boris Diaw.

Hed be someone you knew....but not someone you regularly rave about.

[ralph_i_el]

I get what you're saying, but the skill difference between even a young LeBron and current Giannis is not really close. All the unfair criticisms of LeBron's game are actually true about Giannis.

[Airupthere]

In fact I’ll say this....


Giannis in Matt Harprings body wouldn’t be in the nba.

Lebron in Mart Harprings might be Suns era Boris Diaw.

Hed be someone you knew....but not someone you regularly rave about.

I cant disagree with this. :oldlol: at boris diaw though its right. Without his athleticism Lebron may just be someone who tries to be crafty, without much skills.

[Airupthere]

I get what you're saying, but the skill difference between even a young LeBron and current Giannis is not really close. All the unfair criticisms of LeBron's game are actually true about Giannis.

Giannis is a worse version of Lebron, I agree with that. But comparisons are warranted.

[tpols]

Boris Diaw wasn't a monopolizer or rim runner. Not really seeing the comparison. He was just a guy who always made the simple right play and didn't need a million dribbles to do it.

[Kblaze8855]

Lebron minus his athletic gifts wouldn’t be a point guard type or a slasher. He’s not one of the tall guys like Joe Johnson or Lamar Odom with somewhat tight handles he gets low with. He like KD and Giannis relies on looser modern rules that let him carry as he changes direction and arm hook and push off on his drives.

Make him slow and of average strength his entire approach would be different. More stationary and picking teams apart with his brain.

He’d be between Diaw and a no defense Draymond with a better jumper. No one player is a perfect comparison.


He’d be a good player....just not a big deal.

[LAL]

I watched both lebron and giannis yesterday, weird because lebron was the usual snoozefest untill the last minute or so, giannis was a monster. He's different than lebron, he's more explosive and has that shaq power when he's under the rim, uses his body and athleticism to a tee in general, very impressive. His weaknesses are known, but atleast you don't have media members and his fans pushing the goat argument for him like they did for lebron before 2012.

[jlip]

I get what you're saying, but the skill difference between even a young LeBron and current Giannis is not really close. All the unfair criticisms of LeBron's game are actually true about Giannis.

This. I've been saying this very thing for a while now. Giannis is what people tried to accuse Lebron of being earlier in his career, but Lebron was never quite that one dimensional as a a scorer.

[Mr. Woke]

I agree.

I prefer watching LeBron, AD, Durant, Kyrie, Harden, PG13, Kawhi, and Trae Young.

[ralph_i_el]

This. I've been saying this very thing for a while now. Giannis is what people tried to accuse Lebron of being earlier in his career, but Lebron was never quite that one dimensional as a a scorer.

Ben Simmons too

[Vragrant]

Giannis is unwatchable really. his offensive 'repertoire' consists of travelling and pushing off people. People criticized Lebron for his freight train stiff arm drives, but Giannis is seriously ten times worse.

I just don't understand why he won't improve his offensive skillset. No hookshots/turnaround jumpers or post up moves. Does he want to get bounced from the playoffs again? Do the Bucks coaching staff not realize what's held him back these last 2 years? I don't get it.

[PP34Deuce]

First off coordination is a skill. Lebron finishes through contact but also can add english to the ball and do layups while not jumping 30 inches in the air.

Offensively at the same age he was a better scorer and not just due to freak athleticsm. Lebron is not a bad shooter hes a streaky one. You dont average his ppg just being a bad shooter.

His ability to pass at elite levels is a big contribution to his physical gifts. You cant double him because of him making the right pass. That's skill

[ralph_i_el]

On the other hand, Middleton is fun as heck.

[Kblaze8855]

I just don't understand why he won't improve his offensive skillset. No hookshots/turnaround jumpers or post up moves. Does he want to get bounced from the playoffs again? Do the Bucks coaching staff not realize what's held him back these last 2 years? I don't get it.

For one....what’s held him back is the same thing that held pretty much everyone back the last decade. Not starting multiple hall of famers. For a decade now you either start a slew of hall of famers or you lose. Sole exception being when a team that had 3 hall of famers starting had 2 get injured so the Raptors snuck in a ring.

Giannis doesn’t lose in the playoffs any more than Harden, Lillard, Jokic, Embiid, pre Lakers Davis, Luka or whoever else isn’t on a super team. Steph is obviously joining that list without HOF running mates. It’s really simple....


Put him on a team with Lebron, Steph, KD, or whoever and suddenly he’s not gonna lose. If personal skill set got it done all these supreme scorers with polished games wouldn’t keep mobbing up on the same teams. Harden, Durant, and Kyrie are all polar opposites to Giannis approach wise but seem to feel they needed to all play together to win. They certainly weren’t relying on their individual skills.

They rely on overwhelming talent because that’s what it takes these days. You can compete a bit without it. You miiiiiight even sneak into the finals. But you don’t win. And as much as people will act like making the finals would prove something for Giannis 100% of his detractors would laugh when he inevitably lost to some team that has 2 of him instead of one and a Rip Hamilton type.

The most respected skill sets in the nba still only win when playing with their peers. That’s....why they keep doing it.

[8Ball]

Lebron minus his athletic gifts wouldn’t be a point guard type or a slasher. He’s not one of the tall guys like Joe Johnson or Lamar Odom with somewhat tight handles he gets low with. He like KD and Giannis relies on looser modern rules that let him carry as he changes direction and arm hook and push off on his drives.

Make him slow and of average strength his entire approach would be different. More stationary and picking teams apart with his brain.

He’d be between Diaw and a no defense Draymond with a better jumper. No one player is a perfect comparison.


He’d be a good player....just not a big deal.

Jordan without athletic gifts isn't even making college basketball.

Shaq without athletic gifts doesn't make NBA.


I hate these conversations that literally strip away half a players ability because they had superior genetics.

[tpols]

For one....what’s held him back is the same thing that held pretty much everyone back the last decade. Not starting multiple hall of famers. For a decade now you either start a slew of hall of famers or you lose. Sole exception being when a team that had 3 hall of famers starting had 2 get injured so the Raptors snuck in a ring.

Giannis doesn’t lose in the playoffs any more than Harden, Lillard, Jokic, Embiid, pre Lakers Davis, Luka or whoever else isn’t on a super team. Steph is obviously joining that list without HOF running mates. It’s really simple....


Put him on a team with Lebron, Steph, KD, or whoever and suddenly he’s not gonna lose. If personal skill set got it done all these supreme scorers with polished games wouldn’t keep mobbing up on the same teams. Harden, Durant, and Kyrie are all polar opposites to Giannis approach wise but seem to feel they needed to all play together to win. They certainly weren’t relying on their individual skills.

They rely on overwhelming talent because that’s what it takes these days. You can compete a bit without it. You miiiiiight even sneak into the finals. But you don’t win. And as much as people will act like making the finals would prove something for Giannis 100% of his detractors would laugh when he inevitably lost to some team that has 2 of him instead of one and a Rip Hamilton type.

The most respected skill sets in the nba still only win when playing with their peers. That’s....why they keep doing it.

He lost to a team with +6000 odds to win the title last year. That means if you put 100 dollars down, you'd win 6 grand. He lost as a big favorite. You can't spin that.

[Kblaze8855]

Oh and look at the confidence he came into the league shooting with:


https://youtu.be/patwm5DXFrE


His first shots were a confident three and a Dirk fade in the midrange.

And he was a lot worse.

He was never gonna be KD or Dirk. A shooting Giannis wouldn’t be the same force he is. He can add it back I guess but he clearly made the right choice development wise. Though I hear Jason Kidd had a lot to do with it. Didn’t want him shooting is what I’ve heard from Bucks fans.

Either way....let him add that jumper back. He still wouldn’t win without his mob of superstars or at least a second one with Middleton as a good 3. You have like 30 combined years of Kd, Lebron, and Harden showing you what happens when the second guy isn’t a HOF lock talent wise.

I don’t know why anyone think Giannis should be different when they consider him worse than all those guys. Last time you saw KD without a Monstar lineup it was losing 3 straight while shooting like 10-30 and before that getting shackled by the Grizzlies and Tony Allen shooting like 5-20 and maybe 10-30 as well.

I don’t know why people are convinced these polished scorers win and that’s what everyone needs to be to do it....when they watch them all lose for decades at a time....till they mob up into unbeatable super teams.


A pretty polished scoring skill set isn’t the common denominator for winners in this era.

Being a ho and refusing to stay on a team like the Bucks in the first place is.

The bucks are a fine team. So were the Thunder KD had(they were better than fine). Lebron left multiple fine teams. The Nets would have been fine without Harden.

But these days people don’t stick to having a solid team. They wanna make it a cake walk if possible because fans are stupid enough to judge players by playoff success no matter how they get it.

Dame can pull up from 36 feet all he likes. Luka can keep all the 40/15/13 games and so can Jokic. Giannis can win 55-65 games a year going hard on both ends being laughed at for how he gives a team 47/15.

Every one of them will lose when it counts and get reduced respect until they do exactly what fans act like they don’t want them to.

A good pull-up won’t save Giannis any more than it saved the 80 people in the hall of fame who didn’t have monster lineups to make them win.

All he’d do is wet the 19 footer and lose anyway just like KD and all the rest when they don’t have super teams.


Your options for victory are as follows....


Join a super team....or hope one you run into is injured enough to not be one at the moment.

Maybe one organic team will sneak in every 15 years but you certainly can’t count on it going forward.

[Kblaze8855]

He lost to a team with +6000 odds to win the title last year. That means if you put 100 dollars down, you'd win 6 grand. He lost as a big favorite. You can't spin that.

Why would I care to spin it? I’m not the one acting like it matters.

Much more respected people than Giannis lost to worse teams and in bigger upsets. An actual real life crackhead and Bernard Kings little brother beat Doctor J and Moses Malone backed up by 3 all stars. Shit happens.

Vegas odds don’t play basketball. It’s just something used by people with no ability to evaluate a situation like when you claimed Tmacs Magic were the 5th or whatever most likely team to win to act like they were talented....of course forgetting that the odd makers assumed Grant Hill would be playing. It really made it clear you take shit at face value and don’t even think your bullshit numbers through before posting.

Its a “Let me find a number real quick” argument that rarely has any merit. It just lets people with nothing to say put their argument on auto pilot. You like things like that and random formula stats. You’re one of those guys. And that’s fine. It just makes us incompatible to have real conversations.

[tpols]

There were no injuries to the bucks though. You're right about the magic, grant hill was hurt after the odds and expectations were set. Nobody on the bucks got hurt. Giannis was just thoroughly dominated by an underdog team due to lack of skillset. Durant or Dirk would have never lost to the Heat. Maybe the Lakers because 2 superstars > 1, but not Miami.

[Kblaze8855]

You like almost all fans(myself included many times) have no clue what you’re talking about beyond the broad strokes. Just using results to pull reasons out of your ass because a bad result let’s you assign whatever cause you wish. It’s the sports media style of discussion people are used to due to decades of watching people boil down arguments into sound bytes for idiot fans to consume easier than a real conversation.


Giannis skill set doesn’t make him lose any more than all the great shooters lose despite it. Talking about what KD would do as if the last time he was missing his HOF sidekick Giannis never had he didn’t get wiped out in 5 shooting like shit vs a Memphis team with no superstars at all or as if he didn’t lose his 7 other seasons beautiful jumper and all.

If KD thought he could win without hall of famers he wouldn’t be making sure he always had a slew of them these days.

KD with a talented but not overwhelming lineup loses and logs into burner accounts to shit on his teammates.

You wanna lean on results in lieu of analysis lean on those.

[clipps]

Nice take, OP. You can eat my ass any day.

[tpols]

The Bucks had far more help for Giannis than the 2013 Thunder had for KD. You really want to compare the casts? Kevin Martin was the 2nd leading scorer and he averaged 14 ppg. The Bucks have good help. Not superstar help but the team that had them down 0-3 didn't have that either. Kris Middleton actually looked better than Giannis. Durant doubled up the next best player on his team. He was out there dropping a team best 99 DRTG grabbing 10 boards a game and averaging almost 30 points and you want to compare that to what Giannis did last year? You can't just ignore context.

The Grizz also had Marc Gasol, Zbo, and Mike Conley. So acting like they were scrubs is disingenuous.

[Kblaze8855]

Good but not superstar help is what people have while they lose for 10 years then destroy the league on an unfair super team.

Aside from the year Curry was left playing with rec league dudes due to injury and the year Lebron had the same with Kyrie/love out....

Your other guy/guys are better than Middleton if you wanna win.

KD wouldn’t even stay on a roster with Middleton as his sidekick. Neither would Lebron. We kinda....have a record of them not being pleased with it.

Dudes take their talents to Southbeach/Oakland/New Jersey/La when their other guy is anything close to Middleton.


Lebron, Curry, Kd, Harden, Kyrie, George, AD, Russ, Wade, Leonard, Paul....



All of them played with someone else on that list and 6 of them played with multiple people on it.


Thats what the star wings do the last 10 years.


You give it a go with a guy like Middleton...then you give up and form a super team.

[Jasper]

I watch ever Bucks game , and Giannis is developing in more ways than one.
First off- he is one of the hardest workers in the NBA (I will say maybe top 3)
example - this early season he missed like 9 out of 10 free throws and he was absolutely discussed with himself (This guy is proud)
Last game he played or the game before he was like 13 of 16 made.
He now has a mid-range game, he still can knock down the three when open , and he picks his drives (down hill)
Because of his down hill drives / he is the BEST at low post percentage player in the league.
For anyone saying he is not fun to watch (doesn't know what a 2x MVP and defensive player of the year can do)
Here's a prediction for you (within 3 years the Bucks will win a chip)

[hold this L]

I watch ever Bucks game , and Giannis is developing in more ways than one.
First off- he is one of the hardest workers in the NBA (I will say maybe top 3)
example - this early season he missed like 9 out of 10 free throws and he was absolutely discussed with himself (This guy is proud)
Last game he played or the game before he was like 13 of 16 made.
He now has a mid-range game, he still can knock down the three when open , and he picks his drives (down hill)
Because of his down hill drives / he is the BEST at low post percentage player in the league.
For anyone saying he is not fun to watch (doesn't know what a 2x MVP and defensive player of the year can do)
Here's a prediction for you (within 3 years the Bucks will win a chip)

He doesn't though. Booker said after the game that when they forced Giannis to take mid range Js at the end of the game, that they were in good shape.


Giannis is a superstar but he's 1 of 4 players that would be a worse player if the refs didn't help him so much.

[Kblaze8855]

4 players?

Let the refs call ball handling violations like in the old days when they followed the rules and you would immediately bump that number to 400. The totally fabricated “zero step” is used on probably half the drives in the nba. Between that and all the tall ball handlers being allowed to carry?

Take away all points scored by zero steps, carrying, off arm shoves, and all the bullshit the league changed 90% of the players would look different.

[paksat]

but when lebronze does this same stuff his fans tell me he's the GOAT!

[Proctor]

I watch ever Bucks game , and Giannis is developing in more ways than one.
First off- he is one of the hardest workers in the NBA (I will say maybe top 3)
example - this early season he missed like 9 out of 10 free throws and he was absolutely discussed with himself (This guy is proud)
Last game he played or the game before he was like 13 of 16 made.
He now has a mid-range game, he still can knock down the three when open , and he picks his drives (down hill)
Because of his down hill drives / he is the BEST at low post percentage player in the league.
For anyone saying he is not fun to watch (doesn't know what a 2x MVP and defensive player of the year can do)
Here's a prediction for you (within 3 years the Bucks will win a chip)
Absolutely not.

And if Giannis is the hard worker he's touted to be, surely he can develop a consistent shot that actually falls when it matters.

[StrongLurk]

I like Giannis a lot as a person and competitor, but his game is not fun to watch.

Honestly, he is the poster boy of having his stats and "game" inflated due to this era. He would not be as good as he is now if the NBA was what it was just ten years ago.

I still think he is a really dominant player but he is very gimmicky still.

He's not in my top 5 for best NBA players come playoff time.

[ralph_i_el]

4 players?

Let the refs call ball handling violations like in the old days when they followed the rules and you would immediately bump that number to 400. The totally fabricated “zero step” is used on probably half the drives in the nba. Between that and all the tall ball handlers being allowed to carry?

Take away all points scored by zero steps, carrying, off arm shoves, and all the bullshit the league changed 90% of the players would look different.

Who benefits more than Giannis? If you watch him under stricter basketball rules, this is very very clear.

If you make everyone follow the rules, KD is still a top scorer.

I never said Giannis isn't great. I just said he isn't great to watch.

[ralph_i_el]

but when lebronze does this same stuff his fans tell me he's the GOAT!

If Giannis was out there threading the needle and hitting shooters cross court consistently like LeBron, he'd probably have a ring already, and I'd not have made this thread because big men with elite court vision are fun as hell to watch.

[RRR3]

Lebron minus his athletic gifts wouldn’t be a point guard type or a slasher. He’s not one of the tall guys like Joe Johnson or Lamar Odom with somewhat tight handles he gets low with. He like KD and Giannis relies on looser modern rules that let him carry as he changes direction and arm hook and push off on his drives.

Make him slow and of average strength his entire approach would be different. More stationary and picking teams apart with his brain.

He’d be between Diaw and a no defense Draymond with a better jumper. No one player is a perfect comparison.


He’d be a good player....just not a big deal.
Since when does LeBron play no defense? You watched him recently? Also elite defender in his prime.

[Airupthere]

Since when does LeBron play no defense? You watched him recently? Also elite defender in his prime.

He plays D in spurts.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You play Giannis physical or with rules similar to FIBA, and he'd suffer more than a lot of these so-called stars.

The comparison to Lebron is laughable btw

[Gohan]

Lmao at anyone that actually put Giannis on lebrons level he’s not even close. Remember clowns saying he would surpass him

[tpols]

One thing I can respect about Giannis is that he is a true warrior and doesn't play like a ho. I've never seen him do any crazy flopping or anything.

[Kblaze8855]

The no d comment is based on Lebron without athletic ability AND in comparison to Dray which is obviously a high defensive standard in his prime. To be clear once more...what you might be without your athletic traits doesn’t matter at all. Just speaking hypothetically.


In other news....every person I see in Miami speaks Spanish until they realize you don’t. Even the white people. I’m in family dollar and the apparently white cashiers spoke to me in Spanish before my blank stare corrected it.

I know there are black Cubans and Dominicans and so on and they may assume that’s the case but it just feels weird. I’ve been here several times and never noticed this happen till now.

[ralph_i_el]

One thing I can respect about Giannis is that he is a true warrior and doesn't play like a ho. I've never seen him do any crazy flopping or anything.

Agreed. I would love to play with Giannis as a player honestly. He does dirty work and draws a ton of attention.

[ralph_i_el]

The no d comment is based on Lebron without athletic ability AND in comparison to Dray which is obviously a high defensive standard in his prime. To be clear once more...what you might be without your athletic traits doesn’t matter at all. Just speaking hypothetically.


In other news....every person I see in Miami speaks Spanish until they realize you don’t. Even the white people. I’m in family dollar and the apparently white cashiers spoke to me in Spanish before my blank stare corrected it.

I know there are black Cubans and Dominicans and so on and they may assume that’s the case but it just feels weird. I’ve been here several times and never noticed this happen till now.

Good time to practice some!

Thinking about Dray though. I wonder if LeBron was his level of athleticism, if he wouldn't also have applied his BBiq towards defense out of necessity, like Dray. A lot of people didn't even think Dray was going to make it in the league coming out of college. He mastered D out of necessity just to get on the court.

[Gohan]

Agreed. I would love to play with Giannis as a player honestly. He does dirty work and draws a ton of attention.

So you tellin me you wouldn’t get frustrated with his offensive fouls?

[tpols]

The no d comment is based on Lebron without athletic ability AND in comparison to Dray which is obviously a high defensive standard in his prime. To be clear once more...what you might be without your athletic traits doesn’t matter at all. Just speaking hypothetically.


In other news....every person I see in Miami speaks Spanish until they realize you don’t. Even the white people. I’m in family dollar and the apparently white cashiers spoke to me in Spanish before my blank stare corrected it.

I know there are black Cubans and Dominicans and so on and they may assume that’s the case but it just feels weird. I’ve been here several times and never noticed this happen till now.

Thats because spanish people are rapidly entering the country and have way higher birth rates than white people. I know spanish though, all the stores around me speak spanish, but they really do talk way faster than english speaking people.

[Jasper]

posters telling me otherwise / obviously is not watching him like I do--- you are stuck in some stereo type / and Giannis is not that..
He plays what the league allows.

[jbryan1984]

He is one of the most boring superstars ever to watch imo. I always assumed I just caught his bad games

[ralph_i_el]

Thats because spanish people are rapidly entering the country and have way higher birth rates than white people. I know spanish though, all the stores around me speak spanish, but they really do talk way faster than english speaking people.

The mexican-born population in the US has been decreasing for years, and the Central American immigrant population has gone from ~3m to 4m in the last 10 years.

The immigration wave that apparently still scares people happened a generation ago. It's going to be just like it went for Italian-Americans and the like.

Or maybe the monoculture isn't strong enough to assimilate folks like we used to. :confusedshrug:

[JohnMax]

What's the excuse for all the other 7 footers in the league then? Why can't they do what Giannis is doing?

Because they don't have the body control, core strength, coordination, court vision, ball handling, spatial awareness, or touch around the rim Giannis does...they aren't as skilled as Giannis

[Mr. Woke]

Eh, he doesn't do anything for me.

Also, he isn't as likable to me as other guys like LeBron, KD, Harden, Kyrie, etc.

[clipps]

Eh, he doesn't do anything for me.

Also, he isn't as likable to me as other guys like LeBron, KD, Harden, Kyrie, etc.

Since when were those guys likable?

[Mr. Woke]

Since when were those guys likable?

To me they are very likable.

It helps that I don't let the NBA media brainwash my mind with their biased narratives.

[k0kakw0rld]

OP is right. Bucks have no idea what to do if Giannis can't get in the paint. Like, what the fk am I watching? :biggums:

[Axe]

Bucks are beyond unwatchable rn

[SATAN]

Watching Giannis try to be a play maker and jack up 3s is ****ing awkward no matter how you twist it. I would respect him more if he stuck to what he's good at instead of trying to be LeBron Durant.

Can't help wonder if the Harden comments got to him a year or two ago.

[k0kakw0rld]

Watching Giannis try to be a play maker and jack up 3s is ****ing awkward no matter how you twist it. I would respect him more if he stuck to what he's good at instead of trying to be LeBron Durant.

Can't help wonder if the Harden comments got to him a year or two ago.
Mike bulldozer (whatever his last name is) has no idea what to do with him or this team.

Look at Doc Rivers the way he is using Ben. Clearly something wrong with that coach.

[tpols]

Charles Barkley at the current half time show just gave a brilliant point. He said


"Giannis shouldn't be starting the offense, he should be finishing it."

So ****ing true. Imagine if instead of just dribble spamming at the top trying to play QB and RB at the same time... imagine if Giannis tried to play WR/TE. If he tried to seal guys off and force off ball doubles. Imagine what that would do to the defense. It would be Shaq like, but Giannis tries to be Harden but he can't shoot. If you can't shoot you can't play QB. That's like not being able to pass and thinking you can play the position. Lamar Jackson and Cam Newton types never win at the top level of QB. You have to be able to pass. (shoot... for basketball)

[8Ball]

Giannis doesn't have the BBIQ to run the offence. Should have joined the Lakers.

[Axe]

Mike bulldozer (whatever his last name is) has no idea what to do with him or this team.

Look at Doc Rivers the way he is using Ben. Clearly something wrong with that coach.
Mike bulldozer :roll: