Lakers rank #1 defensively, but not because of Bron, and Bron is #15 on offense (PER)

[3ball]

So why is this guy an MVP candidate?

Fraud.. That's how.. He was lottery before AD

This is how I feel about the media's BASKETBALL COVERAGE in this country:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6V33Op4UHPI&t=03m38s

[8Ball]

Wrong.

Lakers defensive numbers are better when LeBron is on the court vs off the court for this year.

PER is not a true metric for offense. Team offensive rating on / off + PPP >>>>>>>>>>>> PER.


MVP #5 coming.


No player has ever won the MVP award 13 years apart from the first time they won it.


#StriveforGreatness

[HBK_Kliq_2]

The media is getting paid off by LeBron? Only thing I can think of. Absolutely embarrassing that they came to the conclusion he is MVP this season over Kawhi.

[8Ball]

Media gifted Kawhi his 2014 finals MVP.

Media is also gifting Kawhi all defensive teams that Kawhi doesn't deserve anymore.

Kawhi is being slurped by the media if anything.

[8Ball]

LeBron about to win his FIF MVP award.

2009
2021

13 years apart.

Jordan's entire career with the bulls was 13 years, which includes 2 seasons which he played 18 games. :oldlol:

Jordan's real career is only 11 seasons..... LeBron about to LAP Jordan like Captain America.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Bron is literally #1 in RPM and top 5 in BPM. Moreover both measures are clearly better than PER.

Put the crack pipe down.

[welfarefan]

Put the crack pipe down.

Pass that shit here :biggums:

[FKAri]

Basketball coverage isn't a serious thing. It's entertainment. It's just an asinine game played with an orange ball. lol @ comparing it with the precarious political state of the nation. You're not 12 anymore. Grow the fucc up.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Media gifted Kawhi his 2014 finals MVP.

Media is also gifting Kawhi all defensive teams that Kawhi doesn't deserve anymore.

Kawhi is being slurped by the media if anything.

Kawhi anchored a top 5 defense last season, he deserved all defensive team. Kawhi and Beverly on the court together this season have had a 100 defensive rating.

As far as 2014, advanced stat RAPTOR said kawhi was a top 5 player in the league in regular season. He also led spurs in VORP during reg season and playoffs. In the finals, he averaged 24PPG on 69% FG in 3 straight wins (they were blowouts or it would of been 30PPG).

In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about. This will be the 3rd regular season MVP that Kawhi gets screwed out of (2016,2017 are the first two).

[3ball]

Basketball coverage isn't a serious thing. It's entertainment. It's just an asinine game played with an orange ball. lol @ comparing it with the precarious political state of the nation. You're not 12 anymore. Grow the fucc up.


It's hard to tell who is more fake - sports or political media - both are jokes

[3ball]

Lakers defensive numbers are better when LeBron is on the court vs off the court for this year.





:kobe:... low bar

the MVP standard right now is dpoy-caliber (Giannis) - so how is lebron on par with that standard if AD is the dpoy guy carrying the defense?

Again... It's fraud

[8Ball]

Kawhi anchored a top 5 defense last season, he deserved all defensive team. Kawhi and Beverly on the court together this season have had a 100 defensive rating.

As far as 2014, advanced stat RAPTOR said kawhi was a top 5 player in the league in regular season. He also led spurs in VORP during reg season and playoffs. In the finals, he averaged 24PPG on 69% FG in 3 straight wins (they were blowouts or it would of been 30PPG).

In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about. This will be the 3rd regular season MVP that Kawhi gets screwed out of (2016,2017 are the first two).

Kawhi wouldn't dare guard Jamal Murray game 7 while Jamal lit you guys up for 40 points and humiliated you.

RAPTOR has Mike Conley up there with everyone. GTFO with these garbage stats.

Kawhi never deserved any MVP awards rightfully so. And 2014 Finals MVP was a media given gift. Kawhi fans should be on their knees for the media.

[8Ball]

:kobe:... low bar

the MVP standard right now is dpoy-caliber (Giannis) - so how is lebron on par with that standard if AD is the dpoy guy carrying the defense?

Again... It's fraud

Opponents have 104 offensive rating when LeBron is on the court. That's about #1 defensively.

Opponents have 107 offensive rating when AD is on the court.


LeBron is first team all defence calibre this year.... high bar

[8Ball]

:kobe:... low bar

the MVP standard right now is dpoy-caliber (Giannis) - so how is lebron on par with that standard if AD is the dpoy guy carrying the defense?

Again... It's fraud


Wrong Wrong Wrong.


Giannis team Milwaukee Bucks is right now 14th in the league defensively. How can you win DPOY if your team is 14th in the league defensively?


Lakers are #1 defensively while AD misses 25% of the games so far. LeBron is the DPOY.


You don't watch basketball games so I wouldn't expect you to know anything.


Gonna take years to teach 3ball basic basketball facts.

[light]

So why is this guy an MVP candidate?

Fraud.. That's how.. He was lottery before AD

This is how I feel about the media's BASKETBALL COVERAGE in this country:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6V33Op4UHPI&t=03m38s

Still eternally wrong.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Screen-Shot-2021-02-14-at-12.11.14-PM.png

King James leads the league in RPM.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Screen-Shot-2021-02-14-at-12.17.29-PM.png

King James leads all Forwards in Defensive RPM:

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Screen-Shot-2021-02-14-at-12.16.49-PM.png
https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Screen-Shot-2021-02-14-at-12.25.28-PM.png

LeBron should not only win MVP be he should also be a major candidate for Defensive Player of the Year.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/LeBron-DPOY.png

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi wouldn't dare guard Jamal Murray game 7 while Jamal lit you guys up for 40 points and humiliated you.

RAPTOR has Mike Conley up there with everyone. GTFO with these garbage stats.

Kawhi never deserved any MVP awards rightfully so. And 2014 Finals MVP was a media given gift. Kawhi fans should be on their knees for the media.

Kawhi outscored Jamal Murray in the series. Lebron was outscored by Jason Terry in a series. There was also no bubble excuse, so getting outscored by Terry is just a disgrace. Shooting was insane during the bubble.

Mike Conley has been extremely impactful this season and is playing at allstar level on the best team in the NBA, i don't see anything wrong with that.

2014 finals MVP was won by averaging 24PPG on 69% FG in 3 straight finals wins. Also was the biggest finals beatdown in NBA history at the time and all Kawhi had was washed up Duncan who was averaging 12PPG for the 3 straight finals wins.

[Xiao Yao You]

Kawhi outscored Jamal Murray in the series. Lebron was outscored by Jason Terry in a series. There was also no bubble excuse, so getting outscored by Terry is just a disgrace. Shooting was insane during the bubble.

Mike Conley has been extremely impactful this season and is playing at allstar level on the best team in the NBA, i don't see anything wrong with that.

2014 finals MVP was won by averaging 24PPG on 69% FG in 3 straight finals wins. Also was the biggest finals beatdown in NBA history at the time and all Kawhi had was washed up Duncan who was averaging 12PPG for the 3 straight finals wins.

Conley doesn't have big traditional numbers or triple doubles so he can't be taken seriously!

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Conley doesn't have big traditional numbers or triple doubles so he can't be taken seriously!

And he quotes ESPN's RPM that has CJ MCCOLLUM as the 3rd best player in the league, how is that anybody then ranking Conley high.

[light]

And he quotes ESPN's RPM that has CJ MCCOLLUM as the 3rd best player in the league, how is that anybody then ranking Conley high.

Chill. McCollum has only played 13 games so he has a little bit of an advantage over others by playing really well with a small sample size.

But as of right now he is ballin' his balls off.

[tontoz]

OP is so butthurt right now. :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

OP is so butthurt right now. :roll:
The guy just chose the wrong argument. No fcking way when he started this mission 7 years ago did he think LeBron would STILL be winning FMVP's & in MVP contention at 36 years old in his 18th season :lol LeBron's been proving him wrong for two presidential terms now.

[Thenameless]

So why is this guy an MVP candidate?

You don't have to look very hard. He's the best player on the team that just won the Championship. It's really not that hard to figure out is it?

[Chick Stern]

OP used PER, therefore his take is moot

[8Ball]

OP used PER, therefore his take is moot

PER is a low level stat for people that think they know anything about NBA numbers.

[Hey Yo]

Bulls defense ranked higher when MJ quit and replaced by 6th round pick Pete Myers.

[sdot_thadon]

The guy just chose the wrong argument. No fcking way when he started this mission 7 years ago did he think LeBron would STILL be winning FMVP's & in MVP contention at 36 years old in his 18th season :lol LeBron's been proving him wrong for two presidential terms now.:roll:
I warned him back then, must be painful for him. Seems like a glutton for punishment tho tbh.

[3ball]

So why is this guy an MVP candidate?

Fraud.. That's how.. He was lottery before AD





Told ya - AD must be the top dog to beat Denver or other real teams

[3ball]

:roll:
I warned him back then, must be painful for him. Seems like a glutton for punishment tho tbh.


He mostly loses everywhere he goes, regardless of cast... He's 4/10 and 3/7 with super-teams (11-17'), including the worst championship record ever

So he's been proving me right - as time passes, his stats, performance and accomplishment prove he's nowhere near MJ..

He can't even take contested jumpers or win with a true 2nd option

[Team_Chemistry]

Lebron got surprised by Campazzo, lol:

https://twitter.com/miguegranados/status/1361183111728488453?s=20

[sdot_thadon]

He mostly loses everywhere he goes, regardless of cast... He's 4/10 and 3/7 with super-teams (11-17'), including the worst championship record ever

So he's been proving me right - as time passes, his stats, performance and accomplishment prove he's nowhere near MJ..

He can't even take contested jumpers or win with a true 2nd option

All these points have been slaughtered by various posters here already to the point of nausea. Mj lost more than he won as well. Pretty much everyone but Russell did. And never forget Mj always and I mean always had better teams than what he faced, we settled that years ago. Also I get the impression that you believe after 75 years and 1000s of players to pass through this league that there is only one way to play the game. That idea in itself fails you as both a fan and a debate participant.

[Shooter]

Still eternally wrong.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Screen-Shot-2021-02-14-at-12.11.14-PM.png

King James leads the league in RPM.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Screen-Shot-2021-02-14-at-12.17.29-PM.png

King James leads all Forwards in Defensive RPM:

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Screen-Shot-2021-02-14-at-12.16.49-PM.png
https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Screen-Shot-2021-02-14-at-12.25.28-PM.png

LeBron should not only win MVP be he should also be a major candidate for Defensive Player of the Year.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/LeBron-DPOY.png

Wrekt! We win again

[tpols]

LeBrons greatest strength is his longevity. The media will tell you he's top 5 or whatever, but lets be real... he's not even close to being top 5 at basketball. There are many many players who are more skilled and many thousands more that never made it due to circumstance. (like teenagers who got shot or thrown in prison for whatever reason, or euros who were discriminated against) He was obliterated by a man half his size in Steph Curry, and before that the old spurs jacked him up exploiting his jumpshootong skill. And before that the Mavs. And before that the Celtics. Being elite at shooting a basketball is really important in basketball, to his credit he's gotten better at it over time.

[Airupthere]

LeBrons greatest strength is his longevity. The media will tell you he's top 5 or whatever, but lets be real... he's not even close to being top 5 at basketball. There are many many players who are more skilled and many thousands more that never made it due to circumstance. (like teenagers who got shot or thrown in prison for whatever reason) He was obliterated by a man half his size in Steph Curry, and before that the old spurs jacked him up exploiting his jumpshootong skill. And before that the Mavs. And before that the Celtics. Being elite at shooting a basketball is really important in basketball, to his credit he's gotten better at it over time.

Yes sir! :applause:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Chill. McCollum has only played 13 games so he has a little bit of an advantage over others by playing really well with a small sample size.

But as of right now he is ballin' his balls off.

Mike Conley is 8th on RPM. So he shits on RAPTOR for ranking Conley high but praises RPM for ranking Conley high, what an idiot.

[dankok8]

Yea... Lakers are #15 in ORtg and #1 in DRtg. LeStans don't care though. Truth is not what they are after!

DRPM is based on plus-minus stats which are lineup stats. Don't tell me we are using DRPM for arguments now. Lebron is a good defender but not a great one. Nowhere near All-Defensive material. Most of the time he hides from tough offensive assignments.