If Lebron is on MJ's level, why didn't he 3-peat in 2014?

[3ball]

didn't he realize that 3-peating is the hardest feat and therefore requires high volume or 40 ppg like Jordan's blueprint in 93'?

So Lebron had the blueprint and still did this:

93' JORDAN FINALS.... 41/9/6.. 51%.. 33 fga.. 2.2 TO's
14' LEBRON FINALS.'... 28/8/4.. 57%.. 18 fga.. 3.8 TO's


More offensive pressure from Lebron frees up teammates and makes the Spurs' defense work harder, so they can't come back as fresh on offense.

Lebron was also facing an old core, while Jordan faced the league MVP.. So there's no excuse for Lebron, except he couldn't "go for it" like Jordan did because he isn't on Jordan's level..

Specifically, he lacks 1) assassin mentality... 2) off-ball or ball movement skillset to wear down defenses... 3) jumpshooting skill/spurtability to keep up and apply sufficient pressure himself.... Consequently, he was passive and blown out by record amount

[HighFlyer23]

STFU you annoying cuck

Who let you out of Jordans rectum

[3ball]

Btw, Kobe didn't need 40 ppg because he had an equal-scoring teammate (1b).. But 3-peats with 2nd options require crazy scoring loads

[AirBonner]

Because Wade played worse than any version of Pippen

[8Ball]

If MJ is on LeBron's level, why didn't he win more than 40 games at 25 years old?

LeBron won 66 games when he was 25.


If MJ is on LeBron's level, why is Jordan 1-9 without Pippen in the playoffs?

[RRR3]

You try 3peating with Spoelstra :lol


Dude has two all-nba players right now and is 11-17 :yaohappy:

The fact that Bron won at all with that bumbling blockhead is a miracle.

[Airupthere]

Part of the deal team hopping while superteaming, you have to hit the ground running.

Part of the deal with MJ entering the league with a bad team against ATG teams such as the Birds' Cs.

MJ dealt with his cards and ended up 6/6 with two 3 peats. One can not deny how hard this is to accomplish. It took a Shaq/Kobe tandem to achieve this.

Lebron dealt with his choices as well and he ended up 2/4 with a superteam in MIA.

[3ball]

You try 3peating with Spoelstra :lol


Dude has two all-nba players right now and is 11-17 :yaohappy:

The fact that Bron won at all with that bumbling blockhead is a miracle.


In 2010, Wade was the #2 producer in the league behind Lebron (#2 in PER, BPM, WS/48, and VORP)

So coaches aren't needed when the league's top producer (lebron) teams up with the #2 producer (Wade) and then adds 2 more HOF's (Bosh, Allen)

That's like Jordan teaming up with Magic, Kemp, and Miller

Btw, Phil had four top 30 all-time players in 2004 and got destroyed by a no-star team

And Phil needed MJ or Kobe to make the Finals, while Spo didn't need Lebron to make the Finals.. Heat could've won last year if 100% healthy

[hateraid]

Coaches aren't needed when the league's top producer (lebron) teams up with the #2 producer (Wade) and then adds 2 more HOF's (Bosh, Allen)

That's like Jordan teaming up with Magic, Kemp, and Miller

Btw, Phil had four top 30 all-time players in 2004 and got destroyed by a no-star team

And Phil needed MJ or Kobe to make the Finals, while Spo didn't need Lebron to make the Finals.. Heat could've won last year if 100% healthy

Wade is Magic now??? :roll:

[3ball]

Wade is Magic now??? :roll:


In 2010, Wade was the #2 producer in the league behind Lebron (#2 in PER, BPM, WS/48, and VORP)

So coaches aren't needed when the league's top producer (lebron) teams up with the #2 producer (Wade) and then adds 2 more HOF's (Bosh, Allen)

That's like Jordan teaming up with Magic (#2 producer), Kemp, and Miller

[Hey Yo]

Coaches aren't needed when the league's top producer (lebron) teams up with the #2 producer (Wade) and then adds 2 more HOF's (Bosh, Allen)

That's like Jordan teaming up with Magic, Kemp, and Miller

Btw, Phil had four top 30 all-time players in 2004 and got destroyed by a no-star team

And Phil needed MJ or Kobe to make the Finals, while Spo didn't need Lebron to make the Finals.. Heat could've won last year if 100% healthy
Bosh wasn't a HOF'er before playing in Miami.......... as usual, more lies from you.

[hateraid]

On the flipside give Lebron:

Kahwi and prime Dwight and a coach like Pop like Jordan had Pippen, Rodman, and Phil let's see what could have happened

But go ahead and diminish Pippen and Rodman

Wade = Magic :roll:

[RRR3]

In 2010, Wade was the #2 producer in the league behind Lebron (#2 in PER, BPM, WS/48, and VORP)

So coaches aren't needed when the league's top producer (lebron) teams up with the #2 producer (Wade) and then adds 2 more HOF's (Bosh, Allen)

That's like Jordan teaming up with Magic, Kemp, and Miller

Btw, Phil had four top 30 all-time players in 2004 and got destroyed by a no-star team

And Phil needed MJ or Kobe to make the Finals, while Spo didn't need Lebron to make the Finals.. Heat could've won last year if 100% healthy
Spo is a retard, he can’t coach. He’d struggle to win with MJ and Shaq. The fact that Bron won with a crippled Wade and a poor man’s LaMarcus Aldridge as his sidekicks is incredible.

[3ball]

Bosh wasn't a HOF'er before playing in Miami.......... as usual, more lies from you.


The point remains - coaches aren't needed when the league's top producer (lebron) teams up with the #2 producer (wade) and then adds 2 more likely HOF's (Bosh, Allen)

That's like Jordan teaming up with Magic (#2 producer), Kemp, and Miller

[hateraid]

In 2010, Wade was the #2 producer in the league behind Lebron (#2 in PER, BPM, WS/48, and VORP)

So coaches aren't needed when the league's top producer (lebron) teams up with the #2 producer (Wade) and then adds 2 more HOF's (Bosh, Allen)

That's like Jordan teaming up with Magic (#2 producer), Kemp, and Miller

But still, Wade = Magic? :roll:

[RRR3]

But still, Wade = Magic? :roll:
Wade was amazing what’s worse is him saying 13 Ray Allen=prime Reggie Miller. Ray was a role player by then, he was literally getting benched for young Avery Bradley in the 2012 playoffs :oldlol:

[3ball]

Spo is a retard, he can’t coach. He’d struggle to win with MJ and Shaq. The fact that Bron won with a crippled Wade and a poor man’s LaMarcus Aldridge as his sidekicks is incredible.


2012 Wade had a 26 PER and was a top 5 producer in the league (top 5 PER, BPM, VORP, and WS/48... all better than pippen's best)

And Pippen's career Finals average is 19.0 on 42%, compared to 19.6 on 47% for 13' Wade, who also outscored the opposing 1st option - so Wade's 13' Finals is better than every Pippen Finals except 91'

14' Wade averaged prime pippen stats all year including the ECF, and had higher PER, WS/48 and pace-adjusted scoring in the playoffs than 93' Pippen

[light]

LeBron doesn't have to replicate the achievements of others, he just has to have his own remarkable achievements, and he does.

[RRR3]

LeBron wins with terrible coaches. MJ literally won nothing without the GOAT coach.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Another MYTH made up by unhinged, obsessed fanbois :oldlol:

A "3-peat" isn't required to be a GOAT candidate. See: Kareem

[hateraid]

Wade was amazing what’s worse is him saying 13 Ray Allen=prime Reggie Miller. Ray was a role player by then, he was literally getting benched for young Avery Bradley in the 2012 playoffs :oldlol:

Wade was amazing, but saying his impact would have been comparable to Magic? Saying Mitch Richmond or Drexler would be much more comparable

[3ball]

Another MYTH made up by unhinged, obsessed fanbois.

A "3-peat" isn't required to be a GOAT candidate. See: Kareem


3-peating is required because I can't think of a better accomplishment

But regardless, in the comparison between mj and lebron, there's no better argument than lebron's failed 3-peat to demonstrate his inferiority to Jordan

[3ball]

Wade was amazing, but saying his impact would have been comparable to Magic? Saying Mitch Richmond or Drexler would be much more comparable


2010 and 2011 Wade was the #2 player in the league - all the stats show that - do you understand that?.. as the #2 player, he compares to Magic

[ShawkFactory]

2012 Wade had a 26 PER and was a top 5 producer in the league (top 5 PER, BPM, VORP, and WS/48... all better than pippen's best)

And Pippen's career Finals average is 19.0 on 42%, compared to 19.6 on 47% for 13' Wade, who also outscored the opposing 1st option - so Wade's 13' Finals is better than every Pippen Finals except 91'

14' Wade averaged prime pippen stats all year including the ECF, and had higher PER, WS/48 and pace-adjusted scoring in the playoffs than 93' Pippen
Why'd you leave out the finals?

[3ball]

Why'd you leave out the finals?


Pippen had bad Finals too:

1996 Finals... 15.7 on 34% (outscored by opposing 3rd option)
1998 Finals... 15.7 on 41% (MIA last 2 games)

[RRR3]

Pippen had bad Finals too:

1996 Finals... 15.7 on 34% (outscored by opposing 3rd option)
1998 Finals... 15.7 on 41%
Never had a bad finals on defense though now did he?

[3ball]

Never had a bad finals on defense though now did he?


He never had a good one because every defensive assignment matched or exceeded their regular season averages against him (Worthy, Kersey, Dumas, Schrempf)

He never actually locked anyone down lol

And 4 of 6 opponents in the ECF and Finals of the 1st three-peat had a better ranked TEAM defense than the bulls (bulls only ranked 7th defensively, although they had the goat offensive ratings)

[ShawkFactory]

Pippen had bad Finals too:

1996 Finals... 15.7 on 34% (outscored by opposing 3rd option)
1998 Finals... 15.7 on 41% (MIA last 2 games)

In those 2 series the opposition averaged 89 and 80 ppg respectively. The Spurs averaged 105. Those 16 PPG for Pippen were more impactful to the series. Plus, obviously, his defense contributed heavily to the insanely low scoring output of the opposition (lowest DRTG on the team in 1996 by a wide margin and second lowest in 1998). And this of course doesn't take into account that he averaged about 8 rebounds and 5 assists per game over those 2 series. Wade went 4 and 3 in 2014.

[RRR3]

In those 2 series the opposition averaged 89 and 80 ppg respectively. The Spurs averaged 105. Those 16 PPG for Pippen were more impactful to the series. Plus, obviously, his defense contributed heavily to the insanely low scoring output of the opposition (lowest DRTG on the team in 1996 by a wide margin and second lowest in 1998). And this of course doesn't take into account that he averaged about 8 rebounds and 5 assists per game over those 2 series. Wade went 4 and 3 in 2014.
He only understands PPG. He’s too stupid to understand anything else.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

3-peating is required because I can't think of a better accomplishment

But regardless, in the comparison between mj and lebron, there's no better argument than lebron's failed 3-peat to demonstrate his inferiority to Jordan

How though? :confusedshrug: Kareem is still a GOAT candidate whether or not you can think of a "better" accomplishment.

Bron has also faced tougher finals comp, and in some cases had worse help. Mike had the better peak and overall I think he's greater, but 3-peating isn't THE reason.

[hateraid]

2010 and 2011 Wade was the #2 player in the league - all the stats show that - do you understand that?.. as the #2 player, he compares to Magic

Do you understand impact and position? Are you comparing the all-time greatest PG to a SG who wasn't even the best in his era?

GTFO

[AirBonner]

3-peating is required because I can't think of a better accomplishment

But regardless, in the comparison between mj and lebron, there's no better argument than lebron's failed 3-peat to demonstrate his inferiority to Jordan

Can’t think of a better accomplishment than 3-peating? How about 8-peating? That’s like two 3-peats and a back to back combined ;)

[RRR3]

How though? :confusedshrug: Kareem is still a GOAT candidate whether or not you can think of a "better" accomplishment.

Bron has also faced tougher finals comp, and in some cases had worse help. Mike had the better peak and overall I think he's greater, but 3-peating isn't THE reason.
It’s not enough for you to say you think MJ is better. You have to say Bron isn’t top 10 for him to be satisfied.

[Kiddlovesnets]

If Lebron was on MJ’s level, he’d have 4-peat from 2011 to 2014, Yes MJ would have done it with such a Heat team.

[AirBonner]

If Lebron was on MJ’s level, he’d have 4-peat from 2011 to 2014, Yes MJ would have done it with such a Heat team.

MJ never 4-peated. So you can stop right there bub ;)

[2much_knowledge]

Because he isn't. He let a 3rd year player win the finals mvp on his watch lol. While being on his peak. Weak sauce. Can't imagine Jordan letting a 3rd year player outstage him in 1993.

[AirBonner]

Because he isn't. He let a 3rd year player win the finals mvp on his watch lol. While being on his peak. Weak sauce. Can't imagine Jordan letting a 3rd year player outstage him in 1993.

He did let a CEO bully him ;)

[red1]

4 finals MVPs in the modern era.




3ball lost. James gang won.





reminder - 3ball argued that lebron is incapable of winning a single ring.


"buh buh wade buh buh ray allen buh kyrie buh AD" :roll: :roll:

[red1]

reminder - jordan was ringless without pippen


reminder - pippen won 55 games without mike


reminder - mike never won 50 without pippen


reminder - OP is a fakkit

[RRR3]

reminder - jordan was ringless without pippen


reminder - pippen won 55 games without mike


reminder - mike never won 50 without pippen


reminder - OP is a fakkit
Bron won 66 games with Mo Williams and MJ couldn’t win 50 without Pippen? :oldlol:

[red1]

Bron won 66 games with Mo Williams and MJ couldn’t win 50 without Pippen? :oldlol:

3ball argued tooth and nail that lebron would never win a SINGLE "legit ring."


single? just one? how about FOUR rings? oldlol:


"buh buh buh wade buh buh ray" became "buh buh kyrie" and then "buh buh AD" :roll:


all while never acknowledging that mj never played a single team as good as lebron's finals competition from 2012-2018 aka full 7 year span.


I never even used to compare lebron to mj. I had mj as a firm untouchable number 1 all-time and lebron at #2 since 2009 - 3ball poked holes in jordan's legacy though.


when you analyze mj's career 6-6 isn't nearly as impressive as his stans make it out to be.


the reality is 6-6 - with karl malone as his greatest finals rival. not steph and klay or kd or popovich/duncan. :oldlol:






james gang has firmly won the battle with 3ball. it's over.


quality > quantity. 3ball's spam isnt changing anything this late in the battle.


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[Airupthere]

Somebody set the standard of achieving two 3peats while being the man of the team. 6/6 and 6 fvmps. If we are looking for a new goat, its only reasonable to expect the same or more rings and performance.

[Kiddlovesnets]

MJ never 4-peated. So you can stop right there bub ;)

He would have if he was on a super team, while Lebron somehow managed to lose more finals than he won even if we removed 2007 from his finals record.

[AirBonner]

He would have if he was on a super team, while Lebron somehow managed to lose more finals than he won even if we removed 2007 from his finals record.
No he wouldn’t. And he didn’t.

[2much_knowledge]

reminder - jordan was ringless without pippen


reminder - pippen won 55 games without mike


reminder - mike never won 50 without pippen


reminder - OP is a fakkit

Dumb post from start to finish. Mike never played in his prime w/o pippen, mike never played with a decent team w/o pippen

Pippen did get to play in his peak w/o mike. Pippen did played with multiple good team w/o jordan

Ill tell you what. If you didnt know, and i know you don't, MJ in the 2001-2002 season , washington had a record of 41 - 22 before Jordan's knee injury. But wait, Richard hamilton missed 5 weeks with a groin injury. So a 39 year old rusty Mj was good enough to have Washington # 2 in the East w/o Hamilton for 5 weeks... this is no prime hamilton either

Whats Pippen excuse in Houston??? Thats why i thought

[Airupthere]

No he wouldn’t. And he didn’t.

He didnt because he retired but it can be concluded that the finals would have been Hou-Bulls and not likely either that MJ would have lost that. Bulls had a great team and MJ can capitalize on that.

[Thenameless]

3-peating is required because I can't think of a better accomplishment

But regardless, in the comparison between mj and lebron, there's no better argument than lebron's failed 3-peat to demonstrate his inferiority to Jordan

Then really Bill Russell blows everyone out of the water with his eight in a row as the best player on his team. Jordan's six is just over half of Russell's eleven. And Lebron's not even half way. I don't think anyone will be catching Russell in this respect anytime soon.

[8Ball]

3ball argued tooth and nail that lebron would never win a SINGLE "legit ring."


single? just one? how about FOUR rings? oldlol:


"buh buh buh wade buh buh ray" became "buh buh kyrie" and then "buh buh AD" :roll:


all while never acknowledging that mj never played a single team as good as lebron's finals competition from 2012-2018 aka full 7 year span.


I never even used to compare lebron to mj. I had mj as a firm untouchable number 1 all-time and lebron at #2 since 2009 - 3ball poked holes in jordan's legacy though.


when you analyze mj's career 6-6 isn't nearly as impressive as his stans make it out to be.


the reality is 6-6 - with karl malone as his greatest finals rival. not steph and klay or kd or popovich/duncan. :oldlol:






james gang has firmly won the battle with 3ball. it's over.


quality > quantity. 3ball's spam isnt changing anything this late in the battle.


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Truth serum right here.

If you inject 3ball with truth serum he would regurgitate this entire post word for word.

[light]

LeBron wasn't playing in an expansion era.

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Imagine if Jordan had to face a hall of fame quartet like Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker and Kawhi Leonard instead of always seeing solo acts like Clyde Drexler, Charles Barkley and Patrick Ewing.

Even when you include coaches and executives the 1996 Sonics still only has 1 member in the hall of fame.

The 1996 Bulls has 6 members in the hall of fame - Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Jackson, Winter and Krause!

Talk about stacking the deck!

:lebronamazed:

[Airupthere]

LeBron wasn't playing in an expansion era.

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Imagine if Jordan had to face a hall of fame quartet like Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker and Kawhi Leonard instead of always seeing solo acts like Clyde Drexler, Charles Barkley and Patrick Ewing.

Even when you include coaches and executives the 1996 Sonics still only has 1 member in the hall of fame.

The 1996 Bulls has 6 members in the hall of fame - Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Jackson, Winter and Krause!

Talk about stacking the deck!

:lebronamazed:

Old Duncan, Manu and Parker? And raw Kawhi?

[3ball]

In those 2 series the opposition averaged 89 and 80 ppg respectively. The Spurs averaged 105. Those 16 PPG for Pippen were more impactful to the series. Plus, obviously, his defense contributed heavily to the insanely low scoring output of the opposition (lowest DRTG on the team in 1996 by a wide margin and second lowest in 1998). And this of course doesn't take into account that he averaged about 8 rebounds and 5 assists per game over those 2 series. Wade went 4 and 3 in 2014.


The Heat lost by 13 point average margin, which lebron could've made up by averaging 41 like Jordan needed to 3-peat

On what planet did he think he could play it safe with 28 points and 3-peat?.. Didn't he see the stats Jordan needed to 3-peat?

Ultimately, the Heat underachieved their normal offense by a lot - better offensive pressure would've made the Spurs' defense work harder, thus taking away from their offensive capacity.. players don't have infinite energy - a harder working defense will have reduced offensive capacity

Btw, Pippen shot 34% and his rebounds mean nothing because he's a forward compared to Wade

And Wade was a 7 assist player that always averaged more assists than Pippen before lebron reduced him to a 4 assist player.. otoh, Jordan increased pippen's assists

[Kiddlovesnets]

No he wouldn’t. And he didn’t.

The only way he wouldnt is that he decided to retire after 3-peat from 2011 to 2013, thinking the competition wasnt good enough and he got bored, like what he did back in 1993. MJ was more than capable of 8-peat if he didnt retire in 1993, though its also possible he went 1-1 against Hakeem if they played against each other in 1994 and 1995.

[3ball]

The only way he wouldnt is that he decided to retire after 3-peat from 2011 to 2013, thinking the competition wasnt good enough and he got bored, like what he did back in 1993. MJ was more than capable of 8-peat if he didnt retire in 1993, though its also possible he went 1-1 against Hakeem if they played against each other in 1994 and 1995.


^^^ this is true, but the bulls couldn't have lost in 94' because Ewing almost beat the Rockets with 18 on 35%

Rockets weren't legit until 95' when they swept the Magic like the 96' bulls did.

[dankok8]

Playoff Numbers Comparison

Jordan 1990-1993: 34.3 ppg, 6.6 rpg (1.5 orpg), 6.6 apg, 2.3 spg, 0.9 bpg on 57.7 %TS (+4.2 rTS) with 3.0 topg in 41.4 mpg
Lebron 2011-2014: 26.9 ppg, 8.4 rpg (1.6 orpg), 5.7 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.8 bpg on 59.5 %TS (+5.9 rTS) with 3.2 topg in 41.7 mpg

Jordan scored 7.4 ppg more on 1.8% lower efficiency. 0.9 apg more with 0.2 topg less. Clearly way better offensive numbers for MJ.

Considering Jordan was a better player than Lebron, he would definitely have a much better chance to 3-peat and 4-peat. I think 2011 Finals MJ would obviously win. 2014 Finals it's quite probable but it's not certain. He definitely would have made the series more competitive though.

[ShawkFactory]

The Heat lost by 13 point average margin, which lebron could've made up by averaging 41 like Jordan needed to 3-peat

On what planet did he think he could play it safe with 28 points and 3-peat?.. Didn't he see the stats Jordan needed to 3-peat?

Ultimately, the Heat underachieved their normal offense by a lot - better offensive pressure would've made the Spurs' defense work harder, thus taking away from their offensive capacity.. players don't have infinite energy - a harder working defense will have reduced offensive capacity

Btw, Pippen shot 34% and his rebounds mean nothing because he's a forward compared to Wade

And Wade was a 7 assist player that always averaged more assists than Pippen before lebron reduced him to a 4 assist player.. otoh, Jordan increased pippen's assists
And as had been discussed, the reason reason was the reduced offensive output of Wade (and Bosh for that matter). Your argument that Wade was essentially as effective as a 96 or 98 Pippen based on scoring numbers was proven false so now you deflect back to Lebron.

[Hey Yo]

MJ had a chance to 4peat twice, but decided to quit instead of going for it due to extreme mental exhaustion.


GOAT competitor??? ........... :no:

[red1]

Dumb post from start to finish. Mike never played in his prime w/o pippen, mike never played with a decent team w/o pippen

Pippen did get to play in his peak w/o mike. Pippen did played with multiple good team w/o jordan

Ill tell you what. If you didnt know, and i know you don't, MJ in the 2001-2002 season , washington had a record of 41 - 22 before Jordan's knee injury. But wait, Richard hamilton missed 5 weeks with a groin injury. So a 39 year old rusty Mj was good enough to have Washington # 2 in the East w/o Hamilton for 5 weeks... this is no prime hamilton either

Whats Pippen excuse in Houston??? Thats why i thought

its called fighting fire with fire or more accurately fighting troll with troll


reminder - jordan was ringless without pippen


reminder - pippen won 55 games without mike


reminder - mike never won 50 without pippen

these are literally 3ball's exact arguments


lebron is ringless without wade that was 3ball's main argument for years against lebrons first two rings, claiming they didnt count as though his basement-dwelling opinion matters


"lebron ringless without wade" backfired just like all of his main arguments (another good one: lebron is a system player - 4 rings later we know he IS the system unlike baldan)


thats why he's always trashing pippen and trying to prove that wade is better than pippen


as if we didnt already know that wade was better than pippen. thats how insecure he is - needs to start a new thread on the subject every month :oldlol:


I never said jordan wasnt the GOAT - which he undoubtedly was/is


I dont have the time to combat his spam so I need to be efficient when I'm gloating and counting the james gang's victory over the obsessed fanboy type crusty baldan-stans. 3ball is the only one like that that I'm really trolling.






therefore jordan was ringless against pippen.



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[zeerghit]

its called fighting fire with fire or more accurately fighting troll with troll


reminder - jordan was ringless without pippen


reminder - pippen won 55 games without mike


reminder - mike never won 50 without pippen

these are literally 3ball's exact arguments


lebron is ringless without wade that was 3ball's main argument for years against lebrons first two rings not counting as though his opinion matters


thats why he's always trashing pippen and trying to prove that wade is better than pippen


as if we didnt already know that wade was better than pippen. thats how insecure he is - needs to start a new thread on the subject every month :oldlol:


I never said jordan wasnt the GOAT - which he undoubtedly was/is


I dont have the time to combat his spam so I need to be efficient when I'm gloating and counting the james gang's victory over the obsessed fanboy type crusty baldan-stans. 3ball is the only one like that that I'm really trolling.






therefore jordan was ringless against pippen.

:applause: smart raptors fan

[red1]

its over.



2016 was the first nail in that coffin.



rest in piss 3ball



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[red1]

:applause: smart raptors fan

I gave his thread 5 stars so he comes back and sees it again.




I want to remind him that jordan is ringless without pippen.

[3ball]

.
93' JORDAN FINALS.... 41/9/6.. 51%.. 33 fga.. 2.2 TO's
14' LEBRON FINALS.'... 28/8/4.. 57%.. 18 fga.. 3.8 TO's





The reason reason was the reduced offensive output of Wade (and Bosh for that matter).


.


You don't get it - who cares about Wade because Lebron is supposed to average 41 and make up the gap - the Heat lost by a 13 point average margin, which lebron could've made up by averaging 41, just like Jordan needed to 3-peat

On what planet did he think he could play it safe with 28 points and 3-peat?.. Didn't he see the stats Jordan needed to 3-peat? (above)

Ultimately, the Heat underachieved their normal offense by a lot and lebron failed to make up the gap via 40 ppg - better offensive pressure would've made the Spurs' defense work harder, thus taking away from their offensive capacity.. players don't have infinite energy - a harder working defense will have reduced offensive capacity

[8Ball]

its called fighting fire with fire or more accurately fighting troll with troll


reminder - jordan was ringless without pippen


reminder - pippen won 55 games without mike


reminder - mike never won 50 without pippen

these are literally 3ball's exact arguments


lebron is ringless without wade that was 3ball's main argument for years against lebrons first two rings, claiming they didnt count as though his basement-dwelling opinion matters


"lebron ringless without wade" backfired just like all of his main arguments (another good one: lebron is a system player - 4 rings later we know he IS the system unlike baldan)


thats why he's always trashing pippen and trying to prove that wade is better than pippen


as if we didnt already know that wade was better than pippen. thats how insecure he is - needs to start a new thread on the subject every month :oldlol:


I never said jordan wasnt the GOAT - which he undoubtedly was/is


I dont have the time to combat his spam so I need to be efficient when I'm gloating and counting the james gang's victory over the obsessed fanboy type crusty baldan-stans. 3ball is the only one like that that I'm really trolling.






therefore jordan was ringless against pippen.



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Is there no one else?

[AirBonner]

Only 3ball can make MJ’s resume look bad

[3ball]

Only 3ball can make MJ’s resume look bad


Right

Jordan 3-peated and lebron failed at it

And this makes Jordan look bad, according to you

dumb posts like that let me know you guys have nothing.. there is no case for Lebron as goat, or even over guys like Magic and Bird

[ShawkFactory]

14' Wade averaged prime pippen stats all year including the ECF, and had higher PER, WS/48 and pace-adjusted scoring in the playoffs than 93' Pippen
This is the statement I was arguing. It's misleading at best

[3ball]

This is the statement I was arguing. It's misleading at best


you're mad at 13' and 14' Wade because he fell to prime Pippen stat level - indeed, pippen's stat level feels pretty shitty huh? Not that good right?

Now you know how I feel about pippen - anytime you think about 13' and 14' Wade, think about Pippen.. it's pretty hard to win with that as lebron found out in 13' and 14'

[red1]

Right

Jordan 3-peated and lebron failed at it

And this makes Jordan look bad, according to you

dumb posts like that let me know you guys have nothing.. there is no case for Lebron as goat, or even over guys like Magic and Bird

except jordan never 3-peated against modern competition. unless you want to go the bill russell route?


and he only ever 3-peated with scottie "the ringmaker" pippen.


we dont know for sure what would've happened if pippen was on the other team. it might've left mj ringless.

[ShawkFactory]

you're mad at 13' and 14' Wade because he fell to prime Pippen stat level - indeed, pippen's stat level feels pretty shitty huh? Not that good right?

Now you know how I feel about pippen - anytime you think about 13' and 14' Wade, think about Pippen
Is this really what you've come to? I guess I'll just copy and paste my original post:

In those 2 series the opposition averaged 89 and 80 ppg respectively. Those 16 PPG for Pippen were more impactful to the series. 16 ppg at an 82 pace vs 16 ppg at an 88 pace. Which is better for a team? Plus, obviously, his defense contributed heavily to the insanely low scoring output of the opposition (lowest DRTG on the team in 1996 by a wide margin and second lowest in 1998; by comparison, Wade's was the highest on the Heat in '14). And this of course doesn't take into account that he averaged about 8 rebounds and 5 assists per game over those 2 series; further highlighting his well-rounded skillset that can impact a basketball game.

[sdot_thadon]

Without reading a sentence of this thread:

If Mj is on Russell's level why didn't he 8 peat?

[Kiddlovesnets]

Without reading a sentence of this thread:

If Mj is on Russell's level why didn't he 8 peat?

'cause he was bored of the competition and retired, he would've 8-peat from 91 to 98 if he didnt retire. Lebron on the other hand, was simply defeated in 2011 and 2014, he just aint good enough.

[3ball]

Except jordan never 3-peated against modern competition. unless you want to go the bill russell route?





Jordan's last ring was only 5 years before Lebron entered the league, so they played against the same players..

Infact, 98' Jordan dominated and won every award over the best guys Lebron ever faced, like all-stars Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, Kobe, and Kidd in 1998

Otoh, Bill Russell doesn't count because he never faced anyone in the modern era.. infact, the little 8 team league he played in put all the good players on his team (9 HOF teammates), designed to take down 1 guy (Wilt)..






and he only ever 3-peated with scottie "the ringmaker" pippen.


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We know for a fact that no one could've won 3 Finals with Pippen

because everyone with 3 Finals wins needed a sidekick to win FMVP or average 25 ppg for at least 1 of the Finals.. But Pippen was as 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so only MJ could win 3 with Pippen

Carry on

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Papa Kawhi didn't let him. LeBron called himself the greatest of all time and kawhi beat his ass 3 straight times in the finals and averaged 24PPG on 69% FG


https://youtu.be/snyweyCd4kw

Then draymond wanted to talk shit, before the 2019 finals he said he's the greatest defender of all time. Well, kawhi buried his ass too.

[3ball]

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93' JORDAN FINALS.... 41/9/6.. 51%.. 33 fga.. 2.2 TO's
14' LEBRON FINALS.'... 28/8/4.. 57%.. 18 fga.. 3.8 TO's



Is this really what you've come to? I guess I'll just copy and paste my original post:

In those 2 series the opposition averaged 89 and 80 ppg respectively. Those 16 PPG for Pippen were more impactful to the series. 16 ppg at an 82 pace vs 16 ppg at an 88 pace. Which is better for a team? Plus, obviously, his defense contributed heavily to the insanely low scoring output of the opposition (lowest DRTG on the team in 1996 by a wide margin and second lowest in 1998; by comparison, Wade's was the highest on the Heat in '14). And this of course doesn't take into account that he averaged about 8 rebounds and 5 assists per game over those 2 series; further highlighting his well-rounded skillset that can impact a basketball game.


^^^ misguided views and none of it matters if Lebron is goat and averages 41

lebron could've made up the 13-point margin of loss by averaging 41, just like Jordan needed to 3-peat

On what planet did he think he could play it safe with 28 points and 3-peat?.. Didn't he see the stats Jordan needed to 3-peat? (above)

Ultimately, the Heat underachieved their normal offense and lebron failed to make up the gap via 40 ppg - better offensive pressure would've made the Spurs' defense work harder, thus taking away from their offensive capacity.. players don't have infinite energy - a harder working defense will have reduced offensive capacity.. furthermore, more aggressiveness by lebron would've freed up teammates - these are all responsibilities of a #1 option

[ShawkFactory]

You're talking miniscule differences that don't offset the record loss

But you know what would've completely made up the record gap?

Lebron is supposed to average 41 and make up the gap - that's the goat standard - the Heat lost by a 13 point margin, which lebron could've made up by averaging 41, just like Jordan needed to 3-peat

On what planet did he think he could play it safe with 28 points and 3-peat?.. Didn't he see the stats Jordan needed to 3-peat? (above)

Ultimately, the Heat underachieved their normal offense by a lot and lebron failed to make up the gap via 40 ppg - better offensive pressure would've made the Spurs' defense work harder, thus taking away from their offensive capacity.. players don't have infinite energy - a harder working defense will have reduced offensive capacity
More impactful on both ends of the floor. Significantly on the defensive end, as the numbers show (lowest DRTG on the team for Pippen; highest on the team for Wade). This is miniscule?

You're comparing '14 Wade to Pippen. The record loss and Lebron are not relevant.

You don't have to make stupid arguments to have your point be correct. There's no need to make the claim that the beauty of the natural terrain in NYC is on par with that of LA to make the point the NYC is a more dynamic city.

[3ball]

More impactful on both ends of the floor. Significantly on the defensive end, as the numbers show (lowest DRTG on the team for Pippen; highest on the team for Wade). This is miniscule?

You're comparing '14 Wade to Pippen. The record loss and Lebron are not relevant.

You don't have to make stupid arguments to have your point be correct. There's no need to make the claim that the beauty of the natural terrain in NYC is on par with that of LA to make the point the NYC is a more dynamic city.


Your views are misguided/wrong (drtg isn't a measure of individual defense) and none of it matters if Lebron is goat and averages 41

lebron could've made up the 13-point margin of loss by averaging 41, just like Jordan needed to 3-peat

On what planet did he think he could play it safe with 28 points and 3-peat?.. Didn't he see the stats Jordan needed to 3-peat? (above)

Ultimately, the Heat underachieved their normal offense and lebron failed to make up the gap via 40 ppg - better offensive pressure would've made the Spurs' defense work harder, thus taking away from their offensive capacity.. players don't have infinite energy - a harder-working defense will have reduced offensive capacity.. furthermore, more aggressiveness by lebron would've freed up teammates - these are all responsibilities of a #1 option

[RRR3]

Your views are misguided/wrong and and none of it matters if Lebron is goat and averages 41

lebron could've made up the 13-point margin of loss by averaging 41, just like Jordan needed to 3-peat

On what planet did he think he could play it safe with 28 points and 3-peat?.. Didn't he see the stats Jordan needed to 3-peat? (above)

Ultimately, the Heat underachieved their normal offense and lebron failed to make up the gap via 40 ppg - better offensive pressure would've made the Spurs' defense work harder, thus taking away from their offensive capacity.. players don't have infinite energy - a harder-working defense will have reduced offensive capacity.. furthermore, more aggressiveness by lebron would've freed up teammates - these are all responsibilities of a #1 option
LeBron didn’t dominate the ball on the Heat he was playing as part of a system he wasn’t allowed to just hijack it the way he could in Cleveland. You are blaming LeBron for doing what his coach wanted him to do :oldlol:

[red1]

Jordan's last ring was only 5 years before Lebron entered the league, so they played against the same players..

Infact, 98' Jordan dominated and won every award over the best guys Lebron ever faced, like all-stars Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, Kobe, and Kidd in 1998

Otoh, Bill Russell doesn't count because he never faced anyone in the modern era.. infact, the little 8 team league he played in put all the good players on his team (9 HOF teammates), designed to take down 1 guy (Wilt)..


......

Carry on
dont open that can of worms dude. jordan already slid down the rankings from a unanimous #1 to a shaky 1b since you started posting here.


you're acting like lebron had a team that was capable of winning 50-games without him the way that jordan did. pippen proved how stacked jordan's cast was compared to the rest of the league.


that 1994 nba season and postseason is the bane of your existence, which is why you put so much energy and attention into discrediting pippen.


everything you ever argued was circumstantial and you've already been proven wrong. "cant win without wade and riley" "buh buh ray allen" - you just changed the goalposts to "buh buh kyrie buh buh AD"


even if lebron 3-peated you'd just change the criteria "he never 3-peated twice while filming a movie during the middle"








well jordan never won a single ring - or even 50 games for that matter - without pippen and phil jackson.

[Axe]

Another day, another thread about mj vs. lbj as usual. :sleeping

[ShawkFactory]

Your views are misguided/wrong (drtg isn't a measure of individual defense) and none of it matters if Lebron is goat and averages 41

lebron could've made up the 13-point margin of loss by averaging 41, just like Jordan needed to 3-peat

On what planet did he think he could play it safe with 28 points and 3-peat?.. Didn't he see the stats Jordan needed to 3-peat? (above)

Ultimately, the Heat underachieved their normal offense and lebron failed to make up the gap via 40 ppg - better offensive pressure would've made the Spurs' defense work harder, thus taking away from their offensive capacity.. players don't have infinite energy - a harder-working defense will have reduced offensive capacity.. furthermore, more aggressiveness by lebron would've freed up teammates - these are all responsibilities of a #1 option
My views are that in the 2014 finals, Wade was not as impactful on both ends of the floor as Pippen in 96 and 98.

Continuing to bring up lebron and the record loss is irrelevant and proves you actually agree. Or are twisting history. Or just flat out lying. Or some combination of all of them.

[3ball]

LeBron didn’t dominate the ball on the Heat he was playing as part of a system he wasn’t allowed to just hijack it the way he could in Cleveland. You are blaming LeBron for doing what his coach wanted him to do :oldlol:


Lebron had a 5.5 minutes time of possession in 2014, which is a standard point guard amount...

Just because you occasionally saw him off-ball doesn't mean he still wasn't running his suboptimal 2-point guard lineups

[red1]

Another day, another thread about mj vs. lbj as usual. :sleeping

hopefully I get to gloat again.




quatro was fun - cinco should be even better.

[3ball]

My views are that in the 2014 finals, Wade was not as impactful on both ends of the floor as Pippen in 96 and 98.

Continuing to bring up lebron and the record loss is irrelevant and proves you actually agree. Or are twisting history. Or just flat out lying. Or some combination of all of them.


And I'm saying that lebron averaging 41 lifts all boats... It frees up Wade, while taking away from the Spurs' offensive capacity (it makes the defense work harder)..

going from a passive 18 shots per game to determined juggernaut 33 shots would change the series.. he basically did this in 2016 mid-series

Ultimately, you forget that lebron lacks the skills to fit with sub-par shooting ball-handlers like Wade or Pippen, and this shows up the most against the best teams (13' and 14' Finals)

But Wade was a superstar again in the 2016 Playoffs and continued to average prime pippen stats and be an all-star... So he wasn't "done" in 2014 - there was simply no margin for error (3-peat attempt) and that's precisely when the lack of fit shows the most... And lebron couldn't average 41 to make up for everything

[RRR3]

Lebron had a 5.5 minutes time of possession in 2014, which is a standard point guard amount...

Just because you occasionally saw him off-ball doesn't mean he still wasn't running his suboptimal 2-point guard lineups
No one cares about your cherrypicked stats you ****ing shitbag. You don’t watch games, you don’t know anything.

[3ball]

No one cares about your cherrypicked stats you ****ing shitbag. You don’t watch games, you don’t know anything.


It's statistical fact

Lebron's teams have 2 guys on the floor with a point guard time of possession - it's Lebron and the regular PG (chalmers, kyrie, mo, schroeder)

These 2-PG lineups leave teammates with less hold-time and assists then they get in traditional, 1-PG lineups.. Lower teammate assists result in low TEAM assists and a low ball movement brand that struggles on the championship level (4/10 including 2 teammate saves.. basically a bounce away from being a 2/10 bum)

[tpols]

yea that kinda pisses me off. If Wade was done in 2014, he wouldn't be leading (garbage) teams through the playoffs 2 years later, hitting clutch shots and trash talking fans. He didn't have this fire under Bran's leadership. Everybody remembers the "purple shirt guy", but in case you need a refresher, please see below.

It's hilarious @ :20 purple shirt guy put up 6 fingers. You can tell he's trolling Wade with MJ's ring count, and it being charlotte makes perfect sense.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFUfv475SC8

[ShawkFactory]

And I'm saying that lebron averaging 41 lifts all boats...

This was not my argument. Obviously if lebron scores 41 the series is different.

Completely irrelevant to the discussion.

I agree that NYC is more dynamic than LA. I dont agree that it’s terrain is more beautiful, which is equivalent to the argument you’re making.

[3ball]

This was not my argument. Obviously if lebron scores 41 the series is different.

Completely irrelevant to the discussion.


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It's the thread title

Lebron failed to 3-peat because he failed to get 41 like MJ

If mj averages 28/8/4 instead of 41/9/6, the bulls lose by record amount just like Bron!

[ShawkFactory]

It's the thread title

Lebron failed to 3-peat because he failed to get 41 like MJ

If mj averages 28/8/4 instead of 41/9/6, the bulls lose by record amount just like Bron!
We weren’t discussing the title of the thread. We were discussing a specific argument you made within it.

[8Ball]

If MJ is on LeBron's level, why didn't he win more than 40 games at 25 years old?

LeBron won 66 games when he was 25.


If MJ is on LeBron's level, why is Jordan 1-9 without Pippen in the playoffs?

Anyone can respond?

Looks like another fail thread.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

yea that kinda pisses me off. If Wade was done in 2014, he wouldn't be leading (garbage) teams through the playoffs 2 years later, hitting clutch shots and trash talking fans. He didn't have this fire under Bran's leadership. Everybody remembers the "purple shirt guy", but in case you need a refresher, please see below.

It's hilarious @ :20 purple shirt guy put up 6 fingers. You can tell he's trolling Wade with MJ's ring count, and it being charlotte makes perfect sense.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFUfv475SC8

Wade also took the bulls to the playoffs in 2017.

Manu\Parker were done after 2014, Tim Duncan was a bench warmer by the 2016 2nd round series.

Meanwhile, lebron fans act like they were facing 2007 Parker\Manu\Duncan hahahha

[HBK_Kliq_2]

2010s Tim Duncan was also only on three different all nba teams. So he missed an all nba selection in 2011, 2012, 2014, 2016.

In other words, 2010s Duncan missed more all nba selections then he made.

He also had the advanced stats of a roleplayer.

[3ball]

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09' Mo Will...'.... 17.2 PER.. 2.3 BPM.. 0.165 WS/48.. 3.1 VORP.... #3 team defense
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 0.087 WS/48.. 3.0 VORP.. #19 team defense



If MJ is on LeBron's level, why didn't he win more than 40 games at 25 years old?

LeBron won 66 games when he was 25.


If MJ is on LeBron's level, why is Jordan 1-9 without Pippen in the playoffs?


Jordan's first few years were just like Lebron's first few years with 8 or 9 seeded teams

So the point is irrelevant

And Lebron won 45 games in 2008 - only Mo Williams improved the Cavs to the league favorite in 09'

Furthermore, Lebron's 66-win season occurred in his 6th season, which coincides with 90' MJ... Except Lebron won more because he had a better team defense (#3 vs #19) and better offensive help (09' Mo had higher PER, BPM, VORP, and WS/48 than 90' Pippen)

[AirBonner]

3ball has never watched an entire MJ game

[3ball]

3ball has never watched an entire MJ game


I watched or listened to hundreds of full games from 87-03'

Now there's youtube to easily dissect things

[zeerghit]

I watched or listened to hundreds of full games from 87-03'

Now there's youtube to easily dissect things

wait.. so you didint watch games after 2003?:roll::roll:

[red1]

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09' Mo Will...'.... 17.2 PER.. 2.3 BPM.. 0.165 WS/48.. 3.1 VORP.... #3 team defense
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 0.087 WS/48.. 3.0 VORP.. #19 team defense





Jordan's first few years were just like Lebron's first few years with 8 or 9 seeded teams

So the point is irrelevant

And Lebron won 45 games in 2008 - only Mo Williams improved the Cavs to the league favorite in 09'

Furthermore, Lebron's 66-win season occurred in his 6th season, which coincides with 90' MJ... Except Lebron won more because he had a better team defense (#3 vs #19) and better offensive help (09' Mo had higher PER, BPM, VORP, and WS/48 than 90' Pippen)

all these years later and you're still comparing scottie pippen to mo williams. thats the proof RIGHT THERE that you lost. :oldlol:


you're clueless like always. it wasnt just mo williams - the cavs collective defense took a huge leap. lebron learned how to play much better defense after a full summer with 2008 USA team and working with guys like kobe and wade every single day.


acting like mo williams was the sole reason they took the leap to 66-games - LOL. :roll:


very very disingenuous to keep comparing scottie pippen to mo williams. how many times did mo williams lead his team to 55-wins?

[8Ball]

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09' Mo Will...'.... 17.2 PER.. 2.3 BPM.. 0.165 WS/48.. 3.1 VORP.... #3 team defense
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 0.087 WS/48.. 3.0 VORP.. #19 team defense





Jordan's first few years were just like Lebron's first few years with 8 or 9 seeded teams

So the point is irrelevant

And Lebron won 45 games in 2008 - only Mo Williams improved the Cavs to the league favorite in 09'

Furthermore, Lebron's 66-win season occurred in his 6th season, which coincides with 90' MJ... Except Lebron won more because he had a better team defense (#3 vs #19) and better offensive help (09' Mo had higher PER, BPM, VORP, and WS/48 than 90' Pippen)


If MJ is on LeBron's level, why didn't he win more than 40 games at 25 years old?
Won 40 games in 1987 without Pippen. Won 50 games in 1988 with Scottie Pippen.

LeBron won 66 games when he was 25.


If MJ is on LeBron's level, why is Jordan 1-9 without Pippen in the playoffs?


Anyone else? 3ball took a shot and failed at the answer.

[2much_knowledge]

dont open that can of worms dude. jordan already slid down the rankings from a unanimous #1 to a shaky 1b since you started posting here.


you're acting like lebron had a team that was capable of winning 50-games without him the way that jordan did. pippen proved how stacked jordan's cast was compared to the rest of the league.


that 1994 nba season and postseason is the bane of your existence, which is why you put so much energy and attention into discrediting pippen.


everything you ever argued was circumstantial and you've already been proven wrong. "cant win without wade and riley" "buh buh ray allen" - you just changed the goalposts to "buh buh kyrie buh buh AD"


even if lebron 3-peated you'd just change the criteria "he never 3-peated twice while filming a movie during the middle"








well jordan never won a single ring - or even 50 games for that matter - without pippen and phil jackson.

1994 bulls logic applies to 2016 Miami Heat logic. Jordan wasn't around , they went to a game 7 in the semis. A healthy Wade with no lebron and no Bosh, they went to a game 7 in the semis. Same result. Difference is pippen had the 3rd option ( horace) and wade did it w/o Bosh.

If people here are gonna act like Scottie is some kind of hero for doing that, then 2016s Wade is the ****ing man

Enough said

[8Ball]

If MJ is on LeBron's level, why does MJ only have 11 All-NBA teams and LeBron has 17 All-NBA teams?

[8Ball]

1994 bulls logic applies to 2016 Miami Heat logic. Jordan wasn't around , they went to a game 7 in the semis. A healthy Wade with no lebron and no Bosh, they went to a game 7 in the semis. Same result. Difference is pippen had the 3rd option ( horace) and wade did it w/o Bosh.

If people here are gonna act like Scottie is some kind of hero for doing that, then 2016s Wade is the ****ing man

Enough said

2016 Miami Heat won only 48 games. That's a barely above 500 team.

Scottie Big *** Pippen won 55 games.

55 > 48.

Pippen was 3rd in MVP voting in 1994. 3rd in MVP voting this year is Jokic.
Wade didn't even get 1 vote.

Enough said.

[red1]

1994 bulls logic applies to 2016 Miami Heat logic. Jordan wasn't around , they went to a game 7 in the semis. A healthy Wade with no lebron and no Bosh, they went to a game 7 in the semis. Same result. Difference is pippen had the 3rd opcion ( horace) and wade did it w/o Bosh.

If people here are gonna act like Scottie is some kind of hero for doing that, then 2016s Wade is the ****ing man

Enough said

I'm literally just using 3balls own logic against him. Jordan obviously would've won regardless I'm just trolling a troll.


cant win without dwade


became


jordan actually didnt win without pippen


became
















no pip no chip

[2much_knowledge]

If MJ is on LeBron's level, why does MJ only have 11 All-NBA teams and LeBron has 17 All-NBA teams?

Same reason why people wanna sell lebron was the better defender with 5 all nba defensive selections and MJ had 9 lol

[8Ball]

Same reason why people wanna sell lebron was the better defender with 5 all nba defensive selections and MJ had 9 lol

All Defense doesn't move the needle.

Patrick Beverly made all defense 1st team yet you would pick 40 players in the NBA before picking Patrick Beverly.

[2much_knowledge]

2016 Miami Heat won only 48 games. That's a barely above 500 team.

Scottie Big *** Pippen won 55 games.

55 > 48.

Pippen was 3rd in MVP voting in 1994. 3rd in MVP voting this year is Jokic.
Wade didn't even get 1 vote.

Enough said.

Now it has come down to glorifying regular season wins? Lololol. Didn't the Hawks of (holford, Josh, teague, korver) won over 60 and didn't do shit? How about those (lowry/Derozan) Raps, 60 and didn't do shit. Try harder

[8Ball]

Wade didn't make 1 All-NBA team in 2016.

Pippen made All-NBA First Team in 1994.



All-NBA 1st team in 2021: LeBron / Jokic / Giannis / Curry / Kevin Durant.

Imagine playing just as good as one of those 5. That was Pippen in 1994 :applause:

[8Ball]

Now it has come down to glorifying regular season wins? Lololol. Didn't the Hawks of (holford, Josh, teague, korver) won over 60 and didn't do shit? How about those (lowry/Derozan) Raps, 60 and didn't do shit. Try harder

Then the 72 win bulls are also shit and as good as any other team. :cheers:

Stop glorifying regular season wins?


You checkmated your own argument. QED.

You said Wade 2016 = 1994 Pippen because of playoff advancement. That means every single other great player that got knocked out 2nd round is also = 2016 Wade?

Try harder. Find more brain cells to make better arguments.

[2much_knowledge]

I'm literally just using 3balls own logic against him. Jordan obviously would've won regardless I'm just trolling a troll.


cant win without dwade


became


jordan actually didnt win without pippen


became
















no pip no chip

Ok lol. Im sorry, carry on. I just prefer real discussion over trolling

[2much_knowledge]

Then the 72 win bulls are also shit and as good as any other team. :cheers:

Stop glorifying regular season wins?


You checkmated your own argument. QED.

You said Wade 2016 = 1994 Pippen because of playoff advancement. That means every single other great player that got knocked out 2nd round is also = 2016 Wade?

Try harder. Find more brain cells to make better arguments.

The playoffs is where it matters. They won. The Warriors did not. Thats why 72 > 73

Depends. Depends if you have the fool roster. Pippen had the full healthy roster and pippen was in his peak. Wade was missing Bosh and was out prime, making it more impressive. Which means that lebrons presence was less needed to achieve the same result as pippen did in jordans absence

[8Ball]

1994 bulls logic applies to 2016 Miami Heat logic. Jordan wasn't around , they went to a game 7 in the semis. A healthy Wade with no lebron and no Bosh, they went to a game 7 in the semis. Same result. Difference is pippen had the 3rd option ( horace) and wade did it w/o Bosh.

If people here are gonna act like Scottie is some kind of hero for doing that, then 2016s Wade is the ****ing man

Enough said

Jordan couldn't even make it past the 1st round without Pippen.

Wade made it to the 2nd round.

Lol you have awful arguments.

Bring the next Jordan stan in here for me to dumpster.

[8Ball]

The playoffs is where it matters. They won. The Warriors did not. Thats why 72 > 73

1-9 Without Pippen.

Can't get past the 1st round in playoffs without Pippen.

[8Ball]

If MJ is on LeBron's level, why didn't he win more than 40 games at 25 years old?
Won 40 games in 1987 without Pippen. Won 50 games in 1988 with Scottie Pippen.

LeBron won 66 games when he was 25.


If MJ is on LeBron's level, why is Jordan 1-9 without Pippen in the playoffs?


Anyone else? 3ball took a shot and failed at the answer.

Is there no one else?

[3ball]

2016 Miami Heat won only 48 games. That's a barely above 500 team.

Scottie Big *** Pippen won 55 games.

55 > 48.

Pippen was 3rd in MVP voting in 1994. 3rd in MVP voting this year is Jokic.
Wade didn't even get 1 vote.

Enough said.


Paul George was 3rd in MVP voting

Marc Gasol won 55 games with DPOY

Both are good proxies for Pippen's value at Pippen's uber-peak.. pippen's regular prime was actually beneath these guys

Otoh, Wade had an all-time dominant FMVP in 2006, and should've had a 2nd in 2011.. That's better than Pippen ever did obviously..

Ultimately, the triangle was a 55-win offense, but only MJ or his clone (kobe) could win with it.. they literally invented the footwork needed to maximize production in the offense.. Furthermore, the triangle sets up role players on many possessions, but still requires bailouts throughout the game - so it was nothing for 50 years until it met the goat bailout artists it required to win (mj/kobe).. then it won 11 rings in 18 years

[8Ball]

Paul George was on all-NBA 1st team and all defense 1st team when he got 3rd in MVP voting.

Wade was on zero teams.

That was how dominant Pippen was compared to competition. Pippen was all-NBA 1st team 3 years in a row. How hard is it to make 1st team all-nba? Embiid or Giannis might not make it this year.

1st team all-nba = the gold standard.

[3ball]

Paul George was on all-NBA 1st team and all defense 1st team when he got 3rd in MVP voting.

Wade was on zero teams.

That was how dominant Pippen was compared to competition. Pippen was all-NBA 1st team 3 years in a row. How hard is it to make 1st team all-nba? Embiid or Giannis might not make it this year.

1st team all-nba = the gold standard.


Jordan had the only 2-star dynasty

Imagine having a 2-star dynasty that wins multiple three-peats with only Marc Gasol or Paul George as a sidekick.. actually, the true Pippen proxy is Iggy (with an inflated resume from winning with Jordan)

And regardless of his accolades, It's debatable whether Paul George is better than Kyrie, certainly in the playoffs, let alone Wade or AD

Ultimately, Pippen benefitted by getting dynasty credit without having to share shine with 3rd and 4th stars like every other dynasty.. that's why Pippen's resume is entirely inflated.. Guys like Worthy were 1st options on back-to-back champs against goat comp - so he played better than pippen ever did, but never got credit because he shared shine with other stars

[2much_knowledge]

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[2much_knowledge]

Jordan couldn't even make it past the 1st round without Pippen.

Wade made it to the 2nd round.

Lol you have awful arguments.

Bring the next Jordan stan in here for me to dumpster.

Enlight me about Pippens masterful contributions in the 88 playoffs. 10 pts, 2 ast 5 reb lol. Truly the work of a Jordan savior. And i make awful arguments.

[8Ball]

Enlight me about Pippens masterful contributions in the 88 playoffs. 10 pts, 2 ast 5 reb lol. Truly the work of a Jordan savior. And i make awful arguments.

Did Jordan win only 40 games before Pippen joined? Yes or no.

You were talking about 1994 and now you go back to 1988. Make up your mind.

Pippen made All-NBA 1st team in 1994.

All-NBA 1st team in 2021 = LeBron / Jokic / Curry / Durant / Giannis.

That was how great Pippen was.

[2much_knowledge]

To much replys to a simple question with a simple explanation. Lebron could not 3peat because three reasons

A) He ain't as good as Mj

B) He let a 3rd year player led his team over him

C) apparently one Pippen is more than Wade and Bosh combined lol

[8Ball]

If MJ is on LeBron's level, why didn't he win more than 40 games at 25 years old?
Won 40 games in 1987 without Pippen. Won 50 games in 1988 with Scottie Pippen.

LeBron won 66 games when he was 25.


If MJ is on LeBron's level, why is Jordan 1-9 without Pippen in the playoffs?


Anyone else? 3ball took a shot and failed at the answer.

Still no relevant answer to these questions.

Gonna hand the test in a few hours early and score 100% as usual in these arguments.

[Axe]

Ok lol. Im sorry, carry on. I just prefer real discussion over trolling
:roll:

[AirBonner]

3ball getting so bamboozled that he’s dusting off old alts

[TheCorporation]

If MJ is on LeBron's level, why didn't he win more than 40 games at 25 years old?

LeBron won 66 games when he was 25.


If MJ is on LeBron's level, why is Jordan 1-9 without Pippen in the playoffs?

[2much_knowledge]

Still no relevant answer to these questions.

Gonna hand the test in a few hours early and score 100% as usual in these arguments.

Still playing dumb i see. Horace grant also arrived in 1988, not just Pip. But thats irrelevant since they combined for a whopping 14 ppg, 8 rpg and 3 ast pg lol

They won 10 more games cause Michael Goat Jordan stepped his game up. Especially on D. Thats why he swept all the awards in that season. Something that has not happened since. And he was 1 - 9 because he was actually on the court playing, unlike the eternal #2 who was watching the playoffs at home lolololol

/thread. Get in my pocket