There's only 3 seasons where someone got 100 steal, 100 block, 300 assist, 300 rebs

[3ball]

Jordan has 2 of the seasons and was scoring champ both times

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8T031nqi3NA&t=01m52s

[SouBeachTalents]

Pippen did that in 1990 and Jordan couldn't even make the Finals with him

[AirBonner]

Pippen did that in 1990 and Jordan couldn't even make the Finals with him

Holy shit brutal either

[TheCorporation]

Pippen did that in 1990 and Jordan couldn't even make the Finals with him

Let's close this one up now bois :pimp:

[RRR3]

Pippen did that in 1990 and Jordan couldn't even make the Finals with him
:yaohappy:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Pippen did that in 1990 and Jordan couldn't even make the Finals with him

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/aLp0PqaElHhx7yP1eWAohXOCcRSoSpKTSHUXQGowhL7C7WFhyY aW8F3dp6UiT4c6IwxFWJhHMKFL0gNhWxUtANl6i_AE4qbUYHqH gqsHaYUf1wXvt50C37yWpUyF9294kF5P

[Spurs m8]

That's the GOAT for you

Without padding stats either

[Axe]

That's the GOAT for you

Without padding stats either
And he's a ballhog too

[light]

There’s only 1 person in the top 2 in playoff points, playoff assists, playoff steals and playoff threes.

There’s only 1 person in the top 6 in playoff points, playoff assists, playoff rebounds, playoff steals and playoff threes.

There’s only 1 person in the top 11 in playoff points, playoff assists, playoff rebounds, playoff steals, playoff blocks and playoff threes.

Playoff Points: 1st (Jordan 2nd lol)
Playoff Assists: 2nd (Jordan 11th behind Kobe Bryant lol)
Playoff Rebounds: 6th (Jordan 42nd lol)
Playoff Steals: 1st (Jordan 3rd after LeBron and Pippen lol)
Playoff Threes: 2nd (Jordan 42nd lol)
Playoff Blocks: 11th (Jordan 36th lol)

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/its-over-2.png

[Airupthere]

The only stats here that you can bronball is assists. Maybe is lebron has kuzma constantly pushing him to get back on defense, he can have consistently high steals and blocks per game.

[3ball]

Pippen did that in 1990 and Jordan couldn't even make the Finals with him


Mo Williams > 90' Pippen with better team defense



09' Mo Will...'.... 17.2 PER.. 0.165 WS/48.. 2.3 BPM.. 3.1 VORP.... #3 team defense
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. 1.8 BPM.. 3.0 VORP.. #19 team defense


So Jordan nearly beat the Bad Boy dynasty with a worse sidekick than 09' Mo and a worse team defense, while Lebron lost to Dwight despite a better sidekick than 90' Pippen and a better team defense

Btw, Lebron was Lottery with:



05' Zydrunas.... 19.5 PER.. 0.149 WS/48... -0.2 BPM.. 1.2 VORP.. #12 team defense
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48..'. 1.8 BPM.. 3.0 VORP.. #19 team defense


TLDR: Lebron is literally garbage compared to Jordan and falls far short everytime with just a little scrutiny of the facts

[SouBeachTalents]

Mo Williams > 90' Pippen with better team defense



09' Mo Will...'.... 17.2 PER.. 0.165 WS/48.. 2.3 BPM.. 3.1 VORP.... #3 team defense
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. 1.8 BPM.. 3.0 VORP.. #19 team defense


So Jordan nearly beat the Bad Boy dynasty with a worse sidekick than 09' Mo and a worse team defense, while Lebron lost to Dwight despite a better sidekick than 90' Pippen and a better team defense

Btw, Lebron was Lottery with:



05' Zydrunas.... 19.5 PER.. 0.149 WS/48... -0.2 BPM.. 1.2 VORP.. #12 team defense
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48..'. 1.8 BPM.. 3.0 VORP.. #19 team defense


TLDR: Lebron is literally garbage compared to Jordan and falls far short everytime with just a little scrutiny of the facts
You said in the OP there's only been 3 seasons in the history of the league where a player's been able to accumulate 100 blocks, 200 steals, 300 rebounds and 300 assists; 2 of those instances were achieved by Jordan. That means in the entire history of the league, there's only been one other player to EVER achieve this extraordinary, and according to you, extremely impressive feat besides the GOAT. It wasn't LeBron, Magic, Kobe or Bird, or Wade, Kyrie or AD; the only other player in the HISTORY of the league to accomplish this feat, one you were so blown away by you chose to make a thread about it to tout Jordan's ability, was Scottie fcking Pippen.

So now you're saying the only player in the history of the league to match the GOAT in this accomplishment is worse than Mo Williams & Zydrunas Ilgauskas? Sorry, not buying that shit. You really should've double checked to see who the other guy was to accomplish this feat, cause now this thread's being copied and pasted every time you bash Pippen.

[SouBeachTalents]

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/75446508_1818390488337017_5997096218280457257_o.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=3&_nc_sid=8024bb&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=jQ8LX5ZXSYMAX_gs1Dr&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=f8de0bd985ca4aaa2ecc5d86b16b76cb&oe=605594B7


1990 Pippen was the GOAT sidekick, and Jordan couldn't even make the Finals with him :(

[Overdrive]

So now you're saying the only player in the history of the league to match the GOAT in this accomplishment is worse than Mo Williams & Zydrunas Ilgauskas? Sorry, not buying that shit. You really should've double checked to see who the other guy was to accomplish this feat, cause now this thread's being copied and pasted every time you bash Pippen.

:lol killed his clownlogic.

[And1AllDay]

There’s only 1 person in the top 2 in playoff points, playoff assists, playoff steals and playoff threes.

There’s only 1 person in the top 6 in playoff points, playoff assists, playoff rebounds, playoff steals and playoff threes.

There’s only 1 person in the top 11 in playoff points, playoff assists, playoff rebounds, playoff steals, playoff blocks and playoff threes.

Playoff Points: 1st (Jordan 2nd lol)
Playoff Assists: 2nd (Jordan 11th behind Kobe Bryant lol)
Playoff Rebounds: 6th (Jordan 42nd lol)
Playoff Steals: 1st (Jordan 3rd after LeBron and Pippen lol)
Playoff Threes: 2nd (Jordan 42nd lol)
Playoff Blocks: 11th (Jordan 36th lol)

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/its-over-2.png

[Kblaze8855]

Check David Robinsons mid 90s numbers.

[ELITEpower23]

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/75446508_1818390488337017_5997096218280457257_o.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=3&_nc_sid=8024bb&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=jQ8LX5ZXSYMAX_gs1Dr&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=f8de0bd985ca4aaa2ecc5d86b16b76cb&oe=605594B7


1990 Pippen was the GOAT sidekick, and Jordan couldn't even make the Finals with him :(

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Pip-matches-MJ-1990.png

[3ball]

.


09' Mo Will...'.... 17.2 PER.. 0.165 WS/48.. 2.3 BPM.. 3.1 VORP.... #3 team defense
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. 1.8 BPM.. 3.0 VORP.. #19 team defense





You said in the OP there's only been 3 seasons in the history of the league where a player's been able to accumulate 100 blocks, 200 steals, 300 rebounds and 300 assists;


.


the feat isn't impressive

Who cares about slightly above-average stat levels in 4 categories

The only thing that makes it impressive is that Jordan did it as the scoring champ - that's the point of the OP and that's the only impressive part.

Otoh...

09' Mo Williams > 90' Pippen

and the Cavs had a better team defense..

so they had better help on both sides of the ball, yet Lebron couldn't beat Dwight, while Jordan basically beat the champs (with less help than the 09' Cavs)

[ShawkFactory]

Check David Robinsons mid 90s numbers.

Uh oh :lol

Robinson did it twice as well and led the league in scoring.

[3ball]

Uh oh :lol

Robinson did it twice as well and led the league in scoring.


And what did I tell you about ESPN???

F'ing traaaaaaash... Greene lied in the OP... that ain't my fault

ESPN can't be trusted

Never again

[Manny98]

Pippen did that in 1990 and Jordan couldn't even make the Finals with him
Mo Williams > Pippen doe

[sdot_thadon]

Pippen did that in 1990 and Jordan couldn't even make the Finals with him

Fatality.

[3ball]

Fatality.



09' Mo Will...'.... 17.2 PER.. 0.165 WS/48.. 2.3 BPM.. 3.1 VORP.... #3 team defense
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. 1.8 BPM.. 3.0 VORP.. #19 team defense


How did Lebron lose to Dwight with better offensive and defensive help than 89' and 90' Jordan, who beat the #1 SRS team in 89', and nearly beat a dynasty in 90'?

Not awaiting your response because I know there won't be any

[clipps]

And what did I tell you about ESPN???

F'ing traaaaaaash... Greene lied in the OP... that ain't my fault

ESPN can't be trusted

Never again

You just figured that out? Holy shit you're retarded.

[3ball]

You just figured that out? Holy shit you're retarded.


I should've known it was BS because I remember when Shannon Sharpe said Pippen led the Bulls in assists for every playoff run... :yaohappy:

Said it with super-conviction like he was stating a commandment

[ShawkFactory]

.


09' Mo Will...'.... 17.2 PER.. 0.165 WS/48.. 2.3 BPM.. 3.1 VORP.... #3 team defense
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. 1.8 BPM.. 3.0 VORP.. #19 team defense





the feat isn't impressive

Who cares about slightly above-average stat levels in 4 categories

The only thing that makes it impressive is that Jordan did it as the scoring champ - that's the point of the OP and that's the only impressive part.

Otoh...

09' Mo Williams > 90' Pippen

and the Cavs had a better team defense..

so they had better help on both sides of the ball, yet Lebron couldn't beat Dwight, while Jordan basically beat the champs (with less help than the 09' Cavs)

We sayin 09 MO WILLIAMS is better than 90 Pip? Lol Jesus

Playoff numbers:

Pippen: 19/7/6 on 57% TS, 18.7 PER, .149 ws/48, 5.2 BPM and 1.3 VORP

Mo: 16/4/3 on 53% TS, 13.0 PER, .103 ws/48, 0.4 BPM and 0.3 VORP

Not even close pal. One hot shooting regular season doesn’t mean much in the conference finals

[Axe]

And what did I tell you about ESPN???

F'ing traaaaaaash... Greene lied in the OP... that ain't my fault

ESPN can't be trusted

Never again
Can't be trusted but didn't they make the last dance specifically for you?

[Doranku]

Pippen did that in 1990 and Jordan couldn't even make the Finals with him

:roll:

[3ball]

Some misperceptions itt

[3ball]

:roll:

:facepalm:

[3ball]

We sayin 09 MO WILLIAMS is better than 90 Pip? Lol Jesus

Playoff numbers:

Pippen: 19/7/6 on 57% TS, 18.7 PER, .149 ws/48, 5.2 BPM and 1.3 VORP

Mo: 16/4/3 on 53% TS, 13.0 PER, .103 ws/48, 0.4 BPM and 0.3 VORP

Not even close pal. One hot shooting regular season doesn’t mean much in the conference finals


09' Cavs'..... #3 defense... 18 on 38% from Mo... lost to #4 SRS Magic (2 all-stars)
89' Bulls... #11 defense... 15 on 40% from Pip... defeat #1 SRS Cavs' (3 all-stars)
90' Bulls... #19 defense... 16 on 42% from Pip... 7 games w/ dynasty Pistons


^^^ the goat always did more with less on both sides of the ball

:confusedshrug:

#factsgonnafacts..

[ShawkFactory]

09' Cavs'..... #3 defense... 18 on 38% from Mo... lost to #4 SRS Magic (2 all-stars)
89' Bulls... #11 defense... 15 on 40% from Pip... defeat #1 SRS Cavs' (3 all-stars)
90' Bulls... #19 defense... 16 on 42% from Pip... 7 games w/ dynasty Pistons


^^^ the goat always did more with less on both sides of the ball

:confusedshrug:

#factsgonnafacts..

“09 Mo Williams > 90 Pippen” - 3ball before the deflecting began

[scuzzy]

damn, 3ball got cooked ITT

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

09' Cavs'..... #3 defense... 18 on 38% from Mo... lost to #4 SRS Magic (2 all-stars)
89' Bulls... #11 defense... 15 on 40% from Pip... defeat #1 SRS Cavs' (3 all-stars)
90' Bulls... #19 defense... 16 on 42% from Pip... 7 games w/ dynasty Pistons


^^^ the goat always did more with less on both sides of the ball

:confusedshrug:

#factsgonnafacts..

Why did Playoff Pippen have better numbers than Mo? :confusedshrug: 5.2 BPM to 0.4 is like star vs bench warmer.

Answer the question and don't run from your OP.

[AirBonner]

3ball bamboozled again lolol

[Axe]

No pip, no chip still stands tho.

[And1AllDay]

I should've known it was BS because I remember when Shannon Sharpe said Pippen led the Bulls in assists for every playoff run... :yaohappy:

Said it with super-conviction like he was stating a commandment

it was split

3 for pip
3 for mike

pip led the offence 3x
mike led the offence 3x

bran led his offence 4x

next

[AlternativeAcc.]

I should've known it was BS because I remember when Shannon Sharpe said Pippen led the Bulls in assists for every playoff run... :yaohappy:

Said it with super-conviction like he was stating a commandment

You mean the fox sports 1 employee? :roll:

[Shooter]

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Pip-matches-MJ-1990.png

:lol Gottem

[sdot_thadon]

09' Mo Will...'.... 17.2 PER.. 0.165 WS/48.. 2.3 BPM.. 3.1 VORP.... #3 team defense
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. 1.8 BPM.. 3.0 VORP.. #19 team defense


How did Lebron lose to Dwight with better offensive and defensive help than 89' and 90' Jordan, who beat the #1 SRS team in 89', and nearly beat a dynasty in 90'?

Not awaiting your response because I know there won't be any

The fact that you even remotely think this is a fair response is why you won't ever be taken seriously here. Still pretty amazing that a player as trash as Pippen was able to replicate the amazing feat from your op. Either Mj aint shit, or maybe just maybe that pippen guy was a little better than you say....

[3ball]

The fact that you even remotely think this is a fair response is why you won't ever be taken seriously here. Still pretty amazing that a player as trash as Pippen was able to replicate the amazing feat from your op. Either Mj aint shit, or maybe just maybe that pippen guy was a little better than you say....


It isn't opinion - it's the historical record

09' Mo was much better than 90' pippen offensively, and the Cavs had the much better defense.

Lebron simply lost to a shit team with better help on both sides of the ball, while MJ beat or nearly beat better teams than lebron ever beat in the East (89' Cavs or 89/90' Pistons)

So MJ did more with less on both sides of the ball in 89' and 90' than any version of lebron.... MJ is goat and lebron is a fraud with a completely manufactured resume.. the definition of manufactured resume

[TheCorporation]

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Pip-matches-MJ-1990.png

Bloodbath

Thread over. Always post this image if 3ball bashes Pippen.

[3ball]

Always post this image if 3ball bashes Pippen.





You'll be posting false stats because ESPN was wrong about the stat - other guys have done it

Nor is the feat impressive - averaging 4 assists, 4 rebounds, 1 steal and and 1 block is only impressive if you do it as scoring champ






Thread over.





Mo was much better offensively than Pippen and his team had much better team defense:



09' Mo Will...'.... 17.2 PER.. 0.165 WS/48.. 2.3 BPM.. 3.1 VORP.... #3 team defense
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. 1.8 BPM.. 3.0 VORP.. #19 team defense
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. 1.8 BPM.. 3.0 VORP.. #19 team defense



So Jordan beat better teams than lebron ever beat in the East with less help on both sides of the ball



09' Cavs'..... #3 defense... 18 on 38% from Mo... lost to #4 SRS Magic (2 all-stars)
89' Bulls... #11 defense... 15 on 40% from Pip... defeat #1 SRS Cavs' (3 all-stars)
90' Bulls... #19 defense... 16 on 42% from Pip... 7 games w/ dynasty Pistons


^^^ the goat always did more with less on both sides of the ball

:confusedshrug:

#factsgonnafacts.

[ShawkFactory]

It isn't opinion - it's the historical record

09' Mo was much better than 90' pippen offensively, and the Cavs had the much better defense.

Lebron simply lost to a shit team with better help on both sides of the ball, while MJ beat or nearly beat better teams than lebron ever beat in the East (89' Cavs or 89/90' Pistons)

So MJ did more with less on both sides of the ball in 89' and 90' than any version of lebron.... MJ is goat and lebron is a fraud with a completely manufactured resume.. the definition of manufactured resume
This dude grasping at straws :lol

Who would you rather have on your team:

Player A: shoots well during the regular season, particularly against bad teams (check his numbers against elite teams in the regular season), but plays poorly when the tension ramps up against good teams i.e the playoffs

Player B: starts the regular season poorly but comes around and then plays very well in the playoffs, particularly on defense.

Another factor: player A has a 0.3 BPM when it matters and player B ramps it up to 5.3. Which, as an objective observer you can tell that one is obviously far superior.

Who you takin big guy?

[3ball]

This dude grasping at straws :lol

Who would you rather have on your team:

Player A: shoots well during the regular season, particularly against bad teams (check his numbers against elite teams in the regular season), but plays poorly when the tension ramps up against good teams i.e the playoffs

Player B: starts the regular season poorly but comes around and then plays very well in the playoffs, particularly on defense.

Another factor: player A has a 0.3 BPM when it matters and player B ramps it up to 5.3. Which, as an objective observer you can tell that one is obviously far superior.

Who you takin big guy?


You forget that the Bulls were contenders in 89'

and 89' Pippen played worse than Mo ever did - so did 90' Pippen in the ECF.

Regardless, I'm taking the better offensive player (Mo) and the better team defense (Cavs were #3 defense... Bulls were #19)

That's why the Cavs were the league favorite - they had a top defense and offense

They had far superior offensive and defensive help, yet lebron lost to a 1-star underdog team, while Jordan beat better teams than lebron ever beat in the East with less help on both sides of the ball (89' Cavs... 90' Pistons)

[TheCorporation]

You'll be posting false stats because ESPN was wrong about the stat - other guys have done it



Who else did it besides MJ and Pippen? I'm still waiting on you to produce an answer but you keep running away shook.

[3ball]

Who else did it besides MJ and Pippen? I'm still waiting on you to produce an answer but you keep running away shook.


4 RPG.. 4 APG.. 1 SPG.. 1 BPG


^^^ that's only impressive if it's done as scoring champ

Otherwise, tons of guys have better stats than that

Again, ESPN is dumb for bringing it up and I'm a fool for falling for their false propoganda (again... :facepalm:)

[TheCorporation]

4 RPG.. 4 APG.. 1 SPG.. 1 BPG


^^^ that's only impressive if it's done as scoring champ

Otherwise, tons of guys have better stats than that

Again, ESPN is dumb for bringing it up and I'm a fool for falling for their false propoganda (again... :facepalm:)

Who else did it besides MJ and Pippen? I'm still waiting on you to produce an answer but you keep running away shook.

Here's the image refresher, in case your amnesia conveniently kicked in again:

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Pip-matches-MJ-1990.png

[SouBeachTalents]

4 rpg.. 4 apg.. 1 spg.. 1 bpg


^^^ that's only impressive if it's not done by pippen
ftfy

[ShawkFactory]

You forget that the Bulls were contenders in 89'

and 89' Pippen played worse than Mo ever did - so did 90' Pippen in the ECF.

Regardless, I'm taking the better offensive player (Mo) and the better team defense (Cavs were #3 defense... Bulls were #19)

That's why the Cavs were the league favorite - they had a top defense and offense

They had far superior offensive and defensive help, yet lebron lost to a 1-star underdog team, while Jordan beat better teams than lebron ever beat in the East with less help on both sides of the ball (89' Cavs... 90' Pistons)
We’re not talking about 89. I know you like to deflect and bring up irrelevant points but try to control yourself.

One guy was superior when it mattered (including the ECF, and including offensively) And you’re telling me you’d take the inferior one. Says a lot.

[3ball]

We’re not talking about 89. I know you like to deflect and bring up irrelevant points but try to control yourself.

One guy was superior when it mattered (including the ECF, and including offensively) And you’re telling me you’d take the inferior one. Says a lot.


The Bulls were a contender in 89' and beat a better team than lebron ever beat in the East (the #1 SRS Cavs with 3 perennial all-stars)

AND they nearly beat the champion Pistons that year too

All this with less help on both sides of the ball than 09' Lebron!!!... :lebronamazed:

So the 89' Bulls are the most relevant team because it was Jordan's biggest carry-job.

And again - in 1990, Pippen played worse than 09' Mo in the ECF and was worse ALL YEAR, while the Bulls had a worse defense.. Jordan had much less help on both sides of the ball, yet he nearly beat the champs while lebron lost to a 1-star underdog team

[ShawkFactory]

The Bulls were a contender in 89' and beat a better team than lebron ever beat in the East (the #1 SRS Cavs with 3 perennial all-stars)

AND they nearly beat the champion Pistons that year too

All this with less help on both sides of the ball than 09' Lebron!!!.

So the 89' Bulls are the most relevant team because it was Jordan's biggest carry-job.

And again - in 1990, Pippen played worse in the ECF and was worse ALL YEAR than 09' Mo, while the Bulls had a worse defense.. Jordan had much less help on both sides of the ball
And now we’re saying the Bulls almost beat the Pistons in 89?? Christ dude. What the fvck are you and why do you need it this bad

[3ball]

And now we’re saying the Bulls almost beat the Pistons in 89?? Christ dude. What the fvck are you and why do you need it this bad



They were up 2-1 and were closer to beating the champs then lebron was to beating a 1-star underdog team (Dwight)

despite much less help on both sides of the ball !!!

Regardless, the point remains that 90' Pippen was worse all year than 09' Mo including the ECF, yet the bulls nearly beat the champs despite having less help on both sides of the ball than 09' lebron

[SouBeachTalents]

They were up 2-1 and were closer to beating the champs then lebron was to beating a 1-star underdog team (Dwight)

despite much less help on both sides of the ball !!!

Regardless, the point remains that 90' Pippen was worse all year than 09' Mo including the ECF, yet the bulls nearly beat the champs despite having less help on both sides of the ball than 09' lebron
The title of your OP proves quite convincingly which player was better

[ShawkFactory]

They were up 2-1 and were closer to beating the champs then lebron was to beating a 1-star underdog team (Dwight)

despite much less help on both sides of the ball !!!

Regardless, the point remains that 90' Pippen was worse all year than 09' Mo including the ECF, yet the bulls nearly beat the champs despite having less help on both sides of the ball than 09' lebron

5.3 BPM > 0.3

Not close. I wonder if you actually think you’re convincing anyone that Mo Williams is better than Pippen. I wonder if you actually believe it, which would be weirder. The mind boggles sometimes

[3ball]

5.3 BPM > 0.3

Not close. I wonder if you actually think you’re convincing anyone that Mo Williams is better than Pippen. I wonder if you actually believe it, which would be weirder. The mind boggles sometimes


BPM is mostly defensive stats like steals and blocks - this is irrelevant because the Cavs had the #3 defense and the Bulls #19

So lebron had much better defensive help, which means the offensive comparison of Mo/Pippen is the only relevant comparison

Again, Jordan nearly beat the champs with less help on both sides of the ball than 09' Lebron, who lost to a 1-star underdog.

[ShawkFactory]

BPM is mostly defensive stats like steals and blocks - this is irrelevant because the Cavs had the #3 defense and the Bulls #19

So lebron had much better defensive help, which means only the offensive comparison of Mo/Pippen is valid

Again, Jordan nearly beat the champs with less help on both sides of the ball than 09' Lebron, who lost to a 1-star underdog.
Lol now BPM doesn’t matter. “BPM and every other measure clearly show that Scottie was a superior player but it doesn’t matter because the Cavs defense was better as a whole. Therefore Mo > Scottie. Even though obviously Scottie was better. But Mo > Scottie”.

Bout sums it up.

[3ball]

Lol now BPM doesn’t matter. “BPM and every other measure clearly show that Scottie was a superior player but it doesn’t matter because the Cavs defense was better as a whole. Therefore Mo > Scottie. Even though obviously Scottie was better. But Mo > Scottie”.

Bout sums it up.


BPM has always been knocked by everyone including the creators, which say it's a useless stat

The creators of the stat say this

It's a counter for blocks and steals, which is why Stockton, Kyrie and others have higher career BPM than Pippen

Ultimately, 09' Mo had higher BPM, PER, VORP and WS/48 than 89' and 90' Pippen

So lebron had better offensive help, and far better team defense, yet he lost to a 1-star underdog, while mj nearly beat the champs

[ShawkFactory]

BPM has always been knocked by everyone including the creators, which say it's a useless stat

The creators of the stat say this

It's a counter for blocks and steals, which is why Stockton, Kyrie and others have higher career BPM than Pippen

You use it when it suits you.

But VORP also says Scottie was far superior. As do PER and ws/48.

So yea

[3ball]

You use it when it suits you.

But VORP also says Scottie was far superior. As do PER and ws/48.

So yea


09' Mo had higher BPM, PER, VORP and WS/48 than 89' and 90' Pippen

So lebron had better offensive help and better team defense, yet he lost to a 1-star underdog, while mj nearly beat the champs

[ShawkFactory]

09' Mo had higher BPM, PER, VORP and WS/48 than 89' and 90' Pippen

So lebron had better offensive help and better team defense, yet he lost to a 1-star underdog, while mj nearly beat the champs
In the playoffs Pippen dominated mo in every category. So you’d prefer the regular season guy, is what you’re saying

(Yes I know that you don’t actually believe that mo Williams was a better basketball player than Scottie Pippen)

[3ball]

In the playoffs Pippen dominated mo in every category. So you’d prefer the regular season guy, is what you’re saying

(Yes I know that you don’t actually believe that mo Williams was a better basketball player than Scottie Pippen)


66 wins in a weak conference isn't impressive considering he had the #3 defense and Mo was much better than 89' or 90' Pippen across the board (BPM, PER, VORP, WS/48, scoring, efficiency).. So he had much better help on both sides of the ball than 89' or 90' Jordan.

But you want to talk Playoffs, so let's do it - the 1-seeded Cavs faced bad opponents in the early rounds, while the 89' and 90' Bulls had tougher comp because they were lower seeds (due to lesser help on both sides of the ball)

But in the ECF, Mo and Pippen played the same - both were aids, except pippen basically missed the last 2 games of both the 89' ECF and the last game of the 90' ECF, thus causing both losses

Again, lebron had better offensive help and better team defense, yet he lost to a 1-star underdog, while mj nearly beat the champs

[ShawkFactory]

the 1-seeded Cavs faced bad opponents in the early rounds
Which makes Pippens clear superiority as a basketball player in the playoffs even more impressive, no?

[3ball]

Which makes Pippens clear superiority as a basketball player in the playoffs even more impressive, no?


Pippen never dominated and was worse than 09' Mo all year

You guys are going around in circles after getting beaten

[ShawkFactory]

You guys are going around in circles after getting beaten

^

When an unhinged chick goes “you’re like literally being crazy right now”

[3ball]

^

When an unhinged chick goes “you’re like literally being crazy right now”


This is what you wanted.. to avoid the substance

Ultimately, 09' Lebron had a much better team defense than 89' or 90' Jordan, while Mo was much better than 89' and 90' Pippen across the board (BPM, PER, VORP, WS/48, scoring, efficiency)

So lebron had better offensive help and better team defense, yet he lost to a 1-star underdog, while mj nearly beat the champs

Specifically..... in the ECF, Mo and Pippen played the same - both were aids, except pippen missed the last 2 games of the 89' ECF and the last game of the 90' ECF, thus causing both losses

[AirBonner]

3ball is a tard

[ShawkFactory]

This is what you wanted.. to avoid the substance

Ultimately, 09' Lebron had a much better team defense than 89' or 90' Jordan, while Mo was much better than 89' and 90' Pippen across the board (BPM, PER, VORP, WS/48, scoring, efficiency)

So lebron had better offensive help and better team defense, yet he lost to a 1-star underdog, while mj nearly beat the champs

Specifically..... in the ECF, Mo and Pippen played the same - both were aids, except pippen missed the last 2 games of the 89' ECF and the last game of the 90' ECF, thus causing both losses
The substance has already been discussed :lol

In this thread and in countless others you’ve made about Mo Williams and Scottie Pippen.

Kinda like when you’ve already rationally explained your point to a crazy girl many times but she still calls you crazy and repeats her original dumb thought.

[3ball]

The substance has already been discussed :lol

In this thread and in countless others you’ve made about Mo Williams and Scottie Pippen.

Kinda like when you’ve already rationally explained your point to a crazy girl many times but she still calls you crazy and repeats her original dumb thought.


Ultimately, 09' Lebron had a much better team defense than 89' or 90' Jordan, while Mo was much better than 89' and 90' Pippen across the board (BPM, PER, VORP, WS/48, scoring, efficiency)

So lebron had better offensive help and better team defense, yet he lost to a 1-star underdog, while mj nearly beat the champs

Specifically..... in the ECF, Mo and Pippen played the same - both were aids, except pippen missed the last 2 games of the 89' ECF and the last game of the 90' ECF, thus causing both losses

[3ball]

The facts are on Jordan's side, so I can just stick to pure substance, without the need to divert the discussion to other things

Otoh, you guys are stuck trying to split hairs, divert and play defense, aka get dominated.. fitting for people arguing against the goat

Lol..

[Hey Yo]

You forget that the Bulls were contenders in 89'

and 89' Pippen played worse than Mo ever did - so did 90' Pippen in the ECF.

Regardless, I'm taking the better offensive player (Mo) and the better team defense (Cavs were #3 defense... Bulls were #19)

That's why the Cavs were the league favorite - they had a top defense and offense

They had far superior offensive and defensive help, yet lebron lost to a 1-star underdog team, while Jordan beat better teams than lebron ever beat in the East with less help on both sides of the ball (89' Cavs... 90' Pistons)
Pippen didn't quit on his team in 1989 playoffs, but MJ did.

Why is that?

[ShawkFactory]

The facts are on Jordan's side

If that’s the case the why resort to spending the better part of a decade posting horrible arguments to support it?

Like you can just let a fact be a fact.

(A couple hours ago)

My wife: who ya texting
Me: I’m not texting I’m responding to some dude online who’s trying to say that some random dude is better than Scottie Pippen
Wife: why does Michael Jordan of all people need his dick sucked?
Me: good question

True story :lol

[3ball]

Pippen didn't quit on his team in 1989 playoffs, but MJ did.

Why is that?

Pippen literally missed the last 2 games of the 89' ECF, which stopped the greatest upset in NBA history dead in its tracks

Then he missed Game 7 in 1990, preventing an easy 4-peat (90-93')... And it would've been a 5-peat if Pippen didn't miss games and was competent in 89'

Compare to 87' or 88' Worthy, who was #1 option on back-to-back champs - Jordan 7-peats with Worthy from 85-91'.. pippen was simply the low-producing bum that won the "3-peat with MJ" lottery

[Hey Yo]

Pippen literally missed the last 2 games of the 89' ECF, which stopped the greatest upset in NBA history dead in its tracks

Then he missed Game 7 in 1990, preventing an easy 4-peat (90-93')... And it would've been a 5-peat if Pippen didn't miss games and was competent in 89'

Compare to 87' or 88' Worthy, who was #1 option on back-to-back champs - Jordan 7-peats with Worthy from 85-91'.. pippen was simply the low-producing bum that won the "3-peat with MJ" lottery
Game 5, Pippen played 39mins and the Bulls were down by 1 heading into the 4th quarter. MJ took 1 FGA in his last 12mins of play. His quittin was the reason why they lost that game.

Game 6 he was injured by Laimbeer 1min. into the game. Bulls lose by a bigger margin in game 6 w/o Pippen than the margin in game 5 when MJ quit.

[3ball]

Game 5, Pippen played 39mins and the Bulls were down by 1 heading into the 4th quarter. MJ took 1 FGA in his last 12mins of play. His quittin was the reason why they lost that game.

Game 6 he was injured by Laimbeer 1min. into the game. Bulls lose by a bigger margin in game 6 w/o Pippen than the margin in game 5 when MJ quit.


Pippen averaged 9.7 on 40% in the 89' ECF, yet Jordan had a chance to win the series

Worthy, Dominique, Dumars, McHale - probably any good player - would've 7-peated with MJ from 85-91'

Again, Worthy was 1st option on a back-to-back champion - so Pippen played worse than other 2nd options, but he also played on the only 2-star dynasty - so he got dynasty credit without having to share shine with 3rd and 4th stars, which greatly inflated his accolades compared to super-team guys like Worthy, Wade or McHale.

ultimately, he's the only guy whose statistical rank (about 120th) is far lower than his perceived rank - the winning spotlight and 2-star dynasty greatly inflated his trash stats/performance.

[Hey Yo]

Pippen literally missed the last 2 games of the 89' ECF,

Game 5, Pippen played 39mins and the Bulls were down by 1 heading into the 4th quarter. MJ took 1 FGA in his last 12mins of play. His quittin was the reason why they lost that game.

Game 6 he was injured by Laimbeer 1min. into the game. Bulls lose by a bigger margin in game 6 w/o Pippen than the margin in game 5 when MJ quit.

[3ball]

Pippen literally missed the last 2 games of the 89' ECF,

Game 5, Pippen played 39mins and the Bulls were down by 1 heading into the 4th quarter. MJ took 1 FGA in his last 12mins of play. His quittin was the reason why they lost that game.

Game 6 he was injured by Laimbeer 1min. into the game. Bulls lose by a bigger margin in game 6 w/o Pippen than the margin in game 5 when MJ quit.


I mistyped literally and meant figuratively

Pippen had 7 points, 2 assists, 2 turnovers in the last 2 games COMBINED in 89'

And 2 points with 1-10 in Game 7 of 1990

That's why the Bulls lost both of those ECF

Compare to Worthy, who was #1 option on back-to-back champs and played better than pippen ever did - he 7-peats with Mike from 85-91'.. Pippen was just the lucky, low-producing bum that won the "3-peat with MJ" lottery

[Hey Yo]

I mistyped literally and meant figuratively

Pippen had 7 points, 2 assists, 2 turnovers in the last 2 games COMBINED in 89'

And 2 points with 1-10 in Game 7 of 1990
He played 1 minute in game 6 and the Bulls lost by a greater margin than they did w/o MJ in game 5.

[3ball]

He played 1 minute in game 6 and the Bulls lost by a greater margin than they did w/o MJ in game 5.


It's splitting hairs - 89' Pippen was worse in the ECF than any sidekick on the contenders Lebron had

And he was worse overall than any sidekick Lebron ever had - worse scoring, efficiency, PER, BPM, WS/48 and VORP

Now compare to Worthy, who was #1 option on back-to-back champs and played better than pippen ever did - he 7-peats with Mike from 85-91'.. Pippen was just the lucky, low-producing bum that won the "3-peat with MJ" lottery and he cost Jordan titles from 88-90', and 95' (19 on 40% in ECSF)

[HighFlyer23]

Pippen did that in 1990 and Jordan couldn't even make the Finals with him

Can you really be the GOAT if you can't win without another player?

Basketball has the weakest GOAT of all sports

[Shooter]

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Pip-matches-MJ-1990.png

Anyone?

[3ball]

Okay folks..

I concede that I was a fool for making a thread about an ESPN-based stat, that unknowingly had a pippen-boost imbedded in it.... a stat that was infact incorrect by excluding other players that also accomplished the "feat" of 4 rebounds and 4 assists per game (with a steal and a block).

Lesson learned:

Never, under any circumstances, trust ESPN, their stats or opinions. They will always let you down.

For example, you can't trust their data that says nearly half (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?479300-ESPN-Nearly-half-of-Giannis-drives-had-no-help-defender-due-to-spacing) of an MVP's drives (Giannis' drives) didn't have a help defender due to today's spaced out, beginner format. Surely the number is much higher.

Anywho, I'm willing to give up on the thread if you are

[Axe]

Can you really be the GOAT if you can't win without another player?

Basketball has the weakest GOAT of all sports
Lol get a grip. You don't have to be so emotional and obsessed about a stupid player.

[HighFlyer23]

Lol get a grip. You don't have to be so emotional and obsessed about a stupid player.

Wtf

Lol

I'm just pointing out facts ... It means nothing to me ... Jordan fans continue to run from the truth ... I'm not the one with over 10k posts in about a year ... I don't even give a **** about this shit just here to piss on Jordan fans

[Axe]

Wtf

Lol

I'm just pointing out facts ... It means nothing to me ... Jordan fans continue to run from the truth ... I'm not the one with over 10k posts in about a year ... I don't even give a **** about this shit just here to piss on Jordan fans
You can't do anything about them being delusional

[HighFlyer23]

You can't do anything about them being delusional

True

They run like their goat, Jordan, from legitimate criticism

[Shooter]

Okay folks..

I concede that I was a fool for making a thread about an ESPN-based stat, that unknowingly had a pippen-boost imbedded in it.... a stat that was infact incorrect by excluding other players that also accomplished the "feat" of 4 rebounds and 4 assists per game (with a steal and a block).

Lesson learned:

Never, under any circumstances, trust ESPN, their stats or opinions. They will always let you down.

For example, you can't trust their data that says nearly half (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?479300-ESPN-Nearly-half-of-Giannis-drives-had-no-help-defender-due-to-spacing) of an MVP's drives (Giannis' drives) didn't have a help defender due to today's spaced out, beginner format. Surely the number is much higher.

Anywho, I'm willing to give up on the thread if you are

Very interesting that you think 200 steals = 1 spg?

Do you think the NBA players 200 games per season? Or 82? Because you saying "200 steals = 1 spg means you are insinuating that the NBA plays 200 games per season :lol They don't. They play 82.

I've never met anyone as dumb as you when it comes to someone who thinks they know anything. Young, rookie NBA fans are better than you.

[HighFlyer23]

Very interesting that you think 200 steals = 1 spg?

Do you think the NBA players 200 games per season? Or 82? Because you saying "200 steals = 1 spg means you are insinuating that the NBA plays 200 games per season :lol They don't. They play 82.

I've never met anyone as dumb as you when it comes to someone who thinks they know anything. Young, rookie NBA fans are better than you.

When you try too hard and it backfires ... That's this 3ball dude ...

[Shooter]

When you try too hard and it backfires ... That's this 3ball dude ...

I feel bad bullying him but then again, he asks for it sometimes :confusedshrug: Not sure what to do sometimes :lol

[HighFlyer23]

I feel bad bullying him but then again, he asks for it sometimes :confusedshrug: Not sure what to do sometimes :lol

The ***** has 30k+ posts about the same shit ... He should just khs if he isn't on Jordans payroll or some how profiting monetarily from this pathetic insanity

[Manny98]

And Pippen had one of them

GOAT sidekick

[HighFlyer23]

And Pippen had one of them

GOAT sidekick

He's a better goat sidekick than Jordan is the overall goat player

[Axe]

True

They run like their goat, Jordan, from legitimate criticism
Another thing is for sure.

You do hate baldan a lot too. ;)

[TheGoatest]

In the playoffs Pippen dominated mo in every category. So you’d prefer the regular season guy, is what you’re saying

(Yes I know that you don’t actually believe that mo Williams was a better basketball player than Scottie Pippen)

LMAO @ Mo Williams Vs Scottie Pippen being mentioned. What we need to discuss is Chris Bosh vs Horace Grant:

Horace Grant in 1993 playoffs:

PER: 17.0
ORTG: 127
DRTG: 105
OBPM: 2.0
DBPM: 1.3
BPM: 3.3
OWS: 1.6
DWS: 0.9
WS: 2.4
WS/48: .180
VORP: 0.9

Chris Bosh in the 2013 playoffs:

PER: 16.8
ORTG: 108
DRTG: 100
OBPM: 1.1
DBPM: 0.8
BPM: 1.9
OWS: 1.0
DWS: 1.2
WS: 2.2
WS/48: .140
VORP: 0.7

[warriorfan]

LMAO @ Mo Williams Vs Scottie Pippen being mentioned. What we need to discuss is Chris Bosh vs Horace Grant:

Horace Grant in 1993 playoffs:

PER: 17.0
ORTG: 127
DRTG: 105
OBPM: 2.0
DBPM: 1.3
BPM: 3.3
OWS: 1.6
DWS: 0.9
WS: 2.4
WS/48: .180
VORP: 0.9

Chris Bosh in the 2013 playoffs:

PER: 16.8
ORTG: 108
DRTG: 100
OBPM: 1.1
DBPM: 0.8
BPM: 1.9
OWS: 1.0
DWS: 1.2
WS: 2.2
WS/48: .140
VORP: 0.7

It’s amazing what running a real offense will do for the production of the players.....

[ShawkFactory]

Barkley did this in 86 and 87

TMac did it in 2001 while scoring 27 a game

[BigShotBob]

https://i.ibb.co/ssH4m55/lakersadbran.png

[And1AllDay]

Who else did it besides MJ and Pippen? I'm still waiting on you to produce an answer but you keep running away shook.

Here's the image refresher, in case your amnesia conveniently kicked in again:

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/Pip-matches-MJ-1990.png

brutal