RPM vs RAPTOR: who has the better top 5 list since 2014?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Which top 5 list from 2014-2020 do you look at and think is more accurate?


ESPN's RPM:


2014: 1) Chris Paul 2) Stephen Curry 3) Kevin Durant 4) James Harden 5) Dirk Nowitzki
2015: 1) Stephen Curry 2) Chris Paul 3) Lebron James 4) Kyle Korver 5) Kevin Durant
2016: 1) Stephen Curry 2) Lebron James 3) Kevin Durant 4) Kawhi Leonard 5) Kyle Lowry
2017: 1) Stephen Curry 2) Lebron James 3) Chris Paul 4) Kyle Lowry 5) Rudy Gobert
2018: 1) Kyle Lowry 2) Stephen Curry 3) Fred Vanvleet 4) Chris Paul 5) James Harden
2019: 1) Stephen Curry 2) Lebron James 3) James Harden 4) Giannis 5) Kyle Lowry
2020: 1) Giannis 2) Lebron James 3) James Harden 4) Nikola Jokic 5) Chris Paul


FiveThirtyEight's RAPTOR:

2014: 1) Chris Paul 2) Stephen Curry 3) Kevin Durant 4) Kawhi Leonard 5) Kevin Love
2015: 1) Stephen Curry 2) Chris Paul 3) Anthony Davis 4) Kawhi Leonard 5) James Harden
2016: 1) Stephen Curry 2) Kawhi Leonard 3) Draymond Green 4) Chris Paul 5) Lebron James
2017: 1) Kawhi Leonard 2) Stephen Curry 3) Chris Paul 4) Draymond Green 5) Lebron James
2018: 1) James Harden 2) Chris Paul 3) Jimmy Butler 4) Stephen Curry 5) Victor Oladipo
2019: 1) James Harden 2) Paul George 3) Nikola Jokic 4) Stephen Curry 5) Joel Embiid
2020: 1) James Harden 2) Kawhi Leonard 3) Giannis 4) Lebron James 5) Anthony Davis

[warriorfan]

King Dingo

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Both lists say that Lebron hasn't been #1 player since 2014 hahahah Lecoward.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Both lists say that Lebron hasn't been #1 player since 2014 hahahah Lecoward.

:confusedshrug:

Bron led it just last year. Click the "WINS" tab which adjusts for games played.

[999Guy]

I’m impartial to RAPTOR. Their boxscore component is still play by play data with different weight to different types of plays.

Rpm became a mess after the creator stepped down.

[light]

The one that has LeBron closer to the top is going to be the most accurate.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I’m impartial to RAPTOR. Their boxscore component is still play by play data with different weight to different types of plays.

Rpm became a mess after the creator stepped down.

I'm very impressed with RAPTOR's ability to see Kawhi as the top 5 player he was in 2014. RPM seems to be in love with putting point guards at #1

[HBK_Kliq_2]

:confusedshrug:

Bron led it just last year. Click the "WINS" tab which adjusts for games played.

Giannis was better in RPM, lebron only had more wins because Bucks rested Giannis in a lot of blowouts.

This year, ESPN must of felt sorry for Lebron.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Both lists say that Lebron hasn't been #1 player since 2014 hahahah Lecoward.
Well that sucks. I guess he'll have to take his two Championship rings as a consolation prize.

[And1AllDay]

wow kiwi teamed up with the leagues #1 rpm leader in 2019? what a coward

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Giannis was better in RPM, lebron only had more wins because Bucks rested Giannis in a lot of blowouts.

Not true. Lebron was better in RPM. Wins are just added context within the stat.

Giannis resting may or may not have made an impact, so its speculation at best.


This year, ESPN must of felt sorry for Lebron.

ESPN "feeling sorry" for Lebron is a goofy retort. You better think of another excuse :lol

[HBK_Kliq_2]

wow Lowry was #1 rpm leader in 2018 and still got swept in the 2nd round? what a coward

That's why this is a regular season stat, playoffs are a different game.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Not true. Lebron was better in RPM. Wins are just added context within the stat.

Giannis resting may or may not have made an impact, so its speculation at best.



ESPN "feeling sorry" for Lebron is a goofy retort. You better think of another excuse :lol

Lebron RPM: 9.58
Giannis RPM: 10.30

[Stephonit]

Both of these were data mined to come up with the results they wanted at the time they were created. Going forward expect their results to diverge from conventional wisdom. If they deviate too much from expected they will be "revised" like the way PER has been changed because of Russell Westbrook's number in 2017. I will go with raw data that hasn't been massaged with a prior bias: raw plus-minus—then look at the outliers.

[warriorfan]

Both of these were data mined to come up with the results they wanted at the time they were created. Going forward expect their results to diverge from conventional wisdom. If they deviate too much from expected they will be "revised" like the way PER has been changed because of Russell Westbrook's number in 2017. I will go with raw data that hasn't been massaged with a prior bias: raw plus-minus—then look at the outliers.

:lebronamazed:

[TheGoatest]

Victor Oladipo? Kyle Korver??

:oldlol:

Both of those stats suck shyt through a straw.

The best indication of a player's greatness by far are the Value Over Replacement Player rankings for the playoffs:

https://images2.imagebam.com/e6/a0/a6/ed0b3a1370422135.png

https://images2.imagebam.com/ef/63/2a/c351cd1370422881.png

[Sulico]

Victor Oladipo? Kyle Korver??

:oldlol:

Both of those stats suck shyt through a straw.

The best indication of a player's greatness by far are the Value Over Replacement Player rankings for the playoffs:

https://images2.imagebam.com/e6/a0/a6/ed0b3a1370422135.png

https://images2.imagebam.com/ef/63/2a/c351cd1370422881.png

Sure, any stat that values loosing series in 7 games over winning it in 4 is a great stat.

Keep up the good work, buddy.

[Akeem34TheDream]

Sure, any stat that values loosing series in 7 games over winning it in 4 is a great stat.

Keep up the good work, buddy.

:roll:

[TheGoatest]

Sure, any stat that values loosing series in 7 games over winning it in 4 is a great stat.

Keep up the good work, buddy.

Imagine making fun of someone winning a series in 7 games instead of 4 while trying to push an agenda that losing in the first round or even missing the playoffs looks better than losing in the finals. :oldlol:

[Sulico]

Imagine making fun of someone winning a series in 7 games instead of 4 while trying to push an agenda that losing in the first round or even missing the playoffs looks better than losing in the finals. :oldlol:

What the hell are you even talking about? What does missing playoffs have to do with playoffs VORP?